admit that that russians have engaged in cyber attacks against the united states, that you encouraged espionage against our people, that you are willing to spout the putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up nato, do whatever he wants to do and that you continue to get help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race. >> good morning.

i'm zerlina maxwell. we're smack dab in the mid of of the most important presidential election of our lifetime. the top u.s. intelligence official reported russia is actively meddling once more. this time, russia is working to attack joe biden and to help reelect donald trump. who has repeatedly shown he does not take this threat seriously. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. i have president putin, he just said it's not russia. i will say this i don't see any reason why it would be. >> if russia, china offers you information on an opponent, should you accept it or call the fbi? >> i think you do both. i think you might want to listen. you talk honestly to

congressmen, they call do it. they always have. that's the way it is. >> now instead of addressing the threat, trump is doing everything he can to distract from it like holding saturday afternoon press conferences to sign flimsy executive orders. it's not just russia. both china and iran are looking for ways to influence our elections. senator richard blumenthal joins me now. senator, thank you for being here. >> good to be with you. >> i want to start out talking about your tweet. so the other day you tweeted something that was particularly alarming if you're a voter concerned with another russia attack on the election and our

failure to address it. you said that there are certain materials that you have seen that should be declassified to allow for transparency to the american voter. where do we go from here? how are you able to make that happen so that the american people have all the information they need going into november? >> the information that i heard in this classified setting where we're sworn to secrecy is absolutely chilling, startling and shocking. the american people need and deserve to know it. it comes from intelligence sources that we are now barred from revealing, but the next step really is for the trump administration to declassify, to make it available. we're talking about foreign threats to our democracy. some of them in terms of global

activities are described in a state department report that was released just last wednesday and show that the past soviet or russian techniques are looking like child's play compared to what they are doing now globally and there's no reason to think the united states is immune from these kinds of threats from fake online identities, from false front groups, responsponsored b russians, state-sponsored media. they're all going on now and show they have done it here in the united states in the past. >> when you talk about the online presence of bots and accounts that are impersonating supporters of particular candidates, it remind me so much of 2016. you saw facebook recently took down accounts of people pretending to be supporters of

certain candidates and in 2016 i remember there being fake accounts of people pretending to be black people who supported bernie sanders. i'm worried about the voter suppression that can result from this type of misinformation. so in your view, what can we do about the presence of those bots and those online accounts where people are i mpersonating american voters to misinform the public about particular candidates? >> that's a really important and profound point because we're talking about the bedrock of our democracy, our free and fair elections -- or at least they should be. voter suppression is the result of not only activities abroad, but possible suppression by actors here at home. so the funding of the heros act portion that would provide for

more election security, $3.6 billion is essential. the first step is to make the american people aware of this absolutely chilling threat so they can know there are these bots and laundering of money and misinformation. there's also the threat of covert hacks and international proxies that are masquerading as political groups in this country. the american people need to be aware of this classified information that really should not be classified. i'm aware that protecting methods and sources has an importance. overclassifying or unnecessary classifying is really a disservice to the intelligence community. they gather this information. it's extremely useful and ought to be made aware to the american people. >> thank you, senator richard

blumenthal. this is an important conversation. we're just a few short months away from the election. i'm sure we'll be focussed on that to make sure the election is fair and everything is secure in terms of the infrastructure. i would like to bring in malcolm nance, author of "the plot to betray america." national security analysis clint watts and my buddy maria cumar. i'm so happy you're able to join me this morning to talk about this important topic we should be focussed on right now because even in the midst of covid-19, if we can't get this election correct in terms of just ensuring people are able to participate and we can have faith in the process, it seems to me we don't have any other options in terms of getting out

of this crisis. malcolm, i want to go to you first. four years ago on this very program with my colleague, the great joy reid, you said that the russian intelligence forces were attacking the united states government. now that we know so much in hindsight what do you say today now that we have the news they're doing it again? >> very simply that russian intelligence forces, the kremlin itself, led by an ex kgb officer, are still attacking the united states. this nation had not stopped being under threat since 2016. they understand -- this is what's brilliant about the russians. they actually use their academia to inform their intelligence agencies and their government in decisions in order to show that they know how americans think. unlike us, we just pretend like

none of this is going on. they target very specific communities, like the african-american communities, the latino communities, even the trump supporters, in order to enhance, even if it's 1% or 2% the turn out to get their candidate elected. we know that's donald trump. vladimir putin admitted this in helsinki that he wanted trump to be president of the united states. the only thing you can do is be cognizant. pick your candidate and stay there no matter what you hear in the cyber sphere. >> that's an important point. clint, i want to go to you next. your book focuses on the on the line attack in the sense there were bots. there were people impersonated black people who supported bernie sanders.

