hey there. i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you tonight from msnbc news haurksds in new york a 5.1 earthquake hit in sparta, north carolina near the virginia state line. it is the strongest east coast quake since the one that cracked the washington mon municipality. there's no word of injuries or widespread damage. if only covid-19 was as mers you will. the pandemic continues to send shock waves across america and many are feeling waves of shock to get us through this.

five million confirmed cases now and rising. the actual number could be far higher. five states account for more than 40% of the nation's case load. california has the flurlt, florida, texas, and new york and georgia. millions of americans are understandably worried about paying the bills and sending their kids to school. federal economic relief has declined. so far it is unclear what will replace it, if anything. president trump spent the weekend in new jersey at his golf resort. yesterday he signed a series of executive orders billed as an end run around a gridlocked congress. many democrats and some republicans have said least one of those exceeds the president's powers. the key players in the negotiations say they're not giving up. this morning, house speaker nancy pelosi and white house officials said they are willing to continue negotiations on a

new stimulus package to replace these executive orders. >> we have to reach an agreement. children are food insecure. families are at the risk of being evicted. the virus is moving like a freight train, even though the president has ignored and delayed and distorted what that is. >> anytime they have a new proposal i'm willing to listen. let me just say you're right. we agreed with the democrats. we want to send more checks to the american workers. >> come to the table, accept our compromise to meet in the middle and come up with an agreement. >> the president says we can go back to the negotiating table. we would not say to that. >> it's not your imagination. we have heard all this before. week after week. the first stimulus passed early in the pandemic when consensus was easy to come by, house democrats passed a bill in may. mitch mcconnell unveiled a bill last month. how will they meet in or

anywhere near the middle? even with more negotiations we could see lawsuits from democrats over the president's executive orders, particularly the ones that allocate money. let us begin this hour with democratic congressman hakeem jeffries of new york. his district includes brooklyn and queens. congressman, good evening. >> evening, joshua. great to be with you. >> good to have you. how are folks in your district doing right now marley as it relates to schools. schools are due to reopen. how does it look in your district for that right now? >> well, people are anticipatxi. i've got one son returning to the public school system in the fall. certainly we are lft in the leadership governor cuomo has given the green light for schools to come up with an appropriately safe plan to transition back into the school system as something that i think

parents throughout the district that i represent take comfort in. it's still unclear that it will be entirely in person. i think there is a great likelihood that there will be remote learning as a significant part of the reintegration back to the new fall semester, but i think people are looking forward to the possibility of some sense of normalcy for the education of our children beginning next month. >> how have you been talking to your kidsable the start of school? i know that normally there's that conference of like, do what your teacher tell us you, don't let me have them call me out of work to come get you. i'm interesting big things from you in school. that's the kvrngs. this year we might be on campus for a while, we might be home while you're woerking, all of that. how does that go with your skids? >> my son is a rising junior in

high school. tfl routine he's used to has taken a turn in a different direction in terms of what has happened in the most recent semester. i have said to him and have said to children throughout the district that i represent when i encounter them or have had an opportunity to speak to them in groups is that, you know, life is filled with adversities, ups, downs, highs, lows, peaks and valleys. it's hard to get through life without at some moment along the way facing turbulence. we're in a moment of turbulence right now. and i think the young people have been extraordinary in how they've adjusted to the distance learning that has been required. but as house democrats in particular want to make sure that we can drive resources to schools across the country so that everybody has access to the technology necessary to be able to distance learn and that our schools have the resources

necessary to put the public health sprur in place so that children and teachers can be safe when we fully go back. >> i'm going to ask your colleague, congressman castro about this in just a minute, but let me ask you about it first. what's the next step in terms of negotiating? we've got executive orders. some democrats say they're willing to pursue legal action because they include things like moving money, a stimulus benefits. you've got a republican plan worth $1 trillion. how do we get out of this mess? can everybody go back to washington and say we're going to write a $2 trillion plan and sign on the dotted line? >> we're committed to finding common ground as we have done on four different occasions throughout the year. it's clear to me that the american people in november after 2018 voted for divided

