unfortunately, the president's executive orders described in one word would be paltry, in three words, unworkable, weak, far too narrow. >> what the president did, i agree with the republican senator, said it was unconstitutional slop. >> the lord and the founding fathers created executive orders because of partisan bickering and divided government.

>> hello, everyone, i'm alicia menendez. today, while millions of americans wait for congress to act, white house officials and congressional democrats are instead sparring over president trump's newly announced executive actions. a move that injects chaos into already complicated negotiations. trump's actions are poised to face a variety of legal challenges, but he does not seem concerned. >> i said -- what i said is people can do whatever they want. i guess maybe they'll bring legal actions, maybe they won't , but they won't win. >> while the president frames this as a matter of partisan winning and losing, america is living through a raging pandemic. and with it a slumping economy. both of which demands real action and real leadership. the latest jobs report revealed the unemployment rate is still well above prepandemic levels. as of last month, according to the department of labor, over 31 million americans were receiving unemployment aid from the

government. millions of americans worrying about how to protect themselves against covid-19 and how to feed their families and stay in their homes. those already distressing concerns are now being compounded with additional worries over elections that are being undermined by a president whom muses out loud about the sank ty sanctity of mail-in voting and cuts to the very postal service necessary to execute that voting. all of this as top u.s. intelligence officials ring the alarm over election interference from russia, china and iran. we're going to dive deeper into that later in the hour. first, this virus has changed everything. you're living through it, you know it. a big looming question remains, how is it already shaping a national election that is just 86 days away? with me now, molly ball, she's a national political correspondent for "time" magazine and author of "pelosi." charlotte altar also a national correspondent for "time" magazine and author of "the on s

ones we've been waiting for." ann geren, msnbc contributor and u.s. correspondent for "washington post." ann, the president has seen the poll numbers. he knows what these maps looks like. how much is november's election playing in the background as he made these decisions to come forward with these executive actions? >> i think it's driving everything. you could hear in the president's voice and see in his demeanor this past week that he really knows that he's in trouble politically. and he's flailing a bit. these executive actions, and i noticed that you used the term, executive actions, rather than executive orders. only one of them -- one of the four -- is actually a real order. and even that doesn't carry the force of a full directive. it just -- it asks some cabinet officials and the cdc director to consider whether they could prevent further evictions. but in any event, the fact that he resorted to having a mock-up of a white house signing

ceremony while there were members of his golf club hanging around in golf shorts at the back of the room cheering him and booing reporters kind of tells you where things are for this white house. they -- they decided to do this in new jersey rather than to be in washington actually continuing negotiations or doing something that might have actually had the force of real action. these do not. >> molly, nancy pelosi has been front and center in these negotiations. you thaeheard that earlier soun from her, "constitutional slop." i want to play you more, take a listen. >> in fact, what the republican did, agree with the republican senator, said it's unconstitutional slop, while it has the illusion of saying we're going to have a moratorium on evictions, it says i'm going to ask the folks in charge to study if that's feasible. when he says's going to do the payroll tax, what he's doing is

undermining social security and medicare. so these are illusions. >> molly, as someone who has studied nancy pelosi intensively, written a whole book about the speaker of the house, where do you think she goes from here given that she has been the one driving negotiations for democrats? >> yeah, well, the speaker has said she plans to stay in washington this coming week even though the congress is not in session and attempt to continue to be at that negotiating table. you know, there's two different issues going on here, right? one is can he actually do that, can he make law with the stroke of a pen? >> right. >> and a lot of experts and democrats, even some republicans, saying that's just not allowed based on our system of separation of powers. then there's, as ann was alluding to, what is actually in these orders or actions. are they less than meets the eye? do they actually do the things that the president and his allies are saying that they do?

