welcome to thursday. it's meet the press daily. i'm chuck todd. we have surpassed 167,000 u.s. deaths from the virus. more than 1,000 people are dying per day on average. i think it's our 17th straight day. the actual death toll has

surpassed 200,000 according to new projections when you compare number of deaths we may be undercounting. the covid related deaths. the cdc chief is saying this would be the worst fall from a public held perspective that we've ever had. you remember the last time he said this, he had to walk those comments back. today we don't think he will do that. making matters worse is realities will see no more relief from the federal government before election day. now with the casm between negotiators on capitol hill and the white house. >> it's no wonder we have a vast difference because this administration and the republicans in congress have never understood the gravity of the situation. they called it a hoax.

by miracle it would go away. they are the hoax. >> do you feel that even a half a loaf in this situation, something to stem the crisis is would be better than -- >> perhaps you don't understand nothing, 250. this is not half a loaf. this is not even being in the same room. i appreciate the goodness that you ask that question with. perhaps; you mistook them for somebody who cared. that isn't the case. >> one of the biggest disagreements between democrats and the white house is funding for the post office. the president is clearly worried a surge of mail in ballots due to the pandemic could cost him re-election. now with just 82 days ago he said he is blocking funding for the post office in order to restrict mail in voting. >> so therefore they don't have the money to do the universal mail in voting. they can't do it.

i guess. are they going to do it even though they don't have the money? they're not going to get the 3.5 billion dollar, therefore they can't do the universal mail in vote. it's very simple. how are they going to do it if they don't have the money. >> they want $25 billion for the post office because the post office is going to have to go to town to get these ridiculous ballots in. you know, there's nothing wrong with getting out and voting. you get out and vote. they voted during world war ii and world war ii. if we don't make a deal, that means they can't have universal mail in voting. they just can't have it. >> as the president is said to hold another daily press conference in a few minutes blocking funds for the post office is far from the unusual action the white house is tak i as postmaster general. he's used government

intelligence reports to down play russian efforts to help his re-election. he is publicly pressuring bill barr to make sure the justice department criminally prosecutes officials that investigated his campaign's ties to russia. >> it's the single biggest political crime in the history of our country and i hope they're doing a job. bill barr can go down as the greatest attorney general in the history of our country or he can go down as just an average guy. it depends on what's going to happen. >> for what it's worth with that statement right there the president just discredited the entire investigation because he's dict indicating an outcome. nothing will be believed through partisan lenses. this is a huge blow to whatever investigation folks hope to be legitimate. the president's comments likely just delegitimized it. he intends to use the power of the federal government to help him win even if that means

disrupting the mechanics of this election. joining me now from the white house is my nbc news colleague. garrett hague is on capitol hill covering the action or lack of action on the coronavirus relief bill. carol, let me start with you. the president's very, he seems comfortable being in thipositiog to prevent the postal service from being capable of doing its job for the election. >> yeah, he's really laid his strategy out and what's motivating him out there publicly for everybody to see, what's striking about this is the president has gone from trying to sow doubt about the election saying there would be mass fraud and corruption if he loses.

it's exactly what you said. it's one of a number of things that you just out lined that the president is doing in terms of seeing things he thinks will not help him in november. we're a couple of months away from the election and trying to move them or shift them in one way or another. what's happening here is that because he's doing this, a number of americans, millions of americans are now going to go without any additional aid. we heard from the press secretary a little bit ago depending this saying they weren't going to rubber stamp the democrats bill that she described add a fundamental, a measure that is designed to engage in harvesting of ballots. you'll hear more rhetoric from the president in defense of this. it's designed to block something that he thinks will hurt him in november. >> very quickly, have we gotten