in terms of how to combat that in a more micro sense, i understand malcolm's point about staying vigilant and picking your candidate and not believing misinformation. i think covid changes the amount that people are paying attention. what can we do to combat the misinformation we see online? >> there are a few things we should know. one, at least we're having a conversation about it this year. if you look back to 2016 we weren't talking about it. if you look at the civil society efforts and the think tanks out there, our team had been working on this. america knows a lot more now than they did four years ago. you've got the social media companies. you saw major companies do major take downs related to russian

troll farms, to taking down accounts from china as well when it's on twitter. then you look at the government, the state department report, i'm thrilled they put it out there so we know more. the biggest thing is it comes down to individuals being more resilient to not consuming information that comes from people that look like them and talk like they can, but not be who they say they are. look at who is this account? is it really located where it says it is? does the person put an identity forward? are they hiding their face with a picture of plants or flowers or dogs? what is the actual source of the information? the reason social media is so damaging for elections and can be used as a tool is because the messenger is the source of the information. people don't check where does that meme come from that says fact? how do you know that's a fact? there's no sourcing to it. being able to ward those things

off helps. the american public is more aware of it now. if they're falling for this stuff, they want to fall for it. >> that's an interesting point about wanting to fall for it. eye want to talk to maria about this specific issue of voter suppression of voters of color. they're not doing this for no reason. they understand americans and they understand we have divisions along racial lines. "the l.a. times" reported about a war room that arms people against misinformation. as groups do the work of trying to match the most prolific propaganda, other organizations including color of change and a

nonprofit launched are racheting up their campaigns to force more action on the platforms. maria, in your view, what can be done from the policy standpoint in these companies to help educate their users about the specific targeting of communities of color with misinformation? it's not just misinformation more broadly. they obviously understand our racial divisions, sometimes in ways that are more nuanced than we do. >> full disclosure, i met with a group of individuals right after the 2016 election. some of the information that was disclosed, it was mind numbing. what we have learned is that misinformation is the russian's tool of choice and facebook for the most part is the delivery system. they have weaponized this idea of a diverse america for their own use because they know our

diversity is our strength. until we're cognizant of how the information the perpetrated and how we're being used as part of that, we won't be able to stop the russian interference. in 2016 one of the ads running on facebook was a picture of hillary clinton, it said in spanish, don't stand in line, text your vote come november. that's blatantly false information. under rules of facebook, if i as an individual citizen put that on my facebook, they'll take it down. if donald trump, a political candidate, puts it on his facebook, they will not. that's where we have to make sure we're holding our elected officials also accountable to make sure they're following the exact same rules. they too are perpetrators as

we've seen in the white house of misinformation. we have to be diligent. we recognize the reason putin is such a fan of donald trump is because donald trump is also doing his bidding. in the clip that you showed with hillary clinton, she warned us of him breaking down our nato alliance. what did he do in july? he announced pulling away 10,000 troops from germany, our nato ally. who was is most pleased about that? putin. it basically destabilizes us on an international level. that's what putin's doing. he recognizes our world power and recognizes that racial inequities are our achilles heel. he is not making a play for america. he's making a play where russia can be on top and we're not at

the table. >> that's the thesis of malcolm's third board. clint, i wanted to talk about the election infrastructure. one of the reports post 2016 is that there were some reports that russia may have been about to get into the voting systems. a lot of people are very concerned about this because obviously they want to have faith that the election result is accurate. what can we do about ensuring and protecting that infrastructure? is that just the funding in congress that is being held up by these negotiations and we have no recourse other than that, clint? >> there's two parts of it. one is an active defense. he saw that in 2018, the national security agency took measures to prevent hacking. this time the challenge is the states and federal government being able to defend multiple election systems.

not just voting in person, but voting by mail. the complexity of this election in 2020 is going to be more complex because you have 50 states behaving in different ways in terms of how they want to conduct this. voter suppression efforts are well under way depending on what state you're in. the federal government has the ability to go into all 50 states uniformly. we can look at the department of the homeland security. they're putting out updates pretty much every week. that's a great source all americans should look to and trust. >> that's a good idea. thank you, malcolm, clint and maria. coming up as america crosses another grim milestone in the fight against coronavirus some trump supporters willfully ignore science. stay with us.

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joining me now is dr. vin gupta. good morning, i'm so happy to have you here today. >> good morning, thanks for having me. >> i want to talk about this event in south dakota. when people here a term like a super spreader event, what happens next? if all these people come into one place and congregate and, you know, have a good time without masks and they call go back to different cities in the united states, what happens next? >> it's a really important question. let me try to break it down. the idea of any super spreader event is you get individuals presumably who don't have symptoms. let's take that at face value. nobody in sturgis will have symptoms. they'll feel well. they won't mask. they won't distance. because we know now something we

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the covid data maybe two or three weeks from now. that's what my dad says. he's a biologist. what indicators should we look to to know there's a spike happening in my neighborhood or city as a result of this south dakota event? >> absolutely. i'm rattle off a few data sources and metrics. for your viewers, go to covidactnow.org. the metric that matters the most in the real time is what's our infection positivity rate? of the tests being done, how many of those are positive? if we start to see anything above 3%, above 5%, that's when you get worried about contact tracing. this test, trace and isolate