government. that means the president doesn't get to say my way or the highway. by the way, his approach in terms of the executive order is hardly worth the paper that it is written on. it will result in an $800 per person reduction in emergency unemployment insurance benefits at a time when we are in the midst of a significant recession. it would also eventually result in significant cuts to social security and medicare while at the same time does not for state and local budgets, does nothing to provide assistance to struggling tenants who need financial assistance waez contemplated in the heroes act and it doesn't mean direct payments to americans. democrats want to provide $6,000 per family of five throughout america. we want to find common grounds.

nancy pelosi offered to compromise as she indicated and come down from our heeo's act proposal by a trillion dollars and try to find common ground if the republicans are willing to come up from one to two trillion. >> i appreciate you taking time to start us off. thanks 1re67. >> thank you. >> one of president trump's orders aims to extend the unemployment benefits that expired on august 1st. that would decrease from $600 to $400. republican lawmakers have thargtd the higher payment, the one that just expired makes it harder to reactive the work force. simply put, why go to work if you can get more money staying home? also under the president's plan the federal government would split the cost of these new benefit. to get that $400 a week, $100

would have to come from state funding. how many states are willing to chip in? the president is d did not answer that. he simply said "if they don't, they don't. that's up to them." unquote. many states are struggling to close your debts. most states require themselves to balance their budgets every year. by law, they cannot carry over debt. where should that share of the payout come from? let's talk to joaquin castro in texas. his district includes san antonio. congressman, good evening. >> good to be with you. >> let me ask you what i asked congressman jeffreys, how is your district holding up with school getting ready to start and some workers getting aptantsy about what happens next? >> we've be hit hard by the

court reporters. t coronavirus. we've had five weeks in san antonio. we've seen more business shutter. parents are getting nervous about sending their children back to school, although the physical start of school has been delayed by several weeks so people are going to go to school virtually. right now, the federal portion of unemployment benefits have run out. >> regarding the president's executive order about federal payouts, nbc's kelly o'donnell asked him about that and how that might work going forward. here is how he responded. >> why did you decide on $400 where previously families were receiving $600. that will be a hardship. >> that is not a hardship. that is the money they need. this gives them a great up sentive to go back to work. >> how do you see that playing out? do you think that texas is one of the states that would be willing to foot a quarter of a

bill for this extended benefit, presuming it goes forward? >> let me first say that it should be $600 and not $400. i don't believe that the president has the up lateral ability as hakeem jeffries said to declare it's going to be $400. it's congress's job to appropriate those funds. that said, here is perhaps some common ground that we could find, which is i believe that states that have a rainy day fund, for example, like texas, that has been sitting on 12 or $13 billion of rainy day fund and our governor, greg abbott, republican close to donald trump, has refused to use hardly a penny of that money. i do believe that states like that that have a surplus should be willing to put some money up to help their residents and so far in texas, at least, it hasn't happened. >> congressman, if we don't have a deal this week, whose head

needs to roll so we can get them out of the way and get this done? >> well, look, as i mentioned earlier, federal unemployment benefits have run out. people are going to get more and more desperate as time goes on. mitch mcconnell and the senators need to first of all be aware of what's going on in america because at this point i think he's cluls clueless. he's got to be able to stand up top donald trump and say this is an agreement we're going to come to with the democrats and you've got to live with it. >> congressman, give me for interrupting. but with all due respect, it sounds like you're saying mitch mcconnell needs to become a different person. >> you're right. the prospects for that happening are low, right? but it's going to take something out of the ordinary to break through this impasse. and the president just coming up with these executive orders on his own, that's not going to

