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>> how? a thousand miracles are dying a day. >> it is what it is. they are dying, that's true. >> good morning and welcome to a.m. joy. it is what it is. as an expression, it's certainly a far cry from some of the more memorable and inspirational displays of american leadership. it's effectively a shrug. an oh, well. and it implies that donald trump, the president of these united states didn't actually have the power to prevent the staggering loss of american life from covid-19. earlier this week on sirius xm i spoke to trump's niece about her tell all memory and that specific phrase. >> that phrase, that's a family phrase and so that sends chills down my spine because i've heard that so many times. the example that stands out to
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me because again it was a fairly common phrase, i was talking my uncle rob when i'd been disinherented. i was trying to understand not why, i think that was clear but if there was anything we could do about it. he said during one of our many conversations well, honey bunch, it is what it is. as if he had no power and that it was written in stone. >> the irony of course is that it is what it is is quite the evolution from his remarks at the republican national convention in 2016 where he boasted that it was he and not fate that was in control. >> nobodiy knows the system better than me. which is why i alone can fix it.
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>> trump has been obsessed with projecting strength and power since he began his campaign. but i got to ask, with 160,000 dead americans from a virus that he actively denied for months, does he ever actually wield his power to do anything substantial? perhaps no greater example of trump's pretend use of his power was his surprise press conference last night at his golf club in new jersey where he so graciously gave his followers an opportunity to reflect before their dear leader. on the same day that a jobs report revealed that economic recovery was slowing down and that the u.s. added 3 million less jobs in july than in june, this is what trump had to say. >> you'd need a magic wand to get manufacturing jobs and weir getting them even in a pandemic, which is disappearing. it's going to disappear.
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>> joining me now is ellie masstell, justice correspondent for the nation. and sarah kensador. good morning to all of you all my friends. i'm so happy to chat with you today. these are dangerous times and tara, i want to go to you first because you actually had, you know, front row seat to the president and how he actually does the job that he's supposed to be doing. in your case you were contested on the apprentice. up close, does donald trump do any work or is it all pretend. >> well, i think he does work if it's self-serving as long as he can benefit from it he'll do some work but at the end of the day a lot of what he's doing is smoke and mirrors except for the corruption. he is very devoted as we know, he's very devoted to that work
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and putting in work to take advantage of our system. as he said in that sound you played earlier, no one knows the system better than me. and what he's continued to do since he took office was to exploit that system that he knows so well to benefit himself and to benefit his family. and so i think that democrats need to continue to keep the pressure on. there are lots of ads running but the pressure needs to be on and it needs to focus on a nonstop corruption and it needs to focus on over the fact that over 150,000 people have lost their lives and he said it is what it is. and that sound should be played over and over again juxtaposed to the families and the people that 150,000 people and that number continues to grow every day. >> yeah, i think that's such a good point about the corruption. and sarah, you've been beating this drum from the beginning. i think that you have been almost prophetic in terms of you
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know, how far donald trump and his administration actually try to push the envelope. forget about norms. they don't even think laws are real things, so in terms of, you know, his inability to do the job, but also do it and follow the laws, what types of corruption should we look for as we go forward? because i think we're clear on what has happened up to this point. but with covid going on in the backdrop and him pumping hydroxychloroquine it seems like there's corruption happening now. so in your view, what is the biggest risk right now for corruption as we are dealing with the covid-19 pandemic? >> everything is a risk but the biggest risk the is threat to human life that is caused by his reaction to the coronavirus. this is an extension of the way he's behaved since he took office. he came in to abuse executive
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power, to enhance his personal wealth and he went on to do all the things that an authoritarian leader does. and one thing that makes trump unique because not all authoritarian leaders are the same is his sadism, but it's been pointed out on a number of mental health. this is someone whose gut reactions were my buildings look taller. his reaction to financial crisis is this makes me more money. there are no limits with him. the only thing that will matter are legal consequences. he does not care if he is caught. he cares if he is punished and we have had four years to do
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that and people have failed to do that and now we americans are paying the price. >> that's so scary. he doesn't even care if he gets caught. but i think we've lived through enough examples to say confid t confidently that's true. in terms of the laws though, don't you feel like there are laws that he's violating and who's left to hold donald trump accountable? you know, because i feel like the covid situation is one where if laws don't apply, maybe they should. he's telling kids to go back to school and they could die as a result. is there a law on the books for -- that applies to that behavior? >> if donald trump was the leader of an african nation that white people couldn't pronounce, the international community would be looking into him for crimes against humanity. the international criminal court has a three pronged test to figure out if you have a crime against humanity.