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conference went downhill from there. trump signed memorandums and executive orders on coronavirus economic relief, which circumvent congress' authority to control spending and will likely face legal challenges. when several reporters questioned him, the country club autocrat couldn't take the heat. >> reporter: when will this get in the hands of americans, what date? >> it's going to be rapid. it's going to be distributed in the fastest way. there are various methods. >> reporter: you're also expecting legal challenges? >> i didn't say that. >> reporter: yesterday, sir, you said you were -- >> i said people can do whatever they want. maybe they'll bring legal actions, but they won't win. >> reporter: mr. president, if legal action is brought against you, why not work with congress? >> i'm not saying they're not

going to come back and negotiate. >> reporter: americans want to know when they'll see the relief. >> very soon. it's right there. >> reporter: you -- >> excuse me. there it is. >> reporter: mr. president, this is expected to get tied up in the courts. >> it will go very rapidly through the courts. if we get sued, maybe we won't get sued. if we get sued, it's somebody that don't -- >> reporter: are you trying to set a new precedent? >> ever hear the word obstruction. congress has obstructed. the democrats have obstructed people from getting desperately needed money. >> reporter: mr. president, why do you keep saying -- >> excuse me. go ahead. >> reporter: it's a false

statement, sir. >> thank you very much, everybody. thank you very much. >> back with me is marie cumar and joining me is christina greer of fordham university and my fellow tufts university alumni. good morning to you both. i want to start with you, christina, that last clip of donald trump facing off against really a line of amazing women reporters -- let's just say reporters. i think it demonstrated that he really can't handle it when people are confronting him with the reality of what is going on. he's so much in his own world most of the time that when he's confronted with his lies and the reality that does not match what he's living in, he can't handle it and he runs away. how does this person get away

with pretending they're the strong one? >> donald trump has surrounded himself with si co fants. he's republican party has been in lock step with him since day one. they've contradicted themselves constantly. we see the president gets agitated when reporters, especially smart female reporters, ask him questions. we always know his tell. he starts to repeat things constantly. he usually leaves a press conference if there's a question he doesn't have any answer to or he's prepared to answer. he fundamentally doesn't understand the difference between a bill, executive order or memo. yesterday he spoke about i'm signing a bill. it's not a bill. you signed an executive order, one. you signed three memos. those are three very different things.

we're at his country club where people pay $350,000 to become members. they're obstructing the media process. when the reporters are trying to ask him questions and reporters can tell the president is unprepared, they're obstructing the way the president should answer to the american public. that's more frightening than anything else. >> you know, to the point about the fact that he's in a country club. i don't know how far we have come from the idea that john kerry is elite and democrats are elite and we're in a moment where donald trump, a republican president, is in his country club in the middle of a global pandemic after hitting the back nine announcing that he has signed bills which he's not doing. maria, i feel like we've come so far from rational serious

governance. he's going to do what he's going to do and it's our job as the media to correct and fact check. he did not sign four executive orders. he's not extending unemployment. he's cutting it and he signed three memos. >> that's exactly right. what he told reporters, saying that having the democrats say that they're cutting benefits because i extended them, that's the tell. he recognizes his election is on the brink of not being realized. he's trying to steal a headline and we can't perpetrate it. what he did yesterday is sign an executive order circumventing congress and creating a whole new program that requires states to match 25% of the $400 that he's promising the american people. in that states will now have to have a whole new program they don't have resources to do right now.

states are having a difficult time processing existing unemployment claims, state unemployment claims, let alone create a whole new agency to monitor this fake relief bill that's tnot a relief bill. one of the things he promised to do yesterday in his memo was to ensure that employers no longer had to pay payroll tax. let's level with the american people. it's not that employers don't want to hire the millions of americans unemployed, it's that they physically can't. we're talking about bars, the tourist industry and down the line. this is a ploy for the republicans to ensure the most vulnerable programs, the life line of the american public, social security and medicare become exposed and vulnerable. he promised to extend the payroll tax relief through his presidency if he was re-elected. that should be a code red for

every person who relies on social security and relies on medicare for their existence. this is a sham. when he says the democratic congress doesn't work, let's be clear. pelosi passed the heros act on may 15th, three months ago, to extend unemployment benefits. it's been mitch mcconnell who says, no, $600 is way too much for the american people. he's taking his marbles and going home. we have to speak very clearly to the american public. he tries to two parties and that's not the case. >> it feels like republicans in this moment are getting away with prioritizing corporate protections and liability protections for companies who force their employees to go back to work and they haven't provided safe conditions to do so. christina, in terms of what a

regular person can do in this moment, you have misinformation by the white house. you have misinformation by a lot of sources that we used to be able to trust, even the cdc is strangely adjusting information they're putting out to better align with what donald trump wants and specifically in terms of schools. where can we go for that trusted information and why is it, does it seem, that, you know, after what we saw yesterday and even after that clip, you see him saying i'm signing all these bills and people are acting today like he did something yesterday? he really did not. my question is really how can we push back against really the gas lighting that's going on on a mass scale? >> framers intended the three branches would be equal branches. we've seen the trump administration has tried to make

the judicial branch highly partisan and fill all the seats with republican right wing justices. we've seen the executive turn autocratic. now we have one wing of the congressional branch that reports directly to the executive branch. now, sadly the media has been playing both sides of the donald trump argument. it's up to the media to save us. shows have to have on doctors, not people who have sworn allegiance to the president. when we think about the president's framing of these benefits, lbj said a long time ago if you can convince the poorest white man is better than the negro, you can pick his pockets all day long. donald trump is affecting americans in many ways, not just