work. first of all, it's unconstitutional. so these guys are going to have to get back to the negotiating table and work in ernest for the american people. >> i'm worried, man. i have got to say, i'm not convinced that this is going to pull out the same way. mitch mcconnell gave an interview to politico this week where he said this is different from four months ago. there's an election coming up. we mow the politics of this moment are different than the politics of the last 2340e789 and school is getting ready to start and we have a conversation about law enforcement after the homicide of george floyd. everything feels like it's ziemd for a log jam. it leaves me, at least, feeling increasingly pessimistic. how realistically do you feel about the odds of us getting a deal this week? >> i still feel like it's very possible that we can get a deal. at the end of the day, i don't think that a majority of

republicans or democrats are going to lead their with stitco stitch went. putting aside all the partisan shainld all of it that the congress can come through for the american people and will come through for the american people. >> congressman, appreciate you making time. thank you. >> thank you. >> lets get to the night's board. good to see y'all. i need some hope. alease, give me hope. what hope do you see that we can get this done in the next week or to, let's say. please give me some hope. >> well, donald trump needs a deal. he needs to have something to show the american people.

congressman, republicans in congress should still up sent vies to make some kind of deal because people are really struggling and they're looking at a lot of really downballot races because of how donald trump is handle the pandemic. that should give you hope but frankly, no, i have very little hope. joshua, you're kind of talking to the wrong person, i guess. >> that's not what i wanted to hear. oh! that's -- ok. all right. no. i'm not giving up. >> hayes, my man. hope, give me a little bit of hope. is there anything you see particularly in terms maybe of lemplg that one side or the other might use to close this deal. can you give me hope. >> the best hope i ko possibly give you right now is the fact that inside the tangled web of the president's executive orders there was money that he has decided will suddenly -- become

available from department of homeland security and the money that has already passed by canadian and the cares act, that will be used for unemployment. unfortunately even if this gets spooled up and starts spending money out to cover this benefit that has lapsed it's got enough for about a month, if that, according to an analysis. if this becomes a thing and people start receiving these checks, they're not going to be for very long. so congress does have to act eventually. the hope i can give you is we might have a few more weeks before this starts to really impact people but the idea that that will actually be put into place and be able to have it work out smoothly doesn't seem exactly likely. >> all right. so elise gave me no hope. hayes gave me an unfortunately. i consider myself 0-2. jacqueline, please, please,

hope. >> fortunately, it's not my job to provide hope but i think a silver lining could come out of the reaction to the weekends orders. neither republicans nor democrats are in agreement with what the president unrolled the weekend. democrats have calmed trump's executive order toothless. there's no action to a moratorium. it is just a memorandum advising hud to explore options to help people with represental assista. republicans have large ly to begin with. and the hundred dollars that the president wants is higher than republicans wanted and lower than democrats want. state governors have come out

and said we can't cover that $100 that the president is expecting states to provide out of that $400 because their revenues have been decimated by the coronavirus. all this standstill and excludeing republicans coming out against the president, using executive powers and the legal apparatus he has will spark some action on capitol hill finally. >> this is the most depressing panel i've ever done. this is not what i asked for. but i hear where you're coming from. i'm still confused as to the strategy behind these executive orders kind of knowing that there would be this kind of push-back, but let's hold there. we'll keep going in just a little bit with the panel in just a moment. now, however this stimulus money materializes there's no doubt that many of us need it right now. we heard from a lot of you about how losing this $600 benefit is

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jieshs joe bid . the latest roundup of national polls look good for mr. biden. most of the polls that comprise this average have margins of errors of about three points so his lead is statistically significant. in just over a week he will officially accept the democratic nomination at the party's first-ever virtual convention. who is the best running mate to bolster his campaign? our panel is back with us. i wonder if we might start by asking that question. who do you think is the best running mate? briefly let's hear from -- jacqueline, i don't want to put you on the spot as a reporter. hayes and elise, who are the best running mate now and why? >> there's such a strong field of democratic women who could step up to the plate and do an

incredible job. up think that joe biden is presented with an embarrassment of riches here now. it's more about not making a mistake. hopefully whoever he does select has been properly vetted so there aren't any last-minute surprises. >> is there anyone you think is in the lead? >> well, in the lead i think that senator kamala harris is probably going to get the nod or susan rice, but i personally feel that val demings would be a strong choice. i also think that the governor of rhode island is somebody who hasn't been talked about very much but would be in a great position to lead if they happened to get the nod. >> i wonder how you would hasn't cap the field, particularly in light of what hillary clinton had to say today. she had some praise.