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you have to commit a systemic attack against a population and it's got to be done with knowledge of the attack. i know we all like to pretend that trump is just -- that all these americans are dead because of trump's incompetence and i get -- look, the ignorance of is on our screens every day so it's sa easy to think that he just didn't save american lives but when i read that vanity fair article that jared kushner who believed that people in blue states would die of this disease, what i see is a crime against humanity and what i would like at this point since our american system has completely failed to hold trump accountable in any way, i would like to see the international community start to come in and impose sanctions on our country and seriously think about hauling off some of our corrupt leaders to the hague where they
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belong. >> i want to play a clip of -- i'm going to get your last word in there, of course. i'm going to play a little bit more of the trump conversation i had earlier this week. if folks hadn't read the book, i went into it thinking it was going to be like all the other trump books, what else could i learn about the president, at this point i know what's going on, but she said so many illuminating things in terms of why he is the way he is not the way he's actually doing and she talked about how he specifically was taught in his family that being kind was weakness. let's take a listen to that. >> the problem is how weakness was defined. and weakness was defined by being kind, by admitting mistakes, by apologizing but it
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could be, you know, being sick, being in physical pain, none of these things was tolerated. and in some cases, like many my dad's case i think there were essentially punishable by death. >> tara, she talked about kindness being weakness. admitting mistakes being weakness, being sick is weakness and that is what donald trump learned. that's how he sees the world. in your experience, you know, how did that manifest in how he behaved in your experience? and also, how is that manifesting in how he's acting and handling this crisis? it feels to me that if you have a president that believes kindness is weakness then he's not going to really care very much about the kids and the risks posed to the kids and the parents who are going back to school. >> that's exactly right. and yes, it was basically those personality traits that showed
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the apprentice was built around. i'm embarrassed to say that now looking back with some hindsight, and i will say this. it speaks to a larger issue. donald trump is a reflection of who we are as americans and we have a culture and a society that rewards psychopathic behavior. and i know that's not sort of generally the type of thing that we talk about, but it's something that we should talk about. because it is why donald trump was able to be someone whose tax returns we still haven't seen yet, who's been so lacking in transparency because we know about the corruption. all you have to do is put two and two together with all the documents that we do have, there is a record of corruption and abuse that has gone on in this administration and that went on before he joined this administration. but he was part of a larger cultural sickness where we reward psychopathic behavior. so there needs to be a massive
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pushback against this. if you look at a lot of these ceos and the behavior of a lot of ceos across sectors. people talk about how people are -- have such sharp elbows, but it's something we need to push back against in order to make sure we don't get another donald trump and that we get rid of this donald trump. >> i think that's such a good point. before we go i have one more question, sarah. what keeps you up at night in terms of the risks potentially for donald trump failing to leave the white house between november 3rd and january 20th? we're t no going to know on election night potentially who the victor will be, and so i want to know what keeps you up at night. >> what worries me is violence regarding who is proclaimed the winner that night. i think he will encourage violence. i think there will be violence. there will be protracted legal
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battles and i don't think our government is holding him accountable and prepared really for this outcome. >> yeah, that's a really scary thought. thank you all. coming up, 250,000 americans descend on a town of 7,000 for a mostly mask free biker rally. after the break, science writer lori garrett joins the show. that's coming up next. the show. that's coming up next. this is an athlete, twenty reps deep, sprinting past every leak in our softest, smoothest fabric. she's confident, protected, her strength respected. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. she's confident, protected, her strength respected. ever since darrell's family started using gain flings, their laundry smells more amazing than ever. ah, honey! isn't that the dog's towel?
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earlier this week the nation's top infectious disease doctor anthony fauci warned that there is trouble ahead in the coronavirus pandemic and the numbers back up his claim. there are almost 5 million cases of coronavirus in the united states and more than 160,000 people are dead. and projections say that death
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toll will just get worse. a team at the university of washington now predicts nearly 300,000 people will die of covid-19 by december and this week the u.s. topped 202,000 deaths in 24 hours for the first time in three months. joining me now is lori garrett, a prize winning journalist and science contributor for msnbc and author of the very prophetic book "the coming plague." thank you so much for being here this morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. my dad is a biologist and so i have been a political analyst quarantined with a biologist and the first thing i learned when i came down here to quarantine is to be quiet and to listen to the scientists and so i'm so glad to have you here because i think we're -- we're not doing that in this moment and so when you hear that there's going to be a biker
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rally without masks, what is your reaction to that? >> look, all over the country we have seen people grow weary of lockdowns, weary of taking precautions, sick of their smelly masks, tired of restricting their lives and defiant. coming up with rationales to convince themselves and those around them that somehow it's okay. it's like deciding it's okay to jump off the deck of the ship because the island is closer than you thought and then you drown. we're in a time of tremendous social exhaustion and without the kind of solid consistent leadership and messaging from above whether above is your mayor, your governor or your president, people are making their own personal choices. and a lot of those choices are
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absolutely terrible. it isn't just the sturgis motorcycle quarter million gathering, it's all across the country. it starts with do you invite more than ten people to your vous and you say we can pour the drinks and it will be okay. it goes out to do the bars open, do you begin to have parties on the roof tops and pretty soon you're spreading virus all over the place. i'm so happy to hear that your father is a biologist. that's the first time i'm hearing that about you and that means that you understand what a microbe is and you understand the difference between a bacterium and a virus. but most americans sadly actually don't and they don't understand that antibiotics don't work against viruses, that we have very few drugs that actually effectively treat viral
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infections. for this particular virus we don't have any good drugs at the moment. we have some that may somewhat limit the length of time you're hospitalized if you get severe disease but we don't want you to get severe disease in the first place and where will we find the appropriate treatments to keep you from going down that path? the smart move is don't get infected in the first place. >> that's exactly right. i mean, from the beginning of this pandemic, i had an eepiphany. i realized that i might just have to assume to keep myself safe that everybody has covid. you know, and sort of operate under the the assumption that people have it and protect myself and my family accordingly. so in terms of sort of working from the individual level all the way out to the societal level, as an individual person, if you have kids, if you are thinking about sending them back to school, what can you as an
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individual do depending upon where you live to keep yourself and your family safe since we do not have the government helping us out in this regard? >> well, think about how you phrased that question to begin with. how can we be the most powerful nation on the planet and we have the worst epidemic on the planet and we have the worst epidemic on the planet because as you said, you have to individually make the decisions. the countries that are doing well have all had national centralized government responses coordinated with all of the society responding the same way. instead, each one of us has to sit at home, sift through the internet, sift through whatever news sources we trust and make our own personal judgments about what is safe and what isn't safe. and you are well educated woman with a, you know, a biologist at home and so you can make wise, reasoned decisions which began with you correctly saying let's
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just assume everybody around me is infected or potentially is a carrier that could transmit disease to me. but most americans don't have that luxury. most americans are making knee jerk decisions that shift day by day based on some news report that scares them and then some news report that tells them it's no big deal based on oh, there's hydroxychloroquine, then oh, that's bogus. oh, there's this, oh, there's that. we're being boomeranged around. let me just tell people, here's the way to look at it. this virus is a close cousin to the viruses that give you common colds year in and year out and as you well know, if someone in the household has a cold, it's really darned hard to not get sick yourself and to not have the whole household come down with the cold. if one kid in the classroom is sneezing, it's almost guaranteed that within days, many more kids in that classroom will be sneezing.
