sending a message protesting the postmaster general. getting ready, joe biden and kamala harris gearing up with two days to go before the democratic national convention. what's kamala harris really like when the cameras aren't there? i'll talk to a prosecutor who worked with her for years. window of immunity. the cdc reveals how long a patient might be protected after surviving the covid-19 infection. >> we begin with new reaction to this letter the postal service sent to sefrl states yesterday, saying the agency cannot guarantee all mail ballots cast by mail will arrive in time to be counted. the letter is triggering fears around the country slowing service by the postal service may contribute to voter suppression. slower mail delivery were implemented by the new postmaster general, who happens to be a republican mega donor and ally of president trump. in recent days, photos of mailboxes being removed from towns across the country have gone viral.

earlier today, protesters gathered outside dejoy's home for a loud protest. also tad, fedex put out a statement saying it does not accept individual ballots for shipment, advising voters closely review their state's requirements. and a new investigation by the senate homeland security committee which oversees the postal service. >> it is clear that without overtime, without sending extra trips with taking these machines, sorting machines out, it's slowing down the process. there's no question about that. i have asked the postmaster general a number of questions. he is not very transparent. he doesn't want to come forward with facts. >> nbc's josh letterman is at the white house. josh, the president continues to resist emergency funding for the cash-strapped postal service.

what, if anything, might change his mind? >> depends what day you ask, garrett. the president has been all over the map in terms of what he might accept in postal funding as the issue of usps has been pushed into the forefront of the most political crisis except for the pandemic. the president's resistance to more funding in the post office, saying in his view democrats need it so they can expand mail-in voting across the country. but then just a day later, the president said this. take a listen. >> would you be willing to accept the $25 billion for the postal service, including the $3.5 billion? >> it's not what i want. it's what the american people want. >> so that was a little bit of a surprise to some people, garrett, that the president says he could potentially accept some funding. it's a good example of the reasons that senator mitch mcconnell wants nothing to do

with these negotiations. he has been burned before by the president's ambiguity about what exactly he would accept and in terms of a final deal. as far as negotiations between democrats and the white house, we know they did speak this week for what we believe was the first time since the president took those executive actions, but there have not been a lot of signs of progress. just this morning, nancy pelosi, the house speaker, saying in a letter to colleagues that their negotiating position is essentially the same as what it's been, house democrats willing to come down about $1 trillion from what they wanted if the white house would come up a trillion from what they had been offering. so far, the white house does not seem to be willing to move that far in the direction of democrats. as far as lawmakers, the senate skipped town. they're gone now until after labor day. it's hypothetical they could be called back. the house went away a long time ago. not a lot of signs of optimism right now, even as a lot of those benefits that need to be extended have since expired. >> mitch mcconnell's lack of

direct involvement in these talks has been notable from the get-go. i want to ask you about a tweet that the president just sent out. he essentially con dprat lates arizona, iowa, louisiana, new mexico for getting their applications in for this expanded federal unemployment benefit that was outlined in his executive order. do we know if there's any real follow-through on that? are people in those states likely to see their checks sooner because of this? >> reporter: there's a lot of ongoing questions. there have been big questions about the way the white house wanted to have states pick up a quarter of the tab for extended federal benefits, later saying that the states could probably use other money to try to get that to people as soon as possible. so we don't expect to see that money in people's pockets tomorrow, but certainly some optimism in some of those states the president referenced that help could potentially be on the way soon. >> josh letterman, holding down the fort at the white house for us today.

thank you. lori cash is the president of the american postal union local 183. this is not theatrical, the changes at the post office. can you talk about the direct impact of the changes seen by the new postmaster general? >> sure. postmaster general came in and made changes that significantly impacted the way that we do our job every day. he basically took the postal service's complete distribution operation and flipped it upside down. normally, we've always been of the culture that all mail is committed for the day is delivered that day. there's no delaying the mail. and since he put in these no overtime rules, no extra trip rules, very, very strict dispatch times, we're finding ourselves delaying mail in both our plants and in our offices on a daily basis. we have a lot of communities that are reporting to us that there are days they don't receive any mail at all.