and it's not at all clear that the claims that are being made actually add up to the effect of these. so, you know, the speaker's approach to these negotiations from the start has been that she believes she has all of the leverage. she believes the democrats have had the -- since they passed the heroes act several months ago. because the republicans haven't been able to come up a bill at they can even pass through the senate, because the president has not communicatedcontinues t democrats have the leverage. why she continues to take the hard line. the president's attempt to end-run that probably doesn't change that calculation. she still believes that the republicans are going to have to come to the table and give something. >> earlier today former secretary of state, former presidential candidate, hillary clinton, was on "a.m. joy" with my friend and colleague zerlina maxwell and zerlina asked her about these executive actions. take a listen to her response. >> it's a stunt. there's no doubt about it.

it's most likely, as even republican senators have said, unconstitutional, bypassing the congress, trying to spend money that he has no authority to direct. but it's also meant to be a big diversion from the hard work the congress should be engaged in to provide the kind of relief that tens of millions of americans need. >> charlotte, when i heard secretary clinton refer to it as a stunt, it made me think of yesterday when i was sitting here having a conversation with jason johnson, a contributor to our network, and he said the point of all of this, right, is for it to be clipped into a video, this big announcement that the president makes, and then shared on facebook so that those who are living in the president's reality, that will be what they consume and that will be the news that they believe. i wonder as someone who has just written an entire article about digital strategy in the middle of this election if that rings true to you.

>> yeah, i mean, as molly said, i think there's a big question as to how much of this is the appearance of doing something, versus actually doing something. and in president trump's world, the appearance of doing something is really what matters. we know that he ran his 2016 campaign sort of as an outrage machine. as you said, you know, stringing together these video clips that then his campaign would run ads against and collect data from those ads. he's already gearing up to do something really similar in 2020 with on top of that a massive digital organizing operation where he has basically a four-year head start on the democrats so i certainly think this is going to feed into this kind of digital bliss where he just absolutely storms the internet with content around his executive actions, whether or not they actually have much of an impact on the legislative

outcomes. >> molly, this virus has changed everything and you have written one of the deepest dives i have read to date about the ways in which it is shaping the contours of this election. when you look at what is happening between now and november, how has this virus changed the way that we elect a president in this go-around and potentially in elections to come? >> yeah, you really hit on the essential point i think is that, you know, as you said at the top of the show we're living through this. it can be hard to keep track of all of the ways that our lives have changed and that obviously extends to politics. and so i wanted to bring all those developments together in this article. we've all heard about the ways the campaign trail has changed and charlotte has a wonderful piece on that aspect of it as well. how the campaigns have had to get creative, hold fund-raisers on zoom, figure out different wes to reaw ways to reach their supporters. the president trying and failing to have rallies and having to

find new ways to connect with his most ardent supporters and his base. of course, it also changes the ways we vote. we've seen these primaries so far this year a lot of them have melted down. others have not. some states have really done a good job of transitioning, pivoting very quickly, their voting systems and this is a massive and, of course, highly secure bureaucracy when you talk about how people vote that has to be very carefully calibrated and so experts hear that a lot of states are heading for a disaster in november because so many people are going to be voting in a different way for the first time. but then it has also changed the narrative of this campaign. the fact we're sitting here having this conversation about what the president is doing, about what joe biden is doing, the whole sort of tenor, the whole national mood, has really changed because of this pande c pandemic. you talk to pollsters who have being doing focus groups and studying the electorate, people are scared and angry and pessimistic in a way they really were not at the beginning of the year so that has changed the way the president's message is or is

not resonating and has changed the type of campaign that joe biden is running in terms of the way he tries to pitch himself as a leader. so i wanted to step back and look at all those different ways i think as you mention into the future some of the -- some things may be changed forever because of this pandemic. >> and when you listen to what molly's saying and she really did such a good job of capturing -- in fact, the tenor has changed, right, there's something almost intangible, hard to describe about how this virus has changed the contours of this election. is it your impression when you talk to the campaign, when you talk to the white house, that they had time to adjust and that they feel they have adjusted quickly enough or do they still feel like they are playing a game of catch-up? >> well, i think, actually, what they're doing is a version of what they have done all along, really, since about april when the initial shock of the fact

that we were heading into a pandemic had begun to settle in. and the white house pivoted at that point from really trying to do something about it to what they've continued to do since then, which is to look like they're doing something about it. and from trump's perspective, it is most important that he be seen as managing this crisis and leading and winning. those things have not matched up with actually doing the things that the country could do that other countries have done to actually, you know, contend with the fact that we have a -- >> charlotte. >> not only a pandemic but we've done the worst of any country in the entire world in combatting -- we passed 5 million cases today. we have, you know, a tiny percentage of the world's p population and a quarter of the cases. >> charlotte, you write in your piece that when it comes to digital strategy, dems have catching up to do. what does that mean?

