joe biden announce his vp pick? we're going to talk about that. we begin though with new fallout today after the president signed a series of executive orders on coronavirus relief, sidestepping congress. this morning, some top democrats slamming the president's actions. >> what the president did, i agree what the republican senator said, it was unconstitutional slump. while it says we're going to have a moritorium on evictions, going to ask the folks in charge to study if that's feasible. while he said he's going to do the payroll tax, what he's doing is undermining social security and medicare. so these are illusions. >> the two parties are still

miles apart on a deal. >> we are ready to meet the white house and republicans halfway. we've said that from the start. we have priorities that may be different from theirs, but in terms of dollar amount, where we're mr. navarro suggested. >> and then you have white house officials on the defense. >> i think that providing significant economic assistance, even though the numbers are coming in very strong, a good jobs number on friday, declining unemployment, we created over 9 million jobs in three months. that's a record. but there's still a lot of hardship out there. there's a lot of heartbreak and the point that president trump made yesterday is that on several occasions, we tried to get, for example, a compromise deal on the unemployment assistance, which ran out. the federal unemployment assistance. that's a key point.

>> new polling shows biden leading trump in pennsylvania and wisconsin. the trump campaign i'm sure obviously nervous about this. also new today, the white house pushing back against legal challenges likely to face the president's executive action. josh letterman is in washington joining us on that. josh, good morning to you. or good afternoon to you, actually. i'm used to reporting in the mornings. talk to us about what the white house is saying this morning. >> even before the president announced those executive orders last night, he had said he knew he was likely to face legal challenges if he went ahead with this step. the president saying he's expgting that and he's willing to push back. take a a listen to what one of his top advisers said about the legality of moving forward with executive action. >> one of the things i've leerned here is what we have is

statutory authorities to do it and i'm confident that every single one of those orders that cleared through the office will stand up. >> even if they don't ultimately stand up in court, that's not entirely the point. white house officials say yes, the president wants to take action that will help americans immediately, but a lot of this is also about the president being visible. out front and center taking action. if he tries to take these steps to bring ree leaf to people and it's challenged in court, in the view of a lot of white house officials, that only bolsters their case that the president is doing everything he can to try to get relief to americans despite what they see as a leadership void from members of congress, but in the meantime, both sides are still leaving open the possible ility for mor negotiations, saying the president's executive order is not the end of the road for those talks in capitol hill. they're going to still continue to work to see if they can get some type of a compromise

because as we know, congress holds the power of the purse and while the president may be able to take some steps that make incremental relief for americans to get real substantial steps that both sides have been calling for really is going to need a deal in congress. >> all right. josh, thanks so much. appreciate it. want to bring in peter baker from "the new york times" and nbc news political analyst. good morning to you. afternoon to you. also, yjasmine. peter, want to start with you. we heard josh say the white house confident t going to face legal challenges. the president usually says this when he makes an executive order. pretty confident it's going to withstand any challenges. so what happens now? walk us through this, especially when you have americans that are desperate to see some of this money even though it's only a $400 versus $600 extension on

the unemployment insurance. >> great question. the question on some of these things, you could understand who and why they would want to challenge it. on the other hand, do you want to go to court to prevent americans from getting this $400 if they need it. even if it's not as much as a democrat might be. that puts the democrats in an interesting situation as well. they don't want to be responsible for holding up something even though they think uninstituticonstitutional or a of the separation of powers. mind you, this money is taken from the department of homeland security emergency fund. he's trying to say this constitutes an emergency, therefore, he can redirect it. that's stretching what the president is able to do. you can see why this would be a court fight. how far does the president's ability to shift funds exist when the power of the purse exists. we've been through this before on the border wall.

he shifted some funds without permission of congress and the courts let him get away with that. he has some reason for optimism here. but a court fight would only delay something really important for a lot of americans. they're not interested in the who, what whys and legalities of it. they're interested if they can get money to pay their rent, food and medical issues. it's really left a lot of people stuck in the middle of a political food fight here of the president and the congress. >> and it stinks because this is about americans trying to keep their lights on and food on the table and they're caught in the middle try iing to see who's at fault here. it seems the republicans and the president was being blamed for not reach iing a deal on relief efforts, but if democrats were to challenge the president's order, then the tables would be turned and the democrats would be blamed for americans not getting at least that $400 extra relief especially in that unemployment insurance.