the changes that he has made are seriously impacting our customers. and these are customers that depend on us to deliver, you know, important things. we deliver their medication. we deliver social security checks. we deliver all of their things that they order, groceries and things that they order to live on. i mean, when we went through the pandemic, people were ordering disinfectant and toilet paper, and they still continue to order these things. so, the changes that he has made that have delayed mail are seriously impacting our communities. >> 80 something days between now and the election. to we anticipate more changes coming down the pike in is there anything you're aware of that folks out here in the country should be seeing change in the next coming days or weeks? >> i mean, we obviously don't know, because he's not telling us. we are learning everything as everybody else is, as it's happening. i saw the collection boxes on

facebook yesterday being taken off the street, just like other people did. so as these changes are being made, it's not something that we're being made aware of in the offices. there are changes that we're being told about the day that they're happening. i certainly, with the pattern that's happening -- first, we're changing the over time rules, then we are delaying the mail. now we are taking collection boxes out. and we're taking machines out of offices as well. so, i obviously think he's on a pattern and definitely i don't think this is the last thing. i'm certain that he's going to change more. >> that is extraordinary to me that you heard about these collection boxes being taken out on facebook. >> uh-huh. >> i think a lot of people discovered it that way. but it's a little alarming that that's how this is being communicated internally. the post service sent to a bunch of different states warning them it's not entirely clear you all can meet the deadlines necessary

for people to vote by mail. you and i talked in the week, you were a little more bullish then about the postal service being able to hit those deadlines. what is changing and what can you tell me about the critical election of those deadlines? >> i'm so disturbed at that letter. i'm disturbed at the fact that we had to know, as a group, that the postal service as a whole had to know when this pandemic started, we started getting into it, seeing that it wasn't going to go away, it was going to be here for a while and we were going to see an increase in ballots for our elections, they had to know at that point that this would impact november elections. why wait 80 days before the presidential election, before we notified election boards all across the country that their dates for requesting absentee ballots and getting their ballots back didn't jive with our delivery? that's very concerning. and it should be concerning to everybody, that dejoie and

counsel waited that long to notify everybody that this wasn't going to jive and that we possibly were going to have ballots that weren't going to make the cutoff. we spoke about the volume. i still have no concern with volume. i know my people can process that mail, but when i see a letter like that go out and i see the postal service telling people that they doubt themselves that they can handle it, they doubt their own process, sure, that's concerning to me. and i still stand by my get your ballot out two weeks in advance to avoid the delays. i still think that's going to help us but the american people need to be concerned that we are not being notified of these possible issues until so close to the election. >> yeah. we're concerned about it, too. lori cash, thank you very much. we'll definitely stay on top of this story. >> thank you. >> to the newly minted

democratic ticket, joe biden and kamala harris are gearing up for the democratic national convention two days away. democratic nomination for president and vice president. joining us from wilmington, delaware, ndipa, how are these candidates getting ready for a convention that is going to look like nothing we've seen before. >> reporter: that's right, garrett. we're in wilmington, delaware, right now, where in a few days, joe biden will accept the nomination a block from where we are. keep in mind, this was all supposed to take place in milwaukee, wisconsin. there's been quite a turn around in adjusting to a virtual convention, entirely new setting and state. along with all of these adjustments both joe biden and kamala harris have had to adjust in how they'll reach out to these communities and voters in a convention where everything will be virtual. they won't be shaking people's hands or seeing people in person. that comes with an adjustment, a

