welcome to friday, it is "meet the press" daily, i'm katy tur in for chucked to. seeking to disrupt the election from the office of the director of national intelligence. we'll have more on that developing story in just a moment, but let us begin with the other breaking news this afternoon. white house and democratic negotiators have failed to reach a deal in coronavirus relief talks and the president is at his golf resort right now readying a series of executive actions to by pass congress.

it has been a very busy if not a very productive day on capitol hill after meeting again this afternoon for the 11th time, negotiators don't seem anywhere close to a deal. they told reporters that they were at a standstill before today's talks and they told reporters virtually the same thing after today's talks. >> i will once again make the offer we'll come down a trillion, you go up a trillion and we'll be within range of each other but again, this is a very different set of values across the table. >> she said you guys need to come up a trillion dollars. is that a non-starter for you? >> that's a none starter. >> it was a disappointing meeting. we reiterated in very strong terms our offer. >> i said come back when you're ready to give a higher number. >> unfortunately, we did not make any progress today. we discussed the same issues. >> they can't come up with any significant cuts in their bill.

what they want is a $2.5 trillion blank check. >> the white house says it has offered concessions to democrats on issues ranging from unemployment benefits to funding for the post office but democrats said no. >> we've offered $105 billion for children to attend school. the democrats said that's not enough. $915 billion for state and local, that's where they were two weeks ago. today, they're at $915 billion. >> you've had hours of negotiation mad dam speaker and still no deal -- >> no -- >> did you over play your hand and leverage? >> no, we didn't. >> did you over play your hand? >> we haven't. this is life and death. this is lives of the american people, livelihood in terms of their economic success and life

of our democracy. >> meanwhile, the president is vowing to use his executive authority to unilaterally do what congress has not, cut payroll taxes, extent eviction protections and enhance unemployment benefits among other things. democrats are warning that such action is both insufficient and legally questionable. right now, it strangely feels like there is a lack -- i'm sorry, there is a bizarre lack of real urgency in washington on this issue which is remarkable because of the numbers you're seeing on your screen right now. 1,000 deaths a day, 300,000 are expected to have died by december 1st, tens of millions are unemployed. the recovery is losing steam and the election is in less than 90 days. joining me now from new jersey where president trump is spending the day is nbc's kelly o'donnell. leeann caldwell is on capitol hill with the latest on the

relief package talks and white house correspondent for pbs news hour and an msnbc contributor and stephanie ruhle, anchor of the 9:00 a.m. hour here on msnbc. kelly o'donnell, the president is at bedminster and rallying executive orders. what are they and does he have the authority to extend things he wants to extend? he doesn't have the power of the purse? >> reporter: katy, those are good questions because it's unclear what lanes the president can fill to address these needs. maybe the simplest would be rent protections and protection against eviction through the powers that come from an agency like housing and urban development that does not relate directly to taxes. that kind of an area can be something where the president might be able to use some authority. the office of legal counsel

inside the white house, the counsel's office able to try and find pathways for the president but we don't have any guidance yet on what that would exactly look like. one of the problems is that it is very clear under the constitution that dealing with anything that relates to spending money or taxes has to come from congress. so the president has a real pension for mentioning the payroll tax cut, which he believes would be a way by stripping that back to put more money into the economy. now, if you don't have a job currently, that would not be helpful. for those under employed or families that might have one member of the family who is working and another who is unemployed, they might get some benefits there. but can the president do that given the fact that that is not a function of the executive branch? so those are real questions. we have been told by mark meadows, the chief of staff in recent days that one area where the money has run out, where they could not move funds around from other parts, if you will,

with respect to the federal enhanced unemployment insurance, the $600 figure weekly that had expired a week ago, there is a lot of debate between the negotiators of the top four negotiators who have been doing these meetings about where that number should fall. nancy pelosi and chuck schumer want to keep it at 600. the white house is trying to pull it back to make it more of a representation of replacement of income, which for many americans it would not even be sufficient to do that or for some americans on the lower end of the pay and earning scale, that $600 might be more than they are taking home and that's what republicans have argued they want to remove. they want to disincentivize making that more lucrative than actual work. so the president has said he wants to do something, and often what the president does is gets out the pen and even if those things are not necessarily mechanisms that are that useful

