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away their good-byes. >> farewell to hannah hill. never forgotten by her family and friends, or as it turned out, by the criminal justice system. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. first up on msnbc, exit stage right, president trump abruptly ends his executive order news signing conference after one specific question, details on that and a what he signed. grim milestone, america's battle with covid-19 reaches record levels, but the big question, has the virus peaked in the united states? going, going gone. some businesses and jobs that survived for a time now may never come back. a new list is out of what's not sticking around. voting by mail, a new report today on how it might fail those most in need. the details ahead as we do say good morning, everybody, it is
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sunday, august 9th. i'm kendis gibson. >> and i'm corey coffin, we are live from msnbc world headquarters in new york. >> we do say hello to boston, looking to be a beautiful day today, red sox pitching, now -- >> that was a little bit more of a mess. >> heard them again yesterday, the blue jays 2-1 over the red sox, but luckily here in new york, corey -- >> yes. >> -- we have the amazing mets and the amazing weather. >> the weather is looking fantastic. if you're looking at the live shot right now, it is a great start, great sunday in new york. >> this is usually a downtown shop from 30 rockefeller center looking at the beautiful empire state building and one world trade center. wow. so good that we pay for that view. >> just a gorgeous shot this morning. >> that's awesome. >> absolutely. >> all right. >> all right. let's dive right in. first this morning president trump seizing the power of his podium and his pen bypassing congress and signing an executive order and three
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memoranda on the covid relief after stimulus talks with democrats failed. >> josh edelman has the details from washington for us. josh, at least one republican senator is using the technical term here that i think they use on the capitol there, calling it unconstitutional slop. >> that's right. a lot of push back to president trump, but the president yesterday insisting that he's out of patience and out of time when it comes to waiting for congress to act to bring relief needed by millions of americans across the country. the president announcing a hastily arranged news conference in bedminster last night that he was taking four different steps through executive action. this is not a law passed by congress, this is the president taking pen to paper and using executive authority to extend unemployment benefits for americans out of work due to the coronavirus pandemic at a level of $400 per week. that's more than the $200 that the white house had initially been offering to democrats in their negotiations, but notably
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it's far less than the $600 that had been provided before those benefits expired and that democrats were calling to be continued for the rest of the year. the president also moving to defer payroll taxes through the end of 2020 on the employer side, meaning employees might get a little bit more money in their paycheck. the president also moving to extend that eviction on moratoriums during the pandemic as well as deferring student loan payments and forgiving interest on those payments. but there is a couple of glitches or catches as democrats would say here. on those unemployment benefits the president actually wants states to pick up the tab for a quarter of the cost of extending those benefits. states across the country saying they do not have the resources to do that right now. when it comes to the payroll tax deferment, it's unclear whether people would actually have to pay that back at the end of the year, meaning they may get hit with a tax bill that they are not really expecting. now, i want you to take a listen
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to what the president said to nbc's kelly o'donnell when she asked him last night about those unemployment benefits. >> why did you decide on $400 when previously families were receiving $600? that will be a hardship for many. what do you say to them? >> well, no, it's not a hardship. this is the money that they need. this is the am unthey want and this gives them a great incentive to go back to work. >> already a lot of push back from some republicans on capitol hill and just about every democrat saying the president is going way past his authority by taking these steps. we heard from chuck schumer and nancy pelosi the top democrats in the senate and the house, in a joint statement saying today's meager announcement by the president show president trump still does not comprehend the seriousness or the urgency of the health and economic crises facing working families. we're also hearing from the presumptive democratic nominee, joe biden, also pushing back on these steps by the president saying in a statement that
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president trump has been unable to deliver for the american people in a time of crisis and has offered a series of half-baked measures. but the president, kendis, is holding out the possibility that this will not be the end of the discussions on capitol hill. even though those talks have not been making a lot of progress, both sides saying they are willing to stick at the negotiating table. president trump leaving the door open to some type of a deal in congress to take much more sweeping action even as he moves forward with these executive actions on his own. >> yeah, this sounds like a little bit of a nonstarter, though, with many, many congressional folks. the other thing that i'm curious about, josh, the setting and the exit for that news conference. >> yeah. >> that the president had yesterday. it reminds me of here in new york where you have the apollo theater, we used to have sandmen that would pull you off when you were messing up. what happened? >> well, this is two days in a row that we have had this
