that a record number of americans are expected to vote by mail this year. however, that has coincided with two other things. president trump's near universal focus on his remember election and his crusade against one of america's great institutions. the united states postal service. the story has been moving at light speed, so here's what's going on. trump recently installed a new post master jen lewis dejoy who also happens to be a major trump donor and who has no experience in running the post office. dejoy specially went about restructuring the post office, including organizing the leadership structure, instituting a hiring freeze, banning overtime and trips by postal carriers that were designed to ensure that mail is delivered on time. all of this, as you can imagine, and you may have experienced, has significantly slowed mail delivery nationwide. dejoy says this has to do with the postal services finances, but it comes back to the need of most americans to vote by mail this year because of the pandemic. and trump's desire to suppress that. you don't have to take my word

for it. listen to this. >> they want 3.5 trillion -- billion dollars for the mail-in votes. universal mail-in ballots. they want $25 billion, billion, for the post office. now they need that in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots. if they don't get those two items, that means you can't have universal mail-in voting because they're not equipped to have it. >> that was the president of the united states explaining that he doesn't want to increase funding for the postal service because it would mean that more americans would be able to vote. it is crystal clear nearly every state has now reportedly received letters from the postal service general council saying that they will not be able to fulfill mail-in ballots before the november 3rd election because, quote, deadlines for requesting and casting mail-in ballots are incongruous with the

delivery standards. we are 80 days out right now and they are getting these letters. what this means is that ten of millions of votes are at risk of being discarded because they arrive after election day. remember, this is a situation that donald trump created. but wait, there's more. dejoin h dejoy has decommissioned 611 sorting machines across the country, each capable of sorting 35,000 letters an hour. and the postal service has intended to remove a significant number of blue collection boxes, the mailboxes that you see around the country, and reportedly has started doing so in several states. now, that policy has been halted until at least after election day, but only after significant pressure from the postal workers union and from lawmakers. nbc news has also learned that the united states postal service inspector general is reviewing dejoy's policies and whether he's violating any federal ethics rules in keeping his stake in a company that say

postal service contractor and recently buying amazon stock options. that's according to the office of senator elizabeth warren. now, there are some that are calling for private companies like fedex and ups to help, and while on the surface that seems to make sense, there are major logistical hurdles they would have to overcome and quickly. 80 days to the election. fedex says it does accept individual ballots under some circumstances. upsp notes that, quote, state ballots must be post marked to be considered ballot and on the united states postal service has lawful post marking status. therefore, ups, fedex cannot technically be involved in the shipping of ballots. last night on the last word we broke down how dire and serious this situation really is. >> ali, we simply cannot be polite to corruption. i don't know any other way to say it. when you heard this in the

beginning of the campaign, this is for the soul of america. that is not an exaggeration. this is on point. what residents are saying in the ninth district of new jersey, a district i happen to represent about how late their mail is, about they can't get medicines, they can't get checks, they can't get important information from relative to relative, i mean, this is a post office that handles 47% of the world's mail. and we're running it into the ground. >> you want to hear the best part? the real punch line to this war that the trump has invoked on the postal service? he and the first lady both have requested app absentee ballots this year. perhaps he doesn't know that absentee legal lo absentee ballots and mail-in ballots are the same thing. jeff, right now there's a

protest going on. you got a memo in which dejoy claimed that there are, quote, unintended consequences of his restructuring. i got to say, geoff, there's nothing unintended about this. we all knew exactly what would happen if they started taking out sorting machines and cutting back on overtime. >> you're right about that. look, in the postal services financial woes are not new. republican attempts to privatize the postal service is not new. what is new is this effort to politicize an agency that is older than the country itself. so the most generous explanation of what louis dejoy is doing is that as a successful north carolina businessman who had no practical direct experience working for the postal service before he was tasked to lead that agency doesn't fully understand the institutional history, doesn't fully

understand that it's a service and not a business, and so he's making all of these changes to make the organization solvent without having a full picture of, as he said, unintended consequences of it. but it's coming at precisely the same time as president trump is conspiracy mongering and spoking unfounded fears about the mail-in voting and about the postal service. so you have dejoy through his policy changes, his budget cutbacks, his attempts to reassign staff, which his critics describe as a power grab, all of this is creating two to thee-dree-day delays for regular mail. in some places there's a week-long delay in mail. the postal service back in june told local postal officials that they plan to remove these high-volume sorting machines from coast to coast, some nearly 700 machines in all. the postal service describes this as an effort to make the organization more efficient and more effective.