and sometimes they are questionable legally but there can be a lawsuit to follow, which the president is certainly not shying away from. it might be a way for him to put his imprint on this through many of these many hours of talks. katy? >> well, he's trying to put his imprint on it through twitter and just tweeted a moment ago, the democrats only want bailout money for blue states. he says we are going a different way. so lee ann caldwell, was mark meadows not in the initial round of talks of relief packages passed for both houses of congress and insoed signed by t president. is mark meadows the road block? >> reporter: well, mark meadows is the factor that is different from previous negotiations and let's look at mark meadows in his previous life. he was a member of congress and a tea party platform.

he was usually the person who was in the room to block any sort of negotiations, any sort of big government spending so that the fact that he is in the room trying to negotiate a one, two, $3 trillion piece of legislation is mind boggling within itself. he is always the one who has been the most pessimistic throughout this entire process and i have to say that i was under counting the amount of influence he has in this process throughout thinking that mnuchin had always been more positive they would get a deal, so is schumer and pa lol seelopelosi. meadows was always saying it's a waste of time and not going to happen but he's extremely close to the president and he seems to have the president's ear on this. now, as far as asked about the state and local funding and the president tweeted about that,

this is something that has been a major sticking point. he asked the democrats what $915 billion, the republicans say that they have -- they started their offer at zero. they are now at about $150 billion, but that still is so far apart, and then when you counter that with the fact they can't even come to a top line number, katy, forget the details. if one party is at $1 trillion, the other party is $3.4 trillion and they can't even agree on what number to start at, the details don't really matter. it was a day on capitol hill that produced absolutely no results and there are no plans at this point for them to come back and just keep negotiating. each side says if the other side is willing to break on what their hard line is, maybe we'll start talking again but that's not the case at this point, katy. >> you mentioned mark meadows and talking about how as part of the tea party doesn't like the

deficit. mark meadows voted for the president's tax bill back at the end of, i believe, 2017, which led to a pretty steep increase in the deficit. the cbo has just said this year that trump's tax plan, his tax bill that was passed continues to lead to trillion dollar deficits. so that's still adding onto the deficit. i wonder why this thing is a sticking point and on that, with the white house preparing these executive orders they might not have the legal authority to do, are they trying to play a political game with the democrats by saying if you try to push me on this and my ability to do this, you're the ones that are actually responsible for not getting money into the hands of the american people? are they trying to do a bait and switch with the democrats? >> well, the democrats think that's what they are trying to do, they think the president is trying to move forward with the

executive action. the executive action we're not sure including the white house whether or not he legally has the authority to do but the president is eager to say look, i'm trying to do the best i can and help people out in the middle of a pandemic and as a result, i'll try to go at it alone and do executive orders. the president had been on the sideline for a long time but yesterday call thread tiles mark meadows while meeting with the democrats. you see the president trying to hone in and trying to look as if he's not middle of the negotiations. he has always been represented by steve mnuchin and mark meadows. the president in someways made a habit of passing executive odd -- orders. sometimes they have teeth, sometimes they don't. the president wants to emerge on monday or tuesday and say this is what i did as the white house to help people out during a pandemic and democrats are still not being serious. that's the messaging out of the white house. the democrats say the president doesn't even have the authority to do some of the things he wants to do and two, republicans don't really have in their

hearts, the idea they need to take care of people the most vulnerable during a real crisis in america. >> stephanie, it seems like there is not a real urgency among some on capitol hill to get something done, potentially someone in the white house to help americans. what i was just mentioning on the deficit, that comes from a forbes article talking about the president's tax bill. you follow this so closely. you know what people are going through. you know how the deficits work. to have mark meadows and the republicans say that we're worried about adding to the deficit with more money going back to americans who need it and remember a payroll tax cut as kelly pointed out at the top of the show would only go to those who still have a job. there are 30 million americans collecting unemployment insurance as of last month. the monthly jobs report came out today. what does it mean to not get this money back into the ahands of americans and economy immediately, quickly? >> okay. first of all, katy, let's take a

