a good afternoon. i'm chuck todd. right now we are waiting on two events to begin. the 2020 democratic ticket of joe biden and california senator kamala harris will be appearing shortly in wilmington, delaware. and white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany is expected to take the podium for the daily press briefing. we'll monitor those and bring you any developments, especially president trump's comments about blocking mail-in voting. breaking foreign policy

news. just 90 minutes ago, the president announced the united arab emirates, uae and israel, will establish diplomatic ties. uae is only the third nation to recognize israel's existence. >> it will be known as the abraham accord, and i'd like to ask our ambassador, david freedman, to please explain why we're doing and calling it the abraham accord. >> abraham, as many of you know, was the father of all three great faiths. >> i wanted it to be called the donald j. trump accord but didn't think the press would understand it. >> we'll have more details on what this accord means ahead in a few moments. we're going to begin with the struggle against the pandemic and a sign of hope for the economy as new weekly jobless claims fell below 1 million for the first time since the beginning of the pandemic in

march. however, the unemployment numbers have piled up. we are now up to 15.5 million continuing claims. and judging by the seven-day passenger of virus fatalities, we're seeing some of the deadliest days since the spring as we barrel towards fall, which, of course, means also the election. and in a new interview this morning, president trump explicitly said he's opposing a request for postal service funding in the new relief package because he wants to stop the expansion of mail-in voting. >> they want $25 billion -- billion -- for the post office. now they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots. in the meantime, they aren't getting there. by the way, those are just two items. but if they don't get those two items, that means you can't have universal mail-in voting because they're not equipped to have it.

>> joining me from capitol hill is our capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt. kasie, you know, so many times you and i sit here trying to read between the lines of what a politician really wants out of something. the president saying it outright. he just doesn't want to do this because he thinks it's going to help mail-in voting which he believes in his own head hurts him. >> he seems to, chuck, which is a little bit -- for those of white house have watched how elections have played out in the past and speaker pelosi talked about this today. she said we worked so hard to get out the democratic vote and the mail-in votes would come in and republicans suddenly would be doing better than they were in the election day vote. essentially saying this is something a lot of republicans have done for a long time. they have figured out how to do it well. this is one of the many contra dictions between the president himself and his campaign. he's trying to actually, you know, convince people to vote by mail if you look at the way

they're approaching voters state by state. so it is a little bit confusing and he came straight out and said it. of course, we've also seen him try and -- there's two pieces here, right? there's the ballots themselves, who is going to vote by mail, and there's also, whether there's the opportunity to cast doubt on the results based on any chaos that might come out of that. you and i, i think, are anticipating a lengthy drawn-out post election day process and democrats saying the way we avoid that is by making this a landslide election. we know the polls had to tighten ahead of election day and there are going to be a lot of states and a lot of question marks coming out of this. and any additional chaos gives the president more opportunity to try and cast doubt or muddy those waters, chuck. >> kasie, yesterday we had some -- a sharp exchange of printed words between speaker pelosi and treasury secretary mnuchin. what did we learn today?

are we looking once again at september now before capitol hill might address coronavirus relief? >> that's not what anyone is saying definitively but that's how it's starting to feel. this rotunda is silent. nancy pelosi is going to california for the convention speech next week. there are no signs these talks are about to get restarted. and congress tends to only work well when there is a big deadline. that's what mitch mcconnell was betting on when he set this billup against the deadline of unemployment benefits running out. that's when they started negotiating in earnest. the house passed a bill back in may saying it doesn't make any sense to wait that long. but now we're at an impasse, and it's very difficult to see what breaks. an incredibly high stakes game of chicken and neither side seems inclined to let the other one win right now.

