i'm lindsey riser, we begin this hour with breaking news. in just about 90 minutes, president trump will be holding a news conference and is expected to sign executive orders that may circumstance up vent congress on a stimulus relief bill. talks collapsed yesterday. no other talks are scheduled. let's get to josh lederman and barbara mcquaid. josh, we will start with you. what do we know about the orders the president plans to sign? >> we are waiting to see exactly what president trump is going to do when he takes to the podium

in just a couple of hours. from his golf club in bed minister. the white house has not officially said whether or not he is going to sign an executive order. but all signs clearly point in that direction, coming off the news conference, the president hastily arranged last night in bed minister, where he said he did plan to move forward with executive action because congress has not been able to get a deal to extend these benefits that so many millions of americans are relying on. we expected trump was going to take more time before moving forward by that. he suggested by the end of the week, which many meant likely next week that potentially creating more pressure for congress to find a compromise that would avert the need for the president to go around congress by signing something himself. now the president scheduling this new press conference today. we do expect it is possible he will move forward with at least part of what he's talked about doing threw executive action ask. the items that he said last

night, he's looking at, including extending the unemployment benefits that have now expired. although it is questionable whether he would extent it the full $600 amount or some amount less than that. the president also talking about the eviction moratorium and wanting to extend that as well as to extend the protections for student loan borrowers who are in dire straights right now. the president also talking about wanting to do a deferment on the payroll tax that workers pay. although that's something that received opposition from republicans within his own party. all of this likely to be questioned by lawyers, potentially lawsuits over whether the president goes ahead and extends beyond his own legal authority through whatever he may sign. but the president trying to use this as a moment to say, look, if congress is not going to be able to get it together, that he's going to act on his own to bring a little bit of relief to americans. >> well, let's listen to what

the president said yesterday about these executive orders. then i will go to my next question. >> if democrats continue to hold this critical relief hostage i will act under my authority as president to get americans the rowly they need. -- the relief they need. what we are talking about is deferring the payroll tax for a period of months until the end of the year. and i can extend it at a certain period. >> so barbara, does the president actually have the authority to sign executive orders on this? you just heard josh say there is likely to be some challenges. does that mean it could draw things out even longer before people actually get aid? >> it depends on what he's talking about. he talked about four different things. when it is talking about delaying the collection of taxes or the payment of student loans the president probably does have the power to do that. because he is nomt exends thing

new dollars. but the power of the purse only congress has the power to de do that. it may very well be this is right out of the playbook where he announces something that he believes will be politic chi popular. and even if he loses the legal challenge he scores the political points and this way he wins by losing. i think he could execute the plan and then see a legal challenge. i don't know, unless he got a restraining order from a court that he would be unable to go forward with the payments. >> josh, that said, has there been any reaction from democrats or members of congress today in relation to these executive orders? >> well, unsurprisingly we are hearing from democrats saying, et cetera not their fault that these negotiations have not been more fruitful. nancy pelosi and chuck schumer to temperature last 24 hours or so saying that they have been negotiating in good faith towards an agreement that they have even offed to knock $1 trillion off of what democrats have been seeking but that it's

just not enough, the two sides are not getting anywhere agreement. they are still trillions of dollars apart from what they are envisioning for final package. and that's the reason that we have seen such a lack of progress. and the president suggesting he is going to step into that void himself in just a couple of hours? barbara, if if fact we see executive orders thatological challenged by congressional democrats, does that mean it will be drawn out in the legal process and that americans won't see the help they need? >> that could be the case. if they were able to get a restraining order. then on the merits, then a court to halt the payments and see that further delay. in many ways that would be a worse outcome than waiting for congress to negotiate some outcome here. this is what president trump to do, take aggressive stands even if he is ultimately challenged and loses he can hold it up politically as his effort to