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so what does that tell us? it tells us the common cold virus is very, very infectious and that a lot of the basic things that people do to kind of ward off infection don't work. so you have to get tougher. you have to imagine, what if there's a common cold going around except that fit's lethal and it's a common cold virus that is spread all the same ways but even worse, it can be air born in microdroplets that linger in the air space and move around on air currents coming past my nose and then out and past your nose. well, that means you got to wear a mask. that's just common sense. that means you got to wash your hands after you touch a nonfamiliar surface. that's just common sense. and that means that everybody in your household has to not share towels, not share moist surfaces or implements of any kind. that's just common sense. and if we can't have common sense reign, if we're going to
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defy just the clearest simplest messages then we're going to be facing this virus for a very long time and the economic consequences of it. you can't rebel over the economic consequences. you can't say, darn it, i want my money back. i want my job back. if the community spread rate is above 5% in your town, you have to see it all as a single package and it begins with you wearing the darned mask and taking common sense precautions. >> you've been so prophetic on this topic. obviously you wrote a book in the 1990s predicting a lot of what's happening now. in terms of your biggest fear, because it doesn't look like we're going to get the federal leadership, so we have many months until that's even possible where we would have a new person in place to change the policies.
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i guess scare me for a second. what's your biggest fear between now and january in terms of the impact of covid-19. >> i don't want to be a fear monger. i'm trying to state truth. of course the problem when you get labeled a cassandra, nobody liked cassandra, they brutalized her. when she said that trojan horse has greek soldiers in it and they're going to kill us, the whole town of troy told her to shut up. and so at the risk of being treated like cassandra, let me put it to you this way. i've been saying since february that we're going to be in a 36-month haul on this. i now think it's going to be worse than that. i've been saying since early may that we would be looking at 200,000 dead americans before labor day and unfortunately, i think we're headed right there right on target. and that, as you've heard from the university of washington
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could add another 100,000 by december actually at the rate of increase now going to 2,000 a day dead, if we jump to 2,500 a day dying in america, just do the math. count how many days are there between now and the national election? and you get to really terrible toll of well over a quarter million americans perishing before we get some kind of coherent response. i think when you look at it globally, what you're seeing is that many countries that have done the right thing, brought their epidemics way down to single digit deaths a day as we have done here in new york city, have suffered resurgence because of visitors coming from the outside in. so no country is an island except the ones that are actually islands. new zealand for example but we live in a totally interconnected
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world and even the island nations can't remain separated from the rest of the world for long. we all need supplies. we need trade. we need movement. so what we have to be prepared for is a virus that is going to be among us for a very, very long time. it is best to assume that this is a new permanent feature in the human landscape and that means that we have to come up with policies and responses that are very smart, that are very directed to understanding the virus's movement and see it as a fire that moves around with the winds and we spot the first embers and we put it out fast. we have to have policies that are swift, smart, well guided and that assume the virus will be constantly trying to revisit our communities and instead of operating off of a combination of paranoia and denial in these weird, you know, zigzag
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political responses, we need to just think, okay, it's just like knowing i live in florida and a hurricane will come. or i live in new york and we might have a blizzard. you need preparedness that is smart. what we don't have is anything even close to that anywhere in the united states right now. and there's only eight states of the 50, add puerto rico, the 51 that come even close to having the virus under control. >> those are some scary words. but very helpful in order to let us all know what we do need to make, one, to get a grip on how long this is going to be in terms of our lives being forever changed but also the timing in which we need a new person leading the national response so that to lori's point, when those flareups happen we can immediately address them.