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impossible task, to be prepared and experienced but only with the right dash of humility and charm. and of course, you'd better smile but not too much. joining me now is julian castro, a former 2020 candidate. thank you for being here this morning. >> great to be with you and congrats on guest hosting this morning. >> thank you so much. i'm so excited to be here and chatting with you about this topic specifically. because as an out and open feminist, sexism is something athink bt and talkbo all t time. i'm happy to talk to you about it, and folks at home might be like why am i talking to a man about sexism? because men are the problem. most of the time. >> that is true. >> no. men are the solution to solving the problem with sexism. that was a joke. so i want to ask you about the

upcoming vice president pick. joe biden obviously has said openly he wants to pick a woman, maybe eve an woman of color. he's considering a lot of qualified women. we've seen attacks on the women, and a lot of those comments that reveal bias on the part of the person speaking about those women. so what's your reaction to some of the things that we've heard like that kamala harris is too ambitious or stacey abrams shouldn't say yes, i will accept the job of vice president and do a good job? what's your reaction to some of these things that reveal that bias? >> well, two things. first of all, that joe biden has this wealth of talented, amazing women who are prepared and any one of whom would make a tremendous vice president. and at the same time, my reaction is that the more things change, the more they stay the same. i grew up with a mom who was an

activist and ran for city council in san antonio when she was 23 in 1971. she told me stories along the way that sometimes even folks close to her thought she was stepping out of her place or that she was being too ambitious back then. in the 50 year since then, we've seen many more women get elected to local office, state office, congress. there are 127 women serving in congress. there's been progress made. at the same time we still have a media world, political world, business world that is male-dominated, and because of that, women are treated with a double standard, including this gross double standard about being too ambitious for the position that you're seeking. what happens is with guys, with men, things like ambition or

even self-promotion. we have a president who is probably the biggest self-promoter who has sat in the oval office maybe ever, and somehow that was seen by enough voters as a good thing that that would make him a her effective president. at the same time, when you have people like senator harris or stacey abrams, or represent i have karen bass who have broken barriers and had to work twice as hard at least to get there, that ambition is suddenly seen as a negative, as you're stepping out of your role in some way. when the truth is that anybody, man or woman, who matter their background, anybody that got to the position that any of these folks are in or the men in similar positions, you have to be ambitious and hardworks. you have to know your stuff, but women get dinged for this in a way that guys don't. still, in 2020, i do think that

joe biden is doing the right thing to his credit to say it's past time. you know, this should have happened a long time ago, and we have so many talented women who are out there who could serve in this role. >> yeah. i think that's a good point about how joe biden came out the gate saying he wanted and he thought it was time to select a woman. because i think that there is often the opinion that identity politics is just picking -- voting for a woman because you're a woman because you want a pretty picture where there's lots of diversity in it. and i argue in my book "the end of white politics" what you really want is the diversity of perspective that is brought into the room to make decisions. and that that is a stronger room. so in your view, in the obama administration, that was a diverse workplace. what are the benefits of having

that diversity of perspective? why is it better to have women in positions of power in your view? >> it gives perspective if you have a bunch of men around the table, that you simply don't have. it's important to be able to consider when you're the top policy maker for our country, to fully consider and understand the experience of everybody that you're cavegoverning and you ca do that unless you have the voices of mepeople who make up % of the population strongly at the table. to his credit, president obama, i think, went beyond what other administrations have done in terms of diversity, including appointing women, one of them being considered right now, susan rice, for v.p., to significant important positions. and look, representation also matters. one of the things i thought

about when i was running as one of the few latinos that's run for president was that standing on that debate stage -- i hoped there were kids out there that would say he looks like me and i can do that one day too. i think that matters. but just to be more effective in governs in the government in business in nonprofits, it does matter whether you have women at the table and people of color at the table. >> absolutely. secretary castro stay with me. let's bring in our panel. joining me is the former deputy director for hispanic for hillary clinton. and also with us is the msnbc anchor and author of "the likability trap" how to break free and succeed as you are. i want to start with alessia. i think your book speaks to so much that's relevant in conversation about the potential

vice presidential pick an how we are assessing whether or not she's up to the job or good for the job and too often we get distracted in the likability conversation. how can we shift away from whether or not the women on the list smile enough or are having enough humility or are too ambitious to get a promotion to the senate to vice president. >> as opposed to the unambitious men who have been president before her. you know this problem so well. too warm, too cold, like a bowl of porridge. a woman it seems is never quite right. when a woman is assertive or dominant, she is immediately gets dinged and called less likable. when she acts the way we expect a woman to act, when she's warm and thinks about the group, people might like her but they don't see her as a leader. the reason we're talking about this is not because these words

hurt the women. these women are tough. they have heard much worse than this before. it's about the fact that it corrupts the process. that we know that voters will vote for a male candidate they don't like so long as they believe he is kpocompetent, but women need to prove they are competent and they have to prove they are likable, but when we complicate it. the more they prove their competence, the less we as a society like them. but how do you grapple with that? a lot of it comes down to the media. some of it is about us and how we talk about the candidates but some of it is about what happens around the kitchen table. when someone defaults to i don't like her, i don't know why. ask why, and how it relates to her record. where do the things that you feel about her show up in her legislative history or in her governing record?