talk to me about the timing here of all this, peter. >> yeah, i think the president and his people look at this as good politics. they look like they're taking action even as a dysfunctional congress can't get its act together. whether it's a fair characterization or not. certainly the bottom line they're pushing out there. i think as a matter of timing, the congress has now left town. so to have an obvious deal to be made to replace these executive orders and do something that would actually be legally sustainab sustainable constitutional under any circumstance. that's why people are stuck in the middle here. what we normally see in washington is a lot of brink man ship up to the edge then finally a deal is made is so you don't have this kind of thing happen to every day americans. this time, we didn't do that. it's a real failure of the system, obviously, to make a decision that would stick to both parties. the president is trying to position his party of being above that. that's not good for his fellow

republicans who he's throwing under the bus saying they didn't get their act together because they were part of this as well. >> i want you both to weigh in on this one. so in the briefing yesterday, the president got into this heated q&a basically with reporters, prompting him to abruptly leave the room. let's show what happened then talk ab it on the other side. >> go around congress and decide how -- >> hear the word obstruction? congress has obstructed. the democrats have obstructed people from getting desperately needed money. go ahead. >> you have veterans choice -- [ cheers and applause ] >> it was passed in 2014. >> excuse me. go ahead. >> it was a false statement, sir. >> thank you very much, everybody. thank you very much. [ cheers and applause ] >> all right. give me your reaction, both of you, to this.

and by the way, beautiful name. give me, what do you think the purpose of this whole thing is, jasmine? if you're not going to be held accountable and answer questions that reporters are posing to you and you want to use this as a campaign event because we're in the midst of a pandemic and it's not going to be good to gather thousands of people into a room as you did in tulsa, what is the purpose of having these things? >> i think it's to be able to get his message out. all of our report iing shows th president is extraordinarily frustrated by the pandemic. by not being able to control the narrative. it's spinning out of control. disrupting his ability to go on the campaign trail. a lot of the white house is focused on how to message the pandemic and the fact that the president has it under control and it's very clear it's not. so i think there's immense frustration and the press

conferences that are supposed to be coronavirus updates or updates on how the white house is handle iing the various issu the country is going through u often turn into these campaign events rather than an update on how they're responding to the pandemic or what they're going to get the country back on track. there was an effort to get the president to shift his message a couple of weeks ago and that didn't really stick. so i think it's just immense frustration at not being able to control the narrative around this. >> peter? >> this is a president who doesn't like to be fact checked in real time. every public appearance he makes, at least most of them, he's saying something that's stretch iing or completely abusg the stroout and here you have one of our colleagues trying to call him on it. trying to say how u can you say this when you know it's not truth? we've seen him repeatedly in the last few weeks, struggling and bristoling at that kind of effort. whether it be the jonathan swan interview, chris wallace interview on fox, this press

conference yesterday. when reporters try to say you know the things you're telling the country are not in fact accurate, he gets worked up and doesn't like being challenged and walks out of the room. >> so let's talk about the politics of this. i know you did a deep dive into the white house's politics first science second attitude towards this pandemic and in it, you highlight how the white house staff mark meadows and his role in this. you write he no longer holds a daily 8:00 a.m. meeting with health professionals and instead, aides say he huddles in the mornings with a half dozen politically oriented aides and when the virus comes up, their focus is more on how to convince the public that the president has the crisis under control rather than on methodically planning ways to contain it. which is startling to me, even as we have experienced so much

of this throughout the last five months and we're now over 165,000 deaths in this country, thinking at the fact they are not thinking about how to contain this pandemic. we are facing another wave in another month coinciding with the flu virus as well. so is this more about politics than finding solutions to address this pandemic? >> i think it is. all our reporting showed the major focus in the white house is the messaging. you know, we also reported that there was what was characterized as a stand down order on engaging publicly about the virus in june. which obviously had a change in july. a lot of the country was experiencing a surge in cases. but the primary focus is you know, how does message this. how to convince the american public that the president and white house has this under control, but to date, you know almost seven months into this, we have yet to see a national plan from the white house about