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michelle obama seemed to tap into the national psyche on her brand new pod cast. she talked openly about how she's coping with our troubled times. >> i've gone through those emotional highs and lows that i think everybody feels, where you just don't feel yourself. and spiritually, these are not fulfilling times spiritually so i know that i am dealing with some form of low grade depression. not just because of the quarantine, but because of the racial strife and just seeing this administration, watching the hypocrisy of it day in and
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day out is disspiriting so i've had to kind of give myself that -- those days, those moments. >> so many people reach out to mrs. obama after the pod cast she took to instagram to assure her fans that she's doing just fine. she added, i hope you all are allowing yourselves to feel whatever you are feeling and that sounds like some pretty good advice. up next, another voice of wisdom. bishop william barber joins us live. bishop william barber joins live substitute teaching. i honestly feel that that's my calling-- to give back to younger people. i think most adults will start realizing that they don't recall things as quickly as they used to or they don't remember things as vividly as they once did. i've been taking prevagen for about three years now. people say to me periodically, "man, you've got a memory like an elephant." it's really, really helped me tremendously. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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we start 2009 in the midst of a crisis unlike any we have seen in our lifetime. the crisis that has only deepened over the last few weeks. many families cannot pay their bills or their mortgage. many workers are watching their life savings disappear. and many, many americans are both anxious and uncertain of what the future will hold. >> when president obama took office back in 2009 he inherited one of the biggest economic crisis in american history but if joe biden is elected president in november he will be inheriting perhaps an even bigger financial crisis. he will have to convey to the american people how exactly he plans to revive the country. this week he got a glimpse -- we got a glimpse skbinto what's
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influencing joe biden at the moment. biden said his faith has been a guiding light in this moment of darkness, pain, division and sickness in the country. joining me now is bishop william barber, cochair of the poor people's campaign and author of "we are called to be a movement." i am so happy to chat with you today. thank you so much for being here, bishop. >> thank you so much and glad that you're on in this slot. >> thank you. so you have really been focused on the democrats in this particular moment and i think that's a really important police to start. because i think you know, we're at the point where we kind of know what donald trump is about. we know what the republicans are about. they are trying to fight over liability protections in this current moment instead of actual help for the american people, but what can democrats do to
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push the republicans in congress to at least pass something, because you know, there is no moratorium on evictions anymore. people are losing their unemployment benefits and they will be evicted with no money for food and they will have no recourse so what can democrats do to put pressure on the republican -- the republicans on the other side to actually get something done? >> well democrats have to put a face on what's happening. they have to truly expect what they're doing. you know, the -- and we have to add to that mcconnell. mcconnell. you know, mcconnell has blocked fixing the voting rights act to date to 261 days. mcconnell and trump together, we have to say what they're doing, show the public. they want another $250 billion tax break. they want to give 28 million more dollars to the military. they want legal immunity for
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corporations who hire workers in unsafe conditions. on top of the fact that the wealth and the greedy have already made $755 billion in this pandemic and starting off they were wrong because they gave $2 trillion, almost 83% of all the money in the first three acts to corporations and not to people. we have to contrast that and expose that hypocrisy and say that's what they want to do while 30 million workers have lost their unemployment. 27 million more without health care on top of 87 million that are underinsured or uninsured. democrats have to put a face on that. that's what the poor people's campaign continues to say. that poor and low wealth people are hurting and dying in this pandemic unnecessarily and they were dying before this pandemic and we should put a face on the 140 million poor people, that they're experiencing and recognize that that's where you can expand the elect rat and change the outcome of this election. it's poor and low wealth people.
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and democrats have to put a face on this. they have to show how ugly, how mean, how miserable and the kind of mayhem and they have to not just do it with trump, they have to label it on mcconnell. last monday we had a moral monday march on mcconnell digitally. almost 200,000 people showed up and we put in 8,000 calls into his office to shut it down in less than an hour. we have to focus on him. we have to focus on what's really going on in the lives of everyday people. >> in terms of the moral courage that our elected leadership has displayed in this moment, i feel like, you know, the republicans have not shown any. you know, focusing on liability protection and to your point, you know, people are going to work in unsafe conditions and in the beginning of this pandemic, the debate was over quote
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unquote reopening the economy, but i was like wait, the virus is still out there and there's novak seen no vaccine. we can't reopen anything. things are open, you can shop and get everything you need but reopening schools or reopening the economy isn't something we should be talking about until we do the science right. so it feels like the moral courage in this moment could improve as well because i think we're just talking about completely the wrong things most of the time. >> that's right. well, republicans and i call them extremists. i don't really call them republicans. they're not lincoln republicans. what they have continued to focus on is being for prayer in the school, against women's rights to choose and being for gay people and being for tax cuts which have no value in our deepest moral value. they have said what their focus
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is is corporations and money. what their focus is the people at the top. that's why when they -- we could have fixed all of this in the first cares bill. what democrats have to do is not play republican life and not play that game at all. we have to expose that even before covid, republicans did not care about the poor and the low well people. democrats need to put a focus on what's really happening in this country. >> i think that's such a smart point. thank you, bishop william barber for joining us this morning. i'm so happy to talk to you and i hope we can chat again very soon. >> coming up, voting in the age of covid-19. more "a.m. joy" after this quick break. "a.m. joy" after this quk break.
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delivered by the postal service will be vital. >> welcome back to am joy. i'm zerlena maxwell. by now you may have heard we have less than 100 days till the presidential election, but that statement isn't exactly true. sure, as of today, there are 86 days until november 3rd. there are 86 days until people head to the polls. but that's only if they choose to vote in person. in a lot of ways, this election has already begun. this pandemic has affected nearly 5 million people, making many people wary of voting in person, why many states allow people to vote by mail. nearly 80% of americans who are eligible to vote can cast their ballot by mail.
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they're now accepting fear of the coronavirus as a valid reason to vote absentee. like montana, to allow all mail elections. meaning this will look and feel like no election we have ever had before. it's possible you will not wake up the next day and know who the president is and you may not hear a vektry speech in the early hours of november 4th, because it will take time to count up all the ballots perhaps weeks or even months. in an effort that has become his latest obsession. >> we have a new phenomena. it's called mail-in voting. there's no way you can go through a mail-in vote without
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massive cheating. you will have a case where this election won't be decided on november 3rd. >> absolutely. what's wrong with that? >> this election could be decided two months later. >> mail-in voting is not as inaccurate or fraudulent as the president wants you to believe but it is a different process that. process for so many of us starts right now. rashard robinson, my friend of color of change, and hannah reid of all voting is local at the leadership conference on civil and human rights, david becker of the center for election innovation and research and colorado secretary of state jenna griswold. i want to go to susie first. i am very concerned there are reports this week that less than
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half of people under 40 actually know what to do in november or today, frankly, to be able to cast their vote by mail. to educate young people in particular who are so unfamiliar with absentee voting to teach them the step-by-step process to vote. >> yeah. so we are reaching out to mailing them an application with a paid postage and return envelope because i worked on campaigns for many years and a lot of people don't have stamps at home. grassroots will need to pick up
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the slack and reach out to thousands of voters every day and answer so many questions about what people will need in order to cast their ballot. and grass roots really need that lead because the president is failin failing. >> one of the things we have to say is that you may need a printer. you may need a printer to print out your absentee ballot application to mail it in. and i don't know about you, rashad, but maybe under quarantine it's different but to me that feels like a big step but also a practical thing we can educate people about.