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bizarre experience where the president held what was essentially half a presidential news conference and half a political rally. he was at his club in bedminster in the room with the typical reporters questioning the president where a whole bunch of the president's supporters and members of his club who is kind of booing and cheering based on the various questions that the white house press corps was asking the president and then at the very end of that news conference he got asked about a false claim that he had made about veterans legislation he said he signed into law, was actually from before the president even took office. the president bristling at that question, abruptly calling an end to the news conference and walking out without giving an answer. >> props to paula reid from cbs for continuing with that question there. josh lederman live in washington for us. thanks. >> and she teased that on twitter saying she would be able to make it to that press conference. another thing i want to note from josh's report is in addition to the states having to approve that extra 25% people actually have to be able to be
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approved through their state before they even qualify for the federal aid, the additional $300, so there is a chunk of people who aren't going to qualify for this $400 in additional federal aid. >> that's not going to happen, or is it? let's find out. the president's new executive actions could face legal challenges in the coming days. joining us is nbc news legal analyst glen kir i wish ner. good morning to you. when you look at these four actions which do you think is most likely to face a legitimate legal opposition? >> good morning, corey and kendis. when it comes to executive orders they are not all created equal. if we look at, for example, his attempt to spend money, with he all know congress has the power of the purse n a time of a declared national emergency, which we are courtesy of the coronavirus the president does have enhanced ability to move money around but doesn't have
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the power of the purse. when it comes to extending the unemployment benefits to the tune of $400 a week that one is probably dead in the water. when it comes to dee playing the repayment of student loans that one the department of education probably has some ability and programs that would enable the federal government to delay the repayment of student loans, but you have to wonder if this wasn't just a cynical attempt by the president to box the democrats into a corner by saying, look, i'm going to throw all of these executive orders against the wall and if you don't like them you can sue me. you know, what will he then be able to say in the upcoming election? i tried to do good for the people, but the democratic-controlled house tried to sue me and shut it down. and i will say that there is some precedent for bringing suit in a situation like this. remember the house sued president obama's administration for some of the spending
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provisions in the affordable care act, so-called obamacare. so get ready, it may be that the house brings suit to shut down some of this unlawful spending. >> and that's one of the things in essence that senator sasse of nebraska who was calling this unconstitutional slop. he was saying congress of course has the power of the purse and as they did with president obama and his executive action with daca and immigration there is a limit to executive actions legally. >> there is. and i think he has probably overstepped that limit. >> okay. >> and, you know, i guess, kendis, when he said something like i assume i'm going to be sued, you know, if you are the president and you are signing executive orders that you believe are legally bulletproof do you really make a statement like, well, i assume i'm going to be sued. i think that was a tell that the president knew he was overstepping his authority. >> okay. so, glen, what does that mean
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for the aid that he tried to put in place? will it ever materialize if it does face these legal actions? >> that's a great question because people are hurting. people do need this relief. even though the president is going about it in a way that is probably exceeds his authority, this should be a wake-up call to congress that you can't just sit on your hands. you need to pass relief packages that are lawful, that are within your authority as congress to spend money and you need to give people the relief that they need at this moment in time during our national health crisis. >> no doubt. nbc's glenn kirshner thank you for braunging it down for us. overnight the country reached a stark new milestone surpassing 5 million confirmed cases in the coronavirus crisis. the u.s. leads the world in case count, more than 163,000 americans have died. >> as public health officials across the globe scramble for a
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cure a new poll shows in one in every three americans would not get a covid vaccine if it were available today. 35% of americans say they would not get a free fda-approved vaccine while 65% said they would. this week it is involving day at dozens of college campuses across the country. notre dame resumes classes tomorrow, but already one person at the university has tested positive for covid-19. that person and six others are in quarantine. the school's president says all students were tested before returning to campus. and in orlando walt disney world is cutting back its hours after reporting a dramatic fall in earnings. the park reopened to visitors in july. those hours will be trimmed after labor day. this comes as florida has become a coronavirus epicenter with over 526,000 cases. despite those rising numbers in florida schools are being asked to allow students back into the classrooms. >> the state is facing legal challenges over the order which would require schools to offer some kind of in-person learning.