beat for one second and say how awesome it is this segment is five women and two of us are located in new jersey right now. so that's double win. but moving forward, mark meadows, are you kidding me talking about the deficit? republicans love to talk about how much they care about the deficit and the truth is your average voter out there, you ask them the u.s. deficit they couldn't get within a gazillion. republicans like to say it matters to them. it doesn't matter when the president had a big corporate tax cut and we heard from gary cone to the both who said we didn't make that -- we did not need to make that corporate tax cut as big as we did and it is laughable the president continues to talk about this payroll tax cut. and again, this is all about money. the president continues to tweet how important it is to reopen schools. here is the big catch. you cannot reopen and reconfigure schools without real dollars. the teachers union has said it would take about $116 billion to

reconfigure schools. thus far the federal government has set aside $13 billion. if they want to do that, they need to spend the money, and this narrative people aren't going back to work because they are making just so much darn money, sure, that might be the case for a small portion of people, but let's not forget, if kids do have to stay home, well then working families, working parents have to stay home with them. if people have jobs that don't provide health insurance or to those republicans who want to give businesses a liability shield so you hold no accountability if your employee gets sick, if you're a, working parent, you're going to say i can't go to work because i need to stay healthy for my children. so this all goes back to money, and to share it's only the democrats, it's only republicans, the only way you're going to solve this for the american people is a financial cushion to give support and safety so they can go on and lead healthy safe lives.

>> and economists said it's been the thing stimulus, the extra benefit in the unemployment insurance is the thing that's kept the economy from cratering even further. the president is on the golf course going to fundraisers and not actively involved in the negotiations and departmentized his chief of staff. does he not feel like he needs to be involved to get something done and rally republicans behind him? because remember, republicans were the ones that were having a hard time getting on the same page to present a full package to the democrats who have had a deal on the table for a couple months now? >> well, of course, critics of the president would say this is a president who is more interested in his reelection campaign than in being actively involved in the negotiations. the president would take issue with that. what is clear the president has been traveling around the country to make campaign style speeches just this week while

the president is thinking through kind of where to go next and doing it alone and really, the heart of this is happening on capitol hill and the president while calling it is not actively involved in that. what we see from the president is someone who really ran and campaigned as a deal maker and doesn't want to be associated with a deal that just is simply not working out. both parties have clearly made it clear that they have things they want and they're not able to come together so i think what you're seeing is the president trying to protect his brand a bit here and saying look, i don't want to be associated with this but as we all know, the buck stops largely with the president. he's going to have to be the one that says look, the american people, we didn't come up with this and my government is the one that's not able to provide that for you. >> steph, go ahead. we got to make it quick. >> the reason that $600 matters so much, retail sales went back

up. consumer spending went right back into the economy as opposed to the corporate tax cut in hiring and increasing wages. last i checked, one out of every five people just got a wage cut. >> stephanie ruhle making a very good point. stephanie, thank you. lee an caldwell, kelly o'donnell and awesome four-some of women, i'll include myself, five-some. revolutions from a top int intelligence official that says who can pose election problems. we got the former director of the cia john brenham joining us and new york governor andrew cuomo says his state is going back to school, but what is being done to keep students and teachers and staff safe? and will it be enough? staff sa? and will it be enough? when our daughter and her kids moved in with us... kids, bedtime! ...she was worried we wouldn't be able to keep up. course we can. what couldn't keep up was our bargain detergent. turns out it's mostly water,

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released publicly whattest be hn telling lawmakers about other country's influence of the 2020 election. during an assessment released while it would quote be difficult for adversaries to manipulate voting results, many have a preference for who wins the election. china does not want president trump to win reelection. they see him as unpredictable while russia somewhat predictably does and actively taking measures to disp dispara biden and his campaign. iran wants to divide the country. former cia director john brenham will join me in a second but first, ken delaneyen. getting into the semantics of the statement, did you read

anything into china doesn't like president trump, they believe that he is unpredictable and they are saying that out loud versus russia, which is taking active measures to undermine the election. >> i think you've got to the heart of it, katy. this is why some democrats are criticizing this statement. they say it's an improvement over the one that bill of the counter intelligence executive made two weeks ago. in this statement, they are explicitly saying russia is trying to help trump. i'm not aware any trump appointee said that before in stark terms. we should give them credit for that. at the same time what democrats are saying is that china is not the same as russia when it comes to election interference and the fact that this statement puts china first before russia and points out that china prefers trump not be reelected is probably the position of many governments around the world, katy. what my sources tell me is russia is the only country actively trying to interfere in the american presidential election and they're doing so on