fight for the people. it seems to me this might be more about political posturing than it is about providing actual relief to the american people. >> ash bra, thank you. josh keep us up to date on new developments leading up to this event today which of course we will carry here live on msnbc. fears are growing about a celebration turning into a coronavirus super spreader event. it is happening right now in a remote south dakota town with fewer than 7,000 residents. hundreds of thousands of riders have arrived in sturgis for one of the largest motorcycle rallies. this annual event attraction bikers from across the country. this year it is strirg worry who fear the rally could trigger a covid-19 outbreak in the state. joining us from the motorcycle

rally is kathy parks. the first of the bikers rode in yesterday. a lot of them not wearing masks. they are crowding the sidewalks. what is the scene like today. >> reporter: this is day two of a ten-day event. and you are seeing riders slowly fill up main street here. and this is an even that bates back to 1938. they are celebrating the 80th anniversary. they took a pause during world war ii but moved forward ever since then. obviously things are different this time around because of the coronavirus. they have had to make adjustments. a lot of city-sponsored events have been canceled or scaled back. typically there would be concerts here along main street. but there are none because of the virus. also, there are hand sanitizing stations up and down main street as well. overnight crews are sanitizing walks as well as the streets. as far as social distancing and

mask wearing among attendees, it is encouraged but not required. that's why we are not seeing people wearing these face coverings. keep in mind in south dakota that he never issued a stay-at-home order and there was also never a mask mandate. infections have been low in comparison to other states throughout the country. regardless, a lot of the residents in this community, you mentioned about 7u thou of them. there was a survey done, about 60% said they actually did not want this event to move forward because of covid concerns. one residents told me yesterday that he thought it was selfish. but, you know, moving forward, though, they will be monitoring how people are social distancing. as i mentioned, it is encouraged. but we are right now -- aren't seeing any large crowds or clusters of people. seems like a lot of people are walking up and down the sidewalks for now. and also something important to note, lindsey, after this rally

wraps up, they will be issuing free tests to residents in this community so that they can self quarantine based on their test results. >> 60% of the people there not wanting this event to go on. nbc's kathy park in sturgis, south dakota thank you. more breaking news as widespread protests erupted in beirut this weekend as lebanese citizens demand answers following the massive explosion that rocked the city earlier this week. police clashed with protesters, they fired tear gas in beirut's main square today. tuesday's massive blast killed more than 150 people and citizens are casting blame on the government. authorities have come under fire for allowing an improperly stored stockpile of ammonium nitrate to build up in the warehouse over more than six years leading to that deadly explosion. journalist rebecca collard is in beirut.

joins me now. i see night has fallen. what are people calling for? what is the mood right now? >> reporter: i am about half a mile from the center of the protests. we moved back. as, see there is a lot of protesters that have moved back as the police have used this volley of tear gas to disperse the protesters. we are hearing ambulances going by. we are hearing dozens have been injured in the protests today. i think there is a certain sort of irony that now a lot of the ambulances that had been carrying the injured from the blast site are now taking the injured from the protests to the same hospitals. you know, people are so, so, so angry about what happened. they blame the government. and just know we had the country's prime minister say he is calling for early elections. and having talked to some of the demonstrators i am going to tell that you early election is not

going to stop the sort of anger we are seeing in the street today. people are fed up. we had protests since october. there was a dip because of the coronavirus outbreak in this country. now people are back. and they are just so angry. they say what happened on tuesday was the result of the same sort of corruption and negligence and mismanagement that this country has been suffering for decades, and they just want the government to go now. >> rebecca, i have to ask you a couple of questions. first, what is the status of search and rescue efforts. also what is the status of the food supply? i am hearing a lot of the grain was stored where that explosion was and food insecurity was already an issue there. >> the search and rescue efforts are gone going. so the cleanup operation. i don't know if you can see behind me, but there is still so much rubble. this is an area about a mile and a half from the blast site and there is still rubble all over streets. now people are continuing to try to clean that up and a lot of

