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problems the state of georgia had during its june election, it was an embarrassment, some contend it was designed to be that way, mailing those ballots exceedingly long lines at polling locations, now the atlanta hawks of the nba are trying to make sure that doesn't happen again the team opened up its arena in downtown atlanta to voters making it the largest polling place in the state's history, the hawks one of several nba teams taking matters into their own hands, offering their arenas for voting. part of a push by lebron james among others to encourage voting in communities of color, increasingly citizens, cities, organizations are resorting to workarounds, solutions in cases where government chooses not to do all it can do to allow people to vote. seems like we had a civil rights act for that kind of thing signed into law 55 years ago

yesterday by lbj, but i digress. with us from atlanta is one shaquille brewster, hey, shaq, how are you. >> reporter: brian, i'm doing well. i can't go inside right now as voters are voting but look at that video we shot this morning as it looks inside this state farm arena, this arena has been unused since the start of this pandemic but a space that has allowed for social distancing with some of the voting to go through and sanitize it. they have free parking that they offer to voters. runoff election in georgia, the key thing here in talking with officials and the team this essentially practice, this is the preseason as one person described it for me as to what they plan to do in november. listen to what the team told me earlier this morning. >> i can tell you roughly we're planning to triple our operation. right now, we have a hundred

voting machines. we're tripling that. we're going to have at least 300 possibly more than that. >> reporter: so you see not only is it promoting health but it's also somewhat of a cool experience for voters. people have been telling me i was on the floor of the atlanta hawks arena, brian, you mentioned this earlier, other nba teams are doing this as well. look at this map here, we know of at least five teams, milwaukee, sacramento, that are planning to do something just like this in a primary early this week in michigan, detroit pistons allowed their practice facility a center for voting processing for officials there, more teams picking up the mantle, allowing their essentially unused arenas for voting centers not only now but when we hit the november

election. brian? >> shaq, thank you. so, brian, i'm old enough to remember when one laura ingraham told lebron james shut up and dribble. i'm really, really, really optimistic about what is not a partisan move but just a get out the vote move, old-fashioned how people should vote. one party republicans are making it harder with the president seeking to delegitimize the election. this is a big deal. >> any time you see citizens and basketball teams trying to facilitate the vote in a democratic society it's the light blinking red, i will recede into the backdrop, get ready for our effort tonight and watch your effort this afternoon. thank you for having me. with 88 days before the election, donald trump is facing an uphill battle as joe biden

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the in case it wasn't clear with the ramped up attacks just in the last week, we're now less than three months away from election day. according to nbc news first electoral battle ground map of the season, donald trump is off to a bad start, the map based on widespread polling and conversations with both strategists from both parties has joe biden starting with 334 electoral votes and trump with less than half of that, 125. 79 electoral votes are in tossup category. tim miller, also joining us democratic strategist and columbia university contributor. we're all veterans of either

participating or covering the 2016 election. things can change on a dime. but if you take this map and couple it with the breaking news at this houring that russia is actively working to denigrate joe biden, what word other than desperation describes the russian/trump effort? >> i'm so glad you're trying those two stories together, you take a look at this map and this analysis and there's no deanying that joe biden is in a very strong position, natural circumstances that could change a change economically, a change in this virus, you could see white voters return to trump which would mean biden would need to shore-up his support particularly with voters of color, particularly with latinos and younger voters, there's still work to do, we're not in a normal environment, we have one candidate who's actively working to undermine this election, to

say nothing of the fact that we're in the midst of a pandemic and so in some ways how people plan to vote, who they plan to vote for is less important than the mechanisms than by which they're going to be voting, so that brings up lot of complications. when you talk about russia interference and uncertainty baked into the process, we have to really set expectations. i spoke for example a bunch of youth voted advocates, young people traditionally don't vote by mail, they vote late, when these votes start rolling in, all these mail-in ballots, there's going to be panic, freakout about the fact that young people aren't voting at the ratings that the biden campaign or the democratic campaigns want to see and so something they keep emphasizing is the fact that there can't. a rush to judgment and there has to be time for all of this to

play out. >> tim miller, your candidate jeb bush who promised that donald trump would usher in chaos, he called him the chaos candidate. i don't know if jeb bush could have predicted the chaos that donald trump is ceding around the cape paacity or incapable ad the results. >> yeah, i think that when we talk about the chaos president, i don't think we imagined banned from traveling from other countries, delaying the election, having the russians interfere. it's beyond the worst case scenario. i have a little bit of ptsd from 2016, there's no doubt that joe biden is in a good position right now. but i look at that map, i see

