trump's mayor loss at the supreme court over his taxes. we'll have more on this story as it develops. we'll see you back here, hopefully if you join us tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. eastern. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. ♪ in his all-out assault on the integrity of our elections, president trump has made it clear who he thinks should be allowed to cast ballots in the mail in the middle of a pandemic. spoiler alert, it's people who trump thinks will help him win. today, the administration filed a lawsuit in nevada. that comes a day after he encouraged voters in florida to vote by mail saying it's safe and secure. you be apparently and nonsensically, only in florida.

in an interview this morning, trump tied himself in knots trying to defend the hypocrisy. >> president trump argued that it could be years until we know the results of the election because of the delay. ultimately meaning president pelosi. of course, there is the obvious fact that nevada's governor is a democrat and florida's governor, ron desantis, is a republican. but president trump's attitude towards mail-in voting is also

elitist, evidenced by his latest kenard that absentee voting is just fine, but universal vote by mail not so much. perhaps because president trump votes by mail in florida, since he switched his residence to florida, as he got mad at new york. he said it's okay for him, because he lives at the white house. it's a literal way of saying it's fine for our people to vote by mail, but not those people. it's perfectly understandable that our people can't make it to their vacation homes in swing states to vote. but those people, those people need to stand in line. for hours. in a pandemic. although today, he said the quiet part out loud again.

joining me now is colorado secretary of state jenna griswold. her state is one of five in the country that conducts all elections almost entirely by mail. and jason johnson from morgan state university. thank you for being here. i want to go to you first, ms. griswold. talk about the colorado system of voting. when i was growing up in colorado, we voted by standing in line, et cetera. how long has colorado been voting by mail and how much horrific fraud has there been? >> well, joy, i'm so glad to tell you there is not horrific fraud. so that's the first good piece of advice, or the good news out of colorado. and we've been voting by mail since 2013. the legislature passed by vote my mail, implemented by my pr predecessor republican wayne williams. you register to vote, you're sent a ballot, and then you

return it, either through the mail at one of the many drop boxes, or even go vote in person. >> and so here is a question. the drop box thing is another thing president trump is suing another state over. the drop boxes, how are they secured, how do you know that only each person has returned only one ballot into the drop box? let's just humor president trump, how do you know only one perp has returned a ballot to the drop box? >> well, we have a statewide voter registration system, where we are checking when people vote. so we know exactly when coloradoans vote. we also have cameras filming drop boxes and chain of custody of all ballots. and we have signature verification performed by bipartisan teams of election judges. we just had our state primary. we set a turnout record, even during the pandemic. >> yeah.

and so jason, look, colorado is not the only state that votes by mail. hawaii managed to do it for many, many years. oregon has managed to do it.man elect republicans every election. all these states do it, and just having worked on election campaigns in florida, i can tell you that people who mostly vote by mail, at least in my experience, is republicans. so it seems to me a little off key for president trump to decide that this is the hill he wants to die on. that voting by mail is bad, mostly republicans and wealthy people and people with two and three homes. that's who votes by mail, and older people, seniors. that's his people. >> joy, you would almost think that the president doesn't know what he's talking about. he's just a pathological liar, he wants to create chaos of people he doesn't want to vote. you talk to any campaign person

in ohio, pennsylvania, swing states, democrats fear the mail-in vote because they know that's coming from overseas and comes from republican areas. as we have seen reports in politico and other places, as the president spouts this conspiracy theory that mail-in voting will be nothing but terrible democratic people, it's discouraging republican voters from wanting to go out and vote. so this is not just a lie and voter suppression, but it's suppressing the people he wants to turn out. it's sheer lunacy on every level. >> i can recollection where is the early vote, which is where black people disproportionately vote, standing in line for early vote, that number looked really good on election night. you know, this happened in' '04. but once the absentee voters started pouring in, those that sometimes push the elections toward republican.