these same protesters that have been in the streets for the last few days cleaning up the rubble, then taking to the streets in protest. so search and rescue operations going on. also are the operations to clean up the city. in regards to the food supply there are some very, very dire concerns. as you said, lebanon was already facing food insecurity. in part of this testimony crisis. the cup is facing the worst financial crisis in decades. and lebanon imports almost all of its food. it has made the country very vulnerable. now they have also lost their main port. so it is a very, very dangerous situation. there's a lot of other countries sending in aid. you know, there is just so, association association so -- so, so, so much concern now gob the food supply. >> president trump will be jumping on a conference call with other world leaders to talk about the situation there on

sunday. with 187 days to go before the election, we still don't know who former vice president joe biden has chosen as his running mate. two democratic officials have confirmed to nbc news that michigan governor gretchen with itmer traveled to delaware to meet with him last week. news of the meeting is biden's known in-person seg with a potential vp pick and it lasted several hours. mike memberly joins us from wilmington, d.a. delaware w the latest. ic moo, biden reasonably planned to make his announcement the first week of august. do we have an updated time line. >> reporter: the term that's used to describe this vice presidential search process is deliberative. that's a nice way of saying that biden is taking his time, taking all the time he needs to make what is a consequential decision.

having served as vice president biden knows how important this is both this the campaign setting and as governing choice. taking every last bit of time, looking at polling data this week as he narrowed his decision. he did say earlier this week that he narrowed the field somewhat. the question has been, has he been doing meetings in person? we are told he has had meetings with other potential vice presidential candidates as well. lindsey, we know there is a firm time line here. the convention begins a week from monday. so he has to have his choice in place by then. biden advisors told us on friday the decision could be announced as soon as monday but it looks to be later in the week. >> what can you tell bus the meeting with gretchen with itmer. we know president trump narrowly won michigan in 2016. how high is with itmer on the list among everybody in contention. >> we were the first to report this welcome back on thursday that for somebody who faded in the discussion about where the

short list might stand she was still very much in contention. then we learn of course she did have this meeting to every the weekend. it is important to note that of all the speculation, a lot of it is about democrat wanting to insert names into the conversation that they want. with itmer has always remained high in the esteem of biden because he is the only person with a vote in this process at the end of the day. let's listen to when biden interviewed with itmer publicly on his podcast earlier this year indicating how much he thinks of the governor. >> i paid close attention to your mission from the time you were elected during your campaign to this past week. it has expressed me both how impressive and important your leadership has been has been. by the way, thank you very much, gov, i look forward to working with you and doing this engo. you are just doing an incredible job. the people of michigan should be proud to have you. you know, you are expected by all the other governs.

i talked to governs from the east coast to the west coast. >> you heard thered bian praising with itmer's handling of the pandemic in michigan. you know she faced a lot of criticism for some of the measures she took to try to campaign the pandemic in her state. the biden said that is the number one issue in the campaign and that is why she is so high on his list. >> thank you. coming up, how other countries are hoping the u.s. election will turn out. and why officials are on high alert for election meddling. we'll dive into a new intelligence about russia's efforts to meddle in the election in favor of president trump. of time on the couch with tacos from grubhub? grubhub's gonna reward you for that with a $5 off perk. (doorbell rings) - [crowd] grubhub! (fireworks exploding)

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russians are once again trying to meddle in the u.s. election and help trump. that's according to the top counter-intelligence official for the u.s. bill evanina, who is leading election security efforts at the dni's office gave a detailed update yesterday on foreign preferences in the election. in it, he revealed that russia is trying to sabotage biden to help trump. china prefers that president trump does not win re-election. and iran seeks to undermine trump and divide the country in advance of the election. joining me now, retired admiral james -- former allied commander and security and diplomacy analyst.

thank you for joining us. good afternoon. i want to listen to the president's response when asked yesterday about russian interference. >> i think that the last person russia wants to see in office is donald trump. because nobody has been tougher on russia than i have, ever. >> that's not -- >> i don't care what anybody says. >> i don't care what anybody says. is that an appropriate response? >> of course not. first and foremost, the russians would love to see donald trump stay in office. not only because he has been very helpful to vladimir putin internationally, lindsey, but because president trump is so divisive. he has divided the country quite starkly. so that internal division is very appealing to vladimir putin. and secondly, look at the president's relationship with putin. he goes to helsinki and effectively gives president trump a pass on -- or gives president putin a pass on interfering in president trump's election in 2016. president trump is withdrawing troops from nato, from europe.