arizona in the blue column, one of my hats with the republican voters against trump is a super pac and we did an internal poll last week and those states are tied based on our numbers. >> tell me those states again. >> north carolina and arizona. >> okay. there's still a path, still have biden winning but much more narr narrowly. >> let's do one more, i have ptsd. >> flip florida or pennsylvania. democrats felt good about florida in 2018, you saw ron desantis squeak out a one-point win. so, look, i mean, this is

definitely a race that biden has the lead in and trump is desperate. folks can't get complacent and when we look at the type of swinger voters out there, republican voters against trump, these moderate voters there's a chance that could get pulled back. >> from what we now know from the intelligence community that russia's quote actively working to denigrate joe biden to president trump's desperation if he sees a map half as bad and to his public facing statements which are bad enough, i don't know if we need anything under the surface he's actively working to delegitimize the results of an election that hasn't happened yet. >> that's exactly right. and so i would think to his point, in the sense he can do all of those things but if he does a little bit better in talking about the virus you may

see his numbers go up and that's still something that democrats really have to pay attention to but i'm hearten by a few things but if you look at the candidates around the country that are winning my friend dr. cameron webb in virginia, red to blue district, the wins of two african-americ african-american women, including cori bush in missouri, knocking off a longtime member of congress, there's so much progressive activity on the ground and an infusion of resources into individual state democratic parties. that's really important to me. you're seeing infrastructure being built. you're seeing a progressive activism on the ground and you put that together i think all of what donald trump is doing is going to pale in comparison to

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speed round, i want to get your thoughts, alicia, not on who joe biden is going to pick, but how we cover a female candidate on the ticket. we have not always done that particularly well. >> right, there are so many stereotypes that seem to follow women. and so many ways we talk about women candidates that undermines how seriously people take her. when you talk about a woman as being too ambitious, something must be wrong with her. we don't see that as a trait we admire in women. very often one of the checks i use with myself is, would you describe a man that way.

can you imagine all those unambitious politicians we talked about over the years. >> tim miller over to you. >> i think there will be a big tendency on the right to try to turn this campaign into whatever the worst thing that the woman vp has ever said or tweeted or has ever been said about her, and turn that into what the democratic ticket is. because joe biden is in the basement or whatever. we can see that strategy coming forward. i think that everybody has to be mindful of that, including the biden campaign as they roll out the candidate. >> just a moment of intersectionality here. we may be talking about a block woman. we go back to alicia's point on this concept, this notion of too ambitious. when black women are being most loyal supporters of democratic politics, there is nothing to be

said about being too ambitious. they are the party. it is important that we watch our language, pay attention to those cold words, they will show up in this race. >> i think what you said is important. it's not what you say, it's how you approach it. if any of the black women that have been talked about. they are highly accomplished. they are some of the most talented athletes on the field, if you will. as long as we're knocking down gender stereotypes here. that's an important point. as a punishment for all of your brilliance. all three of you, i'm going to bring it back when it happens. thank you so much for spending some time with us today. coming up for us. donald trump's failure to reign in the coronavirus puts america alone on the world stage.

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it's 4:00 in the east, as we're learning the breaking news in the last hour. russia is taking active measures to denigrate joe biden, the odni just released statements sharing an example.

leaked phone calls to undermine former vice president's candidacy and the democratic party. some kremlin linked actors are seeking to boost president trump's candidacy on social media and russian television. this comes as the fallout of donald trump's failed leadership across the country. across the world stage, our failures of national leadership and inability to stop the coronavirus. a failure to promote behavioral changes. on things like mask wearing and protection from the deadly virus. the unique u.s. failure to control the virus. one country stands alone as the

only affluent nation to have suffered aa severe, sustained outbreak for more than four months, the united states. over the past month, about 1.9 million americans have tested positive for the virus. that's more than five times as many in all of europe, canada, japan, south korea, australia combined. the front page reporting this snapshot of a crisis deepening in rural america. even before president trump admonished his top adviser for saying the country was entering a new phase of widespread infection, patients at mississippi's only level one trauma hospital were already on a wait for icu beds. mississippi experiencing the country's highest rate of positive tests. the pandemic's other grim reality is that decisions around school reopenings are increasingly a lose lose for

teachers, parents and kids. eugene robinson writes about america's unique challenges on this front on today's washington post. nations around the world are struggling with the pandemic. those that have managed to reopen schools have done so with caution. after first driving infection rates to low levels. here the virus is still extraordinarily widespread, that's according to the head of trump's coronavirus task force deborah birx. we're not ready. the president's singular failures on the crisis facing this country as russia works to boost his candidacy once again is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. infectious disease expert, our friend dr. peter hotez is back, white house reporter for the washington post and former chief of staff for the cia jeremy bash is here. i want to start with you, jeremy.