here's part of what she said. >> i think he has very good choices. i'm excited about whoever it is that he picks based on, you know, the people that have been made public in terms of his interest in them and their being vetted and even meeting with him, because he has to have somebody that would be ready to be our president, somebody that he wants to work with and somebody who can help him win. >> hayes, who do you think tops the list at least right now? >> i'm going to take what's known in the business as a cop-out, which is to say that i really think that i agree with elise. there's so many who could do a good job. i think at the top of the list, i think gretchen whit her was vetted. she was the first woman we know meeting with the vice president in person. i think she would do a great job. she's a strong candidate from the midwest. she, i think, would make for a really attractive choice for

biden, giving his sense blilts. i also think that i kamala haigs, again, she is a very strong pick. there have been concerns. some sniping in the press that kamala harris is considered too ambitious, that biden doesn't want somebody who will be thinking ahead to being president while spending their time as vice president. i think that's a sillry concern. most every vice president has been thinking ahead. to write her off because of that makes no sense. >> i did not know the copout was a technical term of art but thank you. i learn new things all around. the executive order is one way the trump administration has tested the bounds of its executive order. if it's getting harder to track these successes, worry not. somebody is tracking them for you. we'll find out what he learned

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president trump's executive orders on covid-19 relief are under scrutiny for exceeding his executive order. the bren nanocenter for justice has a new page itemizes these excesses. it lists where his undermining of power, including before coronavirus hitting. joining us to discuss is our panel elise jordan, hayes brown and jacqueline. let's look at a few of the abuses that the brennan center's website listed. there are quite a few of them. manipulating the cdc and preventions public health guidance, engaging administration officials, undercutting the authority of

inspectors general and attacking. what does the center hope to shea chief by cataloging all these things? we're kind of aware of what's going on jeenl, aren't we? >> right. well, thank you, joshua, and it's a pleasure to be here. so i think it's a great question. and what we need to start with is that we're not talking just about mistakes here. every president, every administration makes mistakes. what's different about this president and this administration is the pervasive disregard for theory larms, the bells, whatever you want to call them, that democrats and republicans adhered to. that's some of the things you talked about, attacking scientists, conflicts of interest. these things are having a real impact on the lives of millions of people. that's what we're cataloging. what we're also doing is wanting to take the case that we need

real reform in this country to restore some of the guardrails that have made the government effective in the past so that hopefully you can deal with this crisis and future once. >> is the brennan center accusing the president of things that are unseemly or illegal? >> it's a great question what it's important to remember is that a lot of what i think most americans night assume the law says about how the president or about how members of his administration have to conduct themselves is actually this set of unwritten rules or norms or guard bells, whatever you want to call them. part of what we think needs to happen is some of these unwritten rules need to become written rules and that we do need reform of our system, so, you know, whether the president broke the law or not is kind of beside the point. it's how do we actually have a government that works for the american people, particularly in

times of crisis like this one. >> jacqueline, how do you see that play out? your colleague had a piece in the post now talking about republicans paying the price for the way things are going right now and that it would be emblematic of a larger systemic failure in the gop. are there signs of that happening now or does that feel a little more aspirational on the part of the president's critics, at least at this moment. >> i think we all remember the gop's rally. we're starting to see the republicans come out with reservations of the huge representation of congressman's budgetary authority. that is budgetary authority as he pointed out and rest with congressman.