that's the big next deadline on the calendar. this is going to get really tough for people if they don't do anything. kids are going to go back to school without money. there's a lot of people that need a lot. it's possible the politics will change in the meantime. standing here today, it's hard to see how. chuck? >> if they don't do something in the next week, to be -- to look at it through the lens of politics, it isn't going to help people in time for the election which also seems to be a bit of a head scratcher on the president and senate republican side of things. i don't their stance on this. kasie hunt, thank you. we continue to reach out to the postmaster general dejoy. he has continued so far to decline our requests but we'll continue to ask. we look forward to having him on when he is available. now to more of that breaking foreign policy news that the united states helped broker a diplomatic breakthrough between the uae and israel. uae is joining egypt and jordan as only the third arab country

to officially establish diplomatic ties with the jewish state. if you were to bet on what would be the third arab country, most would have said uae. israel agreed it will suspend declaring sovereignty over occupied parts of the west bank in return for this. surrounded by advisers in the oval office, the president said more deals will follow if he is re-elected. >> if i win the election, i will have a deal made with iran within 30 days that will make a very fast deal. they're dying to make a deal but they'd rather negotiate with sleepy joe biden. >> joining me is nbc news correspondent carol lee. and, carol, in some ways, if you follow the middle east closely, uae has always wanted close ties with the west in general. so of all the arab -- of who would be the next arab country, uae was always at the top of this list. how did this come to fruition today? >> well, the white house says this has been in the works for

some time, as far back as a year. so they've been trying to get a number of state -- of gulf states to formalize or, you know, normalize in some way relations with israel. chuck, for years, in recent years, there have been these informal warming of ties between israel and some of its neighbors. in large part because they're united against iran. when you talk to white house officials, that's really what this is about is uniting the region against what the u.s. sees as its biggest adversary, the iranian regime and that's where the uae comes in. now the president saying that other countries or states are going to get on board here. what i would expect is that that's some of the other countries that are, as you said, similar to the uae in the sense they're a little more leaning towards the west or embracing of the west, not necessarily the big gulf state which is saudi arabia. i think that's something that is a little less likely for sure.

but the white house says that the leader, the crown prince of uae and the leader of israel, benjamin netanyahu are both going to come to the white house in coming weeks and sign this. and for the president's perspective, this is a moment where he can say his deal-making skills paid off and he got a foreign policy victory. >> no doubt there is, as you point out, there's been an informal israel/suni arab state. carol lee, thank you. while carol was doing her report there you probably saw us showing you some pictures of a group of gentlemen walking into -- it was joe biden and his security detail going to the dupont hotel. and we expect to hear from biden and harris. they are getting a public health briefing. let's turn back to the 2020 race. they'll receive this from their public health experts. we can expect to hear from them after their briefing soon.

we've learned next week at the democratic national convention, biden and harris will deliver their convention speeches at the chase center in wilmington. so let's bring in nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss and white house communications director under president obama and for the hillary clinton campaign, jennifer palmieri. jen, let me start with you. as somebody who has had to worry about how to put together a big speech, had to put together a big event. arguably, two of the most important speeches a candidate gives are those convention acceptance speeches and you can't do it in front of a big audience. how do you think they're doing so far, jen? >> i talked to stephanie cutter yesterday who is managing convention programming for the convention as part of the -- for the circus. i feel like they have a good plan. the democrats are pretty good at putting on a show. well, first of all, we've all had to adapt. we're into the sixth month of having to adapt.

so the democrats have figured out how to adapt the convention as we have in our own lives and audiences have a broader expectation than what you'd normally expect from a convention. but also, what you are really doing is programming two hours every night. two hours of network television every night. and they've got a good plan down for a lot of speeches in shorter amounts of times. it may end up being more watchable, dare i say, than other conventions. but it is going to be -- they're going to have harris and biden both in a very large venue, but they did want to preserve that stage and have them -- have the presence of the backdrop that they had always imagined for milwaukee. and i think if you consider meaningful presidential speeches, as beschloss is well prepared to do. >> fair enough. >> they're doing the -- they're

adapting as best they can and probably be a pretty good show. >> michael, put the -- before we get to the convention aspect. put this week in context here. as far as running mate roll-outs. where does this fall in your mind? >> i think joe biden gets an a-plus for running mate selection and roll out because you think of the number of times when this has really gone off track. the worst example of recent times perhaps in both optics and also decision was 1988 when george h.w. bush chose dan quayle without being fully aware he'd be vulnerable to charge he's used special family influence to get into the national guard, perhaps to avoid being shipped off to vietnam, and the optics, jen knows this as a negative example to be avoided. quayle is told, go down to the riverfront in new orleans. there was george h.w. bush and