how to contain a pandemic. a national testing plan. this is still largely a patchwork response where states are figuring out how to respond and the white house is sending out the coronavirus response coordinator, deborah birx. they said they're going to send the doctors to states where they expect to see a rise in cases but that doesn't mean we see a cohesive plan about how to contain the virus. and there's a lot of frustration about the bumbled health message, getting people to social distance, getting them to wear a mask, to change social behavior for long enough periods of time to get the virus under control. >> thank you two both. really appreciate i. enjoy the rest of your sunday. want to bring in now, congresswoman maxine waters. thanks so much for swroining us this morning. really appreciate it. good to talk to you today. let's get your reaction to the

president's executive action. do i have you? it looks as if the congresswoman has frozen on us so we want to spend a little time trying to get her back up and running. as we do, we're going to go to break. and then we'll bring her back hopefully after the break. so coming up, everybody, getting the coronavirus under control by october. a new theory about how it could happen. coming up next. could happen comi ungp next [sizzling] i may not be able to tell time, but i know what time it is. [whispering] it's grilled cheese o'clock.

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welcome back, everybody. looks like we got her back. joining me now, congresswoman maxine waters. good afternoon to you. great to see you today and thanks for join iing us and sticking with us. >> thank you. >> let me first get your reaction to the president's executive orders.

>> the president's executive orders are questionable. first of all, it's questionable whether or not he could do what he's attempting to go constitutionally. but in addition to that, they're extraordinarily misleading. i am so focused on rental assistance. in the hero's act -- [ inaudible [ inaudible ] the ability to evict them. so the eviction moritorium is over and this president is playing politics with this issue. as a matter of fact, that particular order that he references in his so-called executive orders does not --

[ inaudible ] >> we are having some audio -- congresswoman, we're having some audio issues with the congresswoman. sadly, because i really do want to talk to you this afternoon, but it is hard to hear you. so that's a tough con vversatio to have. we want to try and get that fixed because we want to talk to the congresswoman about the president's executive orders so we're going to work on that, everybody. stick with me on this. but i want to turn to breaking news. d.c. police are investigating a deadly shooting that left at least 20 people injured. police telling us three shooters, possibly more, opening fire at a party around midnight. hundreds of people were there. relatives telling nbc station wry, the person killed was a young father. one of the injured is an off duty police officer. she is critically wounded. no motive or arrests on that. also, back to the pandemic and

day three of the sturgis motorcycle rally is underway in south dakota. thousands of bikers rolling in for one of the largest gath gatherings since the start of this pandemic and while masks are recommended, there's no requirement on that. kathy parks is in sturgis, south dakota for us. good afternoon to you. great to talk to you today on this. talk us through what you're seeing today. how things are on the ground. >> hey, good afternoon to you as well. so we are on to day three of this ten-day rally and if the last two days are any indication, this crowd will get very large, but keep in mind, we are on mountain time. we are here in south dakota so it's a little after 10:00 in the morning. you see these riders here trickling in on main street, but it stretches for several blocks so just give it a couple of hours and this street will be packed with riders as well as

motorcycles, but here in the time of covid, this city has placed hand sanitizing stations up and down main street here. they've also removed high touch surfaces and they're disinfecting the streets and sidewalks but obviously, another big headline is the lack of social distancing as well as mask wearing, but it is encouraged, not mandatory, and they are staying within state gasoli guidelines because here in south dakota, they never issued a mask mandate or stay at home order and the rate has stayed relatively low in comparison to other states throughout the country. now, we had a chance to talk to a will the of the attendees here and their reactions were missed about the possibility of getting sick but we spoke with a a business owner who shared a little bit about her concerns. take a listen. >> do you have any concerns

about you know, your health? >> i do. i've been hearing all kinds of stories from across the country this week. good and bad, and people that said i had it. i recovered. and other people that are, they are concerned and you'll see, i'm going to say a good 15, 20% of people are constantly wearing a mask. >> and this annual event is labeled the world's largest motorcycle rally in the world and for good reason. because on average, they see anywhere between 450 to 500,000 attendees and i spoke with a city official the other day and she said based on the turnout so far, it's comparable to what she saw last year. >> wow. thanks for that and thank you for your coverage of this. want to turn now to dr. natalie azar. thanks for joining us.