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there are so many barriers that have traditionally been put in front of people to vote and we have to have a conversation about how do we make voting more accessible? and if you are a candidate running for office and can't express your campaign to win by reaching all voters and convince them to choose you, you have a problem. we have to look at all the enablers who are making this possible, allowing donald trump to lie about vote by mail and essentially suppress the vote through algorithms and running ads and all sorts of things. facebook has refused to pull down the vote by mail when we
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know billionaires run by facebook probably vote by mail themselves. this is a huge problem. we have to tackle it on all sides. the fact of the matter is as we leave the election and come out of the election, donald trump will do everything possible to put his hands on the scale of the results and that will have nothing to do with the results. >> not only is he doing this strategy by spreading misinformation but is also trying to set us up, hannah, for a scenario in which we are questioning the result if there is no winner. he's implying because the result is taking a while to be
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finalized that somehow it's not valid. what are ways to say election day is not november 3rd. it's today. you can look it up today. and so we also have to educate folks on that and also that it might be election week or election month. how are we to educate people on what to expect november 3rd? like we said in the intro, it will be very different from what we're used to seeing. >> absolutely right. on election day and after election day it's nothing new. have them come in for many, many years. many voters across the country.
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people will be voting in person through october. we don't talk about election day being november 3rd. we talk about the weeks and weeks of election. there's nothing unusual or troubling about that. if it takes longer, as i think we should expect it will, to get the results, let's get comfortable with that now. let not be expecting to know the results on election night like we do in a normal year. let's get comfortable and let's expect that. there's nothing absolutely illegitimate or problematic about that. >> i want to talk about colorado because as the secretary of state, you have made it very easy and accessible for folks to
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be able to participate. what can others learn from this? >> the colorado election model, it works. it's pretty straightforward. we send every registered voter a ballot and then they get to return it, either by drop box, in the mail or even vote in person. i would say, look, we have 160,000 americans who have died from covid-19. any type of voter fraud or scenario that the president is laying out.
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to protect our voting rights and elections to make sure every american has their voice heard. by the way, donald trump has invited foreign interference into our elections. he is not a good authority on how elections should work in this country. >> rashard, one thing that jena said is the ways in which he's using the lies to suppress the vote by talking about mail-in voting as if it's not a reliable way to cast your ballot and then have faith that it will be counted accurately. and i think that's especially true because he's done this before. he is trying to suppress the vote by talking about the process in 2016.
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what should democrats be messaging specifically to them to get those specific communities to participate in the mail-in process, which is so different? >> it is so different. places where it's early voting, work to get people to the polls. the thing here is that we give people as many options as possible, in an environment where voting is going to be hard and where the disease, covid-19, has impacted our community in much deeper ways because of the failures and decisions of the government. and so the thing here is that we have to give people as many options. then we have to fight against the disinformation and misinformation, which will be
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target i targeting against our communities and targeted way to get people to feel uncomfortable with whether or not their vote will be counted and then we have to do the work on the back end, legal groups to monitor and hold the system accountable. donald trump can only do this if those on the right enable him and those on the left feel like it's not going to be a problem. they have to keep the names and data of the people who stay silent in this moment in the moment or our democracy is under attack by someone who cares nothing about our democracy. >> the attacks on the democracy are not coming from somebody who wants to see that democracy succeed and have everyone able
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to participate. david, i want to go to you next he's saying it will take longer than normal to count up the votes and somehow that's a signal of it being rigged. in terms of how we can combat that, i'm trying to get everybody's thoughts on ways in which we can better educate voters on all levels to make sure we can have faith in the system. if you don't have faith in the system, you know, you're not likely to participate in that system. right, david? >> right. of course his claims about mail voting are completely wrong. mail voting is safe and secure in all of the states. he's only right in the sense about counting the ballots that we would likely not know on election night. the reality is that we've never known on election night. those are all unofficial
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results. every state takes days and weeks to count all the ballots that come in. especially important for people in the military. their ballots come in much later than election day. it's important to realize thatting of we're hearing on election night and days after that, that's all unofficial results. it's not until the states certify those results that it's official. and that's very, very important to realize. i think rashard is very, very right. mail voting is a very important option and, of course, it's safe and secure, about half, probably more than half of all voters will feel more comfortable, prefer to vote in person, particularly in states where they haven't been voting by mail a lot. as well as vote big mail for those who choose to do so. make your plans early and vote
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early wherever possible. that will help us get the count as quickly and accurately as possible. >> vote early and also election day is today. cause if you're voting by mail, can you figure out if you need to fill out an application that recovers a printer right now. thank you to susie smith, rashard robinson, hana fried, david becker and jena griswold. cory booker joins us after this break. cory booker joins us after this eabrk. mornings were made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis. when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz a pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis when methotrexate has not helped enough. xeljanz can reduce pain, swelling, and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections like tb and do blood tests. tell your doctor
