growth, as the flu season ramps up are we going to see the numbers spike again and testing is also falling. we saw a lot of that from increased testing as we get a better scope of the size of the virus, as testing falls we may be missing some cases. so may be keeping an eye on that to see if that increases again. >> nicholas, johnston, good to see you this morning. i'll be reading axios in a bit you too can read the newsletter go to signup.axios.com. that does it for me this morning i'm yasmin vossoughian. "morning joe" starts now. >> so when you sit at home in a basement looking at the computer your brain starts to wither away. it's 99.9% of all fat-ilities are adults. we're competing with others but

i'm not competing with anyone. your brain starts to wither away. we have a lot of good experience at that just by taking a look at what's happening in politics. >> i tell you what, he needs to get out of the basement, mika. >> is he okay? >> i guess they rushed him down to the bunker more than he expected because i was thinking one of these things where it was projection or confession. looks like confession there. you remember those books about the kids that lived in the attic. i guess we have a president that lives in in the basement and that was a cry for help. my gosh, the mind just -- >> yeah, it's not doing well. i think he had a very bad day yesterday we'll talk about things -- >> let me ask you this. >> okay. go ahead, ask me. >> i can always tell -- >> okay. >> -- because i try not to watch his press conferences in real time. >> i do. >> you turn on all the tvs in

the house and you connect it and turn it up to 11. >> i do not. >> and i either flee, like put on my headphones and listen to the imperial's greatest hits. >> you have to look at what's going on. >> or i make you turn off all the televisions. >> yeah. >> yesterday we outvoted you on the island and you had to turn off all the televisions. but all the texts came in and it has the rhythm where the texts keep flooding in, you're like, oh, man. so you knew he really went off, so we went back and looked at the highlights of it. and he was really unmored yesterday, deeply disturbed. i know it's all relative but you can really tell when something upsets him. what do you think it was yesterday? excuse me. >> bless you. kamala harris' speech.

the rollout of kamala. all the great press. and all the sort of work that the biden campaign did to make a case as to why joe biden and kamala harris could set this country back on track. it would take a while to pick up the pieces of the disaster he has put in front of us over the last few years and then they honed in on the coronavirus and she made it very clear that he botched it, and my words not hers but he lied his way through it and caused more deaths. we can argue about that, talk to scientists about that. but there's a school of thought that believes if you had uniform rules on masks, if you were not afraid to lead and nationalize testing so you could get a handle on this thing and contact trace and do everything that needed to be done -- >> you're saying this is why he

was upset yesterday. >> -- then other countries would not be doing as well as us. and one more thing and then you can go back to how much he was losing it. he realizes he's not going to win the election -- >> win >> bingo. >> -- at least fairly. the reason he doesn't want the testing it's almost purposeful malpractice, he doesn't want the numbers. he's allowing people to die because he's afraid to show the real numbers in the country. i don't know when we'll get to the point that republicans understand this. >> let me see who we have here today, we work for about 20 hours to get ready for the show. jonathan lemire is on. >> he's here. >> jonathan, quickly let me bring you in the here. so the president was -- by the way, i guess you needed to take the picture down when a team is

playing as badly as the red sox, you don't want your children to see -- >> he has it right there. >> does he still have it? it's hidden, okay. here's the thing, jonathan. the president, again, it's all sort of relative, but the president was really spooled up yesterday and just kind of throwing a little crazy. and the park that stuck out to me, he basically said the democrats were going to run elections that were less fair than iran and russia and who else, the martians, who else did he put in there? iran, russia, china, whatever. china, yeah. because what he's doing and "the washington journal" had an editorial about this, he's basically putting a sign on his

head that says "i know i'm going to lose". and yesterday he seemed more spooled up and more freaked out and making more excuses for a loss in an election that's a couple months away still. >> well, joe, first of all, when a loved one passes away you put their picture up to remember the good times that's the jason v veritech photo. but as far as the nothing, literally nothing. as far as the president goes, you're right. let's remember when he ramped up this talk a few weeks ago suggesting that the mail-in balloting would lead to widespread voter fraud and the results of the election would be illegitima illegitimate. he got push back from the republicans privately saying you have to stop because you're

telegraphing that you're losing. setting assign under mining confidence in the balance, the number of things the democrats have charged how dangerous the talk was, republicans are saying you're tipping your hand you know you're losing, knock it off. he hasn't done that, as we can see. yesterday he leaned into it harder than ever before, listing state that is he thought the voting would be illegal, inappropriate, inaccurate, choose your word there, comparing it to these other countries. you're right, a lot of this does stem, according to our reporting and it's surprising, it seems the trump campaign, though kamala harris was the favorite to be joe biden's vp pick from the beginning of the process, they seem flat-footed in terms of their response, do they have time to turn it around? of course they do. they haven't yet. they're still trying to pigeon hole her as a leftist on one

hand and then the other hand this cop who was too tough on joe biden. they're trying to have it both ways and harris' record doesn't lend itself, much like joe biden's record doesn't lend itself, to suggest she's an extreme part of the democratic party. and as a final point, as much as the president has said that harris was his number one draft pick, that's who he wanted biden to pick, as recently as sunday night he was telling confidants on the plane he wanted susan rice and karen bass, that's who he wanted. he didn't want kamala harris. >> alicia menendez, it's face nating that harris fills this spot and she siynthesizes so may things at the same time, it was the predictable pick, safest

pick, the pick i was thinking don't surprise the press, don't press the -- pick her. at the same time, when you see that very predictable pick in headlines you're like that was a revolutionary pick, even if she is a member of the political establishment. they're trying to paint her as a left winger. at the same time right wing websites are like selling t-shirts that say kamala is a cop. it's like, no. and then they're attacking her as marge simpson yesterday. you know, of course, the woman had always cleaned up the buffoons mess. they can't figure out exactly how to attack her. which, of course -- >> perfect. >> -- it fits in with joe biden. they haven't been able to lay a

glove on joe biden either despite the fact they've spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to do so. >> travelled the earth. >> they're still workshoping it, joe, trying to figure it out. it's hard to figure out if the they have not landed on it or cannot commit to the message discipline of sticking with it. you watched them yesterday, biden and harris side by side, and what a study, you know, in diversity in a ticket. you have two people from two different coasts, two different generations, two different genders, different races and ethnicities already presenting sort of this more complicated vision as a ticket than either one of them could alone. >> yeah, and eddie, you talk about diversity. look at geographic diversity and know it's not east coast elite and west coast elite.

it's scranton and san francisco. and that's something that the democratic party doesn't always do well. i mean, if republicans try to bush joe bid-- push joe biden o east coast elite, it doesn't work. the guy that gets on amtrak takes the train home to his kid, the guy that connects more closely with scranton, pennsylvania than anywhere else, he's from white working class america. so do you have -- it seems to me they have got a pretty good mix of diversity on a lot of different fronts. >> absolutely. and then you combine that with the fact, joe, that kamala harris is also a daughter of immigrants. she represents, in some ways, the america that we have been pining for in some ways. given what we've experienced

over the last three and a half years -- at least some of us have been pining for. so i think what's really fascinating is that with this ticket we have a stark choice come november. we all know that november is an election of our lifetime. but now it's kind of visually the case. with the biden/harris ticket and the trump/pence ticket that you can't quite -- it couldn't be put together more clearly of the choice that we have. and so, it's interesting to see what will happen following from this. but, you know, as expected, the trump campaign, along with all the other things you just listed they also started to question whether or not -- it wasn't birtherism full-blown but they started questioning kamala harris' american-ness because she's a child of immigrants. so we heard that as well. >> my god, mika, jamaican immigrants.

collin powell. general of the joint chiefs. >> it's all been done before. i think the president has done a good job of decent tuesdsensitie to the stupidity. as others look at the team emerging, it's like do they want that still? joe biden and kamala harris appeared together as running mates for the first time yesterday and while the republicans and trump campaign were scrambling for bad things to say ability them, they held their event inside a delaware gym. there were face masks and they were socially distanced. mostly made for tv, no audience. biden introduced kamala harris his running mate and explained his selection while harris explained how she came to know

joe. both candidates talked about rebuilding the country and donald trump and his handling of the pandemic. >> somebody who has presented my fair share of arms in court, the case against donald trump and mike pence is open and shut. when other countries are following the countries were flattening the curve, he said the virus would just poof, go away. quote, like a miracle. so when other countries opened back up for business, what did we do? we had to shutdown again. this virus has impacted almost every country. but there's a reason it has hit america worse than any other advanced nation. it's because of trump's failure to take it seriously from the

start. his refusal to get testing up and running. his flip flopping on social distancing and wearing masks. his delusional belief that he knows better than the experts. all of that is reason. and the reason that an american dies of covid-19 every 80 seconds. it's why countless businesses have had to shut their doors for good. it's why there is complete chaos over when and how to reopen our schools. mothers and fathers are confused and uncertain and angry about child care and the safety of their kids at school. whether they'll be in danger if they go or fall behind if they don't. trump is also the reason

millions of americans are now unemployed. he inherited the longest economic expansion in history from barack obama and joe biden. and then, like everything else he inherited, he ran it straight into the ground. because of trump's failures of leadership, our economy has taken one of the biggest hits out of all the major industrialized nations with an unemployment rate that has tripled as of today. this is what happens when we elect a guy who just isn't up for the job. >> okay. joe, a lot of things. first of all, i know you want to respond to kamala's remarks, so do that. but first this is why he's freaking out. the case against him is massive. >> right. >> and i really want to focus in on what he's doing at some point in the show to the post office

and what he's trying to do to win this election a different way or to drag it out. but whatever he's trying to do, which, of course, goes back to his own self interests, will it's money, hydroxychloroquine, russia, giving money to russia through a vaccine, whatever he's going to try to do for his own self-interests it will continue to destroy, chip away at our democracy, these aren't extreme words anymore. if you care about our democracy anymore, republicans you would say no to at least one thing he's doing. we're not talking about right and left. we're talking about right and wrong. we're talking about patriotism, loving this country, following our constitution. what he's doing to the post office needs to be looked at 24/7 because he wants to make sure this election doesn't happen because he's clear he won't win it. i say that knowing his