but i've heard from one retired postal worker who had 30 years on the job and he said, when it comes to efficiency, you can't get more efficient than these machines. they're desfriend says 35,000 pieces of mail an hour and spit it out with 99.5% accuracy so all a letter carrier has to do is take their bag and go to the streets. so the explanation from the postal service doesn't really add up. it's not on the plefllevel. that's not a partisan statement, that's based on the facts based on conversations i've had with postal workers and so many of them have decades on the job and how crucial this work is and how it's done. you have the postal service telling 46 states in the district of columbia, virtually the entire country, that even if voters in those states and the district follow the guidelines, follow the deadlines, turn their ballots in as they're told to, their ballots may not be counted. you could have wide swaths of

people actively disenfranchised in large part because of the changes made by the trump administration. so the way around it, once you get your ballot fill it in as fast as you can and send it in early. do not wait. >> and find out if your state has drop-offs where you can just drop that ballot without interacting with anyone. a number of states do. some stafrtes are limiting thos drop-offs. joining me now is democratic senator gary peters of michigan. he's a ranking member of the senate homeland security which has jurisdiction over the united states postal service. senator peters, good to see you again. i have to say, i know that you and congress have been sending letters and making demands of people, but the bottom line is that the board that oversees and that appointed louis dejoy does not seem to share your concerns over this. louis dejoy does not seem to share your concerns over this.

the administration doesn't ieth sport what can y either. so what can you do to solve what gef w geoff was describing? >> we've collecting all the information we need to make the full case. that's why i've launched an investigation and the staff is doing an in-depth investigation to find out what are the facts. so far the facts are incredibly disturbing. you've outlined them very well here before this -- or as this segment started. but it's clear that without overtime, without sending extra trips with taking these machines, these sorting machines out, it's slowing down the process. there's no question about that. i have asked the post master general a number of questions. he is not very transparent. he doesn't want to come forward with facts. the initial report i got from him was that we're not doing this nationally. these are just localized. then later he said, well, no, we are these things on a nationalized basis, but he has refused to answer question questions like was any data

brought in to figure out what these changes would do when they are implemented? what sort of -- what sort of analysis was done before you did it? and now that you have done it, these are no longer unintended consequences, these are now real consequences. what are you going to do to change it to sow that tso that is there in a quick way? there's silence coming from this post master general. we're going to keep leaning in and we have legislation that we're going to put forward and we're hoping some of that should we do another c.a.r.e.s. relief, which we need to do, we have to do another covid package going forward, that we can put some of that language in legislation that comes out of congress. but right now it's incumbent on us to put pressure on the postal service and the board to get this right, make sure we're delivering mail in an efficient way. as you mentioned in the opening, the ballots are critical, but this is about everyday mail. this is about prescriptions. we're now leaning in with the v arc. the va is telling us that

veterans who are requesting prescriptions need to do it many more days in advance than they've ever done. this is unacceptable in the is about health care. this is about paychecks. this is about small businesses getting their mail out and getting their packages out so they can continue to do business. this has broad ram ifications ad it's what president trump wants to do to privatize the post office. but it's going to make it difficult for people to exercise their right to vote and do it safely and securely. >> senator peters, good to see you. thank you for joining us. senator gary peters is a member of the homeland security committee which oversees the postal service. turning to senator kamala harris's selection as joe biden's running mate. it's not a surprise that president trump reacted by leveling a new birther consider by harris telling reporters he

will look into whether harris issing he abis eligible to serve as vice president. and then there's this reaction. >> they're angry because i beat 'em. they still haven't forgotten. >> joining me now is president of emily's list, stephanie. good to see you. thank you for being with us. we had conversations before this happened because we knew a woman would be picked and it turned out to be kamala harris. what do you -- what's your sense in the first week of the response by trump and republicans and the attacks? they're not all landing. they're interesting, they are -- they are racist, they are sexist, but they're not landing particularly well. >> and i wish i could say i am not, you know, that i'm surprised that this is the tact they took. we knew they were going to come out, whenever the vp was, with sexist tropes. and now that we know, it's such a great pick in senator kamala