barbara with a huge crowd. quayle had to basically force himself through this crowd. his speech was not prepared. he gave a silly speech that sounded like a high school cheerleader which was actually much less than he was capable of. it's the opposite of what you want to see today. >> yeah. jen, what do the democrats need out of this convention? i am of the mindset these conventions may have minimal impact but i don't know. i also see plenty of polling that shows enormous interest in november. will that translate into enormous -- i think we'll have enormous interest in kamala harris' speech and joe biden's speech. what i'm curious of is the overall interest in these two weeks. i don't know. >> well, it's not like there's a lot competing with it, right? so i could imagine actually getting relatively big audiences. they do have an interesting -- the democrats have a range of interesting speakers at their disposal, as well as

entertainment. so i think that you could get -- because there's not a lot going on, you could get a pretty good audience. i do think you want to do a few things. you want to remind people of what's happened in the last 3 1/2 years under trump because there is so much. put that in context. that's one thing you want to do. you want to introduce harris. there's a lot about joe biden that people don't know still, even as well as we think we do about his -- about his life and his challenges. you want people to know that. but i think that sort of the alchemy of the ticket, the two of them together. what the sum of their parts, what that is for the country you want to introduce. you want to use that. and i love nominating speeches. i've gone back and read some of the ones from past years. even for candidates that don't win like mario cuomo. he wasn't even a nominee, but these speeches -- >> a keynote. >> he was the keynote, yeah.

snapshots of america in time and so in that way, i think this speech that joe biden is getting ready to give is really important for an historic context, let alone -- historic context, let alone the impact on the election. >> you know, michael, i was trying tong think ever differe conventions that have had impacts. the '92 democratic convention and the pat buchanan '92 republican convention. that's where you feel as if the conventions played a role in shaping the perception of the election. whether it moved numbers, you can debate that, but those were consequential conventions and that '92, if you're biden, that's the model you're hoping to have out of this where you got a little momentum going in like clinton did. a little momentum going in as he was trying to catch perot and, boom, it took off like a rocket ship. >> and ross perot pulled out and clinton's numbers went up and he

was never down again between then and election day. the negative example to look at is 1968 chicago when there were riots and blood in the streets and police rioted and it looked as if the democratic party was not capable of running in the country which is exactly what richard nixon said. and as a result, the history of what we're going to see next week is 1972. the nixon people who were terrible at many things but they were very good at managing tv. they realized there was no suspense about who is going to be nominated for re-election which was nixon, so they decided for the first time, seems old hat now, but was new then, to turn this into a tv show and maximize the tv time to make nixon and the republican party look as good as possible. and that is now what particularly people in jen's line of work are going to be doing next week because not only this year because of the covid. it is entirely possible within a

few years we'll not see campaigns with crowds. >> jen, i was thinking about this. you said you've been doing work with the circus. it looks to me as if the democrats are light years ahead of the republicans right now in figuring out how to do a pandemic production. >> yes. >> i have a feeling that the president's going to see some things the democrats do and say, i want that. and they'll have to scramble in three days to try to do the equivalent. >> you're so right. even in march, i think the democrats had the notion that they hoped to still do a convention but they knew it was going to be socially distanced but they've always been thinking that we're not going to have a -- we're not going to have big crowds to react to. and it's interesting to talk to them about it because in some ways, they're improving on the program and we may not even when it's safe may not four years from now go back to exactly the same model that we're used to seeing because really what's always mattered say televised

audience. cheering crowds are great but there's better ways you can spend that time and you're so right, chuck. i bet he'll see things he's doing that he will want them to pull off in the span of three days and it will be difficult to do. >> no, in that sense you almost feel sorry for the republican convention planners because they'll have to watch and anticipate. he's going to want that, he's going to want that. it's going to be the mad scramble on that end. michael be michael beschloss and jen palmieri, thank youp. president trump is going all out to moderate suburban women reverting to some old racist stereotypes. derek johnson, president of the naacp joins me next. plus, geraldine ferraro was the first female candidate on a major presidential ticket. her daughter joins us later in the hour to tell us about some lessons we could be applying in covering this ticket. you're watching msnbc.