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hours president trump will hold another press conference after threatening to sign executive orders to grant coronavirus economic relief. fried night, he said he would take executive actions on payroll tax cut, evictions if no agreement is reached soon. it's unclear if trump has the legal ability to even do that. all this comes as republicans let the stimulus expire and until three months until the november 3 rd election we also learned friday that russia is interfering in the u.s. elections again. u.s. intelligence said russia is currently using a range of techniques to try to undermine
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joe biden and help elect donald trump. senator cory booker is joining me now. good morning, senator. >> good morning. it's so good to be on with you. >> i'm so happy yier here today. i want to talk to you, first, about russia interference. i want to flip how we did this and i want to talk about covid last. honestly today, as i sit here, i think that the story that confirms that russia is in the election again and there may also be other foreign actors doing the same thing for their own benefit or their own independent goals, what's your reaction and what can we do about it? >> this shouldn't surprise people. russia was deeply involved in our election. they've been working on interfering in elections from madagascar to the european continent. what is surprising is that with credible intelligent reports that they were putting bounties
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on our troops, failed to bring this up in conversation with putin when he talked to him at least half a dozen times and failed to talk to him about these issues. and our voting is one of the bedrocks of our democracy and russians have been trying to undermine democracies for years now. intelligence briefings this past week, classified briefings, much of which in those briefings not the sources and methods but the american people should have more information about how the russians right now are doing everything they can to undermine our elections and specifically to try to ensure the re-election of donald trump, who they see as a friend and an ally and in many ways with trying to invite them to be back in front -- in the sort of european world, they see him as essential to their
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ascendency. >> your colleague, senator richard blumenthal tweeted this week about that exact idea, that we need to be more transparent with the american people about what russia is really trying to do. it feels to me like donald trump is the x factor here. in 2016, russia was doing what it did. and donald trump was asking them to help. what's the risk that he's doing that again? because he's still the president. so, there weren't real consequences in the sense that, you know, there were no legal consequences for him personally and he's still the president. so, isn't there a risk that he's going to coordinate or conclude -- we haven't heard that wordny long time, with russia as they are doing this election interference?
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>> he openly asked for russia's involvement in the last election. we know he was impeached through conduct that even republicans said was wrong for him to do and at best he has been an apologyist to russia, inviting them to be part of the g7 with him seeming to buddy up with putin in ways that he isn't with macron or merkel, for example, i really question this president's leadership in protecting the national security interest of our country, especially around the bounties that we heard about. and saw a lot of intelligence about. the fact that he's not willing to have these discussions is unacceptable and undermines, in my opinion, what his obligations are as commander in chief. >> one thing that is so disturbing about the story about
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russian bounties is that i think it intersects with his reaction to covid-19. he doesn't care. he just doesn't care about other people. in her book, mary trump talks about kindness, compassion and even illness being something that shows you as weak and donald trump cannot show weakness. as an american citizen, it's hard for me personally, and certainly others, michelle obama even said this moment is hard for her to live through this, because the president doesn't seem to care. as someone in the senate, what's your advice to push past this moment and participate in this upcoming election to make changes? because we need a president who care. >> clearly, we do. the reason that joe biden is
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doing so well, i don't think that american people has gotten into all the policies but one president has empathy. donald trump was worried about the numbers and how it might make him look. the reality is that we are a nation that is a good people and we need our leaders to reflect an empathy and decency and so much worse. we need a resurgence of the truth of american spirit, empathy and grace. the question is, and i keep telling people, this is not an election. that's a referendum on one guy and one office. we know who he is. the question is, who are we as a people? this is a referendum on us as
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americans. what values and what virtues do we want heralded at the top of our society and the white house? and i'm telling you right now, i know when i was mayor, values and character matter most. not somebody who is perfect but even when someone who makes a mistake is willing to talk about it openly and grow together, because none of us are. an end to the stimulus that so many americans were relying upon, americans are in desperate straits and it doesn't seem like the republicans care about
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anything other than reliability. so how do you feel in this moment? do you think you'll be able to reach a deal in enough time so that people are not homeless with their children, all around the fall when we're deciding whether or not to send kids back to school? i feel like american families are dealing with crises on so many different fronts and trump might not care, but certainly you do. i appreciate the first part of your question when you ask me how do i feel. when you see the human anguish, hurt, stress and worry that now suddenly you can't make your
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rent payment or even just finding food is a struggle where you have food lines now that in many communities go miles in the richest nation on the planet earth. this is a catastrophe of our own making. the pandemic is what it is, as donald trump likes to say, but that is not what defines us. the pandemic doesn't, our response does. and we should not have this much suffering, this pain. i feel angry that we, as democrats, have been ready since may. we had our proposition on the table. and now they want to come in the last days, as we're about to
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have an expiration of unemployment benefits, of ppp program. and now suddenly they want to get into the table and call us obstructionists. this is a time that our nation should not be letting people suffer this much. and economists on both sides of the aisle are talking about the need for a significant stimulus. we know that one of the best ways to do that is not to cut unemployment benefits but sustain them. it's not to cut small businesses but to add more. not to allow firefighters and teachers and others to be laid off. but to get them the aid and support they need. this is a time for us to act, act boldly. this president has done nothing.