personality very, very well, some may criticize him for knowing us very well, but it helps at this moment to warn people as much as possible, he will do what it takes to try and win the wrong way. because he sees very clearly that this team is going to kick his butt in november. >> yeah. well, you warned, we warned people in 2016. >> during the election. >> four years ago -- >> during the campaign, sorry. >> yeah. in august. you were talking about donald trump asking foreign policy expert three times in 30 minutes -- >> yes. >> -- about why can't we use nuclear weapons against iran and north korea and other countries and, of course, all the warnings about putin. but this time some of the calls of concern are coming from inside the house. you have republicans who are now starting to speak out a little

bit. you have "the wall street journal" editorial page that's been far too forgiving of him over the years, it's been a disappointment as a life-long reader of the editorial page but sometimes it's too much for them. but when he talks about the mail-in balloting being rigged. they even said if you don't think you can win the election then quit and let somebody run who thinks they can. yesterday the president became unspooled more than usual, i think for a couple reasons. one he was undone by kamala harris' line when she said you inherited the longest economic expansion in the history of america and like everything else you inherited you ran it into the ground. of course, a reference to donald trump inheriting $400 million in

today's dollars from his father and going bankrupt, having his companies go bankrupt. destroying all of his companies. and also, and i think jake sherman, the -- i'll start calling you jake from state farm. i love that. one of the greatest commercials of our time. but jake, when kamala harris says that one american dies every 80 seconds, that's just one of those facts that break through against donald trump, who started by saying this was a media hoax, has been saying it's going to go away, has been repeating time and time again that it was much ado about nothing. he suggested early on it's the flu. i still hear from some of his supporters it's nothing more than a bad version of the flu. but when kamala says one out

of -- one person dies every 80 seconds, well, that's just -- that's something that breaks through the noise. and i -- i -- if you're donald trump, you have to fear that all of his quotes and all the hard facts from this coronavirus, it's going to be something he can't get away from. >> it's no longer an abstraction when she says that. i think, also, this hammers home the fact that the administration is still, a, trying to wish the virus away. i've had people in the administration say to me, even as recently as a couple weeks ago, that masks could be harmful -- behind the scenes privately they say this, that children are immune from this and there's data we don't know about that indicates it's far less deadly than we think and we've got it wrong and we're hyping it up. this is real.

this is senior people in the administration. i just also want to get back to the post office, because mika what you said is so important. here's the strange situation going on here. the president's administration agreed with democrats that the post office needed more money. this is not something his negotiators believe. his negotiators agreed to $10 billion to bolster the post office in negotiations with nancy pelosi who you'll have on later this hour and can ask her about. even in the white house there's a recognition that the president is wrong. i just find that jarring. when i heard yesterday that the president said he wanted no more money from the post office, i was taken aback because mark meadows and steve mnuchin believe there should be more money for the post office -- >> in a pandemic. >> yeah. it's -- it's serious -- >> what president wouldn't give money to the post office during

a pandemic when the post office is the way that people can get their medicines and also vote. >> a president who doesn't respect democratic norms, democratic values and a president who believes -- >> hello. >> -- he's going to lose the election and he put his own cronny in charge there. a guy with a lot of conflict of interest financially and a guy who think he's going to be able to cause enough chaos and confusion he can call into question the results of the election. yesterday we showed you some of kamala harris' comments. here's joe biden yesterday speaking at the joint event. >> you all knew it was coming. you could have set your watches to it. donald trump has started his attacks calling kamala nasty,

whiny, about how she's mean to his appointees. it's no surprise because whining is what donald trump does best. better than any president in american history. is there any surprise that donald trump has a problem with a strong woman or strong women across the board? >> this is a great joe biden trait. he's not afraid of having a strong woman by his side. mar m strong woman. i love the way that dr. jill biden worked as a community college professor throughout the time that joe biden was serving as vice president. it's so out of step with usually how things go in washington. even my mom went through it where she had to, you know, struggle to have her career and then stand by my dad's side at the house. jill biden had her own life, her

own sense of self, value, they have a strong relationship and he's not not afraid of it at all. i feel joe biden, especially with the choice of kamala harris, alicia, is not afraid to put people around him who will challenge him. unlike president donald trump who wants a bunch of stooges who will take the oath, the stupider the better because the more ma nippi -- ma nippive he will be. joe biden isn't afraid to be challenged to think things through, whether it's on a foreign policy issue or domestic issue he wants to make the best decisions for american and in order to do that, you have to be man enough to be challenged. and in picking kamala harris he

has picked someone that has the chops, the career she has built on her own, but also she's challenged him along the way. >> right. when you talk about the strength of a man, nothing stronger than being able to pick someone who has challenged you to be in the room with you, to be your running mate, be the last person in the room to ask the hard questions. that was one of the returns to normalcy it felt like we were watching yesterday. also i was struck by this return to empathy, this call for morality. there was a piece from harris' remarks that didn't get as much attention as i thought it deserved, which was her saying we need more than a victory on november 3rd, we need a mandate that proves that the past few years do not represent who we are or who we aspire to be. and that you also had them, through this lens of the pandemic, through the lens of the economic fallout that americans across the country have experienced marrying two of

their messages. marrying her 3:00 a.m. agenda, this sense that moms and dads across america are up late at night trying to figure out how they're going to make their way out of this, combined with biden's idea of the dignity of work of the fact that people want to get to work. those ideas together incredibly powerful and meeting people where they are in this moment of uncertainty and as they look for leadership to guide us out of the crisis. >> yeah. >> you know, just listening to you talking, watching joe biden together with kamala harris, i was reminded in 2008, republicans kept trying to paint barack obama as the second-most liberal member in the united states senate, he was a left winger, he was a radical, but temper mentally, it just never sold because he was a moderate

and people were comfortable with him. you look at kamala harris it's the same thing, people trying to paint her as a crazy left winger, on the other hand saying she's not left wing enough. again those attacks against her that she's somehow this crazy left wing stooge of the democratic party, of progressives, it's not just -- i don't think it's going to sell with the american people, because it's just not how she presents herself. that's like when democrats tried to call ronald regan a right wing fascist and he'd sit around smiling, it never sold. people never believed that reagan was this crazy man that was going to start world war iii. people were comfortable with him. right now in swing states it

looks like americans in one poll after another seem comfortable with joe biden. in arizona joe biden is up 4. this is some college polls that came out yesterday. trump we found one where trump was ahead in a swing state, one of the few we've seen over the past month. donald trump is up by 2 points in north carolina. and pennsylvania joe biden up by 9 points. and then there's the arizona senate race that had mark kelly up by about a dozen points i think it is. yeah. mark kelly up by 11 points over martha mcsally in the senate race. so, jonathan, we check in with you to see what the white house's political strategy is as the swing states again continue to break in joe biden's direction. >> no question.

first of all, in the arizona senate race, trump campaign officials privately suggest she's in extraordinarily troubling. they know she's down and down big, they're worried there about the impact it could also have on his standing in arizona. he has such little margin for error in terms of the map. the trump campaign thinks that michigan is gone and if that's the case it leaves five battleground states, pennsylvania, wisconsin, north carolina, arizona, florida. and with michigan gone, he has to win the other four. there's no path to victory. a strategist i was talking to the other day, before the harris announcement, saw trends that suggested they closed the gap in the states, arizona four points, and the question posed to me was it's not that the focus here shouldn't be that joe biden is winning.

the question should be, why isn't joe biden winning by more considering what a dismal six months this president has had. i think some of that, of course, is the nature of the electorate. we're so polarized and the country so gripped with partisanship but the trump campaign they know they're down but feel like they're still in striking distance. they hope to have a robust kind of programming schedule next week when the democrats have their virtual convention now, not going to milwaukee. often the candidate of the other party lays low during the week of the convention, that's not happening here. the president is going to minnesota, wisconsin, arizona and then it can only be described as a troll move. next thursday when joe biden gives his acceptance speech when he becomes the democratic nominee for president formally, president trump plans an event

in scranton, pennsylvania. joe biden's hometown. >> i pray they don't squish people together. >> with any luck for the biden campaign president trump will do his coronavirus briefings every afternoon. that's the problem, and nobody can tell the president this -- the more he goes out -- >> the worse it is. >> -- the worse he makes it himself. >> and people get sick. how can you not get sick at a super spreader event. >> where jonathan lemire has been reporting, i do agree that the fact that in a lot of these states it's four or five or six points, despite the fact that donald trump has had the worst six months i think the worst performance of any six months of any president in my lifetime, i agree with the trump campaign he should be down by a lot more, but it's four, five, six points in a lot of these states. i suspect arizona is going to stay tight. i've been surprised that florida

has not been tighter in the overall polls. it seems the president is doing far worse in florida than i expected. i would also expect florida to tighten up at the end. but michigan and i got to say, pennsylvania, i -- and i keep saying this, but again, i certainly have been proven wrong before, about three or four times a day. but i have a trouble with the math in pennsylvania for the trump campaign. you look at the city of philadelphia, you look at the philadelphia suburbs, the president can go to scranton, pennsylvania all he wants. he's still going to underperform dramatically from what -- how republicans usually perform there because joe biden is going to do well in scranton, pennsylvania. he's going to do better in the pittsburgh suburbs than hillary clinton did. i don't see where -- how they keep pennsylvania close. and, of course, if he loses

michigan and pennsylvania, it's game over. if you lose florida it's, of course, game over. but florida right now, again, in a lot of polls you're seeing sort of biden stubbornly maintaining a five, six, seven point lead and the only explanation can be a lot of seniors who have known a lot of people who have died in their state while donald trump has been downplaying the coronavirus. >> here we go. he continues to downplay it. still ahead on "morning joe," the u.s. suffers its worse day in months when it comes to daily deaths from the coronavirus. but the president insists on reopening schools. he wants to actually stop testing. we don't have rapid testing around the country, testing is not where it should be because he doesn't want to see the numbers so this runs rampant across our country with no road map, thanks to trump. plus insight on how kamala

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there's still a couple of rapid fire questions and then just give me what pops up in your mind. diet? >> i like vegetables. i like to eat with a knife and fork whenever i can. i say that because these days campaigning i'm often eating in the car -- >> from boxes. >> -- ripping open boxes and something that can be eaten with one hand. >> yes. exercise. >> plenty. >> coffee or tea? >> tea and coffee. >> beer, wine or burrbon. >> wine. >> your favorite treat if you want to indulge. >> dorito's.