any reaction from the justice department about the president pulling the rug out from under the u.s. attorney -- from the durham investigation in bill ba barr? >> reporter: i haven't heard from the justice department about that. we know that bill barr has said in the past that public statements like this, whether it's in a tweet or an interview from the president make his job pretty impossible to do. i'm sure that this is no exception to that. >> he definitely may have done a favor for whoever durham was investigating on that front. we heard we have been having this conversation of are the democrats going to feel any pressure at some point they have to do whatever they -- take whatever they can get. speaker pelosi doesn't look like she is ready to blink at all in this stare down with the white house. >> reporter: no, absolutely not. we heard that from her today. this fiery defense of the bill that house democrats passed back

in may. the heroes act that has three trillion dollars worth of aid that they are saying they are ready to come down. they will come down to two trillion. will the white house meet them at that level. so far the white house has not been willing to budge on that. the house left town last week or subject to come back on 24 hours notice. today the senate left town, same thing. they can come back on 24 hours notice if there's a deal. we look farther apart now than at any time during this entire process. we're talking about a difference of a trillion dollars. a thousands billion dollars separate the two sides. what's 25 billion in that? if this is a hang up, it tells you something about the political importance that the president is putting on this. from a purely financial perspective, $25 billion is nothing in the scale of a multi-trillion dollar relief bill. >> i think we have probably

passed the point of any return where people could get rgs say they cut a deal. they would have to cut a deal tomorrow for any relief to be felt before election day. are senate republicans going to the ballot without any of this relief? >> reporter: the short answer is no. susan collins said she want to make sure they get money for the post office. she recognizes that's a rural state. senate republicans are probably the most exposed of anybody involved. house democrats have passed a bill. the president can point to his executive orders which may or may not work. senate republicans have nothing to show for this process when it comes to a relief bill any time between now and when ever they come up to a deal if they do. >> yeah. it feels like they have handed fodder for television ads. let's go deeper in the postal service. jeff you have been living in this for quite some time.

we know -- i'm going to be speaking with jerry connelly later. he wants an inspector general investigation. what's the latest? is the postal service responding at all to these criticisms? >> reporter: not the president's comments this morning, chuck. they have responded to his earlier attack. the president this morning when he gave that interview to fox business news asked the rhetorical question, is the postal service going to handle these ballots even if they don't get the additional funding that i'm blocking. the answer is yes. yes they will and they have. the postal service says they have the capacity to handle the expected surge in mail in ballots.

there's a separate question that maerpts too. the question is has the postal service taken steps that have slowed the delivery of mail. the answer to that is yes. 100%. it's the new postmaster general. the top republican donor, a to trump donor who had no direct exexperience working in the postal service before he was appointed to lead the organization. he's made a number of cuts. a number of policy changes. he says they are aimed at making the agency more efficient, more effective but even if you separate out his motivation, the end result is that there are now delays. about a two to three day delay for general mail. there's delays for express mail. if this continues, all the way through november, regardless of issues of having to do with capacity, you can imagine if this is close election and there are ballots out there that haven't been returned, ballots that haven't been counted or fleet kplooeted or reviewed, this will make the 2000 recount look like a walk in the park.

>> no doubt. there are no doubt you start delaying the mail now, the cue only piles up and if they keep it chronological, you see what they are up to here. getting us started here in washington. much appreciate it. i want to turn the mike murphy. he's a long time republican strategist. he knows his share about dirty trick. i start with this but we're all aware. what is unique about president trump is that they are telegraphing everything they are doing. we have the postal service. you have the kanye west, jared kushner bragging at how often he talks to him. republican lawyers comfortable being seen dropping off petitions to him. this is an attempt to influence or corrupt the election in plain sight. what would you do as an opponent? >> wow.

you've got to stoke outrage which is happening. i don't care if you're a republican or a democrat or independent, i don't think you like the idea of somebody taking a crowbar to the system. americans like the play by the rules. this is cheating. i've worked in the soviet union where there's some shad di characters around and they used to call it the administrative resource. they turned off the power because our ads were working off too well, to turn off the tvs for a week. it's banana republican stuff. i think republican, regardless of how you feel about donald trump have to look at this with a harsh eye. we're going to have more than half the total vote cast because of covid because we don't want people to die legitimately with mail in ballots. we're going to blow that up. it's unbelievable. the ugly footnote is the republican party has always been a champion of mail in ballots because in many places it's how we have won. you've got people in the rnc who are just ripping their hair out