they have the power to reverse. the president really doesn't have the legal authority to be rolling out these executive orders but it makes what he's been doing muted and pretty ineffective. his own environment seems to be different pages. he had his national just say recently that this was something that congress needs to do, congress needs to appropriate the money. this morning he walk that back and said i'm not a lawyer. look, we already have a handful of republicans coming out against what the republicans are trying to do and they urged them to come back to the negotiate table this week to resolve something that is more in line than the traditional separation of power. >> i can tell you congress proeps money. you don't need to be a lawyer. you have just need to read the law. elise, what about that

contention that president trump's supporters will pay for this politically somehow? there have been efforts to cot log his sins whether it is any running tallies of mistakes or errors or nat-out falsehood to the mueller report and nothing has quite stuck. how do you see the future of this? i'm not taking it out on brennan's page. how do you see the future of this? gentleman first of all, i would sail i think it's so important what the brennan center is doing but my head spins every single day trying to keep up with the litany of abuses that are happening by the trump administration. i think a central database of what's happening is so important and also the cataloging of the breaking of norms. things that we have haven't inscribed in law but that have followed out of decency and out

of honor and out of the sense of the way business has done and how the trump administration has completely flattened those norms. i think the question is how do you put the genie back in the bottle? it's going to be -- it's just the cycle of hypocrisy in politics sadly will continue onwards just as you suddenly see republicans starting to care about deficits again after enabling donald trump his entire presidency. >> the list is on brennan? center.org. thanks for making time for us. >> thank you. >> before we pause, we have been asking for your stories of dealing with this pandemic. some of them are heartbreaking. others are frightening. with that said, here are two resources that we think you should know about. first, the national suicide

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more than 532 covid cases. this week the state recorded a new weekly high for hospitalizations. the nation relies on florida for a significant amount of produce and flour, especially during the winter. in april, the state's department of agriculture and consumer services estimated that florida farmers lost more than a half

billion in crops and that total is increasing as the pandemic continues. joining us now is nicky freed. she's launching a campaign to encourage residents to wear facemasks. the pam is back with us. good evening, commissioner. >> good evening. thank you for having me. >> what's the outlook like for the rest of the year and into 2021 at this current pace? >> you put that up. we had a 522 million dollars worth of losses. lt this pandemic hit us right in the middle of the harvest season. so many producers and growers had to plow under fields, had to spill out milk because the traditional foodservice astro, our cruise line industry, universal studios and disney all shut down. everybody had to be creative.

we laurmgd a consumer awareness hot line to allow consumers to go on the website to get direct from our consumers. we've seen consumers confidence awakening. consumers are wanting to know who their farmers are, buy direct. i have no doubt that our foormers that have growers are resilient. they are strong. this is not the first time we have been dealt with some type of catastrophe, whether it's hurricanes, droughts, severe weathers, international trade deals, so i have complete faith in our alarchitectural producers that we'll be strong after the pandemic. >> my family is near the florida-georgia line, so got my fingers crossed for citrus growing and the entire state's agricultural sector. you launched people encourage to

wear facemasks. my family is in florida. my grandmother is turning 102 this week. we did a drive-by happy birthday to her. in light of the fact that floridians know what's up, i'm wondering what you think the campaign is meant to accomplish? floridians don't know there are people like my grandmother who need them to socially distance and mask? >> well, first of all happy birthday to your grandmother. mine is 90 as well, in south florida. the numbers you're seeing are out of control. the fact is we've lost sa 00 of our citizens this past week. we have over 8,000 sitting in our hospitals, and unfortunately at a time where we should be united, we're divided, divided on wearing masks and social distancings. our governor has been inconsistent with his message. for months so many floridians have been asking for a floridian

to stand up and lead by example and show the science smart measures. the campaign did consumer awareness campaign that's reminding our citizens to do these small simple things. social distance, make sure you're wearing a mask, avoiding crowds. remember to be washing your hands and make sure you're throwing out any disposable items. when we're coming together and doing small things to protect our family members, protect ourselves, we'll bablgtd beat this. i'm encouraged by the launch of our campaign, within 48 hours we had 125 million impression by very diverse individuals have come together to spore the campaign from leaders across the state, athletes, as well as general floridians together to share this message to be smart, florida. >> hayes, how do you see the economic impact of this going forward? the commissioner mentioned disneyworld.