>> it feels like a lot of the reaction when people have a level of discomfort with a woman seeking a position of power, it's phrased like i don't know what it is, but i don't like her and they do a scrunch nice, like i don't know what it is. i know what it is. i'm raising my hand. i know what it is. i grant to go to dr. grier. there's another layer to the conversation. the list is not just women. it's women of color and specifically black women who have risen to the top of the list, and i think they face a unique and even more specific set of challenges in terms of the stereo types of black women. the too ambitious line about kamala harris came from biden's circle and chris dodd who is leading the selection process, and it was as a result of her behavior in the debate where she went after joe biden and seemed

to be too aggressive in their view. can you speak to the idea that this actually is related to views of black women throughout history, and how we can actually work to repair that image and stereo type so we can just assess these candidates on their merits? >> right. and this goes back to secretary castro's point about if young people can see it, they can be it. for black women, we have only had two elected black senators in the history of our nation. we have never had a black female governor in the history of the united states. and so already black women are at a deficit at executive level and elite level politics because there seems to be a problem for state-wide elections. when we ask the question, people can't put their finger on it. maybe it's skin tone and

ovaries. we have a series of qualified women, stacey abrams, well, even though she represented the south and was able to negotiate with republicans, she's too -- she shouldn't want the job. we have so many men who wake up one morning with few qualifications and say i want to be a mayor, governor, senator, and they have the money and means and resources and the support to make it happen, because there's an assumption that white maleness means excellence. we see this with the president. lots of people support him and there's little data to show he knows anything about what he's doing. we have to get over this hurdle. but we know this country has had a long history of pay trar can i and this country has had a long history of anti-black racism. when you put black female candidates in the mix at the highest levels, those two intersections make it even more difficult for women to rise to the top. even though joe biden has had an embarrassment of riches with the number of black women who can

serve dutifully starting january 20th if need be. >> a little bit of breaking news this morning. a poll from cbs has joe biden leading donald trump in two key battle ground states. biden is up by six points in pennsylvania and in wisconsin. i want to take that question to pow. those are two of the states that hillary clinton came up short in in 2016. and those are two of the states that gave trump the election. people i don't think people realize the latino votes in many states isn't being adequately engaged and so the margins could be different in upcoming elections if joe biden and other democrats invest in the communities. how should they go about doing that in your view? >> of course.

i've spent a lot of time in wisconsin. the latino culture in milwaukee is huge. it's not only huge, but it's diverse. i want to go back to what we were saying about the v.p. selection process and what secretary castro was saying. i think there's another added layer of exceptionism. when he was talking, i went back to the movie of salena with j-lo. salena's father says you have to be more mexican than the mexicans and more american than the americans. i think women of color have to go through where this culture only values you, women of color, only sees you as worthy if you are seen as extraordinary or exceptional. i'm only making this point because it goes back to how we can win wisconsin and pennsylvania. young people in those places need to see a woman of color v.p. that is the difference they need to see, because there's another study that went out last week that shows that black and brown

girls when they're young, these are girls that live in pennsylvania and wisconsin, when they're young, they consider themselves leaders. they tell you they want to be leaders, more so than white girls. the biggest barrier is not internally. they have the confidence. it's external barriers. those are the girls in wisconsin and pennsylvania. that is why having these conversations is so important to them. they may be watching this right now. >> absolutely. i think it's so important to think about to your point about young girls of color, because i think laverne cox said she callcal called it a possibility model. you have to be able to see it to be it. back to you, secretary castro, you're the first latino man to run for president of the united states. i think there is an even on another layer of nuance to talk about in terms of what you faced that is different than women and women of color. but you also were fairly

aggressive toward vice president joe biden in the debates, confronting him on his record. and i think even the reaction to the way you went after the vice president was received less than the media received it in a very particular way because they deemed it maybe too aggressive. maybe you didn't -- maybe you weren't humble much. there's an added level of nuance. in your view how can candidates of the diverse backgrounds try to make their message heard, actually run to get and win the job, but also deflect some of these attacks or perceptions from the mainstream media that i think limit their ability to win those races? >> that's a great question. i hope that both folks who run for president and the women who are going through this vice presidential process, be yourself.

i think this is one where we have to continue to push and push. and also work on everything else that creates this double standard in the environment around it and how you're scrutinized. for example, to just take up your question about the debates, it matters who's commenting after on the networks on the debates and how they interpret those moments. we saw that very clearly. not only with respect to me but with respect to other candidates. and, again, this goes to diversity in news rooms, on the air, and so forth. so to these candidates and to these prospective vice president shl nominees. be yourself. in the long run that's what's in the best interest to not only them, but all the little girls we were talking about and also as a country moving forward, and by doing that, we're going to

continue to help the nation get better and encourage young women to reach for their dreams and go for it, instead of trying to triple off or be too careful about who we are or try and compensate because we think this is how somebody else is going to take it. i don't think that's the right way to go, men in anne in the campaign i try -- and in the campaign i try not to do that. i'm proud of all the women mentioned for being ambitious and assertive and being themselves. >> thank you, secretary castro. i'm so glad we were able to have this conversation today. it's so important for young women in particular to hear about the fact that you should be yourself. and even if you make mistakes, i make mistakes all the time, but keep pushing forward. my other guests are going to stick around.