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now the executive orders you mentioned, can you believe that one of his executive orders was to say people with pre-exist in conditions should have acticesso insurance? that's the affordable care act that you've been trying to undermin undermine. >> he's living on the planet of arizona, didn't you hear? arizona is doing great. there may be 50 states but arizona is doing particularly well. that seems to be where the president's priorities lie, in the states that like him. thank you so much, senator cory booker, from my home state of new jersey. thank you for being here this morning. coming up, trump's tax information is now in the hands
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did the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenue? >> yes. >> and was that done with the president's knowledge or direction? >> everything was done with the nonl and at the direction of mr. trump. >> did the president ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company? >> yes. >> do you think we need to review his financial statements and his tax returns in order to compare them? >> yes. >> the plot thickens in the never-ending saga to get donald trump's tax returns. in a bombshell report this week, "the new york times" revealed that the new york district attorney not only subpoenaed trump's financial records from deutsche bank, which has led trump more than $2 billion over the past two decades, but listen to this, they received the records that were requested. and since this is a state probe
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and not a federal one, could this even escape the wrangling hands of trump's fixer in chief, attorney general william barr? i hope so. joining me now is neal katial. former solicitor general of the united states. how are you doing today? >> i'm doing great, zerlina. i've always expected to see you in that chair and it is so exciting to see you there. >> yeah, it's really exciting to chat, because this was a surprise decision, i think, in terms of people probably forgetting, perhaps, that cy vance had subpoenaed deutsche bank. the supreme court had decided that cy vance would be able to get these records. did we know about the compliance before and what are the potential consequences of them having these documents in hand? >> yeah.
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so, we didn't know that before quite in this way. we did know there were different investigations of trump because everywhere you look, he's cutting corners and cheating. there were a bunch of different investigations. one was by the house. that was the testimony you just played of michael cohen, president trump's former lawyer. but then there was also a federal investigation in the southern district of new york as well as this local new york investigation run by cy vance. we knew that they all wanted to get deutsche bank records but this week we learned that deutsche bank had turned them over and those could be very devastating for the president because michael cohen is probably in a position to know more than anyone, since he was trump's former lawyer, says that trump did inflate his assets, that he was trying to get $2 billion in loans from deutsche bank and essentially lied about how much money he had. whether that's true or not, i don't know, but cohen says it and that's what the prosecutors are trying to get at with these
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records. >> if it is true, what does that mean for the potential crimes that were committed by donald trump or potentially anybody working for one of his businesses? >> it's very, very bad for trump and his businesses. so new york prosecutors in their filing this week, because trump is trying to dismiss this grand jury investigation, the new york prosecutors said, quote, there are public reports of possibly extensive and protracted criminal contact at the trump organization, end quote. that's what the prosecutor said to the court. that is prosecutor language for there's some potentially very, very bad stuff going on here about the trump organization and we're trying to get this information to figure it out and get to the bottom of it. so, if the investigation does show these assets are inflated then, yes, the prosecutor will have to make the decision.
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>> i'm not sure if everybody can hear you. i think i lost your sound, neal. should we take a quick break and come back when we get his sound back? let's take a quick break. we're having some technical issues and we'll be right back after this when we can get neal's sound. he's saying things that are way too important for us to miss it. too important for us to miss it.
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welcome back to "am joy." we were able to get neal connected. i want everybody to hear what he has to say. it's too important i want to let you finish your thought. >> right. so there were three different investigations over president trump and the financial misdealings. the most important point about the cy vance one, the one going
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on in new york, is that it's not subject to federal presidential control or control by attorney general barr. this is part of our founders' design. they were worried that prosecutors could be captured by various interests, think about the mob. you have state and federal overlapping jurisdiction. if one prosecutorial entity goes out, the other can step up and fill in the gaps. here, you see something like that going on. the federal law enforcement officers are ham strung because the president's men have tried to kill that investigation. so now the state investigators are doing it, and attorney general barr and the president can't stop that. they tried. they went to the supreme court. they lost bitterly and hugely in the supreme court. so this investigation is going to continue, and it poses a direct, serious threat to president trump and the trump organization. >> i have one more question. it occurred to me that there
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were a lot of threads, you know, the inauguration investigation and other investigations related to the corruption and this administration that we heard about, and then we all of a sudden didn't hear about them anymore. after william barr became the attorney general. do you think that some of those investigative threads will be picked up, to your point, by the new york investigators, or are they going to stick to, you know, the broader investigation that they are already working on? >> well, some things aren't going to be crimes under state law. they may only be crimes under federal law, campaign finance violations and the like. but others are going to be both. so, for example, it was the new york federal prosecutors that started investigating stormy daniels and the payments to her, which trump had deducted as a business expense of $130,000. that investigation all of a sudden mysteriously disappeared at the federal level. now we know that's part of what
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cy vance is investigating. that's one of the geniuses of our system, you can have overlapping jurisdiction and if you have a federal investigation that's quashed by political interests, it can move to the state level. >> yeah. i hope that we're able to find out more in the coming months about exactly what cy vance is investigating and whether or not some of those other investigations will continue on in the state level. thank you, neal katyal, for joining us this morning. thursday, laticia james filed a lawsuit against the national rifle association, aimed at dissolving the powerful organization. an 18-month long investigation found that the nra leaders diverted funds to pay for personal expenses, like family trips, contributing to a loss of more than $64 million in the last three years alone. the nra has responded by filing a counterlawsuit, accusing the attorney general of violating
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the organization's first amendment rights. gun reform activist david hogg hailed the victory for victims of gun violence across the country and he joins me now, the co-founder of march for our lives and also a survivor of the stoneman douglas shooting. also with us is brandon wolf, a survivor of the pulse nightclub shooting. in the future i hope we never have to do these types of segments where we have multiple survivors of multiple recent mass shootings. but, david, i feel like what the attorney general of new york has done is a big step in the right direction in terms of holding one of the most powerful lobbying organizations accountable for alleged corruption. what's your reaction to what the attorney general announced this week? >> you know, i think it's a really big step forward. we're certainly going to have a lot more work to do ahead.