social media and have cyber capabilities and this statement plainly says kremlin linked actors are using russia state television to boost trump's canada sca candidacy and using anti trump propaganda. so, russia interfering this statement tries to suggest that china is on par with that and that's why some democrats are criticizing it. >> help us understand the part that you just mentioned there. trying to tear down biden through intermediaries in ukraine, how does rudy giuliani fit into that and how does the republican investigation into hunter biden and joe biden fit into that? >> so, surprisingly, bill in the statement mentions specifically this ukraine parliament who is viewed as prorussia trying to sort of foment these conspiracy theories biden is involved in corruption in russia and met

with the president's personal lawyer rudy ghoul yoon kniulian johnson who has been trying to investigate these matters has tried to publicize his claims and talked about getting him in front of the committee even though he's warned that this person is if not a russian agent, acting certainly to further russian propaganda and he doesn't explicitly say look, these corruption blames are bogus but russian election interference here is this trump appointee saying the russians want you to believe biden is corrupt and that's part of the propaganda. >> ken, thank you very much. with me now is john brennan and msnbc senior national security and intelligence analyst. so john, thanks for being here. are ken and i reading this correctly the semantics that china doesn't like the president and is being vocal about it while russia is actively

pursuing a way to undermine our elections? is it fair to see it as a -- as kind of a semantics hand? >> first of all, katy, i'm glad the intelligence committee put out the statement. this is something we long encouraged the intelligence committee to do to update the public about efforts to interfere in the election. number two, bill is a professional. he's been working counter intelligence for many years not as though he's a lackey of the trump administration. so he is somebody who has a lot of respect within the counter intelligence community and stands behind the words in that statement. these statements are very tough to craft because it's difficult to be able to explain exactly what the foreign countries are doing without being seen as getting involved in domestic u.s. politics. you know, you can quibble about the language in there. couple things that struck me, one, there seems to be a lack of parallel between the statement on china and russia.

china prefers trump not win the election. russia doesn't say the preference but trying to generate former vice president biden and china and russia have probably the most capable cyber, you know, capabilities in the world in terms of trying to interfere in the u.s. critical infrastructure including the election infinfrastructure. so it's important those two have private place on this statement. iran and the united states right now are engaged in quite a bit of, you know, back and forth in terms of tensions between the two countries. the iran statement does seem to be a bit speculative when it says iran probably will try to use online opportunities to try to sew divisions within the united states. they are trying to do what the american people expect them to do, try to explain exactly what foreign countries are doing to try to interfere in this upcoming presidential election.

>> is our government doing enough to protect us from that? >> well, that's the good question and i think professionals are trying. the professionals at the fbi and cia and nsa and others are. i'm hoping they get the encouragement from the political leaders of the country including the white house to make sure they uncover and identify any attempts whether it's influence operations or actual attempts to try to hurt the election itself in terms of trying to prevent going to the polls. i'm confident that at least professionals out there recognize that this most fund mental of our democratic institutions needs to be thought out without any type of foreign interference whatsoever. >> the statement says it would be very hard for foreign countries to tamper with the results of the election. can we remain confident they wouldn't be able to get into, if

not a voting booth, then a voter role? a lot of these are stored on secretary of state servers. they are stored in a way that potentially could be hacked. >> look, i think you know and most listeners know that the voting mechanisms and responsibilities are really in the preserve of the individual states. the federal government tried to help states over the years and i hope the states are taking advantage of federal assistance. but some of the systems are vulnerable to some type of, you know, interference whether it be to try to disable voter regulation roles the day of the election or before hand and try to create some type of havoc. although there is a statement that says it's difficult to do this, certainly is difficult to do it on a large scale, i think there are vulnerabilities in the system that we need to make sure that we're trying to address and we're not going to leave any hoping for a foreign actor or