i first want to get you to comment on what we just spoke about with kathy. in south dakota. you're expecting thousands of folks turning out. mask highly recommend ed but no necessarily required. social distancing hard to do when you have that many thousands of people gathering in one place. i can't want help but think back to the photo of the ozarks when reopening started to happen after the spring and you just saw tons of folks inside of a pool talking to one another, not social distancing then you see these images as well and there is this overwhelming concern this could strike up another cluster. the dakotas saw a cluster at a food processing plant in the spring. is this something you're worried about seeing these images? >> i would say the worry

moderate simply because this is predominantly outside and we know that large gatherings outside where the air can die lute the virus makes a significant difference and the hinges i've been reading about this particular event, it's really going to be the indoor places that will be the culprit if there is a significant outbreak. that's indoor dining. other you know bars, restaurants. stores. things like that. if you're not wearing a mask inside, that's going to play into whether or not we see a big uptick. this is i believe the biggest gathering thus far since the pandemic began. we know from protests for example, there wasn't a significant uptick in cases because of the fact people are moving and are outside. so, again, air dilutes the virus. it will be a wait and see. i would probably advise most folks when they return back to their communities, to self-ice late for 14 days. quarantine, i should say. >> let's take an overhead look

now. the u.s. now surpassing just this weekend 5 million coronavirus cases. few signs of slowing down as we are seeing these cases tick up throughout the country. you have a doctor at johns hopkins telling nbc that the pandemic does not appear to have peaked here, which is troubling, a, because of the fact that we are in the middle of the summer and there was always this concern or talk possible y that the heat would help disapate this virus. it has not done so. and now, we are just a month away from flu season, which is yet another concern. so what do you make of that statement, that we have not hit the peak and do you agree with it? >> well, i don't think we've hit the peak in all of the country. what we've seen is a rolling wave of viral activity and virus transmission. you know, i think we hit our peak in the northeast and one thing to remember, too, is that what we accomplished here was a

flattening of the curve. we didn't eradicate infection. dr. fauci has stated that over and over again to be very clear. the virus is always there. it's just being kept at bay when appropriate mitigation measures are instituted and enforced. social distancing, mask wearing, hand hygiene. so yeah, i think most of us are very concerned about the next couple of weeks and months for places that haven't seen their first peak and for places that did okay in the beginning but ner eradicated the virus. if there's a relaxation of those mitigation measures and we don't do it carefully, the reopening in any of the places that saw their cases come down, we're going to be in big trouble. >> here's something that's encouraging. i often say encouraging and coronavirus in the same sentence, but you have "the new york times" editorial board essentially saying the united states can get the coronavirus under control by october. which is not long off.

it writes that six to eight weeks is all the time some health experts are say iing the country actually needs. they point out places like germany, thailand and france as examples. do you think this country can actually significantly slow the spread and get it under control that quickly considering what we've experienced over the last six months? >> i do. you know, this was a really interesting editorial. i think that they put it nicely into context. meaning that how do we get into this situation in the first place. well, they site a number of reasons. one is that we had a weak public health infrastructure to begin with. we had systemic inequality in health care and one thing that's kind of important and i don't think they pointed it out in this, but i've read it in other places, is that this country has had a tendency to prioritize civil liberty as opposed to

civic duty. what they point out is that we know a number of things about the virus we didn't know six months ago. we know ar sol transmission might be more important than transmission from contact services. we know that breathing or singing or shouting can transmit the virus as easily as coughing and sneezing. so one of the most important things in this article is they say the messaging has to be consistent. we've had a problem here. we've had this partisanship that's played a big role in public health where it really, really shouldn't. we need to have an administration and messaging that is sticking with the science and is clear in communicating about things like masks and social distancing, so yes, i do think it's possible. the doctor wrote a very similar opinion piece the other day about this, but it really will involve potentially a really strict, 90% lockdown potentially to get us there. >> and it's interesting that you

bring up that point. that we need to have this consistent messaging because i can only help but think about what jasmine was speaking about in the deep dive she did in seeing that it seems the trump administration is leading more about politics versus trying to mitigate the spread of this thing. i mean, if we all have a consistent messaging, we could mitigate the spread, which could be the best case scenario for everybody across this country. thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it. good to see you. the latest betting line in the veepstakes has kamala harris still the favorite, but what are the chances she's going to get the nod? reporting on the contend eers a the timing of this big announcement coming up next. the timing of this big announcement coming up next. balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo-hoo! great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health.