>> that was dr. dave campbell's interview with kamala harris last year. that was before the coronavirus swept the nation challenging the health care of america. first an update on the pandemic. the u.s. has reported a record number of highest number of deaths in a single day -- >> awful. gees. >> -- since mid may at nearly 1500. this comes as president trump presses the nation to reopen schools. yesterday georgia reported more than 100 new deaths for the second straight day. in florida cases surge past 550,000 and the state confirmed over 200 in new deaths. dr. dave, let's start there. the president complained, said if you have more testing you have more cases and that's how we compare with other countries and that wouldn't be fair. but it's the deaths that are

much more important here. >> just devastating. >> and we're number one in the worst way ever. is this going to get worse before it gets better? let's look at florida. >> it absolutely will get worse. i'm not the expert in making predictions about how this will go, but if we look back to memorial day and then july fourth and if anybody looks around as they're driving around their hometown and sees the large groups of typically younger people gathered together without face masks, they should be able to predict the future like we can today, and that is that there will be a continuing number of new cases, testing or otherwise, and that will then lead to the lagging indicator of deaths from coronavirus, from 19. we're seeing that certainly in florida, we're seeing that across the country.

and those numbers, the number of deaths won't drop down, and won't plummet down as e with may see some more variability in testing numbers because testing numbers are, to a certain extent, dependent on the number of people tested, the timing of the testing coming back. but deaths, that's a hard objective measure and it is frightening to see. and it is predictable that we are where we are now, mika. >> i mean, if you look at 200 deaths in florida, that's a tragedy. that's 200 families in had shock, 200 communities and friend networks who are in mourning, who are horrified as to what is going on. and potentially more people who have the virus. i mean, this tragedy continues and dr. dave maybe i'm not understanding something about the president's logic, but i just -- if we had more testing

perhaps if the defense production act was mobilized to nationalize testing and have mass testing across the country, of course we would get a lot of numbers because this virus spreads very quickly, but wouldn't it allow us to trace where it is and then to mitigate? wouldn't it bring the number of deaths down? >> yes. if we knew more rapidly and more thoroughly who becomes infected with the coronavirus we could then do rapid contact trace, we could find out who those infected people had been in contact with and develop self-isolation and quarantine measures. we could absolutely drive the numbers down. that's been stated over and over again. dr. fauci, dr. birx, you name it, everybody understands that. and unfortunately, as we see the numbers of testing go down, texas in particular, but

certainly all across the country, we can predict that we will know less. we will be more blind moving forward. that will allow more disease to spread and then weeks and months later we will see more deaths, mika. it's an inevitable situation unfortunately. and we're witnessing it right now, in august, having to do with things that happened in the later part of the spring and the summer. >> dr. dave campbell, thank you very much. we loved your interview with kamala harris. folks can find that online. coming up, how donald trump unmade u.s. foreign policy, like the affordable care act, richard haass writes the president wants to repeal an imperfect but value system without a way to replace it. richard joins us next to explain. richard joins us next to explain. a lot of healthy foods are very acidic

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♪ a shot at the white house. now inside that white house is a guy, he just can't quit us. i've asked him to. i said, donald, for the sake of america, for the sake of america, for the sake of your mental health please stop watching "morning joe." he's watching again this morning. tweeting about us, insulting mika and her mental health. >> he's psycho, joe. >> insulting my mental illness. every time you insult our ratings, we don't do this for the ratings, i don't really care. i don't. >> we just love what we do. >> we love what we do. you throw me the pitch, i do my best to hit it. i don't care what my ratings

are, but thank you, though, because the "morning joe" team works so hard, and this pandemic it's been so hard for our entire team to continue putting together -- think about this, a three-hour show every morning. they're working through the night, scattered all over the tri-state area. and they're just doing a hell of a job. and because of that, because of their hard work, we've -- our ratings, donald, have been better than ever this year and we want to thank you. we really want to thank you for drawing attention to the ratings. and, of course, we know you're lying about them, but that's okay. that's what you do. but i will ask you again, for -- how many times have i asked him of him, mika? please, please stop watching our show. okay. you got to stop because we gave you a lot of good advise back in march, you didn't follow any of

it. >> none. zero. >> you didn't listen to your doctors, you didn't listen to your scientists, you didn't lay this out for people, and, of course, six months later you're losing in the polls. you should have listened, but donald, please turn to "fox & friends," and keep it there. >> before he goes, joe, can i ask him a question? >> it'll be better for you. it'll be better for your staff. >> they're trying. >> your staff, they don't like you watching our show. and they're like, why are you drawing more attention to them, donald. >> yeah. >> mr. president, stop talking about them. i agree. the obsession, it's been really unhealthy for a long time. i'd ask you to seek help but i know you're not going to do that. so we beg of you, inside the

white house, right now donald, we're looking at you, please, come -- i've seen -- come on, man, stop watching "morning joe." >> so before you go, though, can i just say? you called me ditzy. what's your thing with women? you have a lot of problem with women. you're scared of them or something. i think the kamala thing has you freaked out. but i've noticed it's all over the place. you get really like stressed out by women. you have to say things that are sort of triggering about women that are like back from the 1950s. you're calling us housewives when you talk about voters. every time caitlyn collins from cnn or paula reid from cbs every time they ask you a question you scurry off the stage. you run off the stage like a

little baby. like paula reid, i can't take it. or caitlyn collins asks you an innocent question about how bad you botched the pandemic and you scurry off the stage like a little baby. and i wonder what ditzy means because if i'm ditzy you're disastro disastrous. this has been a disaster, 160,000 people are dead, donald trump. stop tweeting about "morning joe" and morning mika and do your damn job! try once to think about getting some testing to the american people. try once to listen to your scientists. try once to be a man that actually wants to be a man who wants to lead the country and not a man who's scared of women and calls them name and scurries off the stage, pathetic. you should get off the stage and

deal with your problem with women. >> we're a cable news show. we are cable news hosts. like in the -- >> it's needy, donald. really needy. >> in the chain of things, maybe an amoeba -- i don't know i wasn't good in science. we're amoebas, we're small. when 167,000 americans are dead you shouldn't worry about us. when north korea is talking about rapidly expanding their nuclear program, their missile delivery program, you shouldn't be worried about us. when our closest allies know they can no longer depend on us. when germany sees you retreating and basically sacrificing all of the things -- all of the things that ronald reagan fought his entire life for, worrying about

cable news hosts doesn't make a lot of sense. let's bring in, though, somebody who does make a lot of sense. somebody who we don't want to quit "morning joe," that is the president, the council of foreign relations and author of the book "the world, a brief introduction" richard haass. he has a new piece out in the latest issue of foreign affairs entitled "present at the disruption how trump unmade foreign policy". i love the title. it's a play on dean at chinson. an extraordinary diplomat. he had no problem with his ego and so he wrote a book called "present at the creation". and talk about how what harry truman, dean atchinson, george

marshall, republicans in the senate that used to be isolat n isolationis isolationists, talk about the world they created in 1947, how nine presidents continued that policy and saw the soviet union collapse and people in eastern and central europe freed and how donald trump has desperately been working to undo what russia and the soviets and vladimir putin have wanted undone since 1947. >> joe, beginning with harry truman and every president, republican and democrat through obama, understood that this world served american interests. we won the cold war, it stayed peaceful. we won it on terms even optimists had trouble dreaming about. the american economy grew 90 fold from the end of world war ii until just recently.

the average american lives ten years longer than 70 years ago. democracy became the dominant form of government around the world. so this has been an extraordinary, unprecedented, unparalleled run of history for the united states. and yes, we've been investing in the world but the return on investment has been extraordinary. yes, we've made mistakes yes, we have problems here at home. but again, i defy anyone to come up with a better period of history for any major power than we have enjoyed over the last 75 years. donald trump, simply not seeing it this way. the other day people were talking about how we got wrong the pandemic, how he got wrong which world war it was, but to me it's a serious thing. it shows the danger in having a president who doesn't have a fundamental appreciation or understanding of history. what that has done, it has led

him to dismantle so much of what he has inherited, our alliances, global institutions, without understanding the value, the benefits that have accrued to the united states. so being historically uninformed turns out to be extraordinarily costly and as is the case with health care, he's dismantled things but hasn't put anything in its place so we have an unpredictable, unreliable, unilateral america, different to our allies, often friendlier with our foes and it's not surprising the world is deteriorating fast. as we've seen firsthand both the president and jared kushner are ignorant of history. they have no understanding of history and they have no sb interest in understanding history. they believe history began on january 20th, 2017. and the consequences have been

devastating i think back to that meeting where general mattis tried to tell the president about the very things you're talking about right now, this is the post world war, and this is what's happened since 1945, explaining the institutions and the president became enraged because it didn't line up with his wrong headed view of history and his ignorant view of history. eddie glaude is with us and he has a question for you, richard. eddie? >> richard, in some ways this is not surprising. remember steve bannon gave us those buckets and one aspect of those buckets involved a certain understanding of u.s. nationalism, economic sovereignty and the like. talk to us a little bit about this ideology that is the dismantling of the post world war ii consensus? what are his parameters, contents? in other words it's not just trump's lack of a better word

stupidity and ignorance, it seems to be an ideological position combined with his ignorance that has led to the dismantling of the postworld war ii consensus. talk about what that is and entails? >> one is the alliances cost us more than the benefit. we get taken advantage of. the other is the institution limits our options and what you want to do is preserve the option to do whatever it is we want at any time. there is this view of sovereignty as something that can't in any way be compromised. but none of this makes sense in a world where allies our single biggest advantage -- we wake up every day as americans with dozens of countries well disposed to working with us in europe and asia, the two most strategic theatres in the world. why would we push that away? why in a global aid would the

united states not want to work with others to meet these challenges like, for example, infectious health threats that we can't obviously deal with alo alone. to this view of a sovereign america ignores the greatest allies and the reality that in a global era we cannot survive on our own. the oceans around us, the last time i checked, they're not motes. and that idea seems to escape mr. bannon and his ilk. >> really it would -- our allies across europe and the world would find it rich that people of the united states are complaining about these institutions that we built, that we put in place, that harry truman especially in '47 through '49, george marshall and atchinson and others put in

place. and in effect assured us not only of the ultimate fall of the soviet union but also of a thriving american century. we have these institutions have allowed the united states to grow economically more than any country by far. in multitudes. and for some reason, donald trump is doing the bidding of vladimir putin, he did it in the middle east when he retreated from our allies who were trying to push back on russian influence there. he's retreating from germany, our closest aly during the cold war. west germany certainly was. he's retreating all across the world and in every instance where he retreats, who succeeds? well, vladimir putin and russia. >> yes.