so it is strange for president trump to choose this hill. this is president trump talking about president obama's eulogy for john lewis, whose life work was a right to vote. >> i -- i -- i just wonld erm wh -- wonder what you think he thinks our country is all about. because i thought voting and the right to vote is baked into what our country is about, and the idea that president obama would ever be angry is funny. he's not -- >> key and peele had to do a switch called "obama's anger

translator." i would go further. i don't know if you quiz president trump 23 if he remembd who the funeral was for. so this is a typical projection of this president. he has not been invited to any state funerals, to any passing of george bush, john mccain. he's been blocked out of every single club of every statesman that this country has had. that's a projection of how he feels because he can't get into the club. >> ms. griswold, i want to come back to you on the way this election looks going forward. do you anticipate it being more chaotic than usual? we know the mail is being slowed down, that there's tinkering going on with things like that, that there's gamesmanship with republicans. do you expect this election in colorado to be the norm, what you're used to in a very -- in

an election where a lot of people want to turn out, and if you think it will be chaotic, what can you do about it? >> well, i expect us to continue to have fantastic elections in colorado, because we have a model that works. it includes in-pe person voting online voter registration, and mailing a bat l ing ing a ballo. but i do have concerns with the president trying to undermine our democracy. that should be concerning to everyone. the fact that he said it was okay for a republican governor to have vote by mail systems and not everyone else shows that he's a partisan, trying to use his rhetoric to win his seat. but there is one thing that i think we should take his advice on, which is a rare feature from the -- [ technical difficulties ] -- should be expanding vote by mail as quickly as possible.

that's how we'll have a great election during a pandemic. >> and very quickly, you said people can register online, everyone gets mailed a ballot. it's universal. what's the turn-out rate like in colorado, in general? >> well, we consistently lead the nation in turnout. and a large part of that is because of vote by mail. so since its adoption, our turnout rates increased by 9%, including by 13% for black voters, 10% for latino voters, 16% for young voters. so it's one of the reasons that we have the most accessible elections in the nation. and by the way, elections are not just facing a crisis of the pandemic, we are also pacing the crisis of foreign interference. and frankly, russia and other countries cannot hack a paper ballot that's why vote by mail is such a good thing for this country to expand immediately. >> right. >> yeah, absolutely. and please protect your voter

rolls, too. jason, you had now in iowa of all places, the governor of iowa kim reynolds has signed an order that would restore the right to vote for former felons. that's a good thing. we're seeing some expansions in the franchise. what do you make of the ways in which most republicans, other than ms. reynolds here, are really fighting to force young people, people of color to stand in line during a pandemic? they really are engaged in trying to make sure that's the only way that people who aren't their people can vote. and in florida, trying to keep former felons from voting, even though there is a constitutional amendment saying they can, but saying we have to pay what amounts to a poll tax in order to vote. to me, it speaks of weakness and inability to win an election. but i want to know from the political science mind of yours, what does it say to you? >> in sports, you always say if you're not cheating, you're not trying. in politics, if you're cheating it means you're losing. what's happening is the reason

the republicans are so obsessed with making it difficult for young people and black people to vote, whether that is georgia, whether is that is florida, whether that ask in utah, whether that is in texas, because they know that young people and former felons will vote democratic or vote out the status quo to be honest. and here's the problem, when you continue to play whack-a-mole and make it harder for people to vote, it ends up hurting you. there are young college students who like president trump. but if you're making it hard for them to vote, maybe they can't flip that one college town. there are seniors and older black people who may want to vote for a republican governor, and you're making it harder for them to vote. the republicans are engaging in this very unsophisticated attack on everybody, hoping it plays out in their favor. what they will underestimate is the number of white people they frustrate and white independents they frustrate with these voter suppression tactics who end up

throwing them out of office. >> i think the high political science term for that is punching yourself in the face. thank you very much. appreciate both of you for being here. up next on "the reidout," president trump's strategy for addressing the coronavirus, well, we'll show you. remember corey bush from that documentary "knock down the house?" >> i was not trying to become an activist. i live six minutes from ferguson. ♪ being a woman of color, our image is scrutinized. people in my district, this is how we look. >> well, corey didn't win that time, but she sure did yesterday, pulling off a major upset. and she's here with me tonight. and for our craziest damn thing, we're putting agents mulder and sculley on the case, because the truth is out there. just not from him. and trump backers working to get kanye west on the ballot in wisconsin. we'll get to that and much more

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more than six months into the pandemic, and president trump is still not willing to face the facts. after his devastating interview with jonathan swan, president trump retreated back to his safe space this morning, where he continued to push for schools to reopen, falsely claiming that children are almost immune to the virus and it would all just go away. >> my view is the schools should open. this thing is going away. it will go away like things go away, and my view is that schools should be open. if you look at children, children are almost -- and i would almost say definitely, but almost immune from this disease. >> none of that is true. it suspect the first time president trump claimed it would magically go away.