>> it means that trump's been at this for four years and the biden campaign has been at this for four months. biden emerged from the primary with the weakest digital operation of anybody else in the field. he's the kind of guy who's much more comfortable shaking hands, kissing babies, looking voters in the eye, and now suddenly he's finding himself having to campaign mostly from his home, having to build an entire digital organizing structure that's new to his campaign and he's significantly behind just in sheer terms of -- in terms of sheer might on the internet. trump has in some -- is in some ways a digital native in a way that biden has never really been. and already the trump campaign has made more thancontacts and campaign is only getting off the ground when it comes to texting

and calls they've made, about 100,000 phone calls, 500,000 text messages. that's a lot of ground to catch up. >> one of the things that struck me most, my final thought then i'll let you guys go. molly, you talk a little bit about this show, i guess, that the trump campaign does, the right view, where you give an example of i think lara trump talking with some others and lauding the value of hydroxychloroquine as an antidote for this virus which has been widely debunked and it just made me realize there is a whole other universe and whole other side conversation that is happening so far outside the conversations that we are having about polling that it made me wonder how much we are not seeing in our peripheral vision. >> yeah, i think that's an interesting question. of course, we talked a lot in the last few years about the ways that people are in sort of information silos, right, and don't necessarily have a shared

truth to fall back on but, i mean, this content was something that the trump campaign was producing before covid came along. it's part of the head start that charlotte talks about. they were doing nightly talk shows with some of the president's favorite surrogates. they were doing, you know, multiple trump children and in-laws doing these facebook broadcasts, these live streams, that get hundreds of thousands of views. there's really no equivalent of that on the democratic side. so they do have this channel to communicate with voters and while they were building it long before covid was a thing, it has become newly central in a world where the president can't go out and sort of monopolize this with the big attention-getting ral rallies. now the internet presence they'd already been cultivating and made into such a large audience is newly important. >> molly, charlotte, and ann, thank you, all. a little later in the hour, a look at the two-front fight against our vote in november.

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show that children as young as 8 months old are being turned away without any indication of where they are going and without due process. advocates say many are now virtually impossible to find. the associated press this week reporting on a 12-year-old boy and a 9-year-old sister who fled violence in honduras and said they were lied to by officials and flown back without explanation. here's the reporter on that story. >> the kids thought they would be reunited with their mother, in fact, when they were let out of the detention facility and taken onto a bus, they were told that they were going to be taken to a shelter and eventually reunited, instead, they were placed, by surprise to them, onto this plane and deported to honduras. and this is a practice that's happening routinely since march and it's something that the trump administration has said is necessary to prevent the spread of covid-19. >> while the trump administration has been using the spread of covid-19 to justify asylum restrictions, i.c.e. officials still have not

released children who were in family detention centers. a federal judge back in june warned attention centers were, quote, on fire. and this week buzzfeed reporting the number of immigrants who've died in i.c.e. custody is the highest it has been since 2006. joining me now, the executive director of immigrant defenders law center. lindsay, when we say that these children, that these babies, are virtually impossible to find, what does that mean? >> well, that means that we're in a situation now where the government has created a parallel shadow system for dealing with children who come to the border seeking asylum. and it's truly frightening because normally when a child comes to the border and seeks asylum, they would be entered into proceedings that would allow them to go before a judge, that would put their welfare first by putting them into facilities that would reunite them with sponsors of the united states or at least follow general child welfare standards

