campaign filing new lawsuit saying breaching copy right laws playing hits like "rockin' in the free world" that happened at tulsa and mt. rushmore rallies this summer. the campaign using the music as a theme song and accuses it of divisive and un-american campaigning, ignorance and hate which neil young doesn't want to co-sign. that's a little political musical update for you. stay tune "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. donald trump is a desperate, desperate man, frantically seeking a way out. in the face of poll after poll showing him losing to joe biden badly, he's been throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. his new tactic as well, weird. he now seems to be claiming that the man that many refer to as uncle joe is not just a man, oh,

no, joe biden is some all powerful negative force and an absolute threat to your win toes. >> they want to defund the police and biden wants to defun the police. >> sir, he does not. >> now joe biden is pushing a platform that would demolish the u.s. economy, totally demolish it. mandate net zero carbon emissions for homes, offices. that basically means no windows, no nothing. there will be no safety, no security, no peace, no justice in joe biden's america. you and your family will never be safe. >> no windows. okay. none of that makes any sense. but go off, trump. today the upside down bible man rolled out an even more ludicrous argument suggesting that joe biden is so powerful he threatens everything in existence from guns to god

himself. >> he's going to do things that nobody ever would ever think even possible. take away your guns, destroy your second amendment, hurt the bible, hurt god. >> that's powerful. the they think about trump's latest attack on biden is that it's similar to the crazy conspiracy theories he's so fond of in that it's both untrue and insane. the biden campaign did take the time to reply to the run tiff assertion saying joe biden's faith is at the core of who he is. he's lived it with dignity his entire life, and it's been a source of strength and comfort in times of extreme hardship. donald trump is the only president in our history to have teargassed peaceful americans and thrown a priest out of her church just so he could profane it and a bible for his own cynical optics. true, true. but perhaps the wildest thing about trump's attack on all

powerful joe the destroyer, he's a civilian at this point. he holds no governmental power. he's an ex-vice president while donald trump is the current president of the united states. he is the one who has power. but he's not using it. he's literally refusing to use the power he holds, to fight the biggest threat facing americans today, the coronavirus pandemic that has now taken the lives of more than 160,000 americans. in fact, rather than marshalling a national response to this health and economic catastrophe, donald trump was running around ohio today turning what was supposed to be an initial presidential visit into a series of faux campaign rallies. despite the fact that ohio's governor, mike dewine, who was supposed to greet him on the tarmac there in cleveland himself tested positive for the virus today ahead of trump's arrival. trump is spending every day pretending everything is totally fine and that he doesn't need to

do anything except tweet and give interviews and complain. if that's not enough sheer madness, today trump said that despite it all, he wouldn't change a thing. >> don't you wish you had done some things differently? >> i think, first of all, the governors run their states. you understand that. nobody has done a better job. we've done a great j.b. and we haven't been rewarded with -- >> so you don't admit any missteps? you don't think maybe if you were a little more enthusiastic about it earlier? >> i guess you could say people call things wrong, but that's understandable. >> joining me now dr. richard besser, former acting cdc and former adviser in the obama administration. ben, i try to picture president obama, the ebola crisis happens. he says, ebola, what can you do, right? or any of the crisis that he faced during his administration and saying i think we're doing

all fine and i can't do anything about it. what do you make of the fact that it does appear that the president of the united states, donald trump, doesn't think he has any power to do anything other than invade cities because of black lives matter. >> well, you're exactly right. from the beginning of the crisis he's talked about it like something that was just happening that he had no agency over, something that would disappear in the spring, something that would be gone by easter instead of marshalling the kind of dproglobal responset can make a difference. if you look at president obama, that's two things. one modeling certain behavior. h1n1 epidemic president obama made a point modeling behaviors, getting a flu shot. ebola, very clear in communicating to people how do you contact this disease, what do you need to avoid. trying to reduce the stieg na by hugging a nurse in the oval office that kind of modeling behavior would have led donald

trump to encourage people to wear masks, encouraging people to socially distance, steps that could have bent the curve in the spring when it meant the most, marshalling the response and international response instead of just saying it's up to the governors. saying having a patchwork of 50 different regulations for how we deal with this in a federal union is not the way we go about this. having national guidelines for how states and cities should be dealing with this and similarly working around the world to make sure companies were cooperating and getting necessary supplies and doing necessary contact tracing so we understood this better. instead he with drew it from the rest of the world from the world health organization. what we've seen is every single other major country in the world has handled it much better than us. it's because we have nobody at the response modeling that behavior and marshalling a national and global response. >> you know, that is the thing i think for a lot of americans is really confounding and new.