the intelligence community has reached an assessment that they have briefs to congress and made public. it says this, russia is actively working to denigrate joe biden. my question for you, ron johnson, senator from wisconsin is actively working to denigrate joe biden. are they in cahoots? >> i don't know if they're in cahoots. a senator, an american citizen has the right to participate in the 34ri8 process. the former kgb, vladimir putin does not have the right, it is unlawful and a violation of the security of the kremlin and the united states by getting involved and denigrating joe biden. they did it in 2016 and despite all the protests, all the bipartisan commissions. all the warnings from the intelligence professional across

capitol hill, across washington. here they go again, and what does donald trump say about this? apparently nothing. if bill, who is the office of the director of national intelligence as the head of counter intelligence. if he has said this publicly, he certainly has included reporting on this in the president's daily brief in classified assessments for leaders of the national security council. the fact that president trump has not spoken out about this has not pushed back on russia, means he welcomes it, and i think he does. >> let me stay with this, i think it's worth hitting pause on everything else. vladimir putin admitted he wanted donald trump to win in 2016. robert mueller found that putin and russia sought to aid trump's election. and the trump campaign accepted it enthusiastically. there wasn't a criminal conspiracy between the two. what is the capacity to protect

the 2020 election absent a president that cares about those two facts? >> i think we're in for some very rough times, nicole. i think the combination of foreign interference by russia and others, combined with the fact that the president himself has used covid as an excuse, we may not be able to have a lawful process nor voting by mail, and essentially what trump is saying, don't count the votes of americans who are voting and that election day may go on for weeks and months. a real echo to fascist rhetoric, i would say. foreign interference, and the president's desire to use covid as an excuse so chaos in an election which he is trailing badly in the polls should scare americans. to me, nicole, the bottom line is that unless this election is a landslide in favor of joe biden, almost any other scenario

will result in chaos and even scarier, potentially violence. >> we can't stop there, jeremy. tell me more about what the government -- you worked at the highest levels of the pentagon and the highest levels of the cia. what are the nonpartisan -- not political, but professionals doing to protect our country and to what degree can trump undermine that? >> i think there are a lot of officials collecting intelligence and warning policy makers about the danger posed by their foreign counter terrorism threats. at the end of the day, policy makers, the president, members of his team and congress have to be the ones that fashion policies to protect our elections, to protect polling places, to protect the systems through cyber defenses, through ensuring that we don't postpone

the election day. we don't discount mail-in ballots. all the things donald trump has said he wants. it's incumbent on every policy maker to ensure the integrity of our elections and to ensure our constitutional process for electing president remains absolutely sacro sankt. >> i don't want to leave any threads unsewn. ron johnson has a right to participate in the democracy, does he have a right to use a disinformation exercise against an american politician if it's coming straight from kremlin-backed ukrainians? >> there's no doubt that when americans and american media organizations and people who are aligned with president trump amplify the voices of the russian propaganda machine, they are unwittingly or wittingly if the warnings are public, they are supporting a foreign counter

intelligence threat to the country. i think it's strong to say they are in cahoots. it's very dangerous for members of congress, policy makers and news organizations to amplify the kremlin-backed efforts to undermine our democracy. >> i watched homeland, another trnl for that is useless idiot. what are the facts that russia is working to denigrate joe biden and aid donald trump's re-election? >> just generally, this is sort of the sin and the original question for the president that has hung over his entire presidency, it's what led to his impeachment and also what led to some of the erratic behavior that led to his impeachment and undermined his presidency. why he will not be tougher on russia generally, not just with their meddling in 2016 and