over what the president is doing because they know he's hurting his own chances let alone the bigger problem of screwing up the whole democratic system or having that intent. >> i want to play you something. take a listen. >> kanye has been a frepiend of mine. we talk every now and then about different things. we both happen to be in colorado. we got together and we had a great discussion about a lot of things. he has some great ideas for what he'd like to see happen in country and that's why he has the candidacy he's been doing. there's a lot of issues the president championed he admired. he was great to have a friendly discussion. >> look, to my eye, this is like it's ham handed. they are just right in plain sight, jared kushner is

admitting i talk to him. he's great supporter. they are helping him get on the ballot. it seems to me they are almost playing flying bit too close to the sun on some of this stuff. maybe i'm the one that's naive. >> no. it's amateur night tom foolery. i would have love to been a fly on the wall in that meeting of the minds. it's the contempt they have for the american voter. they are giggling in the white house while saying the blacks will have to run and will vote for him. we're home free and they are high fiving each other. the african-american vote is not stupid. kanye west will pull nothing in the few states he might get on the ballot. voters are smart. they see through a cheap hustle like this. these guys are down to that. they have an inckucup bent president in terrible shape. they are pulling around republican tricks like this. it's unbelievable.

>> it's a great way of putting it. feel like a silly college republican prank. as we have seen, most of the republican party trying to run on the ballot is ducking, haven't answered question, refusing to criticize him. quietly going i wish we didn't have. i can't dispute him here. does the republican party able brand wise able to come back if nobody will publicly sort of speak out against this president from an elected position of leadership? >> well, you would think so. it's not like we're asking them to land. i think the republican senators know they are in real trouble. i'm not sure they have any way to get out of it.

i think trump will have a bit of a comeback. i'm a never trumper. every -- it will be take away your prooifrt health care. pay for immigrants. they will play the hits. hits work pretty good and biden and harris are not that well defined. now the grinds will come. the old fashion republican grinds. it's hard to see path right now.

he's never able to get north of his job rating. he could go from 40 to 44. the problem is how does he get north of that job rating. i think that something they haven't quite figured out. >> it's the suburbs and they are tone deaf. >> ye. no worries. good to talk with you. stay safe and healthy. >> thanks. up ahead, i'll talk to a democrat accusing the president of holding the post office hostage for his personal gain. later in the race to get a coronavirus vaccine, russia claims they have won. we'll dig into the mystery surrounding russia's claim. g iny surrounding russia's claim ♪ don't just think about where you're headed this summer. think about how you'll get there. and now that you can lease or buy a new lincoln remotely or in person...

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explanation on cutbacks and she is in support of adding $25 billion to their budget for helping u.s. postal service get through this pandemic. virginia democratic congressman who chairs the house oversight sub committee which includes the postal service are calling for a flash report from the usps inspector general on the postmaster general recent moves to organize the agency. congressman joins me now. let me start with that call for an inspector general report. you explain how they will do this every one in a while if they feel like there's corruption or misyou of funds happening in realtime. you can get this kind of action. all the inspectors general have been very responsive to requests made in other issues. i would expect a quick response

and i would hope it's positive. obviously, the actions undertaken by the postmaster general are unusual and i think violate procedures in the postal service. changes like these are supposed to be submitted to the postal regulatory commission for review and the postal board of governors. these neither of those two things have it. >> so, if that is what -- let's say the ig finds, agrees with your assessment this is in violation. they didn't get approved with the proper regulatory bodies here. do you think that will immediately sort of put everything back to its old ways or what would come next? ask them to reverse these

efficiencies because they were done incorrectly. they were done unilaterally and have tremendous impact during the pandemic and on the eve of a very consequential election. you said early on you thought there was something, you were questioning these moves very early in this process and now it seems as if the trickle is coming in. we're hear hearing and sometimes you're all hearing from people going, yeah, this is taking longer, this is taking longer. is there a good metric you feel like you can use to sort of prove this case to the public? >> i think in your earlier reporting on this broadcast, some data was sited in terms of delays of various classes of mail that has already been documented. i think we can also rely not only on consumers but on postal