president trump is pushing to get vladimir putin back into the g7. so both internationally and domestically, i would say quite clearly president putin would like to see his friend president trump reelected. >> we haven't even mentioned the reports that russia was paying bounties for u.s. troops that the president didn't even mention on a fop call with putin. given this intelligence right now, do you have any confidence that anything will be done to stop potential interference in our election? >> i think there will be. i don't know that it will be at a sufficient level to completely mitigate what russia is attempting to do. but certainly, there are still strong efforts that are going to come out of the u.s. intelligence community. i think you saw that with the testimony you just highlighted from the national counter-terrorism director, the

counter-intelligence director. i think illuminating what's going on will be important. secondly, the nation's cyber security forces will continue to work at this. that's an apolitical organization. the national security agency and u.s. cyber command, the military side of this, both very effectively led by a military officer. yes, i think there will be efforts made. but we need to be mindful and lock at what happened in 2016 where russia pushed in, was successful. we need to make sure this is a fair election, level playing field. what could be more important for american democracy than that. >> i have got to ask you about the invasive vetting process for potential vice president candidates. you were vetted in 2016 as a potential running mate for hillary clinton. i read some of your writing about it. you said they asked for dental

records, for college transcripts. how invasive are we talking about? >> we are talking pretty invasive. think back to what you were doing in junior high school, lindsey. >> i don't want to. >> and how you would be talking about that in a room full of strangers. i am sure you don't. let's face it. it is a deep dive. that's what we want as the american people. this vetting process was led by john podesta, he was running secretary clinton's campaign. it is invasive but the right thing to do. >> admiral thank you for joining us today. it has been great talking to you. we want to get to some breaking news right now. president trump's 3:30 news conference a. white house official just confirming to nbc news that president donald trump will sign an executive order on coronavirus economic relief. it had been unclear when the news conference was announced what that executive order would cover. we still don't have exact details on what aspects of covid

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schools across america are beginning to reopen their doors. but amid the coronavirus pandemic, facebook school has never looked so different. students in duke university slowly returned to campus yesterday for move-in day under new covid-19 restrictions. that limits the number of relatives present and prevents overlaps between students. meanwhile in new york governor andrew cuomo's plan to reopen the largest school system has been met with widespread skepticism. governor cuomo defended his decision to reopen schools yesterday touting the state's low infection rate stating if anybody can reopen schools, we can. perhaps that would have been enough until this. a photo appearing on social media earlier this week, this image taken at a high school in

dallas, georgia, by a 15-year-old, hannah waters. it shows students transitioning between class. you can see there few are wearing masks and they are walking shoulder to shoulder through the halls. but the photo captures more than just the absence of social distancing. it really captures the fear felt by students, parents, and teachers alike that despite every district's best efforts, you can control everything. joining us now from canton, georgia w more on this story is no.'s shaq brewster. shaq, this story has gripped america's attention. there has been strict punishment imposed on the student who took that photo. over just the past hour we have news that over 250 georgia students and teachers now quarantined after the first week of school in the cherokee county school district. what are people saying there? >> yeah, you know that photo really reflecting the concerns of families all across the state

as they make the decision on whether or not to send their kids back to school in person this fall. it is here in cherokee county whereas you mentioned the numbers are now more than 260 students and staff in quarantine, under quarantine orders after about 21 of them tested positive for the coronavirus in just the first week of school. i have been here talking to parents all day long. i want you to hear one conversation i had with a mother who contracted the virus back in june. she has an asthmatic kindergartener but she said it was important she was back in school this fall. >> it was her first year of elementary school. i didn't whack want to take that away from her. i was with her throughout the time she was not in school. when pre-k was cut short she was devastated. >> reporter: meanwhile, hillary porterfield got a letter from her school just yesterday saying someone in her daughter's school also tested positive for the