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>> chris pollone is joining us from winter garden, florida. that school district is one of the biggest in the state and they're starting their semester tomorrow morning. do they have a plan to keep kids safe? >> reporter: good morning, corey and kendis. that's a great question. normally back to school time is a joyous time for parents, students and teachers, maybe mostly for parents, but this year just like all across the country in 2020 it is fraught with peril as you might imagine. as you said here in orange county that's the orlando area school does open tomorrow but you won't see any school buses pulling up here and dropping kids off. that's because in orange county they have decided to spend the first nine days of instruction of the semester online only. so all of the 200,000 students here in this county will be doing online instruction and then they have the option to go back to school into the classroom on the 21st.
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at this point about 37% of parents have opted to send their children back into the classroom, meaning the vast majority will continue with online learning, but even this is controversial. even as the county says that they feel like they are as prepared as possible, putting sanitizing in the schools, requiring masks, doing social distancing with fewer students they're able to distance a little bit better, there is a lot of controversy here in the state of florida because the education department has mandated that school districts must offer some sort of in-person instruction if parents want it this fall and some school districts are pushing back saying that they don't feel it's safe. as a matter of fact, there are at least three lawsuits, two of them here in orange county, trying to prevent in-person instruction from taking place with teachers unions arguing that it's just not safe for teachers and for students. yesterday we spoke with one
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teacher union representative who said that last week when talks broke down between the county and the teachers union, now it's going to court, possibly sometime early this week. they said it's just not safe. >> virtual education, distance learning is not optimal. it is not the way that we want to teach our kids. we want to have that magic created between a teacher and a student, but given the circumstances that we have it's dangerous, it's life or death right now and people from cafeteria workers to bus drivers to paraprofessionals and k through 12 teachers they should not be putting their lines on the line trying to educate kids. >> reporter: now, of course, across the state there are plans to contact trace if students do test positive or teachers for that matter, but of course here in florida they're keeping an eye on other school districts around the country which have already opened, places like
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georgia, mississippi, tennessee, indiana, some of those school districts have only been open for a week and are already seeing positive cases. >> and so important to note, too, after six days of decline in florida another spike of 8,500 cases reported. chris pollone live in winter garden, florida. thank you. breaking news major unrest in the middle east at this hour. thousands gathering overnight in israel outside the prime minister's home calling for benjamin netanyahu to resign. their anger partly over his handling of the covid crisis in that country. in nearby lebanon the after shock of that deadly beirut blast, protesters have stormed government buildings and calling for a revolution. the latest from the streets of lebanon next. e streets of lebanon next ta-da!