dr. besser, i'll bring you in on this as well. here are the deaths in the united states compared to the next highest countries. we're coupled in. you have brazil, mexico, uk, india, spain, peru, iran, russia. look at our -- we're the blue line at the top. for those of thank you have to squint to see. we're the blue line. it's hard for a lot of americans could understand how our president seems so helpless and alone when you think of the united states marshalling the world, creating a vaccine and being celebrated from it. then you have donald trump today. here is him predicting -- he has no power to stop that but here he is saying there's going to be a vaccine by election day. >> what's the earliest we could see that, a vaccine? >> sooner than the end of the year, could be much sooner. >> sooner than november 3rd?

>> oh, i think in some cases it's possible before, but right around that time. >> dr. besser, it's clear he has no idea when there would be a vaccine, he has no agency at all over a vaccine being created. the fact he's saying that to his supporters, because the people sees talking to are his people, does that worry you he's now overpromising on a vaccine? >> there are a couple of things that really worry me. if we want to have the same type of curve in the united states that we're seeing across europe or so many different companies where they have been able to control this and really drive the numbers down to something that's manageable and economies have been able to reopen, it's not going to be a vaccine that gets there. it's going to be the simple measures countries have taken that aren't easy to do. but wearing masks and social distancing and making sure that everyone has what they need to be able to protect themselves and their families, these are

what we need to do. if people think a vaccine is going to ride in and all of a sudden this is going to go away, they are sorely mistaken for a number of reasons. any vaccine rushed through without the proper safety testing and effectiveness testing, no one is going to want to get that vaccine and no one in public health would recommend that vaccine. that really takes time. the other thing, there's been this movie conception of a vaccine put out there where in the last 20 minutes a vaccine is developed, everyone gets a vaccine and we go back to our regular lives. most vaccines provide at best partial protection and the ability to ramp up production and vaccinate massive numbers of people, billions of people will take time as well. so what i worry about big time is when politicians are saying the vaccine is coming and that gives people an excuse not to do the things right now that will save lives.

>> dr. besser, are you not excited about the idea of a vaccine coming out of the kodak company? apparently the kodak company is getting out of photographs business and becoming a drug company. does that seem normal to you that that is something that's happening? >> one thing i am excited about is the amount of money going in to develop a vaccine, but i think we still have to keep in mind that there's no certainty that even with all these companies working to develop vaccines that there will be one. there are many diseases, hiv, dengue fever, for decades we've worked on vaccines and we don't have one. i'm optimistic there will be one but who knows. who knows when that will be. the other piece of this is as we think about vaccine and vaccine distribution, we have to keep in mind what communities, what parts of our population are getting hit the hardest. how do we ensure people have confidence, black and brown communities are part of this. if a death rate for black

americans, latino americans is four to five times that for white americans, we have to make sure we're addressing the needs there and making sure that every community has what it needs to be safe. >> yeah. ben, i want to read you a little bit of this "new york times" article, whose depressing title is unique failure to control the virus. a piece published today. when it comes to the virus, the united states has come to resemble not the wealthy and powerful countries to which it is often compared but instead to far pourer countries like brazil, peru and south africa or those with large migrant populations like bahrain and oman. meanwhile our president is getting rebuked by twitter and facebook and pulled off of twitter and told to shut down, he can't tweet -- post on facebook because he's lying and saying children are completely immune. he actually got rebuked by even facebook, which has been pretty

lax with him until now. i don't know what we do about that. we don't have a place in the world other than as a source of pity. >> yeah, joy, i think when i started at the white house and when i began working at the white house you walked into the west wing and the first thing you're struck by is how small it is. just a few desks with people working there. you realize government is a human endeavor. the human beings you put in these positions matter a lot. south korea had an outbreak of this disease bigger than we did before we did in the run up to china. they had a few people die because they had the right things. italy, spain, very much like us, out of control, they got it out of control. this country elected someone president who habitually lies, who is not interested in government, who has disparaged expertise and calls civil service the deep state, who cannot look beyond the 24-hour media cycle. not only that the 24 hour