while taking care of them. what we're seeing now is children who come to our border seeking protection and they are just being expelled back. it's not even a legal process. they're being expelled back with no care being taken for what they were fleeing when they came to the united states and no care being taken for what will happen to them when they go back. many of these kids, we couldn't even know -- >> lindsay, underscore that -- no, i want you to finish that thought, but i also want you to underscore for me what you just said which this is not a legal process because i think a lot of folks watching this are watching and wondering how this is happening and how this is allowed to continue if it is, in fact, as you say, not a legal process. >> so the government is using the cdc ban on people coming into the united states because of covid as a way to turn away asylum seekers. so there is no judge who gets to decide whether or not that person has a valid asylum claim. there's cursory screening being

done for children as young as you said, 8 months old, to see whether or not they will be tortured if sent back to their home country. and so it is just simply a ban that's in place and so people are expelled with no due process whatsoever so when we say it's not a legal process, that's because all of the protections that have been put in place for asylum seekers, particularly for children, as one of the most vulnerable populations of asylum seekers, for decades, since the '80s, are being ignored and children are simply being turned back and we wouldn't even know who these children are if it wasn't for organizations like the texas civil rights project and los americas immigrant advocacy center in el paso who are finding these children because family members are calling or because they're staking out hotels to see where they are, but for kids who do not find for more than 3,000 who've already been expelled, they may be returned directly to their traffickers or others. so the most vulnerable children

will be the most at risk under this shadow system that the trump administration has set up. >> we're talking about two different things. we're talking you and i first about asylum seekers who -- many cases are being turned back at the border then we're also talking about what's happening in family detention centers. i think a lot of people look at those stories side by side and notice an asymmetry, notice the trump administration is sending back asylum seekers under the guise of not wanting to spread covid-19. and at the same time we have a federal judge ringing an alarm saying that this virus is spreading inside the facilities like these i.c.e. detention centers and that is why they want these families and children released and yet you have the trump administration dragging their feet on that. how do you square those contrasting rationals? >> well, the trump administration is keeping families in these detention centers when they could be safe

and together with sponsors in the united states. instead, they're being held in congregant care facilities where there's a lack of social distancing, a lack of soap, and where dozens of people are already infected and, in fact, the federal government is moving additional people into those facilities so really they are becoming superspreaders of covid, itself. so for the government to claim that the ban that they have at the border is in order to prevent covid from spreading, it makes no sense. in fact, the children at the border are being held in facilities at hotel ths, out kie community. so covid will continue to spread. >> lindsay, thank you, as always. >> thank you. could this be the year democrats tear up long-standing republican turf? state to watch is georgia where big-money owners are not giving republicans the kind of edge they're used to. what could be changing in the eyes of voters. i'll ask democrat john ossop who's aiming to unseat georgia

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the senate's red wall may be cracking and republicans know it. once reliably red states are now tossups. in georgia the senate race appears to be up for grabs between incumbent republican senator david perdue and his democratic challenger jon ossoff. the latest polling shows the tight race is within the marcgi of error. politico reports the superpac and non-profit aligned with majority leader mitch mcconnell are pouring more than $20 million into the state to defend the republican seat. momentum is growing for democrats in the state, too. during georgia's june primary, turnout for black voters and young voters sharply increasing in early voting immediately after the george floyd protest began. jon ossoff joins me now. we also invited senator perdue on the show and have not heard back.

jon, thanks for your time today. i want to get your take on the president's executive actions and ask you, the senate, body of which you aspire to be a part of, congress more generally, they're negotiating out these relief packages. what do you believe should be the nonnegotiables? >> hey, thank you for having me. first of all we shouldn't have a at this point where unemployment benefits have already expired, schools are already re-opening. we've known for months that t t there was going to need to be an additional relief package, additional stimulus. they waited to the last minute like they always do. the president is not going to be able to dig us out of the economic crisis by executive order. this requires legislative action. he's supposed to pride himself on his dealmaking abilities. right now he looks more like a lame duck president who can't get a package through congress when the american people vitally need it. here in georgia we need additional $1,200 stimulus checks for georgias. we need to extend unemployment benefits. state and local governments urgently need reliefs a tax