>> they're the ones that are the big winners. richard, quickly, we got to go. >> yeah we're past the time. >> but talk about what's happening. some more unrest in eastern europe. another election that looks like it's a scam. we've seen it in hungary. we've seen it in poland. now we're seeing it inminsk talk about it. >> we thought we were past that and then suddenly you have massive voter fraud, political opponents being locked up, being beaten. this is something that we thought we've gone beyond. what i think the reminder here is history is not linear. this is a reminder that the evil forces that have made so much of this a dark experience have not gone away.

they've been in remission but now they are coming out. whether it's because of the populist age, the united states is no longer a certain trumpet. we've become an uncertain trumpet. we're muted not setting an example. but authoritarians around the world are feeling this is their moment, they're taking advantage of it and that's what we're seeing in belarus. >> thank you very much, richard. eddie glaude still with us and john heileman, tiffany cross and political reporter for "the washington post," robert costa. we kick off the hour with this. >> when i agreed to serve as president obama's running mate, he asked me a number of questions as i've asked kamala. the most important was he said to me, what -- he asked me what i wanted most importantly. i told him i wanted to be the last person in the room before

he made important decisions. that's what i asked kamala. i asked kamala to be the last voice in the room. to always tell me the truth, which she will. challenge my assumptions if she disagrees. ask the hard questions. because that's the way we make the best decisions for the american people. >> that's joe biden. a guy who is saying he wants other people to tell him the truth. donald trump, of course, told us, on this show i think in 2015, that he doesn't ask other people. that he relies on himself. and we've seen what the consequences of that are. that was joe biden. we showed you some of kamala. here is donald trump from yesterday. >> they're willing to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they're doing. and now they're going to do.

they want to expand it and they will expand it. for any reason they're going to, in my opinion, destroy suburbia. so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in sue sub ya are minors, african-american, asian-american, hispanic. but 30% plus are minorities living in sue buburbia when the in and want to change zonings, build low income housing. you want something that people can aspire to be there, not something that people get hurt badly. with suburban women, men, i think they feel very strongly about what i'm doing. >> john heileman, the last time i heard suburbia used so much was in 1977.

♪ way on the other side >> funny. >> what decade is this guy from? what generation is this the suburban housewife will be voting for me. they want safety and are thrilled that i ended the -- i can't even finish it! i can't even finish it! let me ask you because you are the originator of the phrase confession or projection. you are right. donald trump, it's when he says things it's usually confession or projection. but yesterday he was particularly unglued. this morning he was tweeting about his favorite cable news show. this is speculation. but it's not too hard to speculate. what do you think it is that set donald trump off so much yesterday and still has him set off this morning. >> a woman. >> first of all, good morning, guys.

second of all, l.o.l. the suburbia thing, i was laughing, we had not conferred on this previously, it's such a '50s thing. we talk about the burbs. like suburbia is such an out of time thing to say it points to the fact trump is still this 1950s guy and his head is stuck there every way how he sees the country, understands the country. i don't think he's ever been to a suburb so it would be hard to have a grasp on it and now it's a hinge point for his politics. what scared him? it folds nicely into where we were in terms of political analysis. i was down in wilmington, as you

know, for when the pick came and through the event yesterday. i think the thing freaking him out, mika points to a woman, i think there's something certainly to that, but more politically speaking, he just watched the biden campaign execute a perfect, perfect vice presidential rollout in very difficult circumstances in this age of covid. if you think about the metrics by which we judge in politics, a vp rollout, they controlled the timing, didn't have a leak that came out, got out ahad had ead . all the electronic means they used on tuesday to get the word out, 24 hours later you had a unified democratic party. no faction of the party taking pot shots at the pick. not just unified by enthused, donors writing checks. small donors on the web giving

the campaign its biggest fund-raising campaign in history. everything you could want on the democratic side and rave reviews from the press. a candidate who cleared the bar ready to be commander in chief. no one questioning their qualify indicati -- qualifications. and on the republican side, total disarray in terms of what the message is supposed to be. >> total disarray. >> and then you had the event yesterday, no clear within concise message, no negative frame to go after her. even though she was the front runner for months. this was the woman to prepare. they had months to prepare for her and then when she got picked they had nothing to say about kamala harris. nothing consistent, nothing damaging, negative. and then you had the event yesterday which was not the kind -- of course in the age of covid was not the dream in terms of production, was not the big, splashy thing we've come to

expect, but was not possible in the age of covid. but in terms of the two of them getting out on stage and laying out the argument they're going to prosecute now from today until election day, the dramatics of it, the prongs of it, every element of it, it was a letter perfect rollout. i think if you're donald trump, of course, that has to be freaking you out because you already know you're losing. and the biggest thing where you thought well, joe biden might screw this up if you're donald trump was this. and instead, it's been a -- it was a perfect, by the biden campaign standards, a perfect 36 hour roll out. if i'm donald trump i'm looking and going where is joe biden going to make a mistake now? where do i make up the ground? i think he's totally flipping out because he knows he's going to lose. >> it reminds me, one of the most famous lines in "saturday night live" political satire was

in 1988 when dana carvey was playing george h.w. bush, i apologize i forget who was playing michael dukakis. >> john roberts. >> wow, that's good. >> that's right. and john heileman, you know, as dana carvey was stam erring and staggering around and couldn't complete the sentence and syntax was mangled, john roberts just looked at the camera and said, i can't believe i'm losing to this guy. and you talked to people inside the white house, bob costa, and that's what they say. that donald trump is enraged that he cannot believe he is losing as badly as he is to joe biden. and perhaps it's starting to sink in. >> it's certainly alarming republicans across the board because now you have a democratic party that's heading into its convention week.

senator bernie sanders and aoc representative, alexandria ocasio-cortez, prepared to speak. you have senator harris now on the ticket. and this is now a republican party that's looking at a senate majority that's entirely at risk, a house majority that's out of reach and a republican president who is down in the polls while the stock market is up, he is facing disapproval numbers across the board that are very negative yet no one knows what to do in the gop when i call around source-to-source because they know the president is going to go back to the base. what to watch now is the jared kushner white house. >> can i ask you something bob quickly and then finish that thought. talk about the mail-in voting because yesterday the president suggested and the president is completely isolated on this as it was reported last hour, even the president's negotiators want to give the united states post office enough money to be able to operate effectively and the president saying he's not going

to do this. but the president has been attacking mail-in voting. yesterday it was extraordinarily extreme where he said that iran, russia, and china would run more effective elections than the democrats with this mail-in voting. so you've had republican senators begging him to stop this because, as i've explained a thousand times, republicans do really well in mail-in voting. you've had governors begging him to stop this. you've had conservative candidates begging him to stop this, as you know "the wall street journal" editorial page a week ago said mr. president stop making excuses for losing, stop talking about a rigged election, if you don't want to run, if you don't think you can win, quit. and yet the president alone continues to hammer mail-in voting and funding the post and even suggests that russia, iran,

and china will run freer, better elections than the united states if the post office gets more money. >> in short, joe, the president doesn't care about those concerns. talking to his confidants inside the white house, inside the republican party, it's evident the president is looking ahead to november and he sees a possible defeat on the horizon, and he's already starting to build the argument that the election in some way was illegitimate, this is not an approach shared across the gop. they echo him in some quarters, but when i asked for the motive of this, it's not necessarily to destroy the institution of the post office, though that could be collateral damage in the process. the motive i'm told is deeply personal. this is a president who is unsure about whether he's going to be able to pull out a victory at this point. so if he's not going to get

that, then the whole system in his eyes must be cast as corrupt. he's laying the ground work for the system to be seen by his own supporters as corrupt. at the end of the day, long-time trump friends and allies say this is someone who cares about the trump brand beyond 2020 as a brand seen as a winner more than anything else. >> yeah. you know, in the middle of a pandemic, when 167,000 people have died and experts are predicting more deaths in the weeks to come as schools are opened and they expect another surge in september and certain states are breaking records in deaths, this would be the time when something like the post office is needed as a service to american people. to mail medicines and also to be able to conduct elections safely.

here's the president talking again about mail-in balloting. >> chuck schumer and nancy pelosi are holding the american people hostage over money for the radical left wing agenda. that the country doesn't want and won't accept. for example, they asked for a ridiculous $3.5 billion, that's billion, $3.5 billion for universal mail-in voting. so, therefore, they don't have the money to do the universal mail-in voting. so therefore, they can't do it, i guess, right? are they going to do it even though they don't have the money? they're asking for the 3.5 billion. they're asking for 25 billion for the post office so they can do this, i guess, and other things. they don't have it. they don't have the money to do the universal mail-in votes. it'll be the greatest rigged election in history.

it'll be the greatest fraud ever perpetra perpetrated. >> republicans, i have warned you. >> come on, guys. >> i was one of you. >> girls. >> then you stopped being conservative so i left your party. because it became the party of donald trump. but republicans, i just, again, sometimes you really -- you need to just stop and think about what -- what -- how far this crazy train has gone off the map. off of uncharted territory. think about what you just heard there. i'm talking to you all -- i'm talking to my friends that i served with in the house, in the senate. the president of the united states just called the funding of the united states post office a radical left wing -- let me say it again.

the president just called the institution that has allowed people to connect to each other throughout our entire lifetimes, and allowed your children to send cards and my children to send cards to santa claus, that have allowed you to stay in touch with your parents, with your loved ones and when your kids go off to college, to send packages. >> letters to members of the military from loved ones. >> packages to our men and women serving bravely across the globe. >> separated for months. >> and something that i saw firsthand when i was in congress, the importance of those military men and women being able to mail their ballots back to the united states so those votes could be counted, that's been a part of the fabric of who we are as a nation.