>> this virus is going to disappear. it's going to disappear one day. it's like a miracle, it will disappear. calm, you have to be calm. it will go away. this is going to go away without a vaccine. this is going away. this is going to go away. i said it's going away and it will go away. you know it is going away. >> okay, not only is it not going away, we're continuing to see hot spots emerge across the country, especially in the south. mississippi is seeing the number of new cases roughly double since july and the positivity rate is over 20%. in fact, if things don't change, mississippi could soon overtake florida as the state with the most new coronavirus infections per capita, according to researchers at harvard. for more, i'm joined by the mayor of jackson mississippi, and dr. roy, an internal medicine physician. mayor, let me start with you first. what would your constituents say to you if you told them that this virus that's killing their neighbors and family members is

just going to go away? would anyone take you seriously if you said that in your city? >> i don't think that my constituents could say much. they would just vote me out of office. i think reality is that, we don't need 1,000 confirmations of who president trump is. the question is, who are we? what steps are we going to take from a state level. what steps are cities needing to step into? and so it's requiring that we step into that void and make certain that we do all that we can to protect our citizens. and while the president wants to have a willful blindness to the facts, we don't have that luxury here in mississippi. >> your governor was very much against the idea of mask mandates and seemed to be 100% with president trump on the issue of the pandemic. he's now done a 180. he has now mandated masks. he's delayed the start of school. there's a two-week statewide

mask mandate, and delaying school reopening in counties with more than 200 cases. it's an executive ord they are will require teach toers weers masks. is that enough? >> we don't have a choice. it has to be done. we haven't operated with a sense of you rememberen surgency. in the city of jackson, we did the mask mandate a month ago. when we saw the state reopen, at that time i warned i didn't think it was based on data, it was based on political pressure. so we're seeing the ill effects of that, as we see students prepare to go back to school. it's not just about the health of our children, which we are certain an't, but our children can be asymptomatic carriers that can bring the virus home to mom or bad or bring it to our teachers that are so kind to --

[ inaudible ] -- so there are a litany of issues he fails to recognize, by pushing children into schools. so one of the things that i centered around is there needs to be an adjustment to the 180-day requirement for the districts, for accreditation for the school year, by restricting those number of days, it allows the districts to map out a plan that is better able to assess safety and better able to assess the inequity issues that are created. not every child has a computer, not every child has access to internet. so we need to not only be concerned about safety, but we have to make certain that we're not creating a greater divide in equity in education. >> yeah. dr. roy, i wonder if you think it's too late. a state like mississippi that is belatedly putting in a two-week mask mandate. we're seeing this pandemic spiking again around the country. but when you hear that a

governor is now belatedly putting in a mask mandate this late in the game, will that do any good at this point? >> joy, that's a great question. first of all, i'm thrilled to be on "the reidout" primetime, so thank you for manage vhaving me. the mayor used the phrase a sense of urgency. we are in august, the second half of 2019. and i don't know about you, but i'm not getting that sense of urgency of our elected officials. the white house, in my opinion, needs to be proactive in three key areas. widespread, rapid point of care testing. second, a focus on the one area that we know works, which is prevention. as you probably know, i don't leave my home without wearing a mask. this simple item, along with physical distancing, actually can dramatically contain the virus. and third, a national strategy that specifically detailed and

tailored to each state when it comes to testing, prevention, school and business reopening, and ppe, because in a matter of weeks, we're going to have flu season. flu, coronavirus, and all the other neglected illnesses such as heart disease and stroke and cancer, our health care system is going to be decimated if we don't protect them, as well. in order to do all of that, joy, and by the way, that national strategy also really needs to address the people who are most impacted, are most vulnerable, communities of color, black, native and hispanic americans. but you need competence and you need compassion. >> yeah. because there is no national strategy, dr. roy, which is still shocking. it's august, months into this and we don't have a national strategy. you're now seeing states doing it themselves. louisiana, maryland, massachusetts, michigan, ohio, north carolina, virginia have now sort of created a compact,

the same way that new york, new jersey, and states in the northeast have done. and it's a seven-state effort to purchase more than 3 million coronavirus antigen tests. and the governor of maryland skirts the trump administration. can state compacts start to fight this virus, in part because you can't bar people from other states from coming into your states, or will this start to reduce the rapid rise in the pandemic? >> well, joy, i mean, the states are compelled to do this, because they're lacking the support from our federal leaders. you saw this happening, coalition happening among states early on in the pandemic. you saw that with new york, new jersey, connecticut, where the governors all tomorrowed a coalition, including massachusetts with a republican governor. i mean, you just need people that are smart and follow the evidence, joy.