shift and how they're reaching out to all different kinds of communities. and one of those ways, the joe biden campaign came out with a new ad with joe biden and kamala harris next to each other and it's bilingual, in both english and in spanish. i'm going to play that for you right now. attack a listen. [ speaking foreign language ] >> that's what our taught us. now joe confirmed he's walking with perfect company. [ speaking foreign language ] and a champion for the community for years. kamala is a final piece of the puzzle. together they will ensure the american dream. >> you can see there, garret, how they're using kamala harris to kind of excite different kinds of communities of voters and make sure that enthusiasm is

still going all the way until november. as we know, kamala harris is from the seat of california, a very large latino community there, large latino population. she's had a very strong support from them. she's always been a champion of programs like daca. it's something i, myself, saw on the trail when i was covering her, enthusiasm from a lot of latino voters. we'll keep an eye on that. >> definitely will, deepa. thank you. video and ad of people campaigning without masks, the old school way. maybe the only way we'll see that again this cycle. deepa, thank you. next week, msnbc will have special live coverage monday through thursday starting at 7:00 eastern right here on msnbc. maxine waters, democrat from california. i want to get your reaction to president trump fuelling this false, racist, birther conspiracy against senator kamala harris. what do you make the president of going back to this old movie

we've already seen before from this president in a new character with kamala harris? >> the president of the united states of america is unbelievable y divisive. the president lies. he's pitting people against each other, going back to the old birther argument that they attempted to use against obama. this is a president that is the most deplorable human being that i have ever encountered in my life. and he's undermining our democracy. we cannot take any more of this president. this president is not only attacking the person that was just appointed or selected by biden to be his vice president, and he is not hesitant to do it. this man has no shame. the name calling, he called her nasty. on and on and on. i don't know how much more the american people can take. as a matter of fact, when you couple that with what he's doing, undermining our

democracy, tearing up our post office, i believe that it is time for section 4 of amendment 25 to be put in place and his cabinet should send to nancy pelosi, the speaker, as identifyed in the constitution, that this man should be removed from office. section 25 should be put in place. he is dangerous. he is tearing up, again, this country, undermining our democracy. and i want to tell you something, i'm getting more complaints about what he's doing to the post office than i have on any other issue in my district. he cannot have our post office. he cannot do this. we've got to stop him. >> congresswoman, let me ask you -- by the way, i don't think you'll get any help from the cabinet on the 25th amendment. these mail-in ballots may not

make it in time. what should congress be doing? you be rushing back into session and have an emergency hearing on this? how do you make sure that your constituents votes, if depending on mail, are going to get counted? >> actually, you know, i'm not even supportive of just having a hearing. i want to have an injunction against the president based on all the actions that he has taken that is so obvious that it is political, that he is trying to destroy the post office because he believes that mail-in voting, absentee voting will defeat him. and he will do anything. it was referred to by one of my friends as the scorched earth approach. this president will do anything to try and stay in office and so i think we need to get right to the court with an injunction. i will be talking with the speaker about that today. he has demonstrated that he is undermining the democracy.

it is in defiance of the constitution and i want him to be stopped. and i don't think a hearing is enough. i think that we need to go directly to the courts and try to get an injunction against any more movements by him. we just heard that he is making change changes every day, with his friend, his contributor, that he put in to run the post office. he's carrying out the president's wishes, mr. lewis dejoie is one of his contributors, who has contributed a lot of money. and he was sent there to do the president's bidding. and the president wants to stop the post office from being able to take those ballots and to ma make sure that they are counted. and he's absolutely shown us that he's willing to do anything. >> congresswoman, when you talk to the speaker later today, what are you going to say to her about these covid relief talks?