harris, that we have racist and sexist tropes at her. and they are all over the place. they haven't quite figured out what -- what to do here. and i would just say that the reason is, they don't have anything else to say. the trump campaign has nothing positive to tell the american people right now. they have failed leadership on covid-19, on the remembering are on the systemic racism that is facing this country, and now they're, as you just that segment was incredible, ali, by the way, now they're tearing apart the post office to steal the election. so, they have nothing else to do but to throw out these racist and sexist tropes. and i'm just really grateful to reporters like yourself who have been pointing this out, because we have to fight back on this. >> well, i have to say, steph, emily's list and she the people and a number of groups that are tied to women were very

effective during the primary process, the presidential primary process in terms of motivating people and drawing attention to things. i almost wonder whether it's groups like yours that are going to save us in this instance, because all of the solutions with 80 days left to go to what the president is doing about the post office seems slow and maybe involve legislation and the korts whe courts when this is going to need a movement of people to say i have a right to vote, i'm going to make sure i vote, i'm going to teach people how to vote by nail, imail, i'm going sure my ballot is counted. >> we know we have a moment where we have to get everybody motivate and focused. i actually believe that we could be looking at an electorate if they actually get their chance to vote, which we're going to make sure they do, that could be 55% women. but, the mail-in ballots, the absentee ballots are critical for americans across this country in the middle of a

pandemic to stay healthy, to stay safe. and so we do need to use every single voice we have to first, you know, continue to call out the racist and sexist tropes. to back up senator kamala harris and vice president biden. i think this ticket has already generated huge enthusiasm. my goodness, they have raised $50 million since her announcement. it is exciting. but now we also need to make sure that every single person gets to vote here in the way that they can. and it is about education, education, education. and the campaign's going to need more dollars to do that. emily's list is going to need more support to do this because that's exactly what we're going to have to do. how do you vote -- keep in mind, every county's a little bit different in this county. this is how our system is built. and there's court cases up right now where we're trying to open up voting access through absentee voting and mail-in votes because we're worried

about people's health. i mean, this is about democracy there is also about keeping people alive in the middle of a pandemic. >> yep. stephanie, good to see you as always. thank you for joining us. she's the president of emily's list. coming up next, a disturbing video of george floyd's death has been release and it's a reminder that police brutality and racial injustice is not going away. coming up next, how police unions are standing in the way of reform. unions are standing in the way of reform. ever since darrell's family started using gain flings, their laundry smells more amazing than ever. ah, honey! isn't that the dog's towel? hey, me towel su towel. there's more gain scent plus oxi boost and febreze odor remover in every fling. gain. seriously good scent.

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crowd reacting on the scene in hor, horror when he yelled several times i can't breathe and asked for his mother. >> he's not moving. >> bro, bro, where's your 10-87? you're a bum. first thing you want to grab is your mace 'cause you're scared, bro. scared of minorities. >> get the [ bleep ] off him. what are you doing? >> three minutes, he's not [ bleep ] moving. >> you're still on him. >> he's not [ bleep ] moving. get off of his head, bro. >> the death of george floyd and other americans brought the issue of police reform back into the forefront and for a time it seemed as though we had reached a turning point in racial injustice and police brutality. there were massive protests in cities and towns across the united states and the world that brought people of all races and

creeds together. house of representatives approved a sweeping police reform package that bore george floyd's name. senate republicans unveiled their own proposal which was criticized for not going as far as the house bill. in the, end they appeared to come together and the movement lost seem at the federal legislative level. joe biden has has rejected the idea of defunding police, while his new running mate kamala harris has been a leader on police reform, she's also been criticized for how she handled policing issues as attorney general in california. however, there has been some action, as some state and local governments have ban police from using things like chokeholds. and several cities like new york and los angeles have agreed to cut police budgets and shift that money to other programs. the cuts come as new york and other cities have seen an increase in violent crime and that spike continues in new york city which has seen two people killed in 14 shooting incidents in the last 12 hours. which is why the head of the

vigilante crime prevention group, the guardian angels, has announced new patrols in new york city. we have sonya pruitt, a retired police captain, and a former chair of the national black police association, and marq claxton, a retired police detective from new york city. ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us this morning. captain pruitt want to do ask you first, there's a bit of an issue here, you and i have discussed this before, in that there is meant to be civilian oversight over police departments. police unions have fought that back a lot. and you've been a member of a police union in the past. what we're fighting now is that even when mayors want to cut budgets or city council's want to cut budgets, they are up against negotiated pensions and benefits that police have negotiated for themselves. >> yeah, good morning. and thanks for having me. that video really touched me again this morning.