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today now marks five months since breonna taylor was fatally shot by police officers in her louisville apartment. they renewed the call for charges to be brought. daniel cameron met with taylor the family wednesday. the first time we spoke to them. the family's lawyer says the attorney general gave them no new information or timeline for wrapping up this investigation.

attorney ben crump and taylor the month tamika palmer spoke about the case earlier. >> right now, in louisville, people are still waiting after 150 days for these officers to be arrested and charged. they're still waiting after 150 days for these officers to be terminated. >> 150 days. 5 months. yeah, every day is still march the 13th. >> police have said they identified themselves as they entered but taylor's family and her boyfriend kenneth walker have disputed that account. one of the three officers involved was fired in june. the two other officers were placed on administrative leave. dozens of radio stations nationwide plan to carry a memorial broadcast for breonna

taylor. president trump is doubling down on his latest divisive messaging about the suburbs after struggling to find a cohesive point of attack against joe biden's new running mate kamala harris. the president reiterated the claims he'd been making on twitter that, quote, suburban housewives will vote for him because they're threatened by low-income housing projects that will, quote, invade their neighborhood. >> they're going to, in my opinion, destroy suburbia. 30%-plus are minorities living in suburbia. and when they go in and they want to change zoning so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing, you want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. and that's what happens. so with suburban women, suburban men, i think they feel very strongly about what i'm doing.

>> joining me is the president and ceo of the naacp, derek johnson. president johnson, it's good to have you on again. let me start with there. it -- to say it's a dog whistle would be to say that people didn't hear it. it felt like a referee whistle here. what was your reaction to that in his tweet? he then makes this reference to cory booker out of nowhere. >> it's typical race baiting. he is gasping for air. we are really excited about the announcement on tuesday. it truly pays homage to people like ida b. wells and so many black women who have made democracy work over time. i received calls from across the country, people are excited. our sororities and our communities are like the staples so the deltas, the akas. i've talked to people like dr.

jeannette cole who is head of national council of negro women. we feel excitement for this race because people know we must address not only the dog whistle, just the flat-out racism that's been germinating from the white house over the last three years. we are at a point where we should be looking forward to unite this nation and stop using race as a tool to divide. >> some years we'll have conversations and it will -- we'll be having talks about, well, they seem to be doing this behind the scenes. they seem to be doing this in direct mail. they'll do this in phone calls. what's different this time is how up front and out in the open the president is being about all of this. >> i think it's a combination of he's desperate and he's simply uncouth. this has been him throughout his career in the private sector before he ran for office, when he ran for office, while he's been in office. i would hope more americans

bebegin b begin to see this debehavior as unacceptable and we must have a democracy for all. tribalism divides us. tribalism will cause this democracy to erode. that's why we are working with groups to address issues on the facebook platform so we won't have racial hatred. it's a great opportunity for america to look forward. >> one of the hallmarks of the naacp is your legal department, obviously, and how you fight for justice for folks you feel as if their rights are being taken away. i'm curious. is there a legal angle to this postal service mess regarding access to mail-in ballots? is there a legal angle here for your lawyers to tackle to see if this is a voter disenfranchisement issue or anything on that? have your lawyers talked to you about that?

>> unfortunately, elections are driven based on state law. we were hoping in the midst of a public health crisis that the federal government would step in to ensure people have access to voting. i don't know if there's a legal angle. we are talking to the postal union to see how we can support for naacp access to voting is the cornerstone of this democracy. the fact that people are aggressively trying to undermine it only enforces us to double down efforts to increase turnout to the polls. the next march is in november. we're asking people to join us for a virtual march to honor the march on washington to prepare to march to the polls oh, len election. we have to do it in person, we're going to do it. >> derrick johnson, president of the naacp. appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective of all

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just moments ago, and you may have seen it in the little box in the corner of the screen, joe biden and kamala harris got briefed by public health officials on the coronavirus. and they did allow some pool cameras in there so we have a little taste of what they heard. let's do our best to listen in. they weren't mic'd so the audio is tough. take a listen. >> oh, there's the press. hey, guys. how are you? good to see you all. >> how has the first day been with senator harris? how has the first day been with senator harris? >> it's been great. it's been great. she and her husband and we were friends before this. we've become closer friends. we had a great, great day. we're going to talk today. i've been doing these briefings with two of the four docs up

there. dr. laurie and dr. smith are often quoted in our briefings, but they're going to join us today and we're going to get what i get four times a week. briefing on the state of the coronavirus here and around the world and what we should and shouldn't be doing. and so it usually takes somewhere between an hour and an hour and a half. so i just want -- the senator, we're going to be digging in. >> i'm looking forward to it. these are some of the brightest minds not only in our country but internationally. and as the vice president has been saying since the beginning of this pandemic, it should be the public health professionals that are leading policy in our country to address this lethal pandemic. so i'm very much looking forward to this briefing and to catch up with the vice president on the