domestic from getting into the voting systems. it's critically important the i.t. specialist and others and the government officials at the state and federal and local levels are working on this problem together and in a manner that really ensures that the outcome of this election truly is going to represent the will of the american people. >> so the way that we know russia operated last time, one of the big ways was by sewing discord on social media and there is tons of reporting they are still doing it and didn't stop after 2016. facebook and twitter and other social media sites have taken some measures to try to push back. they're still out there, though. what can americans do to individually protect themselves from being unduly finfluenced b russian misinformation? >> i think this is the challenge

of the next decade for government officials and for our technologiests out there and social media companies. it is so easy to be able to operate with some false persona in that cyber digital environment and therefore russia with sophisticated cyber abilities as well as china can misrepresent themselves in social media as being americans and trying to ferment problems in our country by trying to advance their own interest under the guides of an american per perso persona. this is something the government has to come to terms with and i hope we don't have another 9/11 type of digital cyber attack before we're able to address it. we need to find a way to ensure that we maintain our privacy and civil liberties while at the same time trying to ensure that the digital domain is not going to be exploited and manipulated

by these bad about tors w actor going to try to undermine our life. the russians and chinese and iranians and others will take advantage of the freedom and liberty we relish in the united states. this is something i think parties and americans need to think how we'll try to address these challenges in this digital environment in the 21st century. >> >> one more because you used to be the director of the cia and politico reported the cia has been hesitant or ignored requests part of the gop investigations to brief them on the investigations that target joe biden and his son hunter biden. sources telling them they see senator johnson as toxic. is that something that would happen in the cia where they would ignore requests to brief because of a feeling that an

investigation is too politically focused? >> the cia and intelligence community have become the political football during these very, very tense political periods. i know the cia and when i was there, i was concerned how partisanship was seeping into the intelligence community environment from the standpoint of the oversight communities of congress. i must tell you listening to some of the congressional hearings, i do believe that there is a very toxic partisan environment right now and unfortunately and i think a lot of the members, the republican party, have really opted to use their positions in congress to advance partisan interests and including very, very sensitive intelligence oversight committees like homeland security and judiciary and i'm hoping that the cia is going to fulfill the obligations to keep

the congress fully and duly informed but the same time, the cia has to be careful about not being pulled into a partisan environment where they're going to be exploited for individual personal, political, partisan agenda agendas. >> john brennan, thank you for joining us. we appreciate all of your expertise on topics like this. >> thanks, katy. with me now is congressman of illinois a member of the intelligence committee. congressman, thank you very much for joining us. >> i'm glad they additional information. the way it was structured makes it look like all three countries have equal capabilities, are undertaking equal amounts of effort to interfere in our

elections and without going into specific details, i'm hopeful they continue to provide more information so members of congress and public and american people can protect against further interference in this election. >> what is congress doing or planning to do to act on this? >> well, we're going to continue to talk to the agencies and the intelligence community that have direct knowledge and do everything they can to police against what is happening. in addition, we have to make sure our social media platforms are safeguarded from disinformation efforts by these powers and others and we have to provide vital election security assistance to the states and local jurisdictions that are

conducting these elections. you asked about whether our e lex -- election infrastructure is safe under attack. the russians performed a successful fishing effort on our data bases with regard to volter roles and so this is something that is of grave concern coming up in the elections of 2020 and we have to do whenever we can to protect against this type of interference happening again. >> on the congressional negotiations for another relief bill, things are stalled. it doesn't seem like there is any end in sight or compromise in sight. what are you hearing? >> i'm not hearing differently than what you heard. i heard pelosi is making strong efforts to compromise and i heard she went in with another

offer today with regard to the size of the package that we would like to see, however, it was not met with an acceptable response from the other side. it's not clear the other side even wants to do a deal. leader mcconnell has said that he might not even be able to deliver 20 votes for any deal of any spending of any kind. when you have that situation, it's difficult to get to a deal. i had a town hall meeting on tuesday where 2,000 people were on the line and the vast majority of the callers, katy were telling me that they last their jobs, their businesses had lost almost all their revenue and they desperately, desperately want a stimulus deal now. >> let's talk about the evaluate act you introduced yesterday. there is asking for oversight, congressional oversight over any

vaccines that are developed. what are you looking for? >> well, we all want a vaccine asap but it has to be safe and effective and the american people have to trust it. it turns out there is an outside advisory committee that's already been set up by the fda that's been around for 40 years that we are proposing as part of the legislation must be consulted for purposes of vetting and approving a vaccine and the reason is to make sure the vaccine is safe and effective and that the american people trust it. because if they don't, not enough people will get vaccinated to achieve heard immunity, katy. >> congressman, thank you so much for joining us, sir. appreciate all of your time and ahead, new york is getting ready to send children back to school but are schools ready and how about the rest of the country? first up, if you're a school parent or teacher, "meet the