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at least eight women are on the short list and the biden camp says the find decision will be announced by the middle of this week or sooner. ali is following this story for us. good afternoon. so good to see you on this sunday afternoon. do we know if he has made this choice yet? >> so good to see you. so good to hear that election music again. we don't know if the final pick has been made yet, but sources are telling nbc news that he's coming close to making a decision and right now, he's spend iing the weekend in delawe consulting with family. you'll remember that before former vice president launched his own presidential bid over a year ago, he made note of how much he consulted with his family as he mulls this final choice. and this has been an extraordinarily long veepstakes, especially given how early biden locked up the nomination, but

there's an end in sight. eight days from now, the democratic national convention is set to start. biden's going to have to make a pick before then. that being said, sours are telling us it could come midweek, potentially earlier, even as the clock ticks down. >> so, let's talk about some of these possibilities. because for the last two weeks or so, it seemed as if the biden camp had narrowed it down to two individuals. rice and harris. then there were some stories about whitmer of michigan and how she could be a top conte contender. she traveled to delaware to meet with biden last weekend. so talk us through this. what do you think her emerging kind of as this dark horse could possibly mean, that she could now be one of the top three contenders? >> it just goes to show you there are still a lot of names in the mix and that even though yes, we were hearing harris,

rice, yes, whitmer traveled to meet with the former vice president last weekend for several hours, we're told, but that being said, we're also told by people to think about senator elizabeth warren, senator tammy duckworth, all people whose sources say are still in this conversation and there is, you have to remember, a cloak and dagger piece of this. the biden campaign wants to keep this process as under wraps as they can so when they have a choice, it comes out the way they want it to. that's vexing for people like us who are trying to get as much information as possible out of this process, but biden himself seems like he's having a really good time with the secrecy of this process and how swres interested people are in his pick. you've seen him over the weekend when reporters ask him in delaware, he answers with a joke, continuing to stoke that tech speclation about who he might pick. >> who will it be?

we're going to find out hopefully in the next couple of days. so good to see you. glad to see you're doing well. so hillary clinton is weighing in on the veepstakes. well, she kind of is. she appeared on a.m. joy in the last hour. let's take a listen to what she said. >> i'm excited about whoever it is that he picks based on the people that have been made public in terms of his interest in them and they're being vetted and even meeting with him. because he has to have somebody that would be ready to be our president. somebody that he wants to work with and somebody who can help him win and i think there are a number of people on the list that could do all three. >> so, dancing, not necessarily being direct on her answer there, but i don't think of us expected her to tell us who exactly biden was picking or that she knows the answer. joining me now, aid ran and

micha michael. michael, want to start with you. so, again, hillary clinton, former secretary of state, not necessarily being direct about who she wants to be the vp pick. you actually compared and rated a couple of these contenders and there are a lot of them. so what are you hearing? >> well, from the reports that we're hearing, it's he's basically not narrowed it down to susan rice and kamala harris. and if that is true, supposedly from the insiders in the biden camp, it is nearly unanimously that those are the two finalists and if that is true, then i don't see how he chooses anyone else but kamala harris because you have susan rice who's never really been tested in front of an electorate and i don't know how you can say someone is ready to step in as president if they've never had any legisla

legislative or executive experience. >> brought up the idea of michigan governor, but i wanted to speak to maxine waters about this, but we had technical difficulties with her, but she had mentioned at an essence event that she feels as if vice president biden needs to walk w away with a black female running mate. do you think he's feeling that pressure, that he needs to choose a black female running mate? >> well, i think that what's important is actually the, what michael just said, that they're hearing from their own reporting and we've certainly heard this you know through other outlets as well, which is that the two people in consideration are black women. it doesn't seem to me, it seems to be kind of a a forgone conclusion that that is going to be the case any way. i think that again, we've had you know, there's, there are any

number of reasons why black women should be considered and highly considered in this process. not the least of which is because we see a whole slate of incredibly qualified women who have been leading in this country in various roles just an incredibly deep bench of black women who could not only be vice president, but who are, you know, qualified to be president. and so, he has an incredible you know slate of women to choose from and it just seems to me at this point, it's a little bit of a forgone conclusion. >> so, you're involved adrian in grass roots mobile lizing of bl voters and we know this election is going to come down to turnout especially of the black community. so talk to me about who you expect his choice, who you expect will be the best person to push the issues forward, that matter to black voters the most.