briefings he's been having so far. >> we expect to have a more formal -- some more formal remarks from both of them where they will be mic'd up and tell us more about their briefing and what they learned from it. as you can see, that was joe biden and kamala harris getting at the beginning of their -- and you heard vice president biden explain that he's been getting four briefings a week, and this is now a briefing that kamala harris is also going to be receiving as well. the cdc director robert redfield stressed once again the importantance of the basic precautions to help stop the spread of the coronavirus. redfield called on everyone to continue washing your hands, wear a mask, social distance and avoid crowds. he is absolutely petrified of what the fall is going to look like if most of america doesn't do this. the big east conference has joined the big ten and pac-12 in

canceling its fall sports season. in response to reporting that big east basketball may move to a bubble similar to that of the nfl, the league is looking at multiple scheduling options. the big east conference financially it is basketball the revenue they need the most, not football. and meat prices which previously soured due to the pandemic have recently fallen according to a report. from june to july, prices for beef and veal dropped more than 8% and nearly 9% for uncooked beef roasts and steaks. here's something else to watch. vanity fair's gabe sherman reports, quote, president trump has been fuming to aides about the coronavirus surge lately blaming florida governor ron desantis for the exploding numbers. quote, he thinks ron has made it a lot worse, said a republican who spoke to trump. meanwhile, the florida education association, the state's largest teachers union, is suing desantis and the state over the order that requires schools to offer in-person lessons.

joining me from cooper city, florida, in south florida, is msnbc correspondent kerry sanders. kerry, this is a bit confusing for some of us floridians because this doesn't -- this order by the state did not apply to every county and every school jurisdiction. but walk us through what we're hearing today. >> well, it's so confusing because the state has mandated the schools need to open and then you have 67 counties working out their plans on how to reopen. i'm in brouward county where cooper city is. they're going to open next wednesday, and it will be virtual. kids will be at home. teachers may be in the classrooms but they'll certainly be in front of computers. in hillsborough county, the tampa area, they wanted to do the same thing. but the state has not accepted their plan for virtual. they want the teachers to go back in the classrooms, the kids to go back in the classrooms. there's a back and forth in tallahassee today before a judge, the judge decided that what he's going to do is, i

guess, move it over to mediation which again delays things. and there was a clock ticking and as the clock ticks because kids are getting back to school very soon beginning next week and some parts of the state already back in school, there's this back and forth rub. no real answer, one that the teachers union says is not only about protecting the kids and the safety but also for themselves. let's talk a little bit about where i am right now. i'm inside a school here and imagine that you're going to be doing this virtual sort of learning. i've got a computer here. if i were the teacher talking to the computer, the children on the other end taking it in, really boring, especially on a five-hour day. what they've done here at this charter school, i'm going to point over here and we're going to take you to this. this is charter schools usa. this actually happens to be in five states. there are 75,000 students. but this here is called the owl. and it's a camera, but it doesn't require anybody to

actually do anything. it's all automated. so the teacher is now standing in the classroom. let's switch over to the owl. there you can see the teacher is transmitting back to all the kids in this kind of remote teaching environment. but the camera follows. so as the teacher walks around, the camera will eventually -- a little bit of a lag. the camera will eventually catch up to me. when it catches up to me, there we go i can sort of engage the student and bring them up here and, chuck, you're good at math because you do all of our elections. so i put up some of the most complicated math problems i could find on the internet. >> good job. >> this allows the teacher here to sort of engage a student and bring them along. and now, the kids are at home. we'll give you a demonstration. i'll come over here and again, the camera is going to catch up to me in a moment. and here i am. and let's say with our cameraman and our sound man, they are the

kids at home. if they start making a little bit of noise. >> hey, teacher. >> come on -- >> i want an answer right now. i know the answer. >> the computer brings them in and now they're engaged and part of this. carlos having a good time. but you get an idea trying to visually stimulate things because the real problem, of course here, is a kid sitting in front of their computer for five hours of a day, a teacher in front of a computer five hours a day and trying to learn. we do know from the end of last year that teachers say about 30% of their kids at the end of the year essentially stopped learning when this pandemic hit and everybody had to leave, chuck. >> first of all, nobody, like you, kerry sanders, can do a show and tell under five minutes any better than you whether you're going under water, which you've done for us or you do with this. outstanding. you're right. let me ask the real question.