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welcome back. a major milestone for new york once the epicenter of the coronavirus in america. andrew cuomo authorized schools to reopen for in person learning siting the state's low infection rate. whether schools do reopen and if so, how is up to local officials and super inthe deninten dents new york city and more than a million students. joining me now is dr. jah, the director of the harvard global

health institute. thank you for being here. good idea? bad idea to open schools for in person learning here in new york city? >> i think largely a good idea, katy. look, the biggest determination if it's safe to open schools is the amount of community transmission and new york has done a fabulous job bringing the level of virus in the community way down. that isn't enough. schools have to have good ventilation, i would encourage people to have classes outside. there is a lot more we can still do but obviously, everybody should be waeshiearing a mask a kids back into school in new york. >> and school outside won't always be possible and there are a lot of ventilation issue last year leaving windows and when i looked to israel, they have their infection rate down significantly very, very small

infection rate. they reopened schools and exploded and the country at the same time. is that what happened? it the schools or reopening of everything else? >> you know, so there are a lot of experiences with schools. if you look at other european countries, they reopened schools with low infection rates. i'm not suggesting new york open bars and schools like there is no pandemic. if new york focuses on schools, the reason schools are important, they have a massive benefit for kids and working parents and whereas i don't recommend it for large parts of the country, i do think new york is at a point where they could do it and even if the weather gets cold and they can't keep windows open forever, if we could get in person instruction for a few months it would be great.

>> let's talk about the rapid test. we had an issue with governor a dewine having a rapid test that was positive and today one was negative. do you trust it? >> we're in a funny period in the company. we're relying on pcr tests that take like ten days or two weeks to come back. there is very good evidence the rapid tests, if we can employ them and have them available wide wide widely can make a very, very big difference and get people results back quickly. in terms of governor dewine, i'm puzzling over what happened with him. we don't know which one is more reliable for him and that's why i think it's important you continue to quarantine and get retested again in the next day or so. we will see this happen occasionally. none of these tests are perfect but i'd much rather take a test that's quick and can come back

quickly and do on an on going basis will make the country much safer. >> how -- what's the problem with scaling up on this? why can't we -- why don't we have it already? we're six months into the pandemic in this country and supposed to be the most advanced country in the world. >> in lots of ways we are the most advanced buttist co istist we have known about inadequate testing for months. a lot of states can do and localities can do but ultimately, this is a federal problem. the federal government isn't willing to use full powers to scale up testing for the entire country. it's very puzzling. and again, there is obviously lots of debate and some people in the white house clearly believe we should not have too much testing. but at the end of the day without the federal government doing this, we cannot scale up testing at the level we need. i think what a lot of us are working on is a plan b where we

give money to states and let them drive the testing. it's not as good as having a federal plan but can move the ball forward. >> certainly seems like it would take longer especially since it's so hard to get money to states. "the new york times" has a story about dr. debra birx and some of her old colleagues saying she's doing more harm than good now. what's your take on the job she's performing at the white house task force? >> yeah, that -- i'm quoted in that article. i have known dr. birx for a long time and admire her. i think the question she needs to ask herself is she doing more harm than good. it's clear she's not moving the ball forward in a way that would be really important for the american people. that's the question ultimately she can answer. i want to cut her some slack. she's under very difficult