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in fact, what the president did is agree with the republican senators. said it was unconstitutional slop while it has the illusion of saying we're going to have a mother tore yor the yum on evic. he says he's going to do the payroll tax, he's undermining social security and medicare. so these are illusions. >> this morning on fox snnancy pelosi did not mince words about president trump's executive order. back with me to discuss is our panel. alessia, first yesterday at his country club. literally he was on the back nine and then went inside two days in a row to pretend to be

president. it felt like we're in the upside down. it wasn't four executive orders. it was three memorandum and one executive order and three of the things he's not constitutionally able to do. in the face of those facts, what -- why is donald trump doing this? is it to distract from his inability to handle covid-19 or is it something else in your view? >> i think there are a few reasons, and chief among them is he wants to look at though he is being productive. we're sitting here and talking about him. and these executive orders. these memorandums. it is incumbent upon us to move into the secondary conversation, the constitutionality and the f effica efficacy. even if you talk about the --

you heard about her talking about if it can be implementing. even if it can, you're talking about a fraction of renters covered. only a fraction of renters are in buildings with federally backed mortgages. you have housing advocates saying if you really want to help renters and want to keep people in their homes, then you have to begin providing rental assistance. this has been a sticking point. how they're going to extend federal employment benefits. they hope to see it close to the $600 mark. there are still questions, one, about whether or not states are going to want to do that additional 25%. how fast you can get that to people. those details matter. they matter for families who are making decisions about whether or not they're going to be able

to feed their kids and whether or not they're going to be able to stay in their homes. that's on the line. >> when it comes to supporting your family and keeping them safe, i want the people in charge to care about the details. i want to play sound of peter in a vor row. i'm not going to describe it. i'm going to play it and i want to get kristina's reaction on the other side. >> the question we've had watching this unfold, the question the president has is whether the democrats really are sincere when they come to the table. and i'm not sure. it doesn't help when speaker pelosi goes out after every day, her scarf flying and beats the heck out of us before being cruel people. the problem here is capitol hill. the swamp.

executive orders were created because of partisan bickering and divided government. it seems he's on another planet. he's saying the members of congress on the republican side and democratic side are too far apart. the sticking points are just on different universes. if these are the folks advising the president on what to do to help the american people. >> we should be worried. i should be extremely wealthie

advising administrations we have seen in several decades. i say that because there's substantive representation. it doesn't matter that they are old, white and wealthy. their mindset is that poor americans don't deserve anything. we have seen the way they structured ppp and where they go to their friends, to enrich their friends. we have seen the president's family become multimillionaires over the past few years. this is part of the problem where we need to make sure that we are electing younger people. we are electing people who don't necessarily have college degrees or who aren't from families of great wealth and have generational last names. we need more diversity in congress. that has to change. because that's the only way we are going to get real substantive representation. deskr it's important that latinx

children and black children, aapi children and trans and lgbtq plus see themselves in government. we have to make sur the they ar there to work for those populations. when navarro says a mixture of word soup, it's parroting some of the president's paranoia, but he is actually out of touch with the real crisis that so many americans are facing, making tough choices between rent and food. >> quickly before we have to go to break, i wanted to ask about the latino vote in places where the election is going to turn. the electoral college will turn on some of the battleground states where the latino vote is crucial. in terms of the impact of covid-19, i think there's another layer that we haven't really focused on, which is that women of color are the majority

of front line workers. they are putting themselves in harm's way to keep everything going. but they don't have the same protections as other groups of folks. they are vulnerable. can you speak to how going forward we can provide these benefits and push the congress to adequately support this specific community? from t >> they can see through this. they know they have been betrayed by the government. whether they vo when they vote, they will vote to survive. it's very clear, almost 18% of latinos are unemployed. many undocumented immigrants have not received a stimulus check. small businessowners are now hurting. they can barely keep their business open. this is a time where latinos are thinking of surviving and what they are getting from the

government is an attempt to diminish that, to try to limit that. that's what's going to take them -- that's what will make the latino community vote in november. what we saw from this clip, it's betrayal. that's what they hear. >> absolutely. my guests will be back later. we have more to talk about. coming up, the woman 66 million people voted for. hillary clinton is coming up next. (upbeat music)

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imagine that you had one of the democratic nominees for 2020 on your show. and that person said, you know, the only other adversary of ours who is anywhere near as good as the russians is china. so why should russia have all the fun? since russia is clearly backing republicans, why don't we ask china to back us?

hey, let's have a great power contest and let's get the chinese in on the side of somebody else. just saying that shows how absurd the situation we find ourselves in. >> once again, hillary clinton tried to warn us. once again, it looks like foreign countries are seeking to interfere in our elections. a statement friday from a top u.s. intelligence official revealed russia is actively trying to help elect donald trump. just like they did in 2016. the official found both china and iran want to see donald trump's defeat. they are looking for ways to make that happen. joining me now is 2016 democratic presidential nominee and former secretary of state hillary clinton. i should note, i worked for hillary clinton in 2016 on her presidential campaign. good morning, secretary. >> good morning. i'm very pleased to be here with you. i'm so proud of you.

i love what you are doing, bringing the news in real time and real reality to your viewers. >> thank you so much. you always told me to speak my truth. so i'm trying to do that every day. i want to start with russian interference. because we know so much more than we did when we were experiencing that interference in 2016. it started at the democratic convention. we are coming up on another democratic convention. we know so much. what is your advice to not only the joe biden campaign as we head into basically a virtual convention where the interference is clearly present and also headed into november post convention, because there are so many things online that nefarious actors have tried to do, and you are the best person to ask because it happened to your campaign, our campaign.