workers. they were the initial source of warning us that there was a deliberate slowdown in the delivery of mail and it turned out to be accurate. it was only after those reports that the postmaster general formalized what he was doing in terms of oversight, in terms of slowing down same day delivery mail and the like. i think we have gone beyond the anecdotal at this point. we know what's happening. he pointed out right in front of our eyes what he's doing. slowing down the mail and i'm not going to sign any bill that provides revenue stabilization for the postal service, not for the sake of the public, not in consideration of a pandemic, not to make sure the integrity of the election is preserved but the opposite. i'm willing to risk all of that

to try to pull the fat out of the fire. >> let me ask you this. if a con stit constituent ask y happened to postal service if someone said, should i go to the courthouse and vote early, which in northern virginia this is something you can do or would you rely on the mail. what would you tell them? >> i think you can rely on the mail up to a certain point. i would say after mid-october, you know, do it in person or do it absentee in person or use a drop box or remote satellite voting location. between now and then, i don't think we ought to be spooked by trump. one of the things going on here is disinformation. that's to get in people's head you can't rely on the mail. it won't work. your vote won't be counted. that's not true.

you said in northern virginia we used to have a primary on june 23rd. the number of absentee ballots by mail went up 30 fold. every one was counted by 11:00 that night. well put. thank you for coming on and sharing your perspective. >> thank you. up ahead, russia claims it has a safe and effective vaccine and they're getting ready to roll it out. we'll hear what one of america's top vaccine specialists has to say about that. later, the republican party's qanon problems. one just won a congressional primary in january may be headed to the halls of congress. has the fringe gone mainstream? has the fringe gone mainstream find your keys.

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welcome back. as i mentioned earlier, cdc director robert redfield is warning that the u.s. needs to get the coronavirus under control ahead of the upcoming flu season. most believe a vaccine for the coronavirus is still at least several months away. the u.s. government has invested more than 9 billion in research

and manufacturing of a potential vacci vaccine. it's the fiej runds of testing before approval. russia is claiming they already won the vaccine race. it will be made available to doctors there within the next couple of weeks. this is despite a lack of evidence that it is effective or even safe. well, our own vaccine expert we love to turn to is the dean of the national school of tropical medicine at the baylor college of medicine. he joins me now. it's good to talk with you. is there any science being shared in your community on this? >> chuck, we're hearing bits and pieces of it. we think it's a virus based vaccine and the reason that's relevant is there are other virus factor vaccines out there.

we have a protein covid-19 vaccine. we have developed in collaboration with a pharmaceut manufacturer. we don't know which will be the best technology to get high viral antibodies. the technical hurdle to develop a covid vaccine is not that steep. the problem is the time it takes to ensure adequate quality control, adequate quality assurance and then to do large safety studies in 30,000 volunteers showing that first of all it works and protects against covid-19 and doesn't

produce any safety flare signal. that's the part that takes time. the concern that many of us in the scientific community have is the appearance is that the russians, although they are using, sounds like fairly scientific methods to make the vaccine are skipping over the quality control, quality assurance, safety testing and showing it works steps which is the hardest part of making a vaccine. otherwise just to make something that induces an immune response to the spike protein is not that steep a hurdle. >> they saw they had something that produced antibodies and said let's jump ahead and see if we got lucky. >> let it rip. some studies in laboratory animals. maybe small studies in people showing that nothing untoward

happen. maybe something almost at the same phase one phase. the point is what we're doing here in the united states and other responsible countries is that's enough of green light to move forwards large phase three clinical study for safety an showing it actually works and in the manufacturing process bringing all these belts and suspenders to make sure this adequate quality control and quality assurance that you can make it the same way every time in large scale. it's the other things that we have been talking about just now. that's what the russians seem to be short culling. there's another problem which is we're hearing they may be

exporting this vaccine. that gives me a will the of worry as well. the world health organization has worked out a series of careful measures to make sure you're not through what's called the w.h.o. prequalification process. it seems to me they are bypassing that as well. almost like a soviet style cold war winning of insulin with african countries and latin american countries. that gives me pause for concern as well. what we don't know is how long the vaccine will work. we have a flu vaccine we take every year. based on what you have seen with the research, is it -- is the vaccine for this virus going to be temporary or long term. >> for the vaccine in general or the russian vaccine?