it's going to reduce its operating hours on september 8th. where does this go from here? >> unfortunately, i mean, the things that people have been saying since the start of this pandemic, which has not kpliet caught on, is there will be no true economic recovery. 6,000 new cases per day which is, while it's down 30-plus% from two weeks ago -- that is still extremely high. until the virus gets under control and truly under wraps, we're going to see running right up against a pandemic. you can't have an economic recovery where people are going back to work, where people are earning wages. social distance without getting the virus in check. the economic situation places like florida and places where the virus is still hitting hard is going to look bad, especially -- as well, the longer the economy is hurting,

the less revenue the states have, the less able they are to help the individuals. the hospitals are overwhelmed. the less they're going to be able to treat people and get economy jump started. it's all a chain effect. >> thank you to our panel. so how will americans adapt to losing that $600 weekly benefit? one of you are told us about your creative way to stay sane through all of this. we'll share some of your stories before we go. we'll share some of your stories before we go (neighbor) whatcha working on...

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we asked for your stories of getting by with 4 federal benefits. here's some of what you sent us. alyssa moved from massachusetts to north carolina. since the additional $600 unemployment benefit ended, i am collecting $103 per week. i've been offered a part-time job in retail where i will have to be around other folks in a small store, who may not always wear a mask correctly. i have copd and am terrified of contracting covid-19, as it would surely be a death sentence for me. even with the part-time work, i have no idea how i will make ends meet. i'm hoping to pick up some gig jobs, possibly doing instacart or door dash. i should be looking forward to retirement, i turn 55 this year, but instead i'm worried about working and trying not to die. jessica and eric live in

connecticut. he works in new york's media production industry, she is a stay-at-home mother. with new york city unemployment and the extra $600, we were bringing in less than half of what we were making before covid. we used up all our savings and had to withdraw money out of his retirement. we were lucky we were able to do that, as so many aren't. he won't be back to work until october, hopefully. cost of living is very high in and around new york city. our rental loan is over $2,000. rental bills are rising, food costs are rising. we've never been so scared and frustrated in our lives. marnie in new jersey lost her husband in february. she worked as his paralegal for free and rented out their properties to students at rutgers. when rutgers closed, i lost all my money to pay mortgages, subcontractors, and my superintendent. i tried to apply for ppp, but it was gone. in addition to losing my husband of 35 years, i am losing our

rental business and my home. i obviously did not qualify for unemployment since i worked for free. i am now losing everything, even my home. nothing has been offered to those who lost a husband, wife, or income earner as a result of coronavirus. why not? we are suffering a horrible loss during a pandemic, and the world has turned into a wretched place. zelda from california has found a way to keep occupied through all this uncertainty. i have created a family magazine called "the family box." this project feels like work to me. my compensation is hearing a "z" on the phone laughing about what she read. having $cyst 600 a week would help repair my fridge and turn on my ac. it would be nice to cool off with a frozen fruit bar. i don't have time to hope the white house shenanigans will end soon, z's laugh is the only

guarantee i have right now. hopefully she gets those appliances on fast. zelda lives near palm springs. tomorrow's forecast high? 111 degrees. thank you for making time for us tonight. i'll be back next weekend, but until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. stay safe, stay sharp, stay tuned. "meet the press" with chuck todd is next on msnbc. ♪ we see you. looking out...for all of us. and though you may have lost sight of your own well-being,

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this sunday, pandemic and politics. >> the situation is dire. >> the u.s. reaches 5 million confirmed covid cases. >> come into my icu. come watch. patients and families are crushed. >> that is a huge toll to take every day, knowing that you're the only person or maybe the last person who speaks to them. >> while president trump continues to deny the tragedy he's overseeing. >> it will go away. things go away. absolutely. no question in my mind it will go away. congress deadlocked. >> this morning was a disappointing -- i don't care what rose they try to pin on it.