>> you are right. it did. we know it had an impact. it was meant to influence voters and how they felt about the election. in particular, about my campaign. we didn't know back then what we know now. when even the trump administration intelligence officials have to admit that there is so much activity coming from russia that is designed to help trump, then you know there's so much more than they are telling us. in fact, several senators who have been briefed on the classified side have said, it's so much worse than what is even being publically portrayed. so i think there's a couple of things. number one, i hope the press doesn't fall for it. i hope the press is vigilant and incredibly skeptical about what's happening online. i hope the press covers the vulnerabilities of our election systems to interference, something that we now know more

about than we did right after 2016. i hope that even republicans will find their patriotism, their conscience, try to force some of the classified information into the public arena so that people have a better idea about what's going on. and, of course, the biden campaign and all of the allies it has have to be as vigorous as possible in futirefuting the li that we can expect the russians to be part of ramping up. >> absolutely. i want to turn now to covid-19. it seep seems to me the dread y felt when donald trump was elected, it's coming home to roost. we are in quarantine. we are thinking about when we can go back to normal.

we are realizing, we may not be able to do that exactly how we were before. also, that it's going to take a long time for the vaccine to happen and for us to get back to the before times as my co-host always likes to say. i want to ask you what your reaction was to theought autocrat announcing he signed three memorandum. what kind of presidenting is that? >> it's a stunt. there's no doubt about it. most likely, as even republican senators have said, unconstitutional, bypassing congress, trying to spend money he has no authority to direct. but it's also meant to be a big diversion from the hard work the congress should be engaged in to provide the kind of relief that tens of millions of americans

need. we are still in the midst of this pandemic. sadly, we didn't take the steps for long enough to try to bend the curve, except in a few places around the country. so we're still coping with it. and we can't act like it is back to normal. people are still unemployed in great numbers. small businesses have been shuttered, are gasping for help. so the congress needs to act. but i think there was something else very significant in what trump did the other day. basically, he signalled that he is going after social security and medicare. i don't know if he understood that. you never know what he knows and doesn't know about how the government operates. but basically, he was talking about ending the financial contributions we all make into social security and medicare through the payroll tax. so, yes, it was a stunt. most likely unconstitutional.

he doesn't really have the authority to do what he tried. but he sent a signal to voters that, you know, if you were unfortunately unlucky enough to have him be president again, you can watch what he is going to do to social security and medicare. it's going to hurt not just elderly americans but every american. >> certainly the generations that are coming up and will need it in a few years. i want to talk about joe biden and his choice to pick a vice president. he said he wants to pick a woman. he is considering a short list of women like kamala harris and susan rice, so many others. you are the last person who had to pick a vice president. i think people have their opinions. a lot of opinions about that. i think that you are the best person to ask, what went into your selection of tim kaine? i'm not going to ask you, would you do it differently.

but in terms of what joe biden is considering, is there any advice you would like to give him in terms of how you made the choice to pick the best person to be your running mate? >> it's a great question. i went at it from three different perspectives. number one, is this a person who could be president literally tomorrow? secondly, is this a person that i could work with, that i would want to work with day in and day out, in good times and hard times, inside the white house to serve our country? and third, can this person help me win? and with tim kaine, i answered all three of those questions affirmatively. he was more than ready as a former governor and senator to be president. i thought he was one of the most collegial members of the senate, someone that would be a real delight to work with. and also, he had been part of

turning virginia bluer and bluer. so he had a lot of experience in the political arena. now, i think for former vice president biden, he has to answer the same three questions. of course, it's a different time. there are different considerations at work. i think he has very good choices. i'm excited about whoever it is that he picks based on the people that have been made public in terms of his interest in them and their being vetted and meeting with him, because he has to have somebody that would be ready to be our president, somebody that he wants to work with and somebody who can help him win. i think there are a number of people on that list who could do all three. >> do you think it should be one of the senators he is considering? they are at the top of the list. >> well, i think that people are bringing different skills.

i don't want to go and talk about each individually. that's really up to the vice president to do. they all bring different skills. they bring different backgrounds. they bring different political and other experience to the forefront. when i look at the faces on the list that you have there, i think he has some very good choices. i also think he needs to take whatever time he needs to make the choice. most people don't announce their vice presidential choice until close to their convention. i think that he has -- he has been very deliberate about this. so i think we should all just wait and -- look, this is such a critical election. i think he has great choices. i'm excited about them. but i think people have to understand that we are up against a wanna-be authoritarian

who has already hurt our country, our institutions, our rule of law, has scapegoated so many different groups of people. we just have to defeat donald trump. we all have to do everything possible to make that happen. >> in the last minute here, i am dieing to ask you about your maureen dowd tweet. despite editors existing, they forgot you ran for president with a man on your ticket in 2016. also sara palin and john mccain. i love you have no filter any longer. just what is your reaction to the fact that the mainstream media sometimes seems to erase you or your accomplishments? >> well, look, i think it's part of the larger challenge. this is something that i think

about for whichever woman joe puts on the ticket with him. there still is just so many filters that stand between women seeking public office, particularly at the highest level, and the press and the public. we just have to keep ripping them away and making it absolutely clear that women are ready to serve. we have served. we are prepared to serve. i think that any of us in the press or who have any kind of platform should be ready to really speak out and defend the woman that vice president picks, because i can tell you the trump campaign has not been successful in the many absurd attacks that they have made on joe biden. they have tried just about everything they could think of, not that they are going to stop. that's the only way they think they can win. but they're going to go after whoever he puts on the ticket,