potentially now. even on what we saw a week or two ago, the reports from his own intelligence community that russia was paying the taliban for bounties. he will never be tough on russia, this is something that his team grapples with and continuings to undermine him. he believes the original question undermining his presidency. i think going-forward we're going to see the same rhetoric we saw before. this is a hoax, this isn't true. the problem is, it does create some of that -- two fold. the problem is, it's trying to meddle and undermine our democracy, it creates some of that erratic behavior which less than 100 days from election day, they are desperate to tamp down. >> your colleague greg miller wrote a story that sticks in my brain. five meetings between trump and

putin and not a note that was distributed. one of the most interesting exchanges is around what he and putin did talk about, when they didn't talk about the russian program to pay bounties for the u.s. soldiers. what donald trump did is something he did around other issues, he pivoted entirely, not just mainstream russian propaganda but to pultenesque propaganda. do we have any information about what putin and trump talk about so frequently? >> we don't. it's a stunning situation. the first readouts the american press get are from the russia side. which generally an administration wants to prevent. they don't want russia propagan propaganda.

he takes putin at face value, he'll come back and say, i asked putin about meddling, he said he didn't do it, and implied he's inclined to believe him. from his public comments and behavior, the general sense is that he's not particularly tough on putin, does not press these issues that a number in his own administration and own national security team want him to press in those moments where he wants them to come face to face. >> donald trump is in a dlap tated political state because of his inactions and failures to lead the country through a global pandemic. we would stop being america if things got much worse, you said a few weeks ago. you first raised my attention to the disinformation being spread around the pandemic and vaccines. what sort of strikes you about this intel report that russia is now actively working to hurt biden to help trump with the

spector of disinformation spread. facebook and twitter both took down some of trump's disinformation as it pertained to infection risks for children. it's probably like whack-a-mole if you had to pull it all down. >> yes, theres a number of things. we'll call this chaotic friday, we're projecting a lot of chaos across the country. look, we're at the u.s. right now, leads the world in the number of new cases and deaths over the last seven days, and this has been true for the last few months. so our epidemic is still spiraling out of control. the new estimates, 300,000 deaths by december and possibly 400,000 deaths by january to put that number in perspective, that's the number of americans that died in world war ii.

we're dealing with something of that magnitude. and still no plan for control at all. and then on top of that, we have so many conspiracy theories, including those put out by the white house, around the chinese communist party or blaming the world health organization, part of this larger anti-science disinformation campaign. and we've also learned that the russians are involved in spreading false information about vaccines and we have this terrible number now that -- depending on whose survey you want to look at, between 25% and 50% of americans will refuse covid-19 vaccines even when they become available next year. and now we have this anti-science movement that started out as an anti-vaccine movement. now they've glommed on to contact tracing and social

distancing, further fueling the number of deaths. i wrote an article a few weeks back. and something i know everybody reads. mike robes and infections. >> i'm going to start. it predicted a chaotic time in the country as the president's poll numbers drop because of covid-19. he deflects by blaming china, and the world health organization. then scientists, right after that came out, they attacked dr. fau fauci. this will continue. put your tray table up in the upright and locked position. it's going to be a tough fall i'm afraid. >> i remember when actress jenny mccarthy had concerns about vaccines. she spent more than a decade trying to undue the damage that her statements and beliefs did.

i know you've written extensively about vaccines and autism. if you take that as a case study. how do you magnify having an anti-science president around masks, not opening things up until the infection rate is low. >> yeah, and this is really destroyed the country, right? we could have and still can contain this virus. it includes leadership at the federal level, there was never an interest for the federal government to lead this, it was also, put the states out in front and the federal government will provide backup fema support and manufacturing support. there was never that white house advocacy to wear masks and support contacts tracing and to continue lockdowns when necessary. and this is why. we have the world's worst covid-19 epidemic, and it's

still growing. sometimes we talk about it as though it's in the past and the worst is over. the worst is yet to come. we're going to double the number of deaths over the next few months, and now we know it's not just deaths. we're seeing long term injury to the lungs, to the vascular system, the heart, neurologic deficits, cognitive deficits. this will plague the country for years and years, even after vaccines are out and we get people vaccinated. >> let me give you a quick last word on what that looks like, from the world stage, looking at us and our failure to contain this virus, to protect our own people. >> we're the nation that invented the automobile, the airplane, we invented the iphone. the fact that we can't get testing in under a week, we can't have a contact tracing

program, we can't be credible enough on science and technology to encourage people to do simple things like wear masks, shows you just how far this nation has fallen in its reputation as a global leader for science for research and for protecting people's lives. if we can't have that, we're not going to be able to protect our own people in the weeks and months ahead. >> wow! you all scared me. thank you for spending some time with us and starting us off. when we come back, donald trump's hypocrisy is showing again. suggesting joe biden is something like a godless racist. we'll examine that ahead. and we'll head into the war r m room. carve el and begala will join us coming up.