that's what it comes down to. so the fact mississippi and other states are creating these coalitions that are basing their policies on evidence, on the science, that it's going to work, it's never too late. yeah, obviously it would have been idea if this was implemented on a national level back in march, april, to prevent the up needed deaths. but it's never too late. if they can implement it today, that means lives are going to be saved down the road. >> yeah. and mayor, i wonder if there's a possibility for city to city to do something similar. i know the economic devastation we're seeing across the country, which is being disproportionately being visited on black communities, along with the health devastation that's happening. i'm sure that's happening in jackson, as well. is there a way to maybe combine with other states or other cities to work together on mandates, et cetera?

>> well, to dr. roy's point, the absence of federal leadership looks towards the state and absence of state leadership, we look toward city leaderships to do so. and so i'm constantly in discussions with other mayors across the street looking how to create our own uniform policy. our communities are far too connected. there are parts of my city, where just across the street lies another incorporated community. so if we're doing all that we can to socially distance and to shut down certain establishments where there is a heavy amount of congregation, or even issuing a mask mandate, and they're choosing not to, that puts pressure on our community. it makes our social distancing efforts more of a notion than a reality. and the circumstance in jackson is not only -- we're also the capital of health care. and it puts pressure on our health community, as well.

>> and i assume that mississippi has not expanded medicaid, right? would that help you if there was expanded medicaid in your state? >> absolutely. and our city resembles the dem graphic that is most impacted by this virus. so this is very dire circumstance here in jackson, mississippi. >> yeah. well, we'll be praying for all of you in jackson. we thank you for coming on, mayor. dr. roy, thank you so much. always great to talk with you. still ahead, listen to what president trump had to say about his upcoming convention. >> great, great people making speeches. i'll probably do mine live from the white house. >> in the words of one republican senator, is that even legal? we'll find out next. don't go anywhere. ext. don't go anywhere. we see you....looking out for all of us.

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acceptance speech from the white house lawn. >> we're thinking about doing it from the white house, because there's no movement. it's easy, and i think it's a beautiful setting. >> as nbc reports, use of the white house as a platform for a re-election speech would be highly unusual and represent a blurring of the baseline between taxpayer supported government activity and political campaigning. the hatch act says -- >> but the law does not apply to the president or vice president, making a political speech there by a president a move that would technically legal. meanwhile, last night was a big night for congressional primary elections. congressional congressman roger marshal won the republican nomination for the open senate seat in kansas defeating

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we need to provide revenues now, to solve the problems we know are coming. it is historic that this year, of all years -- >> yes! >> -- we're sending a black working class single mother -- [ applause ] >> yes, ma'am! >> -- who all the way to the

halls of kopg. >> i'm joined by cori bush, the democratic primary winner in missouri's first district. first of all, ms. bush, congratulations. >> thank you so much. and it's an honor to be here with you. >> oh, thank you so much. i saw your kids standing there. those look like my kids. your son was standing there, your daughter was super thrilled. what did your family say when you won? >> oh, my dad jumped up and down. he creed. he's been in politics for a very long time. to see his daughter come through like that, and the support i had, he cried in front of everybody. my children did the same. >> absolutely. of course, we all watched the documentary in which the ending was so tragic when you didn't win against him, you ran against

him before. everyone was rooting for you to try again. and you did. what does it mean to you to beat not just any politician. but i did a deep dive on william clay, you're talking about the son of one of the co-founders of the congressional black caucus, he then inherited the seat. do you think part of why you were so successful the second time was because he really wasn't in the district that much? there's a piece that talks about the fact that once his dad got in congress they basically moved to maryland/d.c. area and he lived more in maryland than in the district. do you think it was his absence that made it possible for you or something else? >> absolutely i think that's what it was. so knocking doors, making phone calls to the district, that's the main thing people were saying is that he's absent. when we talk about the place where the ferguson uprising happened, we're talking about where protests broke out for