twitter cycle he lives in. he can't do these things. this was evident to us when he was elected. it was evident to us the first three years of his presidency. what happened is inevitably he was got nothing to be equipped to deal with the crisis. he did not hire people equipped to deal with the crisis. he did not listen to experts like dr. fauci still in the government who could help with the crisis. the hard truth for america, this didn't need to happen, we didn't have to be sitting here with 160,000 people dead. these are the people running our government. that's what we need to decide in november. >> before we go, i would be remiss if i didn't ask you about the situation in lebanon, ben rhodes. trump called it an attack. what do you think of the quickness he was going to call it an attack when there's no evidence of that. it's a tragedy but not an

attack. >> it's incredible irresponsible. he provided no evidence it was an attack. the government of lebanon itself suggested it was an accident. they are suggesting with some responsibility that perhaps this accident took place. the reason it's so dangerous, joy, lebanon is a country that suffered in recent decades civil war, massive influxes of refugees, proxy wars between external powers, wars with israel. to speculate like that risks adding to a tragic situation an element of instability, an element of conspiracy. this is the opposite of what a president should be doing. he should be focused on trying to provide international support to people of lebanon, hundreds of thousands who are homeless now in beruit and not stirring the pot, but he can't resist doing it. >> indeed, there are former colonize colonizers, the french, their president was in lebanon comforting people. they turn to them not the united states. what a weird world. doctor besser, thank you, ben

rhodes, thank you very much. on "the reidout." handing over documents to the d.a. in a criminal inquiry. also tonight -- britney gilliam wrongly, traumatically arrested at gunpoint in aurora, colorado along with four children. she joins me live. plus, you know what's crazy? ♪ live and let die >> donald trump playing "live and let die" before his event today in ohio during a pandemic that has killed more than 160,000 americans. but believe it or not, that's not the craziest damn thing. here is a clue. what does donald trump think he has in common with john lewis?

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state prosecutors in new york are already closing in on donald trump when it comes to his tax returns thanks to the supreme court's ruling last month. now "the new york times" has revealed the manhattan's district attorney's office issued a subpoena last year to deutsche bank for trump's financial records. most importantly, however, deutsche bank complied with that subpoena. deutsche bank is known as one of the few financial institutions willing to take on the risk of trending to trump's money bleeding businesses, loaning him $2 billion over the decades. they also have an unscrupulous reputation having been busted for laundering money from russia, coincidentally. according to the "times" over a period of months deutsche bank provided detail records,

financial statements and other materials that mr. trump had provided to the bank as he sought loans. so why are those particular documents important to prosecutors? because trump's former lawyer michael cohen alleged last year trump misrepresented his assets to banks and to insurance companies to get more favorable dea deals. >> to your knowledge, did the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenues? >> yes. >> to your knowledge, did the president ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company. >> yes. >> and was that done with the president's knowledge or direction? >> everything was done with the knowledge and at the direction of mr. trump. >> do you think we need to review his financial statements and tax returns in order to compare them. >> yes. >> do i need to also say that inflating your assets to a financial institution is

illegal? furthermore, a court filing monday appears to confirm that prosecutors are, indeed, investigating trump for alleged insurance and bank fraud. i'm joined now by the author of that explosive "new york times" report, author of "dark towers, deutsche bank, donald trump, and an epic trail of destruction" and prosecutor vance. walk us through what you think it means that deutsche bank complied with these records and whether on the table for donald trump would be whether he could be prosecuted for said crimes -- potential alleged crimes, i'd say. >> it's really significant deutsche bank has complied with the subpoena. it's been flying fast and furious with deutsche bank for years now. this is the first to my knowledge in a criminal investigation where the bank has been handing over extensive material and documents to

producers. deutsche bank the primary lender to trump over the past two decades has collected an enormous volume of information and secret stuff over that time period. the fact they are now providing that to criminal prosecutors who can use it against him, we don't know exactly what's in there but it's potentially very significant and a big milestone. it allows the district attorney to try and build a case based on much more evidence than has previously seen the light of day. >> joyce, i'm more intrigued the lengths william barr has gone to keep him incarcerated because he wanted to write a book. michael cohen has been open. he testified under oath, donald trump inflated or deflated the value of his properties, depending on what he wanted. if donald trump was doing that, to commit insurance fraud. a, how hard to prove it. b, could michael cohen be a key