>> so, there have been over the last few years of our polling, there have been three consistent issues that black voters have identified as being not just important to them or the top issues they care about or are concerned about, but frankly, the issues that are motivated their participation and should come as no surprise in this moment, the top issue have been racism and discrimination, the economy and the fact that black voters over the last four years, have not felt the economy has worked for them at all, and it's been health care. access and the cost of health care. in this moment, we're seeing these three issues being motivators for the rest of the country. driving people's top concerns. i think that black voters are looking for you know, not just a vice presidential choice, but also at the top of the ticket, vice president biden himself, to

be speaki ing directly to those concerns in ways that aren't just you know kind of empathy and sympathy around those concerns and how those issues are affecting black communities and affecting black people's daily lives, but really putting forward meaningful policies about how to address and get at structural racism and particularly connecting the dots on how we have this overarching system that black folks have been you know, living under for countless generations now that impedes people's ability to be successful and to lead healthy and happy lives. and so, the vice president and the ticket in general is going to have to speak to that. and i think that any of the folks that we are looking at as the potential running mates are in a position to drive those issues to talk about those issues and to make sure that on the other side of the election there's actual governing on those issues to make sure we see

real results and change around those issues. >> michael, adrian makes usuch good point that it's not just feelings of empathy and i know what you're feeling and i know the struggle and i understand and we're going to help you deal with it, but it's about solution based. about leading with solutions and talking to the black community about how they can make their lives better. how they can talk about health care and how systemic racism permeates every part of this country and how they can address that and move the needle forward and change things. does the black community feel as if the biden camp is properly addressing that? >> so, that's difficult to say, right? because you know, one, when you talk about biden and his policies, we know they're kind of milk toast. we know biden is a moderate and

is part of the reason where he is today, but you have to compare him with the choice on the other side and when you look at him and compare him to trump, he looks like martin luther king. like, he looks more progressive than anyone else because even as moderate as he is with his history of the '92 crime bill. with his history of gaffes, he is still a better choice than trump for most voters. so i think you just can't look at biden in a vacuum and see if his policies are the best choices because you know, honestly, when it comes to black voters, they like a lot of what they saw from bernie sanders in health care and they liked a lot more what they saw from elizabeth warren or some issues and the economy and she's talking more about systemic racism, but when, now that we have biden, the only choice you have the biden or trump or

kanye, but any way, so between those two, i think you know, you have to go into the voting booth and i don't see how most voters have another choice except biden. so it might be, he might be the lesser of two evils, but the other evil is a a really, really, really evil evil. >> i believe michael just said kanye or yeezy under his breath. >> i said it. i said it. >> thank you. great to see you guys this sunday afternoon. breaking news, everybody. violence and unrest. protestors storming the streets of beirut. we're back with that. beirut. we're back with that

now to breaking news from lebanon. less than a week after tuesday's deadly blast. new video showing the moment of

the explosion inside of the church during the celebration of mass. overnight, demonstrators storming the energy ministry in beir beirut. on the streets, new video of security forces on defense from protestors. clashes ruled the night with security forces eventually deploying rubber bullets and tear gas to disperse the crowds. protestors say negligence and corruption on the part of the lebanese explosion. that is on the donor's conference called by president macron. president trump taking part in that today. the u.s. has earmarked $17 million in aid. >> a little over 15 million is r for humanitarian. the vast majority of this is going to the world food fram for emergency food security.