>> for what we're likely to see in the early stages of a vaccine for covid. >> i'm optimisting we'll have vaccines that work and give long lasting protection. we need to confirm that in clinical trials and get the vaccines licensed. what we do is have a series of analysis that are done to monitor through the vaccine reporting system. we're continuing to monitor levels of aenntibodies. we'll be following these for many years to see how long it lasts. may may require a boost if a few years. that would not be unusual. that's true of many of our vaccines. we're continuing to replace vaccines. first vaccines that come out may be improved upon and the u.s. has a history of that with the rotovirus vaccine.

typically the winner of the race has a built in obsolenscene to it. >> i've been wanting to do this segment ever since the russians announced what they did and you have proven why you're the best at explaining this for us. thank you, sir. thank you for putting a lot more knowledge in our brains about what we're seeing. much appreciated. >> thanks. up next, joe biden calls for a mask mandate for every american. president trump just responded. we'll tell you what he said after the break. nded we'll tell you what he said teafr the break. for bathroom odors that linger try febreze small spaces. just press firmly and it continuously eliminates odors in the air and on soft surfaces. for 45 days.

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outside for the next three months at a minimum. every governor should mandate. every governor should mandate mandatory masks wearing. >> welcome back. that was joe biden today urging governors to institute mask orders for their state. his campaign also released an ad a short time ago calling for every governor to do just that, issue mask man dates. the campaign followed up with an ad that said biden supports national misask mandates. moments ago president trump responded. >> the order 300 million american citizens to wear masks for main ma minimum three strai months. he thinks it's good policy. no matter where they live and their surroundings. he does not identify what authority the president has to

issue such a mandate or how federal law enforcement could possibly enforce it or why we would be stepping on governors throughout our country. many of whom have done a very good job and they know what is needed. >> as you see there the president is responding to something that joe biden didn't say. he called on the governors to issue those mandates. that may have confused some people if you were listening to that. i'm joined by two of our correspondents. i want to start with the focus on the virus today. frankly, yesterday and every day. it does seem as if trump may have a whole bunch of other things he wants to talk about but the biden folks have decided and believe that lead with the virus and everything else takes

care of itself on message. >> reporter: that's right. i would say in the spring when they signal their general election campaign they said a core pillar of their campaign would be talking about the coronavirus simply because it is one of the biggest contrasts between the former vice president and president trump. you're even seeing that now with the insertion of senator kamala harris. one of the biggest take aways in messaging and what their policies are, yesterday when they first unveiled thems publicly as a democratic ticket was hitting the trump administration on their handling of the coronavirus saying that all 160,000 americans who have since died did not have to necessarily parish. also on top of that, he has not provided an economic policy plan, necessarily, for the future. you've seen those roll outs of the position and you've seen

harris now, interestingly, someone who undercut biden as you remember, a year ago, on a different issue which was criminal justice. now standing beside him saying the moment after that biden stressed the need for that mask mandate, going up and saying this is a leader. we just witnessed a leader. just squashing any doubts that many people during the vetting process had of whether she would stand beside him. >> i also sensed another way it feels like they will divide things up and maybe this is first two days and we'll all over read it.