that has been one of the most important parts of our infrastructure through the years and now, because this former reality tv host, who was a democrat who gave money to kamala harris several times, hillary clinton eight times, chuck schumer, i think he threw a fund-raiser for chuck schumer. this guy decided to take over your party and you're letting him. now he's trashing the united states post office and calling it -- the funding of it, the saving of it, that his own negotiators agree with, that you agree with, he's now saying that that's part of a radical left

wing agenda because, as "the wall street journal" said, and as you know, we all know, the president thinks he's going to lose. and so, he's doing everything he can to undermine the election. he's doing everything he can to undermine your faith and everybody's faith in american democracy. i get tired of asking, and you won't understand this probably until after he's gone and you're in the minority for a generation, but i'm actually doing this for your own good and for the good of our country because you think we need two strong political parties. i don't want left wingers and the people who are running -- working right now and letting portland dissolve into a mess, i

don't want left wingers running this country, right. but what reasonable, rational people in charge again, you have got to speak out. there's nothing radical and left wing about funding the united states post office and there's certainly -- and you know this, there's nothing radical or rigged about making sure that your mom and dad or your grandmother and your grandfather, or your child who has an underlying medical condition, can vote this fall. can participate in democracy this fall. by mailing in their ballot instead of going into a room with little ventilation -- mika, this is just not hard. >> it's not hard. tiffany cross, how can we say it

louder? how do we get republicans to hear this is a cry for help for our country, not partisanship? this is basic. >> mika, first i would say with respect i don't think we can conflate what's happening in portland with left wingers we have to be careful with language, that's part of the challenge that got us here. i understand people feel the republican party has gone off the rails but many of us feel the party has been off the rails. american is seeing what we saw in 2016, during the first bush era, what we saw clearly during the early parts of last century when this party began to adopt racist policies and rhetoric as well. i wanted to go back to what joe and john were saying at the beginning about donald trump pulling these antiquated notions on this throwback thursday, and quite frankly he is. he thinks he's john draper and he's on the wrong side of

history as he tries to navigate what some people might call a revolution but i call it an evolution. an evolution happens and you need to get on board or get out the way. this is an evolution. as we see the first black woman become a vice president it represents the future of politics and where we are. white men represent 30% of the population but 62% of the people who hold offices at the state, local and federal level. that's what he means when he says white suburban women, people of color are coming for you. this fear of being a minority and what people deem their country, not ours. >> i'm not conflating portland with anything because i don't think you can conflate portland with anything. leadership in portland and the state of oregon is about as bad and provides a good guide book

how to keep chaos going in the streets for months. and you have the head of the naacp out in portland talking about how these protests have gotten away from -- >> for sure. >> -- so i'm not conflating portland with anything. i think portland is a basket case all unto itself. and i do want to also ask you, you talked about george w. bush. and i was, of course, very critical of george w. bush for a good bit of his presidency and got attacked by the same right wingers that were attacking me now. but do you think things were as bad under george w. bush as they are under donald trump? >> absolutely. i think america is experiencing what black america has felt for a long time, joe. look at what his response was, look we -- this is the dawn of the crack epidemic and it was we need more jails, start locking

people up, the budget for the war on drugs, the failed war on drugs increased over 100% when he was in office. so the generations of people needlessly ensnared in an unforgiving criminal justice system, yes things were bad then. that's why it's so frustrating now to have people saying what are you kidding, we can't have a racist president in policy? but the racist policies did not star start with donald trump, the ramblings did not start with donald trump. it took everyone a while to come along but welcome to how people felt for a long time. now how do we unseat someone that perpetuates long time racial policies. >> george w. bush this is the first time -- >> i'm sorry, george h.w.. i'm sorry. the war on drugs was george h.w.

bush, not george w. -- the first bush administration. >> i could go on and defend george h.w. bush for the next 30 minutes as well, but george w. bush, i want to say quickly, and i'm just going to use this excuse to say something nice about george w. bush because his people think i'm always too negative. george w. bush, if you don't know about it, look it up. yes, he screwed up in iraq horribly and took the country along in a tragic war, 4,500 americans killed in a war that never should have happened and hurt u.s. foreign policy. i don't think enough americans know, two things can be true at the same time, by the way. he did that and he had

revolutionary leadership for aids in africa, which studies have suggested, if you look at the numbers, saved 13 million lives in africa. so there's my excuse to say something nice about george w. bush. and tiffany cross, thank you. please come back because you gave me a chance to say something nice about somebody i have wanted to say something nice about for a long time. >> we'll catch you guest hosting a.m. joy this weekend. >> congratulations. >> thank you, guys. >> how exciting. and bob costa, what are you working on this week? >> just to finish your point there. when the history of the republican party is written it's not just a reckoning over donald trump's presidency but george w. bush, the decision on iraq, handling of the economic crisis and then the trump presidency because it's a product in many

ways, based on my conversations with republicans and democrats, of what happened during the george w. bush and obama presidency. this is a bigger story. we'll cover it in 2021 if president trump loses, the future of the gop and a lot of attention of what went wrong in the view of some republicans but it's a broader, longer story. >> by the way, i just want to say, too, mika, i think it's important -- >> real quick. >> to see -- real quick, okay. when i was in congress -- so it's interesting how we react as a counted to crime. you look at george h.w. bush and a lot of people have be critical of george h.w. bush and politicians from '84, '89, because of the policies put in

place that people thought were too harsh. tough sentencing, mandatory minimums. to understand that time you also have to understand that we were in the middle of a crack epidemic. we were in the middle of a crime wave. whether you looked at new york city or other major cities, you had politicians, including liberal politicians, responding to what they saw at the time, while a lot of politicians supported the crime bill. i didn't support the crime bill when i was running. i ran against the crime bill but certainly you can understand why some politicians, democratic and republican, liberal and conservative, supported the crime bill. what you have seen with a lot of criminal justice reform over the past several years, you've seen that happening why? because crime is at a 50-year low. and there are a lot of people who believe, like our friend mark holden, and people on the left and right believed that now

is the time to take a chance on criminal justice reform. that would not have happened in the middle of a crime wave. and so, you look at how we respond, whether passing tougher measures or whether we decide to try to reform the system. it's always so critical to look and see what's happening on the ground in the cities, because i'll tell you what, americans demand safety. they want their neighborhoods to be safe. that's why a lot of black liberal politicians in new york city were in the times yesterday complaining about white progressive woke people that were trying to take cops off of their streets, trying to take cops on out of classrooms, using their words not mine, so we have to keep that in mind. americans want to be safe first. >> robert costa, thank you as well. and still ahead on "morning joe" we'll talk to the house speaker,

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joining us now, msnbc contributor mike barnicle and u.s. national editor at the financial times, ed luce, his latest piece for the financial times is entitled "inside joe biden's race of a lifetime". and ed, i think it's a race of a lifetime for a lot of americans who feel this country is headed in the wrong direction. tell us about your piece. >> well, race of a lifetime in the sense there's been no serious figure in american

times -- we remember, of course, the 1997 joe biden campaign, that ill fated one, now it's 2020, that's a 33 year span, written off so many times, 2008, of course, he got struck by lightning in the form of barack obama. 2016, thought he couldn't run, partly because hillary had it lock up and the tragedy of beau bidens death. so here we are, i think the last time i saw joe biden was on your show, in fact, in manchester, new hampshire behind the scenes on your show in february where you just interviewed him and he was going to widely be expected to come fourth or fifth the next day, which he had. he'd come fourth the previous week in iowa. and now here we are with biden i think odds are about 2 to 1,

according to the betting groups to become president. i've spoken to so many people in biden's life and his campaign, from his family, is a story of extraordinary shakespearean odyssey if you like. sometimes comic, that really has no parallel in modern american political history. there was a guy called sasson, a republican who ran many times that you might recall. but a serious figure who has tried this long and this persistently as joe biden. >> as you say in the article, 1987 was a disaster for him. with neil also him talking about scholarships from syracuse, 2008 he pulled like 0.9% in iowa.

and you are right, in new hampshire when he came on the show everybody was saying that the campaign was like a wake and it looked like joe biden was going to lose, and who would have guessed, i'm going to say nobody but who could have guessed what would happen in south carolina, ed, followed by the deep south. and you got to give biden credit. he kept saying, black voters, black women, who are the backbone of this party, haven't even had their say yet. give them their say. and then i'll figure out what to do. and sure enough, when black voters finally had their say, they got behind joe biden and made all the difference in the world for him. >> they did. and, of course, jim clyburn's endorsement was critical.

i see the biden that dramatic turn around as more a sort of tempering factor to our own journalism and particularly to how addicted we are to twitter. because twitter had it a woke party, a left, a highly progressive party and the irony, you know, that it's the non-white voters. it's black voters who deliver him the nomination. is i think something that should give us some humility in our profession as to how we think we're reading trends. and the campaign does say that, you know, they don't -- they don't obsess over twitter. and biden himself doesn't actually physically send tweets. i think he approves the ones they send. i don't know that he's sent a tweet himself. so that to me is one of the lessons is we should have some

humility in thinking we know what's going on. >> ed, in light of that, there was a claim made by jonathan lemire last hour that i found really interesting. and that is as we've been looking at this poll data, it seems thattan given the last you few months in the trump presidency that biden should be trouncing donald trump at this point but it's closer than we think in some of the battleground states. what do you make of that, data, and how do you think the biden campaign, even with this flawless rollout with the nomination of kamala harris, how do you think they're responding to four points, five points difference? how do you think they are responding to that at this moment? >> i think for the most part, at least until he selected kamala harris, he's been playing it as wisely as he can, which is to not interrupt the enemy while they're making a mistake.