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fire and fury in beirut last night with more clashes between
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protesters and security forces. demonstrations outside government buildings went on for hours there with police firing tear gas canisters and rubber bullets to disburse the crowd. over 700 people were hurt. >> it is breaking news that is taking place right now in the middle east and specifically beirut. protesters there are blaming government negligence for the blast that took place that killed more than 100 people, dozens remain unaccounted for and nearly 6,000 people were injured and this is the after shock and the aftermath of all of it. the continued unrest in beirut. rebecca collared is monitoring the developments for us and joins us from the lebanese capital. rebecca, it's afternoon so far. i know these protests were happening well before the blast. it would seem as if this blast amped things up even more. >> reporter: yes, and let me first of all just show before we get to the protests yesterday and what's planned for today, i'm actually down at the port
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now and you can see behind me these grain silos we have been talking about that are destroyed that are threatening lebanon's wheat supply and i will just turn you around here, you can see how destroyed this area is and just show you this residential neighborhood behind me, this is mostly apartments and a few offices. you can just see the massive destruction there. so we understand that the search and rescue operations are ongoing this morning, there is hope from these crews that they will find somebody under the rubble and there is also this massive cleanup operation again today, there's thousands of volunteers in the street helping to clean up the rubble, but, you know, as you said, many of these people are also planning to protest. so, you know, there's -- yesterday as well -- a lot of the volunteers that spent hours and hours in the streets cleaning up then headed down for these massive anti-government protests that we saw last night. as you said, the protesters clashed with police, a number of people were injured. what i'm hearing from people today is that there is a plan for more protests because, you
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know, people are just so angry about what happened that they absolutely blame the government and, you know, the country's prim has said -- he had said yesterday he would call for early elections but that doesn't seem to be doing anything to quell the anger here. >> i can imagine. i should note to the viewers on the left that you were seeing a little bit earlier is a live shot of what could only be described as the ground zero. you see it right there. it doesn't seem as if much is moving as far as work or construction cranes to try to clean up that area. where rebecca is, not too far from it, you've got the context of it. you have all these residential buildings and office buildings. rebecca, do they suspect that there are people that are still buried and stuck inside many of these structures? >> reporter: well, kendis, that's the hope, actually. there's still dozens of people missing and there's a hope that some of them are still stuck around the rubble. that's why these crews, five days later, the blast was tuesday, we're sunday morning here or sunday afternoon and there is a hope that possibly
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there are still people that are stuck under the rubble alive, that's why we're seeing crews go out with dogs trying to sort through the rubble. as we said also yesterday the reason this is taking so long, kendis, is because of the massive blast area. this is the port behind me, but even miles from this site we have buildings that are destroyed. you can imagine the job for rescue crews to go through all of these apartments, hundreds of thousands of destroyed homes and make sure there is no way there is somebody trapped alive there. there is still hope but that hope is fading every hour. >> pretty incredible images and incredible scenes. yet again no doubt there will be some protests all throughout beirut today. rebecca joining us there from lebanon where people are calling for a revolution, you get a sense that we are at the early stages of one. thanks. we know international aid is going to continue to increase and the bride seen in this
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terrifying video out of beirut is from the u.s. she's trying to return home along her new husband. they will be taking -- talking about this video and they were taking that video when the explosion actually happened. you saw it right there, they were thrown to the ground. >> they managed to escape. she's now pleading for the u.s. to expedite her husband's visa so that he can move to the united states with her. she will join us live coming up at 7:00 a.m. to tell us about their ordeal. i spoke with her on the phone just yesterday and she told us and told me what she did moments after that blast while in her wedding gown. you will be stunned as to what she did, her quick actions afterwards. switching gears here, the pandemic was greatly shaped the presidential race and now it's blocking access to a key group of voters. that next. a key group of voters. that next.