>> that's a great question. honestly, wouldn't be surprised if that's the way things shape out. you remember kamala harris and her own campaign, she always said she would prosecute the case against donald trump and this just may be the moment and the time to do it. the other thing that's important to point out is one of the key tenants of her own campaign is justice is on the ballot. in the past couple of months if you look at what kamala harris has been working on in the senate, she's partnering with a lot of different folks in the house and senate to roll out plans on housing justice, on economic justice, on environmental justice. there's a lot of things she is working on carrying through. that idea of prosecuting the case, using her background as a prosecutor and bringing up all of those issues as well as going after both donald trump and mike pence, who she will face on a debate stage soon, that's probably a direction i could see her going in and using that strength and bringing it the life. >> i thought we would all catch

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welcome back. after tuesday's primaries and runoffs, georgia voters are set for the first supporter to congress. a reliably congressional district believes in a conspiracy theory that the fbi considers a potential domestic terrorism threat. the theory is that serious. they believe that president trump is fighting a secret war against a deep state kabul of satanists and pedophiles. you heard it correctly. some of green's future colleagues had already distanced themselves from videos of her using racist rhetoric. however, a spokesperson on greene's win that said, we look forward to georgiians and all of our republican candidates across

the country winning in november. let me announce tim miller for the presidential campaign. qunan has been percolating in social media. all of a sudden, this virus is headed to washington. the lack of alarm sounding bells on the republican elected side of the aisle has been just shocking. >> well, deja vu, i guess, with the president, the lack of alarm bells that were sounded with him. there's been a single tweet from adam kinsinger criticizing the qunon conspiracy. he was dunked on, i guess you would say. by the trump campaign who didn't know why he was not supporting, or why they would call out this

qanon conspiracy. it is colorado's third district, they're in a competitive race the take the republican seat. that would be two qanon members. in this whole bait about the future of the republican party, they'll have more of they will than trump skeptics in november. >> i want to put up the president's tweet. the president has continued to wink and nod toward qump anon. congratulations to marjorie taylor greene on big a win in georgia against a very smart poem. marjorie is strong on everything and never gives up. a real winner. has the person we've learned is a 9/11 truther. perhaps not surprising. it seems like the president is

okay with this because this qanon conspiracy seemed to be in love with trump. >> yeah. that's trump. it doesn't matter how dangerous you are or what rhetoric you put out. this soon to be congresswoman, ms 13 and the clints killed 400 dnc staffers, seth rich, a common conspiracy on the right in order to cover up the real people that enter feared in the election to pre tend that it wasn't russia who did it. she's fond of jfk junior conspiracies. she is deep, deep in the conspiracy world and a lot of racially racist, frankly, racist conspiracies she's putting forward. the president won't stand up to this. these are the president's people. he would rather have q members

than justin amash or jeff flake. look what he says. he's far nastier to republicans who disagree with him. what's the party is you understand trump. >> look. i know, one of the reasons you work there, the dispatch, there is been so few elected republicans, elected members of the conservative movement willing to speak out. i'm sure you read the quotes. they didn't do anything about it. >> oh, yeah, a lot of privately determined people about the president, about ukraine about, the president's rhetoric, the president's handling of the virus but you don't ever hear from them. could o'this conspiracy, only adam kinsinger spoke out.

so i think a lot of people on the right that wish us at the bulwark would be more accommodating to the republicans that want to work with trump. but nobody is willing to even do the bare minimum to stand up to a racist conspiracy monger that will now be in the caucus. this is where they stand out and say no. we will see a day gentleman jrue of trump. she'll be in the senate and people will be talking about taking her seriously, not literally and excuses for her just like they do the president. remember, i was at the rnc when we said no to todd aiken. it is not unusual to say no, we won't accept someone. they're too extreme. that was only six years ago. >> it wasn't that long ago. an important point. perhaps people ought to view it as virus. you let one in and you don't know how contagious this gets in the congress.

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well, that is all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." "the beat" starts right now. >> good evening. welcome to "the beat." senate republicans are continuing to block this critical covid relief bill. now donald trump is attacking voting by mail as he trails joe biden in the polls. there's more. in not a incriminating and sweeping claim, the president is brazenly saying he will take the instruments of voting hostage right now. now, this of course comes as the talks have stalled over relief for millions of americans. people are without jobs through no fault of their own. there was jobless benefits until they randal out. so that is the back drop for donald trump now f