allow this to be a referendum on donald trump. and try and keep out of the way. if you remember in the 2012 campaign, the obama re-election, biden was actually quarantined. that was actually a term used by some in the media because he was seen as too gaffe prone for safety. we have a real quarantine now and i think that works to biden's advantage. give trump enough rope to hang himself. of course, this race is going to tighten and there are some signs, as jonathan was pointing out, that it is tightening. i guess yesterday's launch, which was pretty much from kamala harris, pitch perfect, is the way they should be managing this campaign. keep the message simple, don't go on for too long. allow trump to make mistakes and bear in mind that unlike 2016, there isn't a jill stein there,

a third party candidacy, no fbi investigation or jim comey, so things should continue to go his way if he allows donald trump to continue to make mistakes. >> john heileman we were in new hampshire, iowa, talk about this turn around, ed was talking about an odyssey, this may be a strange time reflecting on the democratic primary, but i must say, other than harry truman's comeback in the 1948 campaign, it was -- this was one of the most shocking turn arounds in modern american history. >> yeah. i mean, look, democratic primary politics it's the most shocking. when he left new hampshire on the morning of the primary, left early, wasn't in new hampshire that night because they knew how bad it was going to be, finished fifth, he flew down to south

carolina, i flew down with him, it was like, you know, i don't think the campaign, there was not the degree of confidence inside the biden campaign their firewall was going to hold in south carolina, that was unprecedented, the notion of finishing fourth in iowa, fifth in new hampshire, you have the fact osthe ground were likely to change, and they were hopeful that african-american voters in south carolina -- it's helpful to remember that biden led in every pole in south carolina from february 2019 until the day of the primaries. clyburn helped him but he never trailed in south carolina. so they had reason to be confident in about black voters in south carolina. but having been trounced in those early contests they knew less about history, no one had recovered from anything like that. the nine days between south carolina on that saturday through super tuesday a few days later, the way in which, to ed's

point the way in which the party looked up at the prospect of bernie sanders, who was on this roll, looked at the prospect of bernie sanders being the nominee and the big, moderate main stream of the democratic party and the establishment, all the endorsements coming in once biden won south carolina that period of nine days from when biden looked dead to being the nominee, it really is unprecedented and says a lot of things about a number of things we're talking about. the support he had from african-american voters for sure, but also about the fact that the party did have a moment where it said that it was either going to be someone else or bernie sanders, and it had a second thought about bernie sanders, who was on that roll and joe biden was the strongest establishment candidate at that point and he was able to put it together. and that is still, i think, you know, the bet that the party has made which is that joe biden may not be the perfect candidate but he may be the best party in the

candidate in that field to go against this particular president. >> ed luce, thank you so much for being on. we'll be reading your piece in the financial times. and today, the national urban league is releasing its annual report on the state of black america. this year's report unmasked explores the various ways the coronavirus pandemic has exposed the face of racism in america, particularly in our economy, our health care, and our justice systems. joining us now, president and ceo of the national urban league mark more yell. great to have you on the show. >> great to be here. >> mike barnicle that has the first question. >> mark in your report, i assume, and appreciate your talking about this, that the roots of racism were planted in 1619 in this country and that plant has been watt erred forever, nearly every day in

this country, sadly, but that's the fact. in your report this year, right now, what role does lack of access to health care, to education, to critically good employment and critically potentially great future for minorities in this country, lack of access, what does that play a role in? >> black people this year as america caught the corona, black people have caught hell this year. and i think that "unmasked," which is the title, talks about how this year has exposed these great difficulties, these great challenges. the lack of access in the health care system, which leads to a situation where black people are three times as likely to have the coronavirus, twice as likely to die, black people, when it comes to the economy and the result of the response to corona are more likely to be unemployed, more likely to be in

essential jobs that cannot work from home and, therefore, are much more at risk. and when it comes to the racial justice system, george floyd and the eruption of george floyd and the response by the country, the protests in the street, were a build up of many, many years and we have to remember that right before george floyd you had ahmaud arbery, breonna taylor, people were already on edge about the continuing pandemic of black men and women being killed -- unarmed black men and women being killed by the police. i think 2020 is a cross roads year for the nation. it brings together maybe 1968, 1929, and 1919, a health pandemic in 1919 with the spanish flu, the collapse of the economy in '29, the awakening of racial injustice in 1968.

2020 represents that. it's a cross roads year. what is striking is how much the conditions have deteriorated just since january 1st of this year when we began to put this report together. covid, george floyd were not on the radar screen. but the underlying issues that the statistics point to, they were there, and they've been there. so maybe this is a year of awakening, a fact that people may recognize these problems are long standing and they must be corrected. >> there have been two americas, obviously as you say in racial justice there have been two americans in health care. all somebody has to do is go to the emergency room at 11:00 at night and see too many single black moms, too many single black dads, too many people struggling with their little children at 11:00 at night and using the emergency room as their primary care for their children, it is just -- it has been obscene and it's been

obvious for years but as you said, 2020 has brought it all into much sharper relief. let me ask you this, looking at everything that you laid out la how does it match up to donald trump's claim that black americans are doing better today than ever before? >> well, let's look at that because i think it's important to look at it. so the trump administration is the least diverse administration maybe in 40 years in terms of its cabinet, its senior levels, literally very few african-americans who work for president trump. his judicial appointees are as prodominantly white men as any group of appointees by any president maybe in 40 to 50 years. that's number two. number three, his policies, the -- to enforce civil rights laws, je sessions, bill barr saying i am not going to enforce civil rights laws when it comes

to policing, i just refuse to do it, any success on the economic front is really the obama economy continuing. the obama economy and the obama expansion continued into '17, '18 and '19 and the only policy that the president put on the table was a tax cut for the wealthiest americans. that didn't really benefit working class black men and black women. and then the rhetoric, the coarse rhetoric, the rhetoric of racism, it's painful to me as a son of south. it's painful to me as one who knew david duke and watched his career, who knew the great -- watched the great period in the 1960s and the segregationists rhetoric of politicians, to see that in effect reincarnated in donald trump in the presidency of the united states, and it's

not what my children -- it's not what we want to teach our children. the president trump has misrepresented what he's brought to america. right now what we need is a commitment in 2020 to put a plan together to address all the disparities we've outlined here. >> and, you know, eddie, the name david duke came up. it's important to remember it was david duke who praised donald trump after charlottesville. it was david duke who said this is why we all voted for donald trump and we're going to do everything we can to fulfill donald trump's agendas. it was also david duke who

attacked donald trump, it was that same david duke that donald trump claimed to not know, just like he claimed to not know about white supremacy in the united states just like he refused to criticize the ku klux klan on a sunday show before super tuesday in the south. >> yeah, joe, we know that white supremacy has been a fuel for donald trump's political rise for a long time. we understand that he exploits white grievance, white fear, white resentment. one of the things we might do is exceptionalize donald trump in the sense that he is singular in how he has exploited these racist sentiments. we know it was a long political history. but i'm going to ask president moreale for a second, we know stupid plus power is killing people. and it's killing us as 2 1/2 times the rate. and you've laid out what has happened in the context of

covid-19 and black american and the context of this economic depression. do you think that we should be demanding targeted policies on the part of -- not demanding, but seeking, wanting to see in detail targeted policies on the part of the biden campaign to address exactly what you've laid out in this particular report? >> there is no question, eddie. i've been on record since the beginning of the obama stimulus in favor of tashrgeted policies enumerated policies and race conscious policies. without that, these problems are going to persist. we've got to recognize that the policies of the past have not worked and it's time to do something different. let's focus, let's target, and i think that is exactly what the doctor orders. and those are the kind of policies i'll be working for and i'll be fighting for.

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so when you sit at home and you're looking at a computer, your brain starts to wither away. 99.9% of all fatalities are adults. as we race towards the competition, we're competing. your brain starts to wither

away. we have a lot of good experience at that just by taking a look at what is happening in politics. >> boy, i'll tell you what, mika, he really needs to get out of the basement. >> is he okay? >> i guess they rushed him down into the bunker more than he expected. because that was one of these things where he's either projection or confession. it looks like confession there. it's a -- do you remember those books about the kids that lived in the attic? i guess we have a president that lives in the basement and that is a cry for help. maybe he was blinking his eye. >> i think he had a very bad day yesterday and we'll talk about that. >> let me ask you this. >> go ahead, ask me. >> i can always tell. >> okay. >> watch his press conferences in realtime. right. but i do. >> you turn on all the tvs in the house and you connect it to sons and you turn it up to 11. >> i do not.

>> and i either flee, hike turn on the headphones, or -- >> you can't stick your head in the sand. >> or i make you turn off all the televisions. >> yes. >> yesterday, we outvoted you on the island and you had to turn off all the televisions, but all the texts came in. and it's got the rhythm of this thing where the texts keep flooding in and you're like, oh, man. so he knew that he went off so we went back and we looked at the highlights of it. and he was really unmoored yesterday, deeply disturbed. you can always tell when something happens that really upsets him. what did you think that was? bless you, sweetie. kamala harris' speech, the

rollout of kamala, all the great press and all the sort of work that the biden campaign did to really make a case as to why joe biden and kamala harris could set this country back on track. it would take a while to pick up the pieces of this disaster that he has put in front of us. and then they honed in on the coronavirus. and she made it very clear that he botched it. my words, not hers, that he has lied his way through it and that has caused more deaths. we can argue that, but there's a school of thought that if you had uniform rules on masks, if you were not afraid to lead and actually nationalize testing so that you could get a handle on this thing, and contact trace and do everything that needed to be done -- >> you're saying there's other -- >> other countries would then not be doing as well as us. instead, it's the reverse.

and just one more thing, joe, and you can go back to just how much he was losing it yesterday. >> why was he so upset? >> he realizes he's not going to win the election. >> bingo. >> at least fairley. here is the point. the reason he doesn't want the testing, it's almost -- it's purposeful malpractice. he doesn't want the numbers. so he's allowing people to die because he's too afraid to show the real numbers in this country. i don't know when we're going to get to the point where republicans understand that. >> let's see who we have today. we work about 20 hours to get ready for this show. oh, jonathan lamere is with us. >> he's here. >> so the president was -- by the way, i guess you needed to take veratech's picture down. when a team is playing as bad as

the red sox, you don't want your children to see. >> he has it right there. >> oh, you still have it. okay. here is the thing, jonathan. the president, again, it's all relative, but the president was really spooled up yesterday and just kind of going a little crazy. and the part that stuck out to me was he basically said the democrats were going to run elections that were less fair than iran and russia and who else? the martians. who else did he put in there, iran, russia, china, whatever. china, yeah. and where in the world did that come from? because what he's doing in the "wall street journal" editorialized about this. he's basically putting a sign on his head that says i know i'm going to lose. and yesterday he seemed more

spooled up and more freaked out and making more excuses for a loss in an election that is, what, a couple months away still. well, joe, first of all, when a loved one passes away, you put their picture up to remember the good times. that's the jason varitek which is now in the corner. but there's nothing good about this year's red sox season whatsoever. as far as the -- nothing. li literally nothing. as far as the president, he suggested mail-in voting would lead to voter fraud and the results of the election would be ill legitimate. he got a lot of pushback from republicans privately saying you need to stop this because you're telegraphing that you're losing. setting aside even all of the big picture things about undermining confidence in the

ballot, threatening the democracy, a number of things that democrats have charged how dangerous that talk was, republicans are saying, also, hey, you're tipping your hand you know you're losing. knock it off. he hasn't done that, as we can see. yesterday he leaned into it harder than before, saying he thought the voting would be illegal, inappropriate, inaccurate, choose your word comparing it to these other countries. and you're right, a lot of this does stem, according to our reporting, in some ways a surprise. it seems like the trump campaign, although kamala harris was the favorite to be joe biden's campaign pick, they seem flat-footed in terms of their response. do they have time to turn it around? they do. they're still trying to pigeon hole her on one hand as this leftist. on the other hand, this cop who was too tough on joe biden.