so, yeah, a police unions are part of our problem. and i think we should really, really be honest about that. many times police unions are acting outside the scope of why they exist. they are there to make sure that officers have great working conditions and good benefits. but now they have -- we're not just now, for quite a while now, they have inserted themselves into politics. as a matter of fact, i'm sure that marq claxton will speak to this, the new york pba just gave an endorsement to donald trump. those things that we are working against, those abuses we cannot work against if we have unions constantly inserting themselves into the ishin said it of helping us fight these problems. >> let's play a little of that, marq. this is the president of the pb nah, new york endorsing

president trump. let's listen. >> what they're doing is not only following marches, they're following rioters. they're trying to catch up and do whatever they can to make sure they're happy. i oftentimes wake up and say who are they listening to? they're not listening to the folks in the neighborhoods that we patrol. they're not listening to the folks that say, we want police on our streets and we want to respect them. >> what's your take on that? >> it's just a further of propaganda that oftentimes is, you know, part and parcel of law enforcement unions in this country. and let's be clear about something. the unions didn't forcibly interject themselves into step government and establish these reels and regulations that benefit their members, that protect their members, et cetera. what they did, they were allowed in. they were encouraged to be in

because they used their political clout in order to get into city government and negotiate things way bond, yeyo health benefits and pay, et cetera. i think you forget about the pba endorsement of donald trump is how willing the pba was to endorse trump along with rudy giuliani who they have a severe distaste for, historically they've hated rudy giuliani, it's documented kind of well. so it shows just how, you know, to what point and to what extent law enforcement organizations, unions, largely male kwhiwhite institutions willing to go to push back against the ideas of police reform. it's silly, it's senseless, and shows the shortsightedness. it's going to come back to bite them in the long run. you can't ignore a significant portion of your membership as

unions and endorse and individual who works against the interest of those members and their families and things are going to be okay. i promise you, it won't be. >> sonya pruitt, they said police budgets are set by elected officials at local and state levels when spending often enshrined in multi-year labor contracts negotiated with unions and with pension obligations that last for decades. some police spending is obligated by court settlements over the use of force. some defunding proponents acknowledge they can't be cut quickly or easily, but it's the only way tend to law enforcement tactics that they say disproportionately impact minority communities. these issue are real, not withstanding what we just saw from the police benevolent association endorsing donald trump. but that kind of stuff is real. when you look at police budgets, whether you think they're fair or just or not, a lot of it is baked in. there's very little to play with. >> yeah. and so this fight, and it is a fight now.

i mean, i'm thinking when i saw police officers kneeling during protests and had their fists up in the air, i'm like, oh, yes, people are starting to get on board. but that -- now people are starting to do the moon walk now, officers are anyway, and that includes officers who are managers, who are police executives. that even includes politicians on local levels. here in maryland, we're really working very hard for police reform. but the -- but the reality is that folks have started to kind of like, well, maybe. and that is not working for us. when we talk about episodes like george floyd incident, derek show van, th chauvin, we need to overturn the rotten apple cart. and we're going to be in this

fight for a very, very long time if they're not willing to do the work. >> along those rot inapples the rotten apples there are good police who go out and risk their lives every day and we hope we're able to shine a light on them and the work they are doing. thanks to both of you for being here as wuls. sonya pruitt is a retired captain. marq claxton is a member of the nypd police department. every year there's a large effort to get out the vote, but one is consistently forgotten, the poor and low-income american. why this section may hold the key to the election and cannot be ignored. may hold the key to the election and cannot be ignored. and more one of a kind finds. it all ships free. and with new deals every day you can explore endless options at every price point.