how expensive would this be -- this is a charter school. charters can sort of operate slightly more independencely. broward county schools. do they have the money to buy this in every classroom? >> well, you know, the charter schools have about $850 per classroom. they'll put it in all their classrooms. they're in -- they're in 88 schools in five states. florida, georgia, louisiana, north carolina, south carolina. about 75,000 students. and they probably bought just about every one of these. this is seemingly new but also somewhat obscure technology applied in the education system. >> right. >> but, yes, schools themselves are in trouble because they're not sure how they're going to even pay, long term now, for even simple things like sanitizers, masks and, remember, the mask i'm wearing right now, this is a homemade mask, but the schools have to buy masks that fit children so they have to have smaller elastics. they're talking about putting

laniards on them because a kid drops the mask down when they're eating. drops them on the floor. all of those when you mult ply it by the amount of students you're talking about serious money and this is long-term expenses at a time when, at least in florida, the taxing system for schools goes through property and property values are either steady or dropping. it's not a good scenario. >> no, there's a reason why so many school districts, when forced, have had to pick virtual for now. kerry sanders in cooper city, florida, in broward county for us, thank you, sir. that was fantastic. >> thank you. coming jerageraldine ferrar made history as the first female on a presidential ticket. her daughter joins us on what kamala harris will face in the days before, t the election. the days before, t the election. let me tell you something,

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only three women have ever represented a major political party, geraldine ferraro, sarah palin and now kamala harris. >> walter mondale, the son of a small-town minnesota lutheran minister of norwegian descent chose a roman catholic big city woman whose father was born in italy. >> as the first woman, she would bring excitement to an otherwise dull ticket. today, she showed a hint of that pizzazz. >> vice president has such a nice ring to it. >> both the enthusiasm she stoked and scrutiny she endured may give us some clues as to how harris' candidacy will play out. joining me is donna zakara, a daughter of the former vice

presidential nominee geraldine ferraro. she also directed a documentary about her mother's career call "paving the way." good to have you on. so -- >> thanks for having me. >> on one hand, i think a lot of people would like to say we've come a long way. you and i have talked earlier. i feel like you're concerned that maybe we haven't come far enough. >> well, it's a combination of both. we have come a long way. we had six presidential candidates, six women presidential candidates this time around who were very credible and very qualified and, you know, did great jobs. they didn't end up being the nominees, but, you know, there are questions that won't be asked of kamala harris that were asked of my mother. i.e., are you tough enough, are you qualified, are you credible? so, you know, i do think that we've come a long way.

now are we -- is she still going to be criticized and subject to the same sort of things my mother was? well, some of them. people will still focus on her appearance, her hair, her clothing, her makeup, you know, whatever. her voice. fortunately, she's beautiful. but people will -- and hopefully, the media will be called out on that. you know, there's -- there are people now that are focusing on, there's a group of women leaders who were trying to keep the media accountable. but they're still going to do it. you saw immediately yesterday how trump started attacking her, insulting her and his whole team did, which is a little -- >> donna, let me -- well, actually, i want to -- let me play something for you. i want to play ronald reagan's initial reaction to your mom

being put on the ticket. here it is. >> yep. >> the conservative party of great britain chose margaret thatcher as their leader, not because she was a woman but because she was the best person for the job. there was no tokenism or cynical symbolism. >> now, donna, back when he said that, at the time it was the day after your mom was chosen. the white house swore he wasn't talking about her. but it was what he said the day after her pick. i'm just curious. what do you remember as the reaction to that comment versus what we've seen with president trump and kamala harris? >> well, president reagan, not just that comment, but throughout the whole campaign didn't actually directly criticize her. he -- it was more like vice president pence's response, welcoming her to the race.

so their approach was more gracious. they didn't have -- they didn't do their own dirty work. they had others do the dirty work. they had oppo research really smear groups funded or supported by the campaign that were feeding things to the media att actually my father, because they felt if they attacked her directly, it would be seen as sexist. interestingly, i did think it was interesting that immediately after the announcement, president trump was attacking her. and you know, using the sexist and racist things that he does use all the time. so it will be very different. it might be more direct. >> have you had any conversations yet with kamala harris or folks close to them? have they reached out to you for advice? >> not yet. i would love to get involved. and support the ticket any way that i can.