circumstances. i think she's committed to try to get it right. whether she's being effective or not is something she needs to answer and the american people need to answer. >> one last quick question. you talked to dr. fauci today. what was your big take away? >> i did talk to dr. fauci today. two quick take aways, one is he reminded us we're on track for a vaccine but the vaccine is not meaning we can give up on public health measures like mask wearing and a moderate amount of social distancing. the other thing dr. fauci reminded us of is that there is an incredible amount of work happening to get therapeutics and vaccines ramped up. the science here is going at an unbelievable pace. we've never done anything like this. while that is happening, we have to continue to do our part as americans and there is so much we can do to prevent thousands of deaths while we await vaccines and we can't give up on

basic public health measures that are so important. >> the ihme yesterday said 300,000 deaths by december 1st but 70,000 lives could be saved if we just had consistent mask wearing, an important point to remember. dr. jah, thank you very much. still ahead, the reality behind the surge of coronavirus cases behind bars. they cluster of cases in the country and the impact is spreading far behind prison walls. that's next. reading far behind prison walls. that's next. usaa is made for what's next we're helping members catch up by spreading any missed

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welcome back. this week the arizona department of corrections reported that nearly half of the inmates at a tucson area prison have tested positive for the coronavirus. let me say that again. nearly half the population of a single prison, places like jails and nursing homes have tested positive. places like jails and nursing homes where people live and work in tight quarters are incredibly vulnerable to the spread of the virus. according to the marshall project focusing on criminal justice, there have been more than 86,000 cases of covid-19 among prisoners in this country. "the new york times" puts that number at over 100,000. according to the "new york times" list, all of those case clusters are at all ten of the largest clusters at correctional facilities. katie park is one of the journalists who has been reporting on and tracking the outbreak in jails for the

marshall project. she joins us now. thanks for having us. we were talking about jails and prisons during the first wave of this virus, much of it in the northeast. we haven't been talking about it as much. now that there's another spike going through the midwest, the south, places like arizona, we're seeing another spike. how bad is it at correctional facilities right now? >> this week we saw the highest numbers of cases among prisoners since we started tracking the data in march. there were 8,000 new cases in prisons this week bringing the total up to 86,000. we're at a point where people who are incarcerated, in prison, are nearly five times as likely to be infected with the virus as the general population in the u.s. there was also a spike in deaths

last week. the total number of deaths in prisons from complications from covid-19 is about 800. >> so when arizona says there's a prison population that has, that half of which has tested positive for covid-19, is it safe to assume that will get to everybody in that correctional facility? >> well, i think it is, we have seen a lot of the prison systems that have been doing mass testing do see kind of early numbers being pretty small and then spreading rapidly throughout the prison. there are certainly prison conditions are not conducive to conducting social distancing, physical distancing, even having some of the basic access to hygiene. >> soap is lacking in a lot of correctional facilities. across the country, when we're

collecting data on who is affected by this virus, disproportionately, minorities, black americans, brown americans are being affected worse than white americans. are you seeing similar outcomes in prisons? is that data even being collected? >> well, the marshall project asked for a racial breakdown of the covid data that they're seeing in prisons. and the overwhelming majority of states would not give that to us. in some cases, they couldn't give it to us. some state prison agencies just aren't tracking demographic covid data so it is hard to get any kind of comprehensive picture of the role race is playing in covid cases in prison. we can say that in michigan, one of the few states that provided data to us, black people are incarcerated at a disproporti

disproportionately higher rate, and black prisoners who, black prisoners made up a far higher percentage of covid deaths in prison than black residents in the state overall. >> how much does this stay within the prisons? because there are correctional officers in the prisons, people cycling in and out of the prison, that it is spreading out into the community? >> it's easy to think of prisons being closed systems but that's not the case. for example, san quenin in california recently saw a major outbreak after people were transferred in from another facility. of course staff are at great risk of contracting the virus. because they're moving in and out of prisons, they move between the prison facilities and the outside. >> it is not a closed system. we appreciate all your time.

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that will do it for tonight. we'll be back monday with more "meet the press daily." if it's sunday, don't miss chuck on "meet the press" with talks broken down on the coronavirus raging. among his guests will be white house trade director pete navarro and senator dick durbin. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> thank you very much. welcome to "the beat." the trump campaign is under water in the polls and under fire for new evidence of its dirty tricks. 88 days out from the election, domestic brawling, now faces new russian efforts to help trump by denigrating joe biden. that's brand new evidence that shows they would prefer. to force testimony from a veteran of trump's white house