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for months now millions of americans have been out of work due to the pandemic and every day brings a new challenge. a new difficult decision to make. and for now it will go on for months. >> we've been following three unemployed americans, steve patterson has their stories. >> reporter: every day kin is that mayweather reaches closer to her breaking point. the only currency she has in abundance right now, faith. >> i do a lot of praying, i think about my kids, this he need me. i broke down plenty of nights thinking what am i going to do. >> reporter: we first profiled her back in june when black americans were facing their highest unemployment rate in a decade. mayweather who lives in atlanta felt forced to quit her job in april, afraid of exposing her three children to covid. >> i feel sad because i can't provide for my kids like i normally would. >> reporter: her eldest daughter diagnosed with a rare form of cancer, her youngest breathing
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problems. >> if i don't have to take them out, i will not take them out. >> reporter: and just last week another devastating blow. >> right now i just received the email that i was getting my last check. >> reporter: that additional $600 the federal government had given to unemployed americans like mayweather, gone. >> i don't know how i'm going to continue to pay my bills. i'm going to have to borrow, i guess, and hopefully everything gets paid. >> reporter:? brooklyn, new york. >> so it's been 141 days since i have been out of work. >> reporter: stacey davis lost her job back in april when new york was the epicenter of the pandemic. >> it's becoming very, very frustrating, very alarming and just very scary. >> reporter: she's since been searching for work and the loss of that extra $600 could mean davis will need to make drastic changes. >> how much longer can you sustain this before you may have
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to make that change and go back or figure out something else? >> about another two to three months. and then that's it. >> good morning, everyone. this is victor. a morning diary of how i start my day. >> reporter: for the first time in his adult life human resources executive victor patterson was laid off. >> oftentimes my day started with linkedin. >> reporter: nbc's morgan radford spoke to patterson in the beginning of the summer and several months into his job search. since then patterson has been locked in an uphill battle. >> and you don't have anything tangible to say to your wife or significant other that makes them feel like you're closing. it's -- it's tough. >> reporter: he's been spending 12 hours every day searching for the next opportunity, but his hard work paid off. >> have you had any luck out there? >> i was able to land a global hr director for an organization that is looking to grow well
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beyond its current revenue position. >> reporter: proof that through perseverance anything is possible. >> it's a battle of your mind. >> reporter: an kpoompl of hope during this pandemic. >> there is a shining light at the end of this dark cloud. >> reporter: and never losing faith. steve patterson, nbc news. >> so happy there was a happy ending at the end of that for that young man. but there are millions of others who are without work still and trying to find a job. >> and i want to note, too, cornell university study showed 31% of people have lost their jobs not once but twice since all of this started. >> wow. that's quite striking. our thanks to steve patterson right there. less than three months before the presidential election and a major avenue for candidates to connect with voters will be missing. in the last few days you may recall these days before this year's super tuesday voting began, joe biden and bernie sanders made stops at two of north carolina's historic black
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college campuses. mike bloomberg actually set up food trumps at hbcus. elizabeth warren went to south carolina hbcu and kamala harris embraced her howard roots on the trail. >> hopefully you can hear the drum line playing there rocking out to the drum line in the background. we're getting word now, though, that the country's hbcus will be going on line and that tamp us get out the vote drive that so many candidates have relied on to reach black voters will be missing a key element. the question is what now. we want to ask that question to howard university president dr. wayne frederick. thanks for with being with us today. howard university campus will look pretty different in the fall. how did you make the decision
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that classes should go online? >> well, we really attempted to bring students back because we have so many students who have housing insecurity and food insecurity, however, in d.c. students coming from 27 hot spots have to be quarantined for 14 days and that was not something we could do since 40% of our students were coming from those areas. >> it is a difficult thing there. let's talk about how the political process will be impacted by all of this. what normally happens on the howard campus during an election year? >> during an election year, especially at move in, we have a media drive, a voter registration drive to get students connected with that. through all the semester we have lots of conversing opportunities for students to really understand what the policies are, how to get out to make sure that they register to vote, for students who may not be able to get back home, who you to submit absentee ballots. now what we will be doing is doing most of that virtually, as well as the student association
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at howard is also looking to engage the students wherever they are to make sure that they can still participate. so i feel confident that we will get that done. >> okay. so this means that young black voters will be engaging in the political environment for 2020. obviously largely online. do you think that this will detract at all from their political education and engagement, though, overall? >> i don't think so. i think young black voters right now are highly motivated. after the 2016 election what we saw on our campus and has been consistent is participation in the activity that must take place. so the young black voters on my campus and i think throughout this country are really motivated to get involved, to be involved and make sure that they participate as best they can. i think you will see that all the way through. >> so, doctor, let's be honest about one part here, there are many, many hbcus that are