certainly, i am so excited about her candidacy. and i think it's just such a tremendous pick. in part -- sorry. i thought you teased a segment about lessons we had for her, but i think one of the things that's so great about the choice of her is that she is actually been on the campaign trail. it's very different, when my mother was chosen, she was thrown into the national spotlight overnight. kamala harris knows what she's doing. she was a great presidential candidate. she's won all of her elections up until the presidential primary. so she's battle tested, and she's a great campaigner. >> donna zaccaro, i have to leave it there. this was a great conversation. i hope folks take a look at the documentary you did if they haven't seen it. it's worth seeing, particularly with -- through the prism of where we are right now, anyway. donna zaccaro, thank you for coming on. >> thank you so much, chuck, and

thank you for keeping my mother's legacy alive. >> you got it. happy to do it. >> 5 million public school students are learning english as a second language in the united states. that's a challenge in and of itself, but amid a global pandemic, some of these students are facing additional barriers with virtual learning. we talk to parents and students who are trying to navigate remote learning and two languages. >> 14-year-old roberto gomez loves to learn. >> do you like school? [ speaking spanish ] >> his family moved from mexico to san antonio, texas, less than two years ago, and he's been trying to learn english ever since. >> difficult to find ways to practice. >> he was a star student but says his classes got harder when they went virtual last semester. >> why are those virtual classes harder? >> because i don't have the contact with the teachers.

>> roberto is one of 5 million public school students learning english as a second language. a challenge that can be especially hard for many latino students, since more than 40% of latino families don't have a computer. >> and so what are you usually doing your work on? >> i do it in my phone. >> so you're doing your homework on your phone. >> mm-hmm. >> wow. roberto's family of five shares one laptop. even had he can access his assignments, he's on his own. >> do you speak english? >> no. >> roberto's mom says he's been losing some of the ienglish he' already learned since the pandemic. [ speaking spanish ] >> i was helping him with as much as i could with the activities. but it really isn't sufficient. >> it's a challenge roberto's teacher is also up against. >> our school systems aren't really set up to support migrant families to begin with.

and now with remote learning, that is just carrying over into that. >> for families of students with special needs, those challenges can become even more difficult. how do you help those students who need that social in person interaction to thrive? that's what our telemundo colleague went to find out. >> that's right, morgan. about 700,000 special needs students here in the u.s. are also english language learners, leaving many immigrant parents to provide speech and occupational their paep at home. these 6-year-old twins do everything together. tell me how much you love your sister. >> like this. >> they love dressing up as princesses and dancing. but when it comes to learning, their needs are different. emma has autism and is nonverbal. >> does emma miss going to school? can you see it in her? >> at first, she has stress, big

stress, because autistic children, they need a schedule. >> at school, emma's needs were met with a teacher, aide, and seven different therapists every week. roles that her mother had to take on overnight. >> i have to run from one side of the house to the other side of the house with different computers so they can concentrate very well on her stuff. >> adding to the challenge for latino parents of special needs children is the lack of information in spanish, which is why soledad created a website with information to try and help others. >> it seems like through all this, you have kind of had to step up even more. and become even more of a supermom. >> a little bit. >> do you ever sit back and, i don't know, break down? let the emotions get to you? >> a lot of times, yes. a lot of times. but you know, you have to be a mom. that's what moms do, it's like be there for your children. >> no matter what their needs,

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good afternoon. i'm chuck todd. it's 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. here in the east. right now, joe biden and kamala harris are in willingten, delaware, getting briefed on the pandemic. we're expecting them to speak later this hour. we'll bring it to you. >> their ticket is narrowing its focus on the president's response to the crisis. during her debut as the vice presidential pick, harris laid the blame squarely at trump's feet. >> his delusional belief that he knows better than the experts, all of that is reason and the reason that an american dies of covid-19 every 80 seconds. >> this is as a brand-new monmouth poll shows a majority of americans thinks the united states is handling this pandemic worse than other countries. >> last hour, dr. anthony fauci addressed the state of the crisis, telling national geographic in all locat