whichever woman, no matter how accomplished. i think all of us should learn from the past that there are these biases and attitudes about women seeking power. my gosh, there's never been an ambitious man apparently, at least i don't hear that word applied to a man. so we have to defend the right of women to seek and hold power. i think we're going to have a lot of practice on that as soon as joe names his choice. >> i think that's a good point. i am ready to get information. i don't know about you. to stand up for whoever joe biden picks as his vice president. thank you so much, secretary hillary clinton, for joining us this morning. >> thank you. thanks so much for having me. >> thank you. more after this break. dio c]

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first. who won the week? >> so, for me, it was mayor tubbs from stockton, california. he reminds me of a young west coast stacy abrams, creative in his leadership. also, i'm going to say polly, she successfully launched blackwomenphotographers this week and so it's a great source for people to find more rep senn tag when looking for photographers. so those are the two who won the week for me. >> i love that. who won the week in your opinion? >> i think in the middle l of the craziness, i think immigrants had a big win this week. you may know who joe ar poe is. known as america's toughest sheriff. he lost his republican primary. it's a big deal.

not just a loss, but sends a huge statement to donald trump. arizona is a state that trump won by less than 4% in 2016 as you remember very well, and he pretty much won this state's agenda. he was someone that was the chief racial profiling. the architect of that notion. he was an immigration crackdown expert and made some of the most inhumane cbs in the famous tent cities. so the fact he lost and he lost because young immigrants showed up. children of people that were racially profile d for years. that's a huge deal and a big indication of what we can expect in arizona. >> i love that. young latinos. yes. and those tents and tent city had to go. so it's glad that there is some accountability finally. alicia, to you, who won the week? >> did you see the video of tim and fred williams, the

21-year-old twins who have a youtube channel? they're big youtube stars and listen to different songs. this week, they listened to phil collins ear worm in the air tonight which came out in 1981 before you or i were born and they absolutely loved it. it provided a moment of levity in these dark and uncertain t e times. it reminded me if we can get young people fired up about in the air tonight, then we can get them fire d up about participating in this november's election. it was just a poll that came out that showed a vast majority of young people are really excited to vote in this election, but there is a catch, which is that about half of them don't feel they have the knowledge or the means to vote by mail. which is sort of underscores how important it is that there's both a robust process for voting, meaning that people can vote by mail, show up in person and that everyone who wants to participate, can.

if you have not seen the video, google it. it was awesome. >> i loved that video so much. i mean because you know when you're watching it, you know the drum solo is coming, but they don't know the drum solo's coming. so when it hits and they're like, oh, it's so much joy. gave me so much joy. i love that so much. my pick for who won the week is the wnba because the wnba are out front even ahead of their nba counterparts in terms of saying black lives matter. standing up for black women who have been victims of police violence and brutality and yesterday, they wore a new phenomenally, phenomenal woman campaign t-shirt for breonna taylor. it says arrest the cops who killed breonna taylor and the back says say her name. it's such an incredibly important moment to highlight

the wnba for being way out front on all of the protesting and activism that we see athletes doing in this moment. so my pick for who won the week is the wnba and women, i think, we're fed up. so we're just trying to stand up u and speak our truth. alicia, i wanted to get your quick reaction to hillary clinton's interview. i thought it was really interesting at the end there where she talked about how women can stand up with each other to defend what are going to be sexist attacks against whoever joe biden picks to be his running mate. >> right. that we continue to push back on these notions of who's likable, who is not, who is a leader and who is not and that we don't underestimate it as just being language. i loved the fact that foul referred to the study from girls leadership. young black girl, young latin girls, they are watching. they are ambitious. they think of themselves as

leaders and what they are waiting for are schools and institutions to meet them where they are and provide the opportunity. so when you use these words, right, don't think of it as just a word that matters to the woman who is already powerful. think of it and use it as though those girls are watching and listening. >> absolutely. thank you all for joining me this morning and make sure to watch alicia tonight at 6:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. that's our show for today. thank you so much for watching. coming up, weekends with alex whit. guests are maxine waters. keep it here on msnbc. e waters keep it here on msnbc. severe rheumatoid arthritis. and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill... ...can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some... rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue.

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welcome to weekends with alex whit. alex is off today. a lot to cover today. the president's executive order, whether it's legal and what's congress going to do about it. congresswoman maxine waters is joining me on that. also, new reporting from inside the oval office about the one thing that no longer happens at the white house in this midst of this pandemic and fresh reaction as trump's new postmaster orders a massive shake up. democrats investigate mail delays. zeroing in. with eight days to go until the

democratic convention, when will joe biden announce his vp pick? we're going to talk about that. we begin though with new fallout today after the president signed a series of executive orders on coronavirus relief, sidestepping congress. this morning, some top democrats slamming the president's actions. >> what the president did, i agree what the republican senator said, it was unconstitutional slump. while it says we're going to have a moritorium on evictions, going to ask the folks in charge to study if that's feasible. while he said he's going to do the payroll tax, what he's doing is undermining social security and medicare. so these are illusions. >> the two p