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could have flipped. because while 29 million low-income voters did cast ballots, another 34 million did not. that makes their turnout rate 20% leer than higher income voters. that's 15 states that could have flipped. as we head into the 2020 election it's critical amid a recession, amid racial strife and defunding of our safety net programs, poor people get a voice. my next guest has been at the forefront of the work to build up that coalition. he's got a plan to make it happened. i'm joined by the reverend dr. william barber. cochairman of the poor people's campaign, president of the repairs and breach, and coauthor of revive us again, visual and action on moral organizing. good to see you again. here's the thing. we when we talk about the voiceless, the least among us we are talking about poor people in america. reason they're not targeted to vote is because they're not subject to anybody's advertising. they don't -- nobody looks for them. they don't have sway. they don't make donations.

to the point we've just made, they've not got a history of voting so they tend to being i forward. how do we change that to they actually part of the conversation? joops. >> a lot of times that they're -- it impacts poor white people as well. but also as we've chris crossed the country, a lot of poor and low white people never hear the issue. they never hear the things they're concerned about about talking to them and lifting them up. what they're saying across this country, that's going to be no longer. the rallying cry is we must do more. we must shift this narrative. we saw it happen in kentucky, some of it's happened in new mexico, i've seen it happen in north carolina. the senate, for instance, is in play and poor people, low income people have the power to make the play. you mentioned those 15 states. it would take less than 20%, in some of those states it's 1%, all of them to are battleground

states. 1% change in poor and low-income voting in michigan could flip it. 19% change in north carolina. something like 6% change in georgia. and so what poor people are saying we're no longer going to wait on people to speak our issues. we have an agenda for the healing of the nation, we're going to vote in mass, we're going to change this narrative and we're going to be a force to be reckoned with. and this report shows the kind of force that they can be and that it's really political malpractice and political suicide not to reach out to to, listen to this, 25% of the voting population. 25% of the electorate are poor, low wealth. over 140 million people are poor low wealth. we're going over 175 million in covid. it is not only immoral, it's impractical. it makes no political sense to leave poor and low wealth people off the table. >> one of the things you want to do is change the way the democratic party gets poor

people registered to vote. what does that involve? >> well, one of the things we're doing is we're having a massive campaign. it's entitled mobilizing organizing, registering, educating people for the movement who vote. and even beyond partisan, we're nonpartisan. we're saying we must mobilize people around issue. dr. king told us in '65 at the end of the march that every time there's a lot of blocking of vote, it's the fear of extremist, the fear of poor and low wealth white and black people coming together and change. he saw that in '65. surely we can see it in 2020. so we're saying nto the democratic party, you cannot ignore it. i personally and the movers think it's a problem. they're pushing voter suppression, open it with poor, low wealth people of every race, creed, and color.

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annexation by israel on the west bank. it has left many divided as the deal erased the palestinian cause from the narrative. to make matters worse, the deal comes amid a renewed blacked a on fuel and escalating tensions between israel and gaza. the gaza trip is a tiny strip of land that's considered to be the most densely populated area in the world. i traveled to gaza last october and witnessed those struggles first hand. those who live in gaza are in constant blacked a by the israeli government, no food, no aid, no energy, or even movement in or out of the country can come without approval and there was no mention of this in the new deal. in fact, israel is blocking the little fuel that gaza does get from going in which gaz zans depend upon. i spoke with a woman about living with power only a few hours a day. >> people -- well, gaza since 2006 has been suffering from electrical crisis. we enjoy only three to six hours

of electricity a day. i'm sarcastic by saying enjoying. >> israel is also further limited and already puny fishing area in the mediterranean. fishing is a major part of the economy. this fisherman was shot in the eye by an israeli patrol who said he was fishtion outsiing o allowed boundaries. he said he wasn't even close. nearly 600,000 israeli settlers already live in the area, many under false pretensions created by and enforced by the israeli military despite the okay occupation of israel being clearly against narl lawinterna law mat is this deal achieving? nothing is cut and dry. i'm joined by my colleague nbc foreign correspondent matt bradley. matt. >> reporter: yeah, ali, what this deal achieves, it actually does -- it cannot be diminished. it achieves quite a lot. this is going to contribute