they're seemingly trying to have it both ways. harris' record doesn't lend itself, much like joe biden's record doesn't lend itself to suggesting she is a member of the extreme part of the democratic party which is what they want to say. so the messaging has been haphazard. on a final point, as well as the president has said harris ways hit, quote, number one draft pick, that's who he wanted joe biden to pick, as recently as sunday night when he was flying back, he was telling confidents on the plane he wanted susan rice and karen bass. that's who he wanted. he didn't want kamala harris. >> and alicia menendez, it's fascinating that harris fills this spot. and she somehow synthesizes so many things at the same time. it was the most predictable pick. it was the safest pick. it was the pick that i was thinking, man, don't surprise

the press. pick her. at the same time, when you see that very predictable pick in the headlines, you're like, oh, wow. that was a revolutionary pick. even if she is a member of the political establishment. and it's the same thing where they're trying to paint her as a left winger, at the same time right wing websites are like selling t-shirt that's say kamala is a cop. it is like, no, you know, and then they were attacking her as major simpson yesterday. you know, of course, the woman that always cleaned up the buffoon's mess. so they can't figure out exactly how to attack her. >> perfect. >> and it fits right in with joe biden. they haven't been able to lay a glove on joe biden, either, despite the fact that they've spent hundreds of millions of

dollars trying to do so. >> they're still workshoping it, joe, and trying to figure it out. it's hard to tell whether or not they have not landed on it or whether or not they can land to the message discipline of actually sticking with it. in contrast, though, you watched them yesterday. abide sxn harris side by side and, wow, what a study in diversity within a ticket. the fact that you have two people from two different coasts, two different generations, two different genders, racism and ethnicities already presenting sort of this more complicated vision as a ticket than either one of them could alone. still ahead on "morning joe," while the trump campaign struggles with mixed messaging, kamala harris wasted no time yesterday carrying out an attack against the president. we'll show you that, "morning joe" will be right back. ou that joe" will be right back. ♪

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joe biden and kamala harris appeared together as running mates for the first time yesterday. while the trump campaign were scrambling for bad things to say about them, they held their event inside a delaware gym. it was a mostly made for tv event. biden introduced kamala harris as running mate and explained his selection while harris shared how she, quote, came to know joe. both candidates discussed the need to rebuild the country and stood unified against donald trump. and i think donald trump just heard the case that they had against him and especially his handling of the pandemic. >> and let me tell you, as somebody who has presented my fair share of arguments in

court, the capes against donald trump and mike pence is open and shut. when other countries were following the science, white other countries were flattening the curve, he said the virus would, poof, go away, quote, like a miracle. so other countries opened back up for business, what did we do? we had to shut down again. this virus has impacted almost every country. but there is a reason it has hit america worse than any other advanced nation. it's because of trump's failure to faye it seriously from the start. his refusal to get testing up and running, his flip-flopping

on social distancing and wearing masks, his delusional belief that he knows better than the experts, all of that is reason and the reason that an american dies of covid-19 every 80 seconds. it's why countless businesses have had to shut their doors for good. it's why there is complete chaos over when and how to reopen our schools. mothers and fathers are confused about child care and the safety of their kids at school, whether they will be in danger, if they fall behind, if they don't. trump inherited the longest economic expansion in history

from barack obama and joe biden. and like jeveryone else he inherited, he ran it straight into the ground. because of trump's failures of leadership, our economy has taken one of the biggest hits out of all the major industrialized nations with an unemployment rate that has tripled as of today. this is what happened when we elect a guy who just is not up for the job. >> i know you want to respond to kamala's remarks, so do that, but first, this is why he's freaking out. the case against him is massive. and i really want to focus on in on what he's doing at some point in the show to the post office and what he's trying to do to win this election in a different way or to drag it out. but whatever he's trying to do

which, of course, goes back to his own self-interests, whether it's money, hydroxychloroquine, russia, whatever he's going to try to do for his own self-interest, it will continue to destroy, to chip away at our democracy. if you care about our democracy, republicans, you would say no to at least one thing he's doing. we're not talking about right and left. we're talking about right and wrong, we're talking about patriotism, we're talking about loving this country. we're talking about respecting our laws of the constitution. and what he is doing to the post office needs to be looked at every single day 24/7. because he wants to make sure this election doesn't happen because he's clear he won't win it. i i say na knowing his personality very, very well. it helps at this moment to warn people as much as possible he

will do whatever it takes to try and win the wrong way because he sees very clearly that this team is going to kick his butt in november. >> we warned people in 2016 in august, you were talking about donald trump asking foreign policy experts thee times in four minutes about why can't we use nuclear weapons against iran and north korea and other countries. and, of course, all the warnings about putin. but this time some of the calls and concern are coming from inside the house. you have republicans who are now start to go speak out a little

bit. and when i keeps talking about how the election is going to be rigged and mail-in balloting is going to be rigged, even "the wall street journal" said if you don't think you can win the election, then quit and let somebody run who thinks that they can. i think the president was stun ed by kamala harris's line when she said you inherited the longest economic expansion in the history of america and like everything else you've inherited, you ran it into the ground.

and also, and i think, jake sherman, if we can just start calling you jake from state farm, i would like that, one of the great xhecommercials of our time. but, jake, when kamala harris says one american dies every 80 seconds, that's just one of those facts that break through against donald trump who started by saying that this was a media hoax, he was saying these are going to go away, has been repeating time and time again that it was much ado about nothing. he suggested early on that it was the flu. i still hear from some of his supporters that it's nothing more than a bad version of the flu. but when kamala says one out of -- one person dies every 80 seconds, well, that's just --

that is something else. if you're donald trump, you have to fear that all of his quotes and all of the hard facts from this coronavirus is going to be something that he can't get away from. >> it's not longer an abstraction when she says that. i think this hammers home that this -- i've had people in the administration say to me that masks could be harmful. behind the scenes privately they say this, that children are immune from this and there is data that we just don't know about that indicates it's far less deadly than we think and we've got it all wrong. and i want to get back to the

post office. here is a situation situation here. the president's administration agreed with democrats that the post office needed more money. this is not something his negotiators believe. his negotiators believed to $10 billion to bolster the post office in negotiations with nancy pelosi. so even within the white house there's a recognition that the president is wrong and i just find that jarring. when i heard that yesterday, that the president said he wanted no more money for the post office, i was taken aback because mark meadows and steven mnuchin believe there should be more money for the post office. >> we are in a pandemic. coming up, house speaker nancy pelosi joins the conversation next on "morning joe." losi joins the conversation next on "morning joe.

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they want $3.5 million for something that will turn out to be fraudulent that's election money, basically. they want $3.5 billion for the mail-in votes.

okay. universal mail-in ballots. they want $25 billion. billion for the post office. now, they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots. in the meantime, they aren't getting there. by the way, those are just two items. but if they don't get those two items, that means you can't have universal mail-in voting because they're not equipped to have it. >> that was president trump moments ago. still at it. knows he's going to lose. weighing in on the stalemate over the next economic stimulus deal. >> that despite the fact that his own negotiators are already there because the united states post office needs the money desperately. meanwhile on capitol hill, attempts to revive the stalled coronavirus relief talks yesterday yielded more finger

pointing than deal making. treasury secretary steve mnuchin reached out to house speaker nancy pelosi, but their conversation went nowhere. pelosi and chuck schumer released a statement reading in part democrats repeatedly compromised that we were willing to come down $1 trillion if they come up 1 trillion. however, it's clear the administration still does not grap the magnitude of the problem. ma mutualin hit back in a statement of his own claiming that, quote, it's not an accurate reflection of our conversation. pelosi made clear that she was unwilling to meet to continue negotiations unless we agreed in advance to her proposal of at least $2 trillion. the democrats have no interest in negotiating. joining us now, california democrat nancy pelosi. madam speaker, welcome back to the show. it's great to see you.

>> thank you. good morning. >> is there any scenario in which you all come to a deal and get something passed that does not include the post office getting shored up? >> well, good morning, mika. good to see you. let me just say this. it was so strange to hear the secretary's statement because he exactly quoted what happened in our meeting. come in with $2 million and we can negotiate how we spend that. it was weird. i think they're losing it in some respect. in the legislation, we have $25 billion. that is the number that is recommended by the board of governors of the u.s. postal service. a bipartisan board of governors. 100% appointed by donald trump. they recommended $25 billion. in earlier covid bills, the president has stood in the way of any money for the postal

service. if the president read the constitution, he would say the postal service is memorialized there and congress has a role in all of this. so, again, when they're talking about the post office, they're talking about the fact that in 2019, for example, 1.2 billion prescriptions, 1.2 billion prescriptions were delivered through the mail almost a hundred percent of the veteran's health administration prescriptions going through the mail. so they're hurting seniors. it's a health issue in 2019, even more so in the time of the pandemic. so when the president goes after the postal service, he's going after an all american highly approved by the public institution. as we would say before you were born, motherhood, apple pile, the postal service, an all-american institution.

i heard you earlier talk about what it means in terms of connecting family. we're talking here about how it delivers medicine and, again, at the time of a pandemic, how necessary it is for us to have the mail so that the people do not have to choose between their health and their vote. they can vote absentee. and by the way, the president's family was all out in california urging absentee ballot during the special election in the spring, so this is nonetheless yet again another, shall we say, contradiction. >> so you're telling us that donald trump's own appointed board of governors, the united states post office, is asking for $25 billion so you're actually just trying to deliver what the board of governors donald trump appointed is saying the united states post office needs, right? >> that's right. actually, they asked for more

they asked for another $25 billion for infrastructure logistics, trucks and all that, but we put that in our moving forward infrastructure bill which we hoped the president would support, but not in this bill. this is what is necessary now. again, this is a matter of negotiation about timing for how long and as you indicated there have been some -- i don't want to confirm anything, but there is a reason to believe that they were willing to go to $10 billion. but the president did exactly what he did in previous covid bills, stood in the way. but as we said, we are in a situation where this is -- the president makes this the oejt part of the discussion.