more than 400 days that sparked a revolution, we're still having the ripple effects of it now. we're always number one, number two for homicides and high on the list for violent crime and high poverty and all of that, and it continues in this community. and people are looking for the leader that's going to, you know, help us through it, but be here to help us through it. what people have seen with me, i've been here and i am the people i serve. i've been that person that has had to walk through these struggles. and i've been very open about it. but that's the difference. you know, being here, even if you weren't raised here, be a part of the district, because you're the representative. >> yeah. you know, and your story is really moving. i was reading about the fact that at one point you had to leave your job, you're working in preschool education, lived in your truck, your car for a while with your young children. you've been through those kinds

of struggles. as you said, you're a working class woman. do you think that's what's missing in congress? so many of those people are millionaires and multimillionaires, so many of them are disconnected from the idea that $600 extra in your unemployment check could make all the difference in the world. that's something they can't relate to. do you think the fact that you can relate to those kinds of struggles, do you think that will make you a different kind of congresswoman, and in what way would you be different? >> yes, it will make me a different congress person. i think that we need to have different people from different walks of life, that represent our country, so this district is, we have a lot of poverty and we don't just have poverty. we need people who can represent on different levels in congress. for me, being someone who has lived out of my car, let me tell you, that pain of the struggle that i've been through, i can still feel that pain right now. so that pain is walking with me

through the doors of congress, and that's what is going to feed me. that's what is going to fuel everything that i do. that, and what i've seen the rest of our people in the community go through, how much we have had to fight. and we're looking at what's happening in other places, it's like, why are we fighting so much? why do we have to struggle so hard? especially black women in this community. we're fighting so much, you know, where is the relief? i'm ready to bring the relief. i'm ready to be that champion, because i've been fight thing thing, unpaid fighting it, because we need a different type of life, we need quality to our lives. we need to stop surviving st. louis and start thriving here. >> yeah, absolutely. you were very much involved in the michael brown protest, very much a part of the community, fighting the fight with your soon-to-be constituents. what is the most important thing you want to accomplish as a congresswoman? >> equity. that's going to be in our health care system, our school systems.

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greatest. >> okay, okay. that is well, bizarre. but according to a daily beast report from several years ago, the feeling is mutual. trump cherishes dobbs. he calls him at night to gossip and ask for advice. president trump even puts him on speakerphone during white house meetings. that's not frightening at all. so it's certainly not crazy that president trump called in to lou dobbs' show last night. but you know what is crazy? the conversation went straight into literal uncharted territory. dobbs took the time to ask president trump, of all things, ufos. >> a lot of my friends are very concerned about what the federal government is doing when it comes to ufos. so if i could just ask you, are we going to commit -- are you going to commit more resources

to exploring ufos and open the documents to the public? >> well, i think you're the ufo expert in this country. i'll do whatever you ask me to do, including total transparency. >> ox, wait. a lot of dobbs' friends are very concerned about ufos? who is he hanging out with? and i'm sorry, i'm sorry, did president trump just say lou donees is a ufo expert? what is happening? this crazy trump tv show has trumped from "veep" to ""the x-files." but ufos are far more believable than some of the conspiracies that president trump has embraced, from birtherism to the false allegation that obama spied on him. that's crazy. that's all so crazy.

well, here's the trump version of "the x-files." we call it the trump files. ♪ >> when you look at the people that are registered, dead, illegal, and two states, we have a lot to look into. he gave a birth certificate. whether or not that was a real certificate, because a lot of people question it. i certainly question it. his father was with lee harvey oswald. what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death? this is a woman cheating the united states government for years with her emails. they set up an illegal server, destroyed evidence, deleted and acid washed 33,000 emails.

i was spied on by president obama and biden. the highest levels of government, they were spying on my campaign.well, the truth is out there. and that is the craziest damn thing in the world. we'll be right back.