virus. listen to how the attitude among her daughter has change since that letter came the her. >> you know, she was very i want to go to school. i want to see my friends. now, yesterday, she told me that -- she said i want you to look for other options of where i can just do on line school somewhere else, self guided, anything, because she said, i just don't want to be one of those students. >> reporter: districts are really figuring this out in real time. in quenette county they are starting virtual and they will phase in classes, the return of classes week by week. >> a turn of emotion there happening in real time. as you said, nbc's shaquille brewster in connaughton, j gentleman. texas ranks third behind california and florida in the number of covid cases. in one coastal community this is a shockingly high number of infants infected. janelle ross jones us from

corpus christi, texas. this flies in the face of what we have been hearing from president trump about kids essentially being immune from getting virus. >> reporter: yes, that is true. here in oasis county, which includes portions of padre island where i am standing. there are a total of at least 187 infants who have been diagnosed with the coronavirus. and unfortunately, among those one child has died. and local public health officials believe that much this activity, including many of the 14,000 cases of coronavirus in this county are tied to some of the things that people do while trying to deal with social distancing. they aim to get outside. and here in corpus christi, here on padre island, as you can see behind me, for many people that means going to the beach. this is what the local health director had to say about the risk and what that's creating.

>> as we got into phase three and people noticed that we could get out more, they started looking for places that had low numbers of cases. and corpus christi happened to be one of those. and we have our beautiful beaches. so they thought what better place to go than corpus. >> reporter: in essence, what is happening is people are coming together in tight spaces, clustering together including in public spaces like peaches and then perhaps taking the virus home with them and giving it to very young children in their homes. >> it is a double edged sword because we have been encouraged to spend i am outside not inside but 187 infants testing positive for coronavirus in that county. sadly one death. janel ross, an important story. thank you for bringing that to us. as experts across the globe race to find an effective coronavirus treatment russia says it could become the first country in the world to approve

a covid vaccine. they are planning for mass doses as well as october using shots that have yet to complete clinical trials. according to the head of russia's direct investment fund that backs the evident, a vaccine in moscow may be given the green light before scientists have even completed a phase three study. medical experts around the world are saying russia is cutting corners and that that rush could back fir. joining me more in the search for solutions is dr. redliner. moscow claims the first phase of trials for this vaccine showed an immune response in all subjects with no side elects or complications. what are your main concerns here? >> the main concern is of course that the reason we have three phases not just one or two phases is because we actually have to test this vaccine this a large number of people and wait a long time for two things, one is to make sure that the vaccine

actually works in large numbers of people, especially at-risk people. the second big thing, of course is sometimes the complications and the downside of vaccines won't appear for several months. so there is no way of shortcutting the process of approving a vaccine without doing it unsafely. and i think it is unfortunate -- who knows what is driving the russians to dry to be the first on the block to get the vaccine out, but it is a dangerous game to play. and i hope we do not replicate that shortcutting in the united states, lindsey. >> and a lot of people kind of talk about this vaccine as being this do you remember-all. but yesterday dr. fauci said the chances of developing a highly effective vaccine, that means 98% or more guaranteed protection are pretty slim. he said scientists are hoping for at least 75% but they will take 50 or 60. why is it so hard to get that percentage high center and is

50% enough? -- higher? and is 50% enough. >> it is not enough. not enough to get the heard immunity to protect the entire population. it is a process we are experting with right now. for example, some of the more promising vaccine eens in the laboratories are vaccines that have never been developed before, by a mechanism using messenger rna, it is a dallas/fort worth process than what we are used to doing with vaccine development. everything approximate had is new and experimental. and tony fauci is expressing the right level of caution. we should not be putting all of our hopes in this particular basket. and we may not get a vaccine that works and that is safe in the near future. it could be well into late 2021 before we actually see something that we feel confident about distributing to the entire population. >> and then there is the public

distrust. quickly we want to get to a new gallup poll released showing one in three americans would not get a free fda-approved vaccine. does that surprise you? how dangerous is that mistruss? >> it is very dangerous. it is built on a foundation of a lot of people who are anti-vaccines in general, way before this covid-19 pandemic started. we are going to have a problem convincing americans to take this which won't help at all in tamping down the spread of the zooiz disease. >> doctor, thank you so much. coming up, war gaming the 2020 election. no one knows exact he how how the election will play out. with you one group has simulated the possible outcome. and only one of them doesn't involve complete chaos. we will explain next. we see you....looking out for all of us.