undoubtedly towards peace and stability in the region. that having been said, everything that you mentioned about the palestinians is absolutely correct. and, you know, you can even see it if you look at the formal statement that was issued by the united arab emirates just a couple days ago. they mention in the palestinians once in the very end of their statement. the rest of it is laud totory i the use. but i should state for almost the entire diplomatic community the world over there is seen as a great new development. but for the palestinians themselves, they see this as a betrayal by the uae and other people in their camp also see it that way. you've got remember, ali, like you were sake, thying, they mig annex as much as a third of the west bank but it's a suspension. and netanyahu has made it clear

since this deal became public that he intends to fully annex the west bank as he had before, 30%. and he considers this to be a delay. it's also another example of ben minu benjamin netanyahu taking credit for solving the problem. so this is -- that's why a lot of palestinians, a lot of people in the arab world are calling this little more than blackmail. what was done here was just basically overting a disaster that was of israel's own making the annexation of the west bank. it hasn't been all-out canceled. we've been hearing from other groups, iran, turkey, they're furious because they consider themselves to be fully in the palestinian camp. they are the palestinians champion both in the region and the world. and from what they can tell there is not a good deal for the palestinians because they aren't

mentioned at all. ali. >> if you for your reporting. matt bradley covering in this from london. president trump gets into his pet peeves often. listen to this one. >> you turn on the faucet you don't get because my hair, i don't know about you, but it has to be perfect. >> the lack of water flow in toilets and shower heads, that's what's really bothering the president these days. but it's not just the plumbing that the president is worried about during a global pandemic that has killed nearly 170,000 americans. here is part of the president's tuesday interview reacting to biden's v.p. pick.

>> the win is nid is nice but i causes tremendous problems. if you see a windmill and you hear a windmill, your home is worth half or less than half. it kills all the birds and the whole thing is crazy. it will destroy the country. >> all the while he was rolling back federal requirements for oil and gas companies to monitor and repair methane likes from pipelines, storage and even though oil companies didn't replace this but has asked him to keep them in place.

yeah, shower heads and wind mills. >> joining us, former epa administrator under president barack obama and one of the six former epa heads calling for what they've termed an agency reset after the 2020 election. isay, gina, some who signed that are republicans, not just democrats. this is weird. i'm told there's more methane that leaks in texas than it takes to power the home. >> you would be at how many the environment matters to both republicans and democrats. that's what that letter is all about. we have to reset because they're rolling back in ways that are just absolutely not just head scratching but they're

ridiculous. and this methane rollback is a really good example of it. they're trying to roll back a 2016 rule that i helped to spearhead in the obama administration, and all it said was in the oil and gas sector, when you're producing it and processing it and transport it, please don't leak it because it happened to be product. because in the oil and gas sector, you're drilling for natural gas, which is methane, and it's also bringing with it a lot of pollutants that we call volatile organic hydrocarbons and they are basically very dangerous to breathe in. so we said let's make sure you don't leak them and we found a way do that. the head scratcher is at any time doesn't just protect public health and people getting cancer, it protects the planet and global warming, which is all about us and our health and our

kids' future, but the other thing is that it saves a ton of money. we are talking about capturing something like a billion dollars worth of product that otherwise would leak into the atmosphere. and the kick ser ther is that s the product, actually a lot of it, is produced on federal lands where you and i would get royalty payments from that leaked methane. so it's insane to look at a rollback of this rule. and also, ali, this rule is particularly a problem, even for the producers to roll back because many people don't like fracking, as you know, and this rule actually makes it cleaner to do this work so it doesn't waste money and threaten people's lives, but it also provides an opportunity for them to claim they're doing the right thing. i mean, for crying out loud, people hate the idea of fracking and oil and gas extraction,

especially the people that need it, that need those health protections and that is often, as you and i know, people of color, the black community, they are always hardest hit from pollution like this, but this is particularly egregious because nrdc did a polling of ten states that are battleground states and states in many that are heavily republican and we did a polling as to whether people wanted he's leaks to be plugged. and guess what? 75% of them wanted tougher standards on oil and gas, not rollbacks. and that was 2-1 majority of republicans. so they're doing it for the polluters instead of people. and people don't want this rule rolled back. >> gina, good to see you as as you. gina mccarthy is the former administrator of the epa under

president barack obama. that does it for me. thank you for watching "develve" coming up, joy reid will make a guest appearance on "a.m. joy." discover new worlds

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