witness? in that case, how much value to a prosecutor? c, would we talk about federal prosecution or along with state prosecution along with trump after he's out of office? >> so here we've got an unusual situation, joy, because what just has been described are core federal crimes, bank fraud, wire fraud, potentially, if the evidence were to pan out. we have a state prosecutor, the manhattan district attorney, who is clearly the one driving this investigation, which means if it comes to fruition there will be grand jury charges under state law and a state prosecution. at least as of right now we don't see a federal one. it would be a little surprising if they were going on in tandem but i suppose that's not impossible. michael cohen's value here, i think, is as a narrator, someone who knows where the body is buried. he's a problematic witness to

put on at trial. that's not to say it's impossible to hut him on. he's known to have lied on multiple occasions and it's difficult for the government to offer him as the key witness unless he is very carefully corroborated every step along the way with documentary evidence. that goes to the first part of your question, how hard is this to prove? the answer is in the documents. it sounds like what cy vance is doing, he's lining up the documents. what did trump give to deutsche bank when he was trying to get loans. what did he give to tax preparers and what showed up on his tax statements. do all those numbers match up? if they don't match up and it's, skt in, true that they inflated the value to get loans and increased for tax assessments then they are in a little bit of trouble. the final point i'll make is this, the manhattan d.a.'s pleading from earlier this week

says they are not obligated to reveal everything they are investigating either to the public or the president. they have shown the judge encamera, that means privately, some materials that shows the full scope of the investigation. they are talking about the insurance fraud here and the bank issues because they are part of the public record but we don't know what the full scope of the investigation is. there's a suggestion it's quite broad and manhattan d.a. is pleading references they are looking into corporations or entities and individuals. so multiple people and that could be very interesting. >> david, i guess the other question would be, is there any way to link what deutsche bank has alleged to have done in terms of laundering money for russia and donald trump, who has lots and lots and lots of money floating around from, you know - he at least according to his son was getting money from russia. are these separate things we

should think of separately? >> not necessarily. the short answer is we don't know. what we do know and what we reported on in the "times" and my book, there were numerous instances at deutsche bank where banks served in one way another intermediary, around 2016, 2017 we had deutsche bank employees raising concerns internally about what they saw as suspicious transactions involving both the trump and kushner accounts, in some cases sending money out of the money and in some cases to russian individuals. do bank employees view those transactions as potentially suspicious, wanted to report them to federal authority and were blocked essentially by managers at deutsche bank. we also have reported that deutsche bank in the mid 2000s played this role of middleman introducing donald trump to some of the wealthy russian clients who put money into real estate developments that trump was planning in places like hawaii and baja, california.

there's certainly a long history of deutsche bank doing shady business for russians. long history of deutsche bank doing this kind of business to trump, too. it wouldn't shock me to see an intersection. that's the enigma right now. we don't know exactly what cy vance has gotten from deutsche bank. potentially it could be significant. >> no wonder he wants to stay president, it's the best defense against prosecution. thank you very much, ahead on "the reidout," one of the incredibly offensive things rudy giuliani had to say about the black lives matter movement today? >> why aren't they classified as as terrorist group, just because they are black and nobody can say it? >> that's not the worst of it, not by a long shot. "the reidout" continues after this. "the reidout" continues after this (neighbor) whatcha working on...

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rudolph giuliani, former mayor of new york city, '94 to 2000. he tried to stay longer after 9/11. the city was like thanks, no thanks. apparently an expert on race, family, and terrorism. >> very, very strange society they want to set up. so far they haven't said a single world, even when the

terrible violence is taking place by antifa or black lives matter, both of whom are domestic terrorist groups without a doubt. stop the nonsense. these are killers. these are people who hate white people, white men in particular, and they want to do a way with mother-father family. they don't think fathers are necessary. >> interesting take on the family, the thrice married rudy, whose first wife was his cousin. he annulled that one. publicly announced he was divorcing his wife while having an affair while his wife and kids were living in the city owned mansion. the guy walked the dog of his mistress and soon to be third wife yudy nathan. he's since divorced her, too. who when police raised protests got his first political boost presiding over a riot by new york city police who were loudly and violently protesting over

marxist idea of having an oversight board. rudy was the trump to dinkins obama. a man who when he was mayor provided over the most racist and violent periods in policing in modern new york history. he hailed the police and took their side 1,000% even when they murdered an unarmed immigrant shooting him more than on40 times in his doorway. an unarmed man, patrick doorsman, whose criminal record rudy released as a payback. against giuliani time, watch out, black people, cops can do whatever they want to you now that rudy is in charge. rudy was not quite as fond of the fire department which is maybe why they got the bum radios and police got the best ones in the years before the 9/11 attacks. oh, on that terrorism thing, it