it will be delivered to about 300,000 people who have been affected by the blast and the remainder will support both health and shelter of the respo. >> let's go to beirut where we find rebecca collard. good morning and great to see you. what do we expect today? we know the lebanese government on thin ice with the people there and now following blast, thousands injured and so many people killed. the country in shock. what are you seeing on the ground? >> reporter: yasmin, already behind me in the square people are gathering for another night of protests here. and farther down, not far from where i am but closer to the parliament, there are thousands of people and we backed up a little bit because we're hearing the sound of tear gas now. police are already using tear gas to try to disperse the protesters after the massive

anti-government demonstrations that we saw yesterday. you know, people are here just so angry. they absolutely blame the government for what happened on tuesday. they say the result of the sort of negligent and corruption and mismanagement that they've suffered for decades and back in the street. why don't we listen to what a couple of protesters had to say. >> it has been too much, you know. it's been for years, this has been going on for years and they're not getting the message. >> we want to change everything. >> we are aiming for a change and we see it coming. we're going to keep on fighting, even if it takes a lot. we're going to keep on fighting. >> the president said it is an accident. it is actually a crime. it is not an accident. and they are not -- there are victims and these people died for nothing. just so that they keep their post and they keep stealing our money. it's our country. we're not going to let go. i'm not going to go.

nobody from my family will go from lebanon. we'll stay in lebanon and kick these [ bleep ] out and we have to do it. >> reporter: so you could hear that anger in the street and that anger from people here in lebanon. and you know, we also have new images that just showed the scale of the description. this massive area of downtown beirut completely destroyed. and i want to give you an idea of what it is like in the city to paint the picture for you. behind me i have protesters, farther down we have a much bigger crowd and just over here, i don't know if you could still see it, but it is getting dark but this building maybe eight stories tall just absolutely most of the walls just completely smashed off. >> wow. >> reporter: so we look at the people in the street and look at people protesting, a lot of them are survivors of the blast. they personally, some of them have lost homes, some of them have lost family members an also many of them have been on the streets trying to help clean up.

so this is a political issue but also a personal matter for a lot of people in this country, yasmin. >> of course, it is so personal. you could think about the scope of what is happening there. you have political unrest and meme that don't trust the government and on top of that you have a pandemic with thousands of people homeless because of the this blast. rebecca collard, thank you for your coverage on this. so a guru of presidential elections who has predicted every winner since 1984 has seen the future and he absolutely knows who will win. and he's going to tell us, next. .

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the poll showing biden leading trump in wisconsin and pennsylvania. joining me now with his theory is alan lichtman, from american university and a presidential historian. alan, thank you so much for joining us. really appreciate it. how did you get to that choice, to that decision that joe biden will be the winner in november? >> i didn't just guess. i used my prediction system, the keys to the white house. and the keys are based on the insight that is governing not campaigning that count. so forget the poll. ignore the pundit. don't look at who is up or down on a day-to-day basis. keep an eye on the big picture of incumbent and strength and performance for the party holding the white house and that is what the key says. things like midterm election results, third party, the long and short-term economy, scandal, social unrest, policy change,

foreign policy and the way it works is if six or more keys go against the party holding the white house, they are a predicted loser. >> so i want to -- folks to understand just how right you are how often because if we look back to 2016 when you had polls and pundits pointing to the fact they thought hillary clinton would win the race, you predicted that donald trump was going to win. just weeks before the election. what did you see that so many other people missed? >> yeah, i didn't look at the polls. i didn't look at conventional campaigning. all of which said hillary clinton should have won easily. rather, i looked at the fact that there was six tees turned against the incumbent democrat. that this was going to be a change election and that any generic republican was going to

win. you could imagine, that prediction did not make me very popular in 90% plus of washington, d.c. see, what trump doesn't understand and by the way i have to say, a note which said professoff, congrats, good call, signed donald j. trump. but what he doesn't understand is once he was an incumbent he would be judged on his record and when confronted with the great crises of the social pandemic he made a huge mistake. instead of dealing with it substantively, he thought like he did in 2016, he could talk his way out of it. and it is a disaster for the country and a disaster for trump as he lost three additional keys in just a few months. the short-term economy, the recession, the long-term economy because of the relentlessly negative growth and of course the social unrest key. and add that to the four keys,

he's already down and now down seven and as a predicted loser and this is the biggest reversal of fortune in the history of the united states and trump has only himself to blame. >> alan lichtman, if you could, i know that you're not in the business of the astrological predictions, maybe send me an email of what you think the next three months of my life are going to look like. things are quite kr things are quite cagey here. if you could hear the people in the background. and i would like to check back in you with in the next month and a half or so as things change. coming up, the battle that lies ahead after the president's executive order. that is at the top of the hour. r we've always put safety first. ♪ ♪ and we always will. ♪ ♪ for people. ♪ ♪

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