revenues have plummeted and vital services are being cut and we need to extend the eviction moratorium which are keeping people in their homes. >> president trump went after you during a virtual campaign rally this week. take a listen. >> david perdue, he's going to be running and his opponent is, uh, not much. super liberal. going to be totally controlled by schumer. david perdue is just a highly respected man. he gets what he wants. >> jon, your response. >> well, look. i'm glad to still be living rent-free in the president's head. rather than lobbing political insults -- by the way, what does it say that he's so preoccupied with a senate race in georgia, a state where he should be expecting to cruise comfortably to re-election, but he's lagging biden in most polls. look, the president of the united states has totally failed the american people. the response to this pandemic has been catastrophic. he can't get a relief package

through congress. he can't even get senate republicans on the same page as the white house. at a moment of national crisis when people are crying out for help. and what he needs to be doing is empowering the medical experts within this administration, bringing the parties together to negotiate a substantial bipartisan relief package. implementing a national testing strategy. and resourcing the medical response appropriately. instead, he and my opponent for month and months and months have denied, denied, lied, misled, the people about the scope of the threat. they've let this spiral completely out of control. they don't deserve to be re-elected. >> i want to talk to you a little bit about what is happening in georgia. specifically as it relates to school re-openings. we saw this photo come out of a packed hallway at a high school with few masks seen. today we learned there are nine reported cases at that school. six students. three staff members. i also think the school's going to be closed for two days.

i mean, when you look at these numbers, when you look at an anecdotal story like that, does it tell you the state needs to reconsider its re-opening methods? >> well, we all want school to re-open. . we want them to re-open safely and compliant with cdc guidelines and this, once again, is such an indictment of the federal response because local school districts don't have the resources or expertise to equip themselves and prepare adequately for this extraordinary public health emergency. and it's been no mystery that schools would need to re-open. in august and september. either in person or with virtual and remote learning. congress has had months and months during which they could have passed substantial measures to equip and fund local school districts so that they can comply with cdc guidelines or engage fruitfully in remote and virtual education, if necessary. instead, the federal government has left states like mine and local governments and local school districts in georgia high

and dry. schools are already re-opening here, and you saw from that photo that they're simply not able to comply with public health guidelines. let me just also, alicia, the students who took that photo and posted it online faced retaliation from local school leaders. they were facing until there was a national hue and crew abouty suspension for blowing whistle during the pandemic. i want to encourage young people across georgia and across the country if your schools aren't protecting you, you don't feel safe and like your health is being respected, blow the whistle. post the evidence. there's a lot of people on your side. we are standing with students, teachers, and families during this time and it's the responsibility of the federal government to equip these students to keep students safe. >> jon, normally when we talk about tossup races, we are not talking about.

i've read a lot of analysis. what do you think are the forces conspireing to make this a tighter race than many people imagined it would be? >> yeah, i mean, for the republican party and its outside groups to have already committed $25 million, $30 million, to try to defend david perdue, who, by the way, was too busy buying stock in manufacturers of medical equipment, buying vaccine shares, while he dumped his casino stocks in january and february, all the while telling us this virus posed low risk to our health, that the impact on economic growth would be little. you know, he's in real trouble. and there's a few things that are happening. first of all, remember that stacey abrams only lost that historic 2018 gubernatorial race by 1%. georgia's been getting more and more competitive for years because the state's becoming younger and more diverse and hungry for a different kind of representation. second of all, people are just aghast at the catastrophic failure of the federal government during this pandemic. it goes far beyond partisanship. voters of all backgrounds can see that the response has been

totally botched and for david perdue not just to have enabled that botched response and to have parroted the president's denials and misinformation at every turn but to have been too busy lining his own pockets adjusting his stock portfolio to prepare our state for this crisis, voters are rejecting him, the gop is in panic mode, why they're dumping in all this money to try to pail him out. >> jon ossoff, thank you. again, we reached out to senator p perdue's office. the senator declined to join us because of his travel schedule. so, it's 2020, but what's an election year in america without political deja vu? like the last time around, there's an onslaught as fiction posing as facts on your feed. are the people we elect to office fighting against it? that's next. is always at the ready. so when they got a little surprise... two!? ...they didn't panic. they got a bigger car for their soon-to-be-bigger family. after shopping around for insurance, they called usaa -