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and the costs to our economy, to our state budget? mounting every day. we need to provide revenues now, to solve the problems we know are coming. earlier this week we told you about police in aurora, colorado putting an innocent black woman brittany gilliam and young girls in her car in handcuffs. police say they mistakenly believed her car was stolen. with weapons drawn they ordered gilliam and the four girls, including her 6-year-old daughter, to lay face down on the ground. a bystander recorded some of it.

i'll warn you, it may be hard to watch. >> with me now is brittany gilliam and her attorney david lane, whose law firm is representing elijah, the 23-year-old who died in an encounter with police last year. thank you for being here. britt a brittany, i'm so sorry that happen to you and you have had to see that video and had to watch it again. i want to read what the police chief said in her apology about the actions and the actions that have been taken as a result of what happened to you. let's play that. >> it shouldn't have happened. we will -- i've already spoken to the division chief over training, he's already gotten ahold of the academy staff and

talking about how we train with these different types of scenarios to make sure this doesn't happen again. it's uncalled for and shouldn't have happened and i wish we could take it back. >> is that good enough for you. >> no. no. it's not good enough for me. >> can i just ask you to walk me through what happened. you were out for like a fun day with your daughter, who i understand is six, and some other young ladies and kids. tell us about what happened in that encounter. >> was going out. we were going to get our nails done, just have a girls day. once we were out, everyone was

in the car. we went to one that was close. by the time we had got there, like, you know, i had to go outside the vehicle and, hey, go check and see if it's closed. she came back in and she was like, no, auntie, it's closed. so we started to proceed to look for another one. my head is down and i'm looking for other places that can take four to five people at the same time. so we finally found a place. i was going to pull off, but instead i just like left the car in park, rolled the windows down and turned the vehicle off. said, i'm going to pull off in a minute. i was on my phone. so i didn't know where i seen this gentleman on the left side of me in the vehicle said something like i'm going to record. i didn't know what he was talking about. so then i put my head back in my phone and my niece started screaming. she said, auntie, the police is

behind us. i was like what? she was like, the police is behind us. i was like, okay, i don't know what for. i don't know what's for. she was like, no, auntie, they on us. like you know, the gun is pulled out on us. so i was just like -- i looked out the window and yelled at the officer like, hey, why have you got your guns drawn? he didn't respond. it was like, you know, he told us to proceed with laying our arms out the windows and stuff like that. so we all started laying our arms out the window. then he told the kids to get out one by one. so you know, my niece was first. my eldest first came out. i was like, no, you're not getting out. i start reaching for her. you're not getting out. he hadn't told us what we did, what's going on. he hadn't said anything. so then i was like asked him

again, respond. this is ridiculous. my niece started screaming. she said it was another officer that had their down out. then my niece had proceeded to get out of the car. i was like, you know what, go. hurry up and go and do what they say. just listen. she gets out of the vehicle. then it was my little sister and my other niece. her -- this is ridiculous. me and her, our hands back in the window. he start screaming really loud telling us to put our hands back. it was aggressive. so i said, hurry up, you know what, forget it. just go ahead and get out of the car because you're next. so she got out of the car. then you know, like my daughter she climbs all the way out of the back and gets out of the vehicle. after that -- after i hear the other officer tell them lay on your stomach on the ground.

then they proceeded to tell me to get out of the vehicle. when i got out of the vehicle. >> let me ask you -- >> go ahead. >> i wanted to ask you this question. you know, we saw the video of your daughter who is six and the other kids who are teenagers or younger lying on the ground. you hear them crying and screaming. at any point did any of those officers help the children up, apologize to you, apologize to the kids, attempt to calm them down? did they do anything like that at any point. >> no. they did not apologize until the two hour mark hit. they did not apologize at all. how it played out, the kids were on the floor for 12 to 15 minutes. i never knew that. i only thought they were on the floor for a couple minutes. they were on the floor for 12 to 15 minutes because this is what was reported. like i say, they were out of the vehicle before me.