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i wanted to especially thank the attorney general. as a public official we've seen time and time again how it is not easy to stand up to an organization that believes it is not -- that it is above the law and laticia james, with her courage, has shown quite otherwise and that members have their charitable donations spent on things like private jet vacations, nearly $300,000 for retaliating suits. nra's fraudulent spending in 2018 and in part, because of this, this investigation could happen. i think it's a big step in the right direction, but i think this is one of many steps that lead over hopefully the next couple of years but also the next couple of decades, their roles in gun violence and also systemic racism and how their
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role plays into that on a daily basis across the country. >> in terms of how this issue is being talked about, march for our lives, which you co-founded, is doing that intersectional organizing across generations, understanding that gun violence can happen in so many different forms and also, you know, the pulse nightclub shooting, i thi think, is a specific example of the reason why we need to have intersectional organizing around these issues, because systemic racism and bigotry also play into this issue. and in terms of your reaction similarly to david, i'm sure, you were pleased to see some action taken against the nra, but in terms of where we go forward, as citizens, in terms of the conversation, what ways do you think we can improve how
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we even talk about the issue of gun violence? because i think the way in which we talk about it, we always have the same thoughts and prayers, you know, after every shooting, but i think we need to talk about racial justice and systemic racism, even more, when these mass shootings occur. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. you know, i thought this was going to be an nra is over party. i hope you don't mind. i brought a little sparkling something. i'll put it here for you. sparkling cider to celebrate the moment. >> i would have brought mine. >> but in truth, this moment is extremely personal for me. on june 12th of 2016, i escaped through an emergency exit when a man charged into pulse and opened fire. my two best friends were exactly where they always were. they were standing in the center of the dance floor underneath a disco ball and they suffered 19 gun shot wounds between the two of them. neither one of them ever made it home to say good-bye to their
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parents and, you know, i want to make it clear that the nra fought for the rights of that shooter to buy a weapon of war. the nra fought for his right to buy all the ammunition that he could pack in his car. the nra fought to militarize a man that everyone knew was dangerous, so dangerous, in fact, he wasn't allowed on an airplane multiple times, and put us in the crosshairs instead. the nra has done for years what they did that brought us to pulse. that is, they fought for gun manufacturers at the expense of american values, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. you know, six days after the shooting at pulse, we held a funeral service for my best friend, drew, and i was one of the pallbearers that day. i looked down and made a promise to him and that is that i would never stop fighting for a world that he could be proud of. that world has no room for the nra and to your point, zerlina, where we have to talk about the
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intersections of racial injustice and gun violence, the intersections of poverty and gun violence. we have to talk about what is driving a culture of militarization, violence, hatred and bigotry across the country, and that starts with the violence and bigotry and hatred coming out of the top of this country, 1600 pennsylvania avenue and the mouths of the sycophants of this president. >> absolutely. david, one of the things that you have been focused on in recent months is voting, because we know that we're not going to make any legislative changes on this issue until we have different people in congress, because the people in congress have shown us time and again that they're not willing to take action, at least in the senate, to be specific. so, in terms of, you know, voting in november, i think a lot of older voters are like, young people never vote. they never turn out. we always talk about them, but they never show up. and i always say i think this
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election is going to be different. 2018 proved that it's going to be different, because of the high increase in youth turnout. how are you feeling in this moment about the level of education for young people in terms of mail-in voting access and also being able to connect voting to improving the laws that apply to gun violence going forward? how do you think young voters are taking all of this in? >> i think they're taking it in. they're not just voting. they're seeing the importance of going out there and protesting. as john lewis talked about, creating good trouble and making those in power uncomfortable. i think our generation is beginning to realize the intersectionality and overlap of racial injustice, climate injustice and gun violence as well and realizing we need to take to the streets but also take to the ballot box and make our voice heard. the first thing is to elect the right people to do the right thing. the first example of that is
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laticia james. although i'm not a fan of a lot of elected officials, she's an example of exactly what we need more of in this country, as many people say politicians need to be encouraged to stop and act against gun violence in the first place n 2018, we also saw a massive voter turnout at a near record high for young people turning out. and with gun violence as the top priorities and this year, of course, with everything that just happened, with recent protests and everything, that racial justice is a top priority. and i want people to realize that gun violence is a racial justice issue, and one of the top predictors of gun violence in the united states is where communities were red lined in the 1930s and '40s often times. it's no mistake that communities that are most affected by racial injustice and poverty and militaryism are also affected by covid. because we have a systemic problem in this country that is
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still very much here whether or not people choose to recognize it of structural racism that must be addressed outside and inside the system. we need to look at ourselves as americans and ask ourselves, are we really doing the best we can do not only as democrats and republicans but as human beings to create a better country for the next generation? and i believe that we can create a better one. that's why it's so important we not only vote but go out and protest. >> brendan, i heard it's your birthday today. >> it is. i wasn't sure if i could -- >> what do you want for your birthday in terms of gun violence legislation? >> the first thing that i want to do is the entire country to wish the nra our sincerest thoughts and prayers. my hope is that they're just as effective for the nra as they were for my best friends on june 12th, 2016. and i really, really hope that
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for my birthday every single person considers going online, going to their state or county website for elections, figuring out how you can vote in the safest way possible. vote by mail. early vote. whatever that is. please, if you do anything for my birthday, if you get any vote, please have your voice heard at the ballot box. >> i love that. thank you, david hogg and brandon wolf. that's our show for today. i can't believe it. i made it. join us for more "am joy" tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern when my guest will include hillary clinton. for now, stay tuned for my friend, alex witt. y tuned for my friend, alex witt. veterans li. an army family who is always at the ready. so when they got a little surprise... two!? ...they didn't panic. they got a bigger car for their soon-to-be-bigger family. after shopping around for insurance, they called usaa - who helped find the right coverage for them and even some much-needed savings. that was the easy part. usaa insurance is made the way liz and mike need it-
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