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hurting financial's across this country and with the pandemic and many of these campuses moving to schooling online it doesn't help matters. you did get a boost just last week by jeff bezos' former wife mckenzie scott, who is investing millions of dollars in hbcu. how needed is something like that? >> it's very critical. i mean, if you look at the combined endowment of all the hbcus it's about $3.2 billion. there's several schools in this country that have ten times that in their own endowments. so we clearly have a need for that support. but, kendis, what i will tell you i'm most worried about is the fact that this freshman class ended their high school career in a very unusual circumstance, didn't get the usual gratification from that commencement ceremony and now they're starting in an unusual manner and that's what i'm most worried about, especially for low-income students who may be
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the first person in college in their family, i think that's a difficult way. so we have to really be cautious with them as we go forward. >> dr. frederick, can i jump on that and take it four years ahead to the seniors who graduated last year, they are in in job market now. we know that the unemployment has unfortunately affected the black community so much harder, they have 14.6% unemployment rate right now. is the alumni association for howard doing anything to kind of reach out to these new graduates who are struggling getting jobs? >> the alumni association, alumni network, is always very supportive of new students -- of new graduates i should say and getting them into that network, but we as an institution are trying to build out a network that would help alumni be able to retool and upscale as well. so we just recently started a couple of certification programs that we are encouraging alum to
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do, new graduates, where they can get their technology skills upgraded as well so that they can be more competitive in the market. so i think it's -- all of us has to participate in how we can really combat this disproportionate impact that this recession is having on the african-american community. >> dr. frederick, as you know, kamala harris is a proud howard alum from some years ago, we'll say. has the biden campaign reached out to howard to vet her? >> no. one of the things that we don't do is participate in the political process in that way, as you can imagine. but having said that, and trying to be as apolitical as possible, i am a fan of senator harris, i know her personally. she is a proud howard alumni and most importantly she is well-qualified and i think it says a lot about what our hbcus in this country mean if we can send her to shatter two glass
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ceilings all at once. >> dr. wayne frederick, thank you. of howard university. appreciate it. >> thank you. kendis, trying to get the answers. trying to. as the weeks go on and as the days going on we anticipate the veeps announcement. millions of americans thought they were laid off temporarily face a grim reality that it could be permanent. aril that it could be permanent uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card. (burke)eighbor) oh, just puttering, tinkering... commemorating bizarre mishaps that farmers has seen and covered. had a little extra time on my hands lately. (neighbor) and that? (burke) oh, this? just an app i've been working on. it's called signal from farmers, and it could save you up to fifteen percent on your auto insurance. simply sign up, drive and save. but i'm sure whatever you've been working on is equally impressive. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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for 20 straight weeks more than 1 million americans filed for unemployment each week. this comes as a second
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coronavirus relief bill hangs in limbo after lawmakers failed to reach an agreement. >> joining us now is yahoo finance reporter sibile marcellus. good morning. good to see you. there are now more than 12 million people that are out of work, some have been unemployed since april of this year. is this going to create any permanent damage, do you get a sense, to the economy? >> yes, it definitely indicates that the u.s. economy is still in trouble. we got the jobs report and while it did exceed expectations by adding about 1.8 million jobs in july, it's still a far cry from what we saw just a month ago in june where 4.8 million jobs were added. so we're still seeing major red flags in the u.s. economy, we definitely need more help from the government, president trump is trying to go it alone with executive orders. when you look at the unemployment rate it fell to 10.2%, but it's still abnormally high given as cori was saying that we're seeing more than a million americans losing their jobs for 20 weeks straight. >> so put that into perspective at the great recession at its
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peak 10% unemployment. so we're still .2% worse than that. sibile, between june and july more than 6 million jobs added total. do you know where those jobs are coming from? >> yes, we're seeing bars and restaurants are struggling big time with the pandemic trying to reopen, we're seeing the restaurant industry signaling that operating at 50% seating capacity is extremely difficult. some are unable to open and those that are able to open are saying they are not going to stay open for very long with those social distancing guidelines. they need more assistance from the government. but given that we're still seeing in july the biggest jobs gains actually came from eating and drinking establishments. they added about a half a million jobs. government added about 300,000 jobs in july and retail added about 258,000 jobs. >> based on my credit card bill i contribute it to retail and the restaurant business a lot. >> good, kendis. >> yes.