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head of a crucial presidential election. that's right. it's happening again. many of those efforts are specifically targeting black and latino voters. a senate investigation into russian interference in 2016 found that operatives targeted african-americans more than any other group, but activists with win black are fighting back. arming black and latino voters with tools to detect and avoid disinformation online. with me now, andr erk bae banks. founder and ceo of ab partners. also with me, ashley bryant, she's also a co-founder of win black and principal for ab partners. all right. i'm so excited to talk to both of you. andre, what does this disinformation look like and who's putting it out there? >> absolutely. it looks like what a lot of us see. conversations that are happening in our feeds, on facebook, on twitter, and in other places. where's it coming from? a lot of different places. foreign agents as well as from campaigns and just some bad actors operating online.

>> i mean, that is incredibly alarming. we're going to talk in a little bit about those foreign actors. ashley, the why target black and latino voters? >> well, quite simple, i mean, this is an emphasized tactic of voter suppression. we've been seeing this for decades now and the weaponization of digital media is rampant and this is no different. and so, essentially, these are, as andre said, agents and bad actors that are simply just trying to suppress, depress, and confuse black and latinx voters and deter us from educating our communities but also making sure that we don't go out to the polls, if they are successful. >> andre, can you give us a sense of how these bad actors are specifically targeting black and latino voters? like, what does that mean? how do they find them? how do they target them?

is it the messagiing is differet or just that the focus and target is different? >> well, i mean, they do something that seems sophisticated but actually it's quite simple when you think about it. they simply spend time and energy finding communities where black and latino voters are. they target those communities. they impersonate black and latino people and bring us into conversations. that's where it gets interesting, once that conversation starts rather that moving it toward what are the issues that matter to our communities, how do we make change, how are we a part of the political process? instead, they turn those conversations toward cynicism. we shouldn't show up to vote, we shouldn't participate because actually there's nothing at stake for us so what you actually see is a really sort of insidious ways in which we are impersonated then defrauded into, as ashley said, suppressing our fundamental right to vote. >> ashley, for someone who's watching, how can they identify this in their own feed? >> sure. i mean, there's several ways we want to arm folks with really

understanding, you know, who's credible and who's not. bots are rampant. if you're looking at accounts that are, you know, 7,000 comments within a couple of minutes, you're pretty sure that it's not an actual individual. and so we want folks to find your credible sources now. really make sure that you're educating yourself, that it's a real individual, it's a real activist, they're being quoted by credible media sources and also have a real community that is reflective of especially black and brown communities and then also, you know, you can go to our channels @wewinblack on twitter, on facebook, on instagram. we are actually distributing a number of pieces of content. we're working with grassroots organizers across the country to also get out the right messages and educating voters and so with those partners, like texas organizing project, new florida majority, you know, these are the folks that we want to be

paying attention to and listening to as we're being educated on this year's election. >> andre, this all reminds me of a poll from buzzfeed news and telemundo which found that biden has an overwhelming lead over trump when it comes to support from young black voters, young latino voters, asian voters. is there an age differential on who is being targeted with this disinformation? >> there's no age differential. i think we all have to be careful of this. you know, i think the most important thing is we can't allow ourselves to be distracted. you know, we have to make sure that what we're looking for, as ashley said, is looking for good information, looking for those trusted sources. you know, from the polling, we already in many cases know who -- what people's policies are, which ones are going to benefit our communities. that's what we have to stay focused on in these last sort of 0 days until the election and not getting distracted by the things that show up on all kinds of different feeds whether you're a grandmother on facebook or an 18-year-old on instagram. >> ashley, is this all just