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joe biden clarifying comments he made this week. perfect is never on the menu, and joe biden is a man who can admit a mistake. biden made claims that the african-american community is not all that diverse a group of people. at least not as diverse as the latino community. last night, biden expressed remorse on twitter writing, earlier today i made some comments about diversity in the african-american and latino communities i want to clarify. in no way did i mean to suggest

the african-american community is a monolith. throughout my career i've witnessed the diversity of thought, background and commitment. my commitment to you is this, i will always listen, i will never stop fighting for the african-american community and i will never stop fighting for a more equitable future. donald trump throwing all the spaghetti at the wall. this morning, taking to twitter saying, biden is no longer worthy of the black vote after yesterday attempting a puzzling attack on biden's faith. saying biden is against god and will hurt the bible. that already happening when trump did it. trump suggesting biden is a

godless racist. >> will you ask god for forgiveness? >> i'm not sure i have, i just try to do a better job from there. i don't think so. if i do something wrong, i think i try to make it right. i don't bring god into that picture. i don't. >> when i talk about the bible, it's very personal. >> when you hold up a bible and nobody loves the bible more than i do, when you hold up a bible you don't then put it down and going around lying and doing things that are wrong. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> i don't know anything about david duke, okay? i don't even know what you're talking about with white supremacy. you wouldn't want me to condemn a group that i know nothing about. he's mexican, he's giving us unfair rulings.

look at my african-american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> so that guy, that guy is calling his opponent joe biden a godless racist. president of the national action network, the friend reverend al sharpton is here. >> where do you start? you know, first of all, i give credit to joe biden for saying he misspoke and apologized for what he said. as you know, i host a syndicated radio show every day. i raise the question most question said that i accept his apology. some said i think he was misunderstood. no one condemned him, and i had barbara lee on the show, and she didn't. we're talking about a president

that we don't even have to go back to the reel you ran of statements down through the last three years, just a couple weeks ago, was defending confederate statues, saying that this is our heritage. here is the president of the united states defending people that the only reason they're in history, they were there defending the enslavement of black people and killed military people of this country in order to do that. now, he defends confederates and then at the same time he's going to call joe biden a racist? the vice president of the only black president in the history of this country who donald trump said is not really an american, he was born out of -- in africa, and he had a birth certificate to prove it that he's never delivered on. it's ludicrous. i think these kinds of desperate attempts by donald trump is showing that he's really afraid he's going to lose.

and i think that fear is well founded. >> i mean, let's just stipulate this, donald trump is so far down the path of carrying out the white nationalist agenda. making the confederacy great again is his 2020 slogan. let's look at this as the political scam it might be. if you put this together with gop efforts to get kanye on the ballot. even donald trump may know, if you're asking a question about race, he loses a million gazillion to one. what do you think the more sort of cynical play is here, in terms of maybe suppressing the vote or just raising enough doubts to dampen enthusiasm for joe biden. >> i think the cynical play is suppression to get people not to turn out.

i don't believe donald trump believes a sizable portion of blacks will vote for him. if he can dampen the turnout and the attempts to change voting districts and all, which is why we hope to pressure the pass the john lewis voting rights act. i don't think he thinks there will be a movement toward him, he's trying to suppress the movement that is apparently there for joe biden. >> i want to share a gaffe prone president. george w. bush, his detractors were irredeemable. but the supporters was baked in the cake that he sometimes misspoke. he said obgyn's want to spread their love with women

everywhere. he would come back on air force one and -- how did i do? we're like, oh, god. the voters who were available to us did not hold that against him because it was baked in. i wonder if that dynamic exists for joe biden or if it you think this is a new moment with twitter and cable they're going to be whacked around for any mistake. >> americans generally know joe biden for decades. they certainly have known him for the last decade as vice president. he's the guy that got caught with one of the most profane words when he and president obama got the affordable care act passed. we're used to him saying things that may not be the right word at the right time or even appropriate. we're up against a man that not only says things, he advocates things. there's a difference in saying

something that's insensitive and defending the confederates. saying there are nice people on both sides of an anti-semitic march, and defending a confederate general statue. we're not talking about a misspeak here, we're talking about an advocate defending those in this country's history that were white supremacists and wanted to enforce slavery. >> tweeting last week to suburban housewives, he'll keep their suburbs less diverse. >> won't let affordable housing people come into your neighborhood which is text bhook racism. the price of your house will go down, crime will go up, they'll be grabbing your daughters, textbook racism. the problem is, his bio says that he was sued by the federal