>> let me ask david lane very quickly while i have you, because your firm is also representing elijah mclane's family, 23-year-old young man also killed by aurora police. have you gotten any feedback from auria police they understand they need to fundamentally change the way they operate toward black people. pointing guns at little kids and making them lay on the ground for 12 to 15 minutes and not doing anything to try to calm screaming children who you pointed a gun at doesn't sound to me like proper police procedure. >> i think if there's any department i'm aware of in the country that needs to be did he funded, abolished and rebuilt from the bottom up it's the aurora police department. we've been doing cases for 25 years. aurora is a frequent flyer. they just named chief wilson as a brand-new chief of police this week. my attitude is meet the new boss same as the old boss until she

can prove otherwise. i say there are good apples in every department. by that i mean most cops aren't violent, most cops don't want to violate the constitution. most cops are enablers. they allow their violent brothers and sisters to do what they want. they turn a blind eye, don't write reports and don't each other in. that's the culture in aurora and across the country. until they stop being enablers nothing will change, this culture of back the blue will never change. i have no reason to believe aurora is ever going to change. >> well, i think that is well said. unfortunately sad but very true. brittany gilliam, thanks for being here and taking the time to speak with us. i hope your family and kids are well and nieces as well. thank you. david lane, thank you. "the reidout" continues after this. lane, thank you. "the reidout" continues after this

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association seeking to dissolve the group and accusing illegal self-dealings that funded a lavish lifestyle. the nra has been an enormous source of money in the past contributing more than $54 million to the federal election in 2016. i'm joined now by charles booker, kentucky state representative and founder of hood to the holler. and jaime harrison, former chairman of the democratic party. you are locked in this really deadlock with lindsey graham, 44-44 in the new south carolina quinnipiac poll. will it make a difference for your campaign that the nra might be on the sidelines? >> well, listen, joy, thank you for that. hey, i can't speak to the specifics of this case, but i can tell you right now there is a south carolina case that the nra and lindsey graham has been holding up, and that is closing

the charleston loophole. i lost a dear friend and we lost eight other lives here in south carolina. there is legislation that passed the house of representatives that is in the senate sitting on the desk of lindsey graham, the chairman of the senate judiciary committee. and he's bought and paid for by the nra and he lost his constituents and he won't even bring that bill up for discussion and debate. joy, it's shameful, but it is what is to be expected. there won't be a dry eye here in south carolina, particularly with the folks that were close to those that lost their lives. >> charles, i saw your tweet earlier indicating you recently lost a family member to gun violence. i want to give you condolences on that. when i talk with the parkland kids in florida, you know, they're very that the nra played

a part. so i'm wondering what you think of the fact that they now face a real financial challenge. >> well, first of all, joy, thank you for having me. i appreciate your thoughts of condolence because this is very personal to me. i lost a cousin, a younger was this morning that was murdered. and over the past four years, i have had five cousins murdered. we are dealing with the problem of gun violence is a public health crisis. and over the course of that time, the nra is weaponizing hate, sewing division, profiting off the fact that a wedge issue now is keeping people divided and then self-dealing and padding their pockets. they're not honoring the constitution. they're not protecting gun owners. they're not honering common sense gun safety. so, yes, they need to go. the bigger conversation here is how do we get to the fact that so many people, like my family,

are losing our loved ones dealing with trauma carrying on and breaking our communities. we can keep people safe. we can honor the second amendment and do all those things at the same time. this is the moment we have to seize and make that happen. >> one of the reasons i wanted to speak with both of you because you both are from the south and i feel that the south is where the action is in terms of political change right now. i will stay with you just for a moment, charles because you were out there very vocally protesting in terms of black lives matter. it is something i will say that the person who very narrowly defeated you in that democratic primary amy mcgrath did not do and i wonder what that's going to do in her general election results. but i wonder if you could just comment on, you know, black lives matter started not with a police killing but with the killing of trayvon martin, a civilian versus civilian.

do you think this will resonate with young people the way that gun violence has in november? >> i know it is. while we're saying breonna taylor's name, we're talking about so much more. people are focussing in on the structural issues and the fact that so many of our communities are broken by this public health crisis. we're actually how do things become better? that's why hood to the holler is so important. all these people that are standing up, we see you. and we know that together we can redefine politics, put a new wave of leaders in place and, yes, we could have a new southern strategy. we will take that through november and stream roll into our future because we're not turning back. >> what do you think is the reason, jaime, that your campaign is catching on so strongly? is this about black lives matter washing into southern states, or is it about something else? what do you think is making you resonate? >> well, joy, we're painting a vision of a new south.

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