playing at the presidential level or is this type of disinformation playing down-ballot? >> oh, this is absolutely across the board. as we know, while we are in a presidential election, our local elections are just as important. we have to be vigilant from a local, regional, level all the way up into our federal candidates. so this is not just about the presidential election. this is really fundamentally trying to steal our right to vote. and it is happening across the country. it's been happening for decades, as i said. there's no, you know, there's no end to this as we see so that's why we're creating models like win black to make sure we're truly not just arming ourselves but arming our community and working with grassroots organizations across the board to make sure we're fighting back. >> andre, so much of what i hear you and ashley saying is about the responsibility of the

individual. the responsibility of the community to be media literate. at the same time, there are these institutions. there is twitter. there is facebook. how much responsibility lies with them? >> certainly a good amount of responsibility lies for them and, you know, we've been saying throughout our campaign, we started it, as have many of our partners, that these platforms must do more. they have to do more to identify bad actors, to take down misinformation and it's not, you know, we were looking at something recently where facebook took down a group that was putting out misinformation targeting black voters but by the time they took it down they already had 7,000 people who were a part of the group. that's unacceptable. our organization, a small group of ten folks, have found bots within hours that were posting 7,000 messages and really trying to steer the conversation, in particular, trying to move a conversation around latino voters and distract them from, again, this sort of fundamental information they needed to participate. so, you know, this is where we

really just have to stay focused. >> all right. ashley and andre, thank you both. so we know foreign countries are trying to put their thumb on the scale of our democracy. up next, what is congress doing to protect your vote? and does any of it matter if president trump doesn't back them up? 1 in 5 people you meet wear dentures. yeah. that many! but right now, is not the time to talk about it. so when you're ready, search 'my denture care'. poligrip and polident. fixed. fresh. and just between us.

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doing so now. >> house speaker nancy pelosi saying several countries are meddling in the november election. counter intelligence chief said friday russia is working to primarily denigrate former vice president biden while china and iran want president trump to lose. on the senate intel jns panel want more details released to the public as we quickly approach election day. does any of this surprise you what came out in this report? >> absolutely not. 2016 ethere was no change and punishment and change in counter intelligence and increase in budget and increase. it's ground hog day again. >> it's grand hog day again and i think part of what happened is when people rang bells about it four years ago it got marked as

a partisan issue and what it really is an attack on the democracy. >> i've been saying this since 2016. russia doesn't care about, you know, ideological things. what they are is very much in the mind set the cold war never ended. the united states remains the main adversary and they will do anything they can to sew discord and chaos and bring this country down. that's what they are doing. that's russian national strategy. >> you heard that sound of speaker pelosi talking about transparency. is transparency the answer here? >> absolutely. look, you can go to rt, russia today's twitter feed and actively see russia disinformation. you don't see the equal lly covt actions and an example would be the trump tower meeting in 2016. that is undoubtedly going on. those two things go hand in hand. transparency about what the russians are doing, how they are funding money in, who they are

trying to property up and how are doing that is as important as the overt acts that target from the last section minority groups. those agents in the united states are actively doing the same thing they did with the trump tower meeting. we just don't know about it because we can't see it. that transparently, they are owed an explanation and this should be a real threat. there is 8 six days before election day so what functionally can be done to protect the elections? >> the biggest thing that can be done is frankly if we had a president of the united states that picked up the red phone like obama did and warned putin if they were to actually do something to physically change the vote to actively be involved in the vote and not the elections, not facebook but do something we would consider this

is grave and serious threat and may fall under critical infrastructure. if we don't warn the integrity of the elections is incredibly important as considered a national security event, oured a ver t -- adversaries won't take it as such. we need a clear message communicated back this is something we'll take seriously. unfortunately. it doesn't seem like that will happen any time soon. >> how does it complicate the portrait of what is happening to have russia aligning itself with president trump and to have china and iran saying they would rather see joe biden win? >> frankly, i read that report. i'm skeptical that iran and china don't see a value in having chaos here. so i think they all just want chaos in this country and want to see the united states retreat and retract. >> all right. thank you so much. that's all the time i have for this weekend. i'll see you back here next

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