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nbc news has confirmed he will announce that he has signed an executive order on coronavirus relief aid. and we will of course bring that to you live as soon as it begins. as we count down the days until the november election, one bipartisan group decided to quietly convene to see how the trump versus biden matchup could play out. the findings weren't pretty. the 67 players, many of them high-profile critics of the president, including law professors, retired military officers, former u.s. officials and attorneys grappled with questions that seem less far fetched by the day. questions like what if president trump refuses to concede a loss? howe far could he go to preserve his power? what happens if democrats don't accept the results? and will be a sentee voting be weaponized by the trump campaign on election day? after acting out the various scenarios, the group says its conclusions were alarming. joining me now is one of the organizers, and participants,

cofounder of the transition integrity praj, kneels gilman. during this acting out of scenarios of how this might go, three out of the four of your group's conclusions resulted in what you guys are calling a constitutional crisis, not putting it lightly there. can you tell us about those? and which one isn't completely dire? >> we gaemd out four scenarios on what could happen after election day. there were lots of other people concerned with making sure we maintain the integrity of our election process. you had the admiral on the show a few minutes ago talking about some of the things we were protecting against cyber incursi incursions. we are talking about what could happen between election day and inauguration day. we looked at four scenarios, one where trump one -- won big, one

where biden won big, one where there was a close victory. in three of the four scenarios, winners call candidates called their followers into the streets. the only scenario where we didn't end up with that outcome was this the case of a biden landslide. >> you were quoted in u.s.a. today saying the president is trying to claim as many prenarratives for claiming that the results are not legitimate and he wants to create fear, uncertainty and doubt so people feel frozen and paralyzed. shouldn't we sounding the alarm about potential chaos, the fact we might not know on election night who the winner was because so many americans will be voting by mail? >> that's exactly right. i think there is a responsibility of individual citizens, of elected officials, of the media to make americans aware that we are going to have

unprecedented numbers of people voting by mail, absentee. those are the same thing. those ballots will take a long time to be counted. we are to the going to have a result on election day. we won't know the results on the night or necessarily the next morning on the election. there is going to be an election season, an election week and we need to be prepared to let that play out. i think what every american ought to want is that everybody who wants to vote should be able to vote and every vote should be counted that will take some time. what people can do if they want to contest the results is use the time period when the vote count is playing out to create problems in the process. there could be not just contestation at legal level although toast that's likely to take place as well. also using the powers of the executive branch of government to potentially manipulate the process. >> kneels gilman, thank you so

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all together. washington, d.c. attorney general carl racine announced a suit on thursday against the foundation accusing it for allowing charitable funds for non-charitable purposes. thatnra and four executives including the ceo wayne lapierre alleging they used the corporation as quote a personal piggy bank that contributed to a loss of millions of dollars in three years. the nra struck back with a counter lawsuit while lapierre who led the nra nearly three decades called the suit an un-constitutional, premeditated attack. joining me now shannon watts founder of moms demand action for gun sense in america and back with me barbara mcquaid former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan and nbc news legal analyst. shannon, i know you are part of gun sense university this weekend a training summit for gun safety activists. what are you hearing from them on this news?