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the election interference we told you about earlier in the show. kremlin linked operatives are working to help trump get re-elected to denigrate joe biden in his candidacy. we don't have any sound effects any more, in the time of the pandemic. his former partner in all things politics, paul begala is here. he's the author of the new book, you're fired. the perfect guide to beating donald trump. because you're two of the smartest political folks i know, i wanted to get your thoughts on the difference between what we know and what has been made public. the known known from the u.s. intelligence community that is it is specifically to aid donald

trump and denigrate joe biden. is it different than the way the intel was handled four years ago, when it was briefed to mitch mcconnell and other senate leaders? they made sure it didn't get out? republicans did? >> go ahead, james, you first. >> first, thank you for putting the band back together, nicole. >> sure. >> we've been best friends for. years. and just -- i don't go on tv with him any more, we work at different places. >> well, pick this up then paul. what is the difference. i guess i keep thinking, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. we know russia wants trump to win and we have a good idea why. >> what do we do with that? i do think that democrats need to talk about it, they need to make sure voters know.

explain why. russia is not our friend, russia is our enemy. john mccain called what russia did in the last election an act of war, in researching this for the book, general mark hertling compared what happened in the election, russia's invasion of us he compared it to 9/11, to pearl harbor. there's no doubt that russia wants trump to win. and in researching this, i found trump attacking everybody, right? obviously senator mccain, even attacked the pope. he's never uttered a critical word of vladimir putin and when he's paying terrorist bounties to murder our troops. there's no doubt russia wants this. the question is do our troops want putin's puppet to be

leading him. do the citizens want a russian puppet in the white house any longer? >> there's not much left on vladimir putin's honey do list on donald trump. reducing troops in germany. donald trump worked to block sanctions passed by the senate almost unanimously. he has put the policy behind the sweet nothing's that paul begala describes. what is left to achieve. donald trump has gone so far in putting policy preferences that aid russia behind the affinity that he often voices. >> first of all, i got to correct paul. we met labor day 1981, and i think that's 39 years, paul. >> you guys are like the bickersons, the long married couple. >> the best thing that we can do to combat vladimir putin is make

sure that funding for the postal service and funding for elections is in this stimulus bill. that is our number one job right now. putin is going to do everything he can, we know that. he did in 2016 because we were asleep at the switch. we're no longer asleep. we're on. but the single most important thing is to get this funding, and to get -- it's not just about how to defeat trump. there's political wisdom in there for every senate candidate, state legislative candidate. there's real wisdom in this book and everybody involved in the cycle needs to get this and understand the real issues that affect the american people. >> i want to ask you what you think the true state of the coalition is. you mentioned four star generals. secretary mattis came out and compared trump's tactics after the lafayette square clearing to

nazi like tactics of division. general hayden is also another former senior intelligence official who called the russian attack on our democracy a 9/11. do you think the attacks from general milli who is still in the military, also came out and apologized and parted ways with donald trump's tactics? do you think all this has eaten away at his coalition and his support among military families? >> he has lost the generals. at least the retired ones. he hasn't taken a political stance, nor should he. general james clapper, with whom you served, he served in the bush administration. has been targeted by trump for vicious attacks. it is unprecedented. trump seems to be drilling down on the white nationalist base. i don't think that's a winning strategy. it's certainly not worthy of a great country. but that is his strategy, and at the same time, the same time,

he's sucking up to the white nationalists, he's trying to call joe biden a racist. it seems to be based on grievance. he really appeals to grievance. i think democrats need to listen to that pain. there's a lot of really good people who voted for donald trump. a lot of them. and they have a lot of pain, they still do. democrats need to go to them, farm foreclosures are at a record high. farm bankruptcies are at a record high. folks who supported trump thinking he would change things, he would get them this perfect health care plan he promised. now he's in court trying to take away their health care. democrats need to make the case to parts of the trump coalition. biden is peeling off some of trump's supporters, which i think is great. >> when you put the band back together. you have to have the wisdom to keep them around for a while. they're not going anywhere. we have to sneak in a quick break. we'll be right back. >> i came home and my wife diane