he says mail-in is bad, absentee is good. on can. call it absentee. but the money is not just for that. the money is for a healthy way to vote, whether it's absentee or if in personal with the correct spacing, the number of polling places, again, to accommodate the space that is need ed. so the money is not just about absentee ballots. question of the big stumbling blocks is they don't want to do what is necessary for state and local government. there is bipartisan support in the senate for that, but they have an opposition as mitch mcconnell said. let them go bankrupt. so that's what we're working back from. but if we're going to educate our children, we have to have the facts in terms of what is needed and they're rejecting the

expert recommendations of the american association of superintendents of schools. we have our own numbers. but they don't meet the needs of hurry childr our children. it's not just about our federal dollars in emergency which are essential, it's about state and local government which do over 90% of the educating of our children. so it's about the children. let me just say, i have five children of my own. i worry about everyone's children in america. i have advice for them when they want it or not. one of the things that is so terrible, in this epidemic, because we're saying we have to assault the virus, we have to defeat the virus, contain the virus, stop the spread, and that means we have to have testing, tracing, treatment, masks, all the rest of it.

and we especially have to look into the minority community, which is suffering an undue disproportionate impact of this virus. a hispanic child is eight times more likely to be hospitalized with the virus than other children. eight times. an africa american child is five times more likely to be hospitalized from the virus than other children. this is a challenge to our conscious. but, again, they refuse to face the gravity of the situation and listen to scientists and tell us what we need to do. and with this be scoot moulg that thu -- school money that they have, 62 of the largest school districts in the country have said that -- 62, that they're going 100% virtual. another dozen or so more say

hybrid, virtual, and hybrid, and a small percentage saying they will actually open up with physical presence. that is fine in the rate in the community justifies the opening. but you can't say if you're not opening, we're actually wholing mon withholding money from you. >> madam speaker, later this morning, it's expected that 1.1 million americans will file for the first time for unemployment benefits. apparently the federal benefits, that program is sitting dead on the table between you and your negotiations with the secretary of the treasury and the chief of

staff and the white house. my question to you is, during your discussions with mr. meadows and mr. mnuchin. is it ever raised the fact that millions of americans who have lost their jobs will take months and years to recover economically, some will never recover economically, some of the jobs that have been lost will never come back. do you talk about these things? >> we talk about the economy. let me just say, you have advanced knowledge of the number, that it will be over a million. that would be the 21st consecutive week where over 1 million americans have filed for unemployment benefits. this is a tragedy. we are talking compassionately about what it means to seniors to get their medicine, what it

means to children to safely go to school, what it means to families to be stayed from eviction and money in the pockets. but what it means to the economy. we don't have any shared values when it comes to compassionate about treatment. they're in the trickle down mode and we're in the bubble up mode. but if you just think in terms of the economy, the economy is strengthened by the physical soundness of state and local government. the economy is strengthened by a bigger infusion of federal dollars into putting money in the pockets of people. the char the chairman of the fed tells us repeatedly, pay now or pay later. we know that the fed is shoring

up the credit markets so the markets can soar. maybe that's a good idea, but why can't we spend trillions of dollars to shore up america's working families? yes, we had that discussion. and what is so heartbreaking is, you know, if we today said we yield to your position, it still wouldn't help those children, those families, and across the board meeting this needs of the american people. in fact, what they want to do in terms of state and local, will result in 4 million people being laid off. when we talk about what state and local government does, they aren't interested when we say and there will be more mean unemployed going on to the unemployment ranks. that perks their interest. all right. nancy pelosi, as always, thank you for being with us. we always appreciate it. and mika, the numbers we've come across, expecting over a million

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he's just awful. he's lying every day. same script, different day. president trump holding a new conference with new nothing to say. there is a growing fear that if trump were to lose the election in november, according to jerry conley of virginia along with two of the other top democrats in the house reform committee, carolyn maloney on tell business insider that they're worried that president donald trump, his staff and cabinet officials could withhold critical documents, delete emails, and refuse to cooperate with an incoming transition team if former president joe biden wins the white house in november. that is a good concern. the 1963 presidential transition act lays out the road map of the transfer of power from one

administration to the other and federal law makes it illegal to destroy certain government documents. joining us now, former senior advises for the house and oversight committee kurt bardella. he is a "morning joe" contributor. >> so i have thee things you can talk about this morning. we can talk about jenean purell of fox news saying that something is going to happen before the election to joe biden. so jenean piro predicting the death of joe biden on fox news. wonder if anybody at fox news cares in management. the daily beast reports thattan

yeah west in the middle of a pandemic is reporting jared kushner was supposed to take the lead on that instead with 165, 166,000 americans dead, from the coronavirus, that jared kushner is spending his time almost daily according to kanye west talking to the rapper. kanye and jared talking just about every day instead of jared kushner saying that he was going to take care of the pandemic. >> oh, joe, okay. well, number one, i don't know what jenean is talking about, but it sounds like she's aware of an impending threat against joe biden's hooif. if i was the secret service, i would be calling her in for an investigation and find ought what she knows.

it's pertinent information. the fact that someone on any news network would make light of anything happening to a presidential candidate's health and their life is despicable. it's disgusting. it is all the things that we've come to expect from fox news. ron desantis is a perfect illustration of the infection that is donald trump and how it's metastasized the entire republican party. and the things in my opinion are tantamount to child abuse. donald trump has put out there only old people get the coronavirus. that's not true. we've seen schools like the well known one in georgia that had that high school, they had to close. why? because students got coronavirus. this isn't rocket science. we have scientists.

we have health experts. we have epidemiologists. we have facts that tell us you put people together of any ages, of any demographics in a enclosed space and they'll get coronavirus. the fact that schools are opening with everything that we know about this, and it's tantamount to child abuse. and on your final thing, we are seeing, i think, just the complete detachment from reality right now. and this is why it's so important that we have the biden and harris conversation that we're having right now. what a refreshing thing it was yesterday to see a return to normalcy, a return to leadership. a return to sanity. it was a portrait of what we can expect hopefully over the next four years as we try to repair the devastating damage that donald trump and his incompetency have perpetrated on this country. >> mike barnicle, genie i jeanno

on fox news, a major cable network that is often the most watched cable channel in all of america, had jeannine pirro, somebody who hosts a show for fox news say, quote, i have a sense that something is going to happen before the election, and he's not even going to be on the ticket. so don't ask me if he's going to make the four years. this reminds me of donald trump's second amendment solutions that he talked about regarding hillary clinton. let's watch the sot and then mike, you tell me if you've seen anything like this. >> i have this feeling that joe biden isn't going to be on the ticket. i have a sense that something is going to happen before the election and he's not even going to be on the ticket. so don't even ask me if he's going to make the four years.

>> mike, is she predicting his death? is she predicting his assassination? >> what the heck is going on? >> a health failing? could fox news help us out and let us know what jeannine pirro is suggesting? >> mika, that's a very good question that mika just asked. what the heck is going on? how did we get here? who are these people? we had an hour ago when you and robert costa were talking, a very reflective conversation about the roots of how we got here. and it's been at least a 20-year-long march. and littered by the wayside are people who bought into this con that we are now living with, minute by minute, each and every day. we have incompetence in this administration. we have corruption in this administration. we have criminality in this administration. and we have these virtual clowns on television like jeannine

pirro making absurd predictions and pronouncements. and the sad fact is, there's an element of people in this country, some of them good people, who believe her, who listen to her, and that's where we are today. and that's why the principal function of the next administration, joe biden will win this election. joe biden and kamala harris will win this election. and the first obligation of the new administration is going to be restore -- restore the government of the united states to the people of the united states. >> the president of the united states also speaking of just outrageous statements that are really taking it to a new level because there's a desperation that he thinks he's going to lose. but the president of the united states saying that if congress gave money to the united states post office, which, by the way, as nancy pelosi said, president

trump's own board of governors on the united states postal board, are asking for $25 billion. but if the democrats get a down payment through this, he said that our elections would be more troublesome than elections in russia, iran and china. that the democrats would make our elections less reliable than elections in those totalitarian states. where does one even begin to talk about how unmoored that is in reality. >> you know, when donald trump is accusing someone or somebody of doing something, he's talking about himself. the only reason why there would be any resistance to funding a postal service that, by the way, as you pointed out, his own board of governors said they needed the money for. the only reason you do that is to subvert this election.

to try to sabotage this election. understand in these times because of the corona pandemic, our postal service right now, that's election central. that is where the majority of this country will likely cast their ballots this year and we need every resource imaginable devoted to ensuring that mail gets to where it's supposed to get to in a timely way. when people put in their ballots that they are received in the respective states by election day. 32 states in this country have rules that say, if they don't have your ballot by election day, they don't have to count it. we have to have a timely postal service doing what it needs to do operationally and this has to be priority 1, 2 and 3 for democrats in congress to fight for right now. i'll tell you. the only way that donald trump can win this election is if he cheats. the only way he has a chance of staying in power is if less people are able to vote and less people are able to be counted. >> and kurt bardella, thank you. joe, this is moment of truth for

americans where we can't be so desensitized by this president because he has broken through so many stop signs in the past few years. right now he's trying to break down the postal service to sow doubt in the results of the election. and i hope americans do everything they can to push for support for the u.s. postal service, but most definitely members of congress and republicans. but also in the media. >> yeah, republicans should speak up. >> what's going on? >> and republicans should speak out because it's in republicans' best interest to speak out. not only to defend democracy in america but also because, as we've said, time and again, republicans do better with absentee voting and republicans do better with mail-in voting historically than do democrats. and republican senators and members of congress know that.

in fact, just about every republican knows that but donald trump. you know why? because he's not really a republican. he's never been a republican. he's never been a conservative. and he never will be a conservative. thanks for watching us this morning. mr. president, please watch fox & friends. it's in your best interest and in the best interest of america. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage after a short break. >> after a very short break. ♪ book two separate qualifying stays and earn a free night. the open road is open again. and wherever you're headed, choice hotels is there. book direct at choicehotels.com. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car and wherever you're headed, choice hotels is there. insurance so you only pay for what you need. what do you think? i don't see it.

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