>> well, i have to be honest and say we are certainly celebrating that finally all of the misdeeds of the nra are coming to light. we have thousands of our volunteers together this weekend. meanwhile the nra is mired in legal trouble, financial trouble, political trouble, and it is quite evident that the gun saw of the movement has never been stronger and that the nra has never been weaker and we're very grateful to leticia james and the new york attorney general for bringing this to light. >> barbara you wrote an op-ed in the daily beast that focuses on this case saying it easily could have been framed as a criminal case but there's been a lack of action from the doj. how likely is it that something will come of this that the nra could in fact be dissolved given this is all civil and not criminal? >> i think it is a very strong lawsuit. it is something like 164 pages and although there are critics who are looking at this as a political attack, if you look at

it, this is an old fashioned corruption case. the attorney general details all of the abuses of using membership dues on things like flights to the bahamas and use of a private yacht, expensive meals, luxury items. this is very similar to some cases brought against the uaw in my former district the u.s. attorney's office for the eastern district of michigan. so i think it is a very strong case and could be that one of the reasons that attorney general james has chosen this path of civil versus criminal enforcement is because of the dissolution you mentioned, that could be a remedy. if she can show that the nra engaged in a pattern of fraudulent activity, dissolution is a potential remedy here. >> shannon, let's jump forward three steps and say that happens. what would an america without the nra look like? what would that mean for some of your efforts? >> well, obviously the nra has

been one of the most powerful and wealthy special interests that ever has existed. i would never count the nra down and out ever. they are just waiting for a democratic administration to come back so that they can exploit tragedy and misinformation to gun sales. that said we can continue to keep our foot on their neck and it is why we have to elect joe biden in this election cycle, and gun sense candidates up and down the ballot because it is really the only way we can finally have life saving gun laws not just in the states which we've had huge success in doing over the last eight years but also at a federal level. >> you said this is a strong lawsuit. any hurdles or potential challenges you see coming up? >> certainly one of the defenses we've already seen is this argument that this is politically charged but i don't think so. if you look at the allegations here they are all about numbers. prosecutors love cases about numbers because numbers don't

lie. i'm sure the evidence in this case is all about documentation and so to even write a document like the one that attorney general james has filed requires the documentation. she has the receipts and so as a result i see this being a very strong case. now, it may be that it is one that ends up with a resolution, one that requires the ousting of wayne lapierre and some of the other officials and even if the nra is resolved i imagine some new organization would arise even a new nra but, nonetheless, the way this document is framed suggests that the legal arguments are going to be very strong. >> finally, the president has suggested that the nra moved to texas. what would that do? >> only if they engage in legal activity i would imagine that the members of the nra should be demanding that any organization that collects its dues and represents its interests does so to advance their interests and

the interests of the mission not in the interest of the people running the organization. >> shannon, what is next for you and your group? you said your efforts include not letting up. what is on the horizon? >> we are spending $60 million in this election cycle more than any other organization in the country. we are very committed to getting out the vote. we thought we'd be ringing physical door bells and instead are ringing digital door bells. that is why thousands of us are together this weekend to learn more about phone calling and text banking and all of the different technologies we can use to make sure we win in november. and, look. we have to undo the unspeakable damage that the nra has done to the political system and the best way is to get off the sidelines and get involved in the election and win in november. >> shannon watts and barbara mcquaid, thank you for your time. much more in the next hour.

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this hour president trump is scheduled to sign executive orders on the coronavirus relief package after talks between congressional democrats and administration officials collapsed. we are joined now by nbc's josh letterman and nyu professor of law melissa murray.

josh, we'll begin with you. in the last hour we confirmed he will sign an executive order. anything else we know? >> yeah, that's right. we knew as of a couple hours ago president trump for the second time in two days had hastily called a press conference that was not previously on his schedule. we did not know exactly what was going to take place at that news conference. now in the last few minutes a white house official confirm pg the presidepg -- confirming the president will sign an executive order on coronavirus economic relief. we don't know exactly what will be in what the president signs today but a pretty good sense of what he is looking at based on some comments the president made last night when he threatened to take executive action and outlined steps including the eviction moratorium that so many democrats and republicans want to be extended right now. the president also looking at a payroll tax deferment. something that is very controversial even among republicans who say it is not the best way to juice the