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i want to ask you a question, james, about hope. michelle obama said in a pod cast interview with michelle norris, she was experiencing low grade depression. which opened the flood gates for people to say me too. where does hope figure in to this upcoming election? >> i completely understand where the former first lady is coming from. we're 80% off track right now. 80% of the people are at some level -- obama, anyone, people like that see that what we're going through, the truth of the matter is, we have a change election coming up, we have to hang in there until november, we have to get the post office funded. the secretaries of state funded.

the country is going to vote for change. particularly if they read paul's book, read it up and down. we have to stay focused on the things that matter to people. people are strug iling out there, struggling with health care, paychecks. struggling with children that are at home. they don't know if they'll be able to go to school. it's a difficult time in the united states. i understand what mrs. obama is saying, we have to put all our hopes into bringing change november 3rd. >> let me read some of the book. this chapter will beat trump, i guarantee. when republicans try to cut medicare, medicaid and social security and democrats call them on it, democrats win. they cut, we protect, we win. that's how you do it people. you say it early and often. set a buzzer on your apple watch that goes off early and often. when it goes off, repeat trump

wants to cut medicare, medicaid and social security. >> covid has changed everything p.m. and in fact, i think this is the first book written since the pandemic. my two projects which kept me going through this low grade depression we're all suffering. i wrote a book and i grew a beard. you knew me when i had the red beard. >> i like the beard. and i'm not a universal fan of beards. but you wear it well. >> but so -- yes, i do think covid changes everything. can you imagine that during a pandemic, 4 million people have gotten sick in this country. mr. trump is in court trying to take their health care away. he's trying to take away the affordable care act. when i was researching this book i found.

do you know how many americans have pre-existing conditions? 129 million of us. being a woman is considered a pre-existing condition for which they can jack up your rates or deny you coverage. the notion that anyone would do that ever is appalling, but in the middle of a pandemic, when people are hurting, are vulnerable, losing their jobs and with that their health care, we're really going to go to court to take away protections against pre-existing conditions? democrats i think can run on that. >> paul, what do you think has stayed the same? i thought i understood campaigns. i was a student of the campaigns you both ran. and then in 2016 i was pretty sure i no longer understood campaign or politics or at least republican ones. is it the same in that relating to the problems of people like me and being a strong leader are the two axis along which people select presidents? if it is, then that explains

where donald trump is so far behind. he's demonstrated neither. especially over the last five months. >> i think that's right. i think it's part of what i got wrong in 2016. help take it off of that track. i track. i didn't mean to. all that blah, blah, blah i didn't make it about voter's lives. i made it about trump which every narcissist wants, they want attention. it was districting when he assaulted john mccain. we lost the governor of indiana and before that a p.o.w. with senator mccain. attacking p.o.w.s is awful and bragging about assaulting women is awful. i made ads on that but what i didn't do is talk about medicare, medicare, social security, health care, jobs, people's lives. i got distracted. so i think the politics that you and i and james believe in is about making people's lives better and making this country

freer, fairer, richer, safer. that still applies and in 2016 we got off track and i do bear my responsibility for that. it's part of the reason i wrote this book. >> paul, tell us where to buy the book. i made the mistake of not reminding people to go to their independent small bookstores, of course, that's where you should go first. tell us where to find it. >> i did a great one, the great d.c. independent bookstore. it is published by simon sustr who has been great to me. i'm standing on street corners handing this out in front of james' house. >> if i didn't have this show, i would be standing on the street corner shouting the news. paul, his side kick, friend, lifelong friend james. pleasure to talk to both of you about all things. congratulations on the book, paul and thanks for spending time with us. we'll sneak in our last break. we'll be right back. ast break. we'll be right back.

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welcome to friday, it is "meet the press" daily, i'm katy tur in for chucked to. seeking to disrupt the election from the office of the director of national intelligence. we'll have more on that developing story in just a moment, but let us begin with the other breaking news this afternoon. white house and democratic negotiators have failed to reach a deal in coronavirus relief talks and the president is at his golf resort right now readying a series of executive actions to by