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doing my part for the economy. but the associated press created a list of jobs and businesses that may never return, including traditional retail positions. doctors offices even and 20% of the restaurant industry to carry on on what you were saying. you have a sense, do you agree, that those people will never make it back? >> well, i'm always hopeful. so i don't want people to not be able to return to their jobs. you look at total employment, so we have 12.9 million jobs now than we had back in february pre-pandemic. what we're seeing is that we can get back to that level but government assistance is critical. we do need the white house and congress to come up with a deal. just yesterday the paycheck protection program expired, meaning that small businesses can't apply for new loans. we know that while it's important for the government to help big corporations, there are also employers, what about small businesses they employ nearly half of the u.s. total
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workforce. so they do need assistance and that's what we need in order to help the economy recover. we also need americans to have their wallets be full of cash so that they can spend. that accounts for about 70% of gdp. so when it comes to the stimulus checks, when it comes to extending unemployment benefits, that's key. >> sibile marcellus, thank you. so good to see you. mail-in voting is no sure thing for people who don't want to risk going to the polls on election day. >> you know the post office model talking about neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night. well, what about political corruption? and people screwing with the mail? we'll talk about it next. g withe il we'll talk about it next e artis, i appreciate what makes each person unique. that's why i like liberty mutual. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. almost done. what do you think?
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unfolding in the indian ocean. look at this, a ship ran aground and is spilling fuel around the island nation of mauritius and you can see the crystal clear water there is, just muddied by the sticky oil. >> we're getting new video in this morning of the devastation along the country's beaches and lagoons. residents are trying to clean up the fuel and rescue animals as well, but there are new fears today that today's worsening weather could tear the ship apart and leak even more. >> we'll continue to watch that for you. and follow it along. let's turn to coronavirus now. new information on a coronavirus outbreak on a cruise ship, one of the first to begin operating after the industry shut down. >> in forwanorway, 62 people te positive after they disembarked in a town. tess arsilla is nearby in brussels, belgium. tessa? >> reporter: hi there, guys.
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this was one of the crews ships, one of the first ones to start sailing again since the pandemic began and yes, they have, i've been reporting on this the last few days and this number keeps going up so the latest number is 62, and it is worrying, because they might have stopped in one port but the nature of cruise ships they stop from port to part. the norwegian government stopped allowing any ship with more than 100 people in disembarking passengers for the next 14 days. this has really caused worry on the ground in norway. we spoke to the mayor of the town and he really thinks that the lifting of restrictions and allowing summer travel that it happened a little too early. take a listen. >> i think you have to be prepared when we open society, it's a little bit dangerous. a lot of governments around
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europe open up. we have to open up, and now we can see maybe too early, maybe we should wait after the holidays. >> reporter: so it's a bit of a stop and start situation here in europe, as we see with the lifting of borders. the u.s. is actually taking a harder stand on this. there is still a u.s. ban on cruise ships. they updated it in the last few days, up to the end of october, and actually pre-covid times, more than half of cruise ship travelers are americans so this is really such a big thing for the industry. now, there will be at the peak of the pandemic, guys, you remember, more than 50 ships around the world that have the outbreaks so it's something they're worried about. what is interesting one point we spoke toment so of the people on that ship and they said they booked cruise ship holidays for future already and they're not put off by this. that's the silver lining for the industry because a lot of loyal
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