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kanye west has officially filed to get his name on the ballot as a presidential candidate in wisconsin. since he announced his candidacy last month, he has had mixed success. it's becoming increasingly clear he's getting help from republicans and trump supporters leading some to question whether mr. west is being used to try to take votes away from biden. i'm joined by political consultant and washington contrib. you boar and ben jacobs, reporter for new york magazine. where kanye west has gotten on state ballots in the status so far. he's qualified only in oklahoma fully. pending wisconsin, west virginia, vermont, missouri, illinois, colorado, ohio. some of those states are swing, and missed it in florida.

how serious is this effort clearly by republican operatives, some of whom were seen going in and bringing ballots in to get him on the ballot in wisconsin. >> it's certainly serious enough that there is a concerted effort to get him on the ballots in these states where one republican told the milwaukee journal sentinel today they thought kanye west could get 100,000 votes in the state. it is unclear how he's doing. this process seems to be almost taking place on autopilot, without any real involvement from the candidate. but it's going. and his name is going to be on the ballot in some of these states. >> yeah. i mean, it seems clear that republicans, in order to win, understand they have to recreate the similar conditions that donald trump had in 2016. they need to lie about joe biden and make him a hated figure. that hasn't really worked so far. the media hasn't taken the bait

on some of the garbage they have tried to throw on him. and they need there to be a jill stein type of anything your. trump got 47% of the vote in wisconsin. jill stein only got 1% of the vote. but that added up to 31,000 votes. trump only won by 22,000 votes. if he could somehow get a third person in there that people could vote for instead of biden, he could recreate those conditions. >> absolutely, joy. >> is that to your understanding the plan? >> that's what it appears to be. i mean, the dynamics that existed in 2016 that assisted donald trump in being elected do not exist this time around with joe biden, in my opinion. and if you look at jill stein and the impact she had in several battleground states, it is very clear that the numbers would indeed assist donald trump. kanye west may not show up in wisconsin. he may not show up in michigan or nevada. but the fact that he is on the

ballot, joy, he could, indeed get votes away from biden. maybe it's 44,000 votes by which i believe he won in michigan. that could be enough, joy, to impact and tilt the race in mr. trump's favor. that has to be something that the biden campaign should be paying a lot of attention to. >> yeah. let me play for you kanye west during a charleston, south carolina rally for this nation campaign for president. this was on july 19th. take a listen. >> tubman never actually freed the slaves. she just had them work for other people. >> those that understand mental illness or even compulsive behavior know that the family is powerless unless the member is a minor. people who are unaware or far removed from this experience can

be judgment and not understand that the individual themselves has to engage in the process of getting help no matter how hard family and friends try. a lot of people assume that kanye west is being used because republicans can conveniently get him on the ballot in places where young people, disaffected people may put down kanye west because it is not joe biden. we know kanye west is a trump supporter. we know he got millions of dollars from the ppp program, which is supposed to go to small businesses. he got that money. so he does have a financial and a political interest in trump being re-elected. do you have any reporting that states that it is not just his mental health that's at work here. it is his own personal and political interests? >> i don't have any specific reporting there. the one thing he's been vocal about is being pro-life. he talked about that in south carolina. but it's also hard to see where this is going because obviously there is a significant side of

the electorate who has been inclined to vote for a celebrity who says controversial things. >> the same question i guess to you. is there a belief inside of the trump world that this will actually work, that he will pull enough voters away from biden that will it allow donald trump to sweep a state like wisconsin? >> from my understanding, i spoke with a friend of mine who has very close relations with the trump campaign and told me there are some people on the inside internally that are hoping that that is the result. joy, we have to ask ourselves, a majority of the state at this point is already surpassed trying to get on the ballot as a presidential candidate. there are only a handful remaining. it is an expensive process, an exhaustive process. who is paying for this? these are all legitimate questions that have to be asked because at this point in time no serious candidate would attempt

to do what mr. west is trying to do. there is no other thought in my mind other than it's to help donald trump. >> yep, that's what it seems to be. thank you both very much. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." the dirty tricks of donald trump vmt while the president goes to war on mail-in voting, republican operatives go to work to get kanye west on the ballot to split joe biden votes. trump 2020 by any means necessary. then as chicago public schools announce they won't be going back into the classrooms, why we are headed for national chaos in the fall. plus, add the spector of depression of homelessness as evictions begin across america. and the explosion in buy route. how government failure played a role and why there is a lesson for america in