obviously, both houses of congress are out now. how do you shake things loose and move things forward? a lot of americans are depending on that relief bill. >> the first thing i'm going to do is thank her for offering up $1 trillion and moving away from the $3.4 trillion that we voted out of the house. she has gone into these negotiations showing that she is willing to compromise. they will not come up with another trillion to make it $2 trillion to deal with what is needed in our cities and our states, and to make sure that the renters have some support. you know, the renters are now in a position that if we don't get that $100 billion in that hero's act, they can be evicted. all the landlords have to do is give them a 30-day notice. i want the republicans, and i want those supporters of the president and other republicans to tell them, nancy made the first move. she offered up $1 trillion even

after her house had voted for a full $3 trillion. what are you going to do? can't you match that with a trillion and move forward? i want pressure on the republicans to stop blocking these negotiations, and i want the president to get out of the way. those executive orders only complicate the negotiations. and so it's on the republicans now. it's on the president. it's on mnuchin. it's on meadows, who is representing the president, to get these negotiations going. we need the pressure on the republicans to come back to the table and negotiate. >> congresswoman, one last question on the election. you were very outspoken about joe biden. you said he needed to pick a black woman for his ticket. he has now done so. what do you think about the selection of kamala harris and the historic nature of that pick? >> well, i want to tell you that i'm overjoyed that the president -- that the vice president chose a woman with the

best qualifications. she stood head and shoulders above everybody, black or white. he did the right thing. she's competent. she's capable. she has the experience. and i think the two of them are going to do wonderful for this country. i believe that president biden will be the president, that he will get elected, and she will serve as his vice president. and together, they will undo the harm that trump has done to our country. they will respect the constitution. they will support our democracy, and they won't get in bed with putin and the russians. they won't destroy our post offices. they won't do the kinds of thing this is president is doing, willing to lock up our kids in cages, willing to take money from our budgets to build a wall when we need budgets to protect the people who are now the victim victims of covid-19. i am so happy. i'm so pleased.

they make a wonderful team. i'm looking forward to working closely with them. >> one california specific question for you. there's no reporting from buzz feed that said as of august, 1.1 million unemployment claims in california had yet to be paid. and take months to clear. if congress does approve any of these unemployment benefits, the head of the state's economic development department, folks who would process this, told reporters it could take 20 weeks to process them. this is as evictions could resume as early as september 1st. what's behind this delay in california? is this a technological problem? what's deelt in california? >> let me say this. no one expected to be confronted with the kind of covid-19 virus that we have now been confronted with and our systems have not been zenned to handle this in

such a short period of time. they're doing everything they can. it includes being able to expand the technology, to do what they never envisioned that they had to do now. unfortunately, it can't be done overnight. i would just implore them, keep working hard at it. do everything that you can. if we get the subsidy for the unemployment benefits that is so desperately needed, then it will certainly not only help put food on the table of these families, it will help our economy and so i know that there is no way that the systems that we have now could have envisioned this and be ready for this. but just keep working at it and do the very best that you can. >> all right. congresswoman maxine waters, we have to leave it there. today is your birthday. we put a card in the mail but i don't know. >> thank you. thank you. coming up. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, congresswoman.

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testing. they're processing roughly 1,000 tests a day. as you can see, the line here has been pretty long and steady, but it is moving, which is a good thing in a heat wave out here in california. they say that they have worked through a lot of that testing backlog that we were talking about a week ago that was the result of a software glitch in the public health reporting system. separate from that, officials say hospitalizations are coming down. the positivity rate in the state seems to be coming down and so some experts are saying that california may be at a turning point. >> with the couple of major colleges here in northern california saying that they are not going to have undergraduates on campus this fall along with the sort of slower return to school that we had expected, especially for high schools and middle schools, i think we might be -- we may push a third wave off well into the future and we may actually get the vaccine

before we see a third wave. i am actually pretty hopeful about that. >> reporter: that would be the glass half full look at this but, of course, as california has learned all too painfully, if you take your eye off the ball with this pandemic at all, things can get away from you. this state was one of the best at flattening the curve, at keeping rates low. but of course now it does lead the nation with more than 600,000 cases, garrett. i would point out, though, per cap. ta, it's in the middle of the states. still, some pretty daunting number. >> california has really been on that roller coaster. scott cohn, thank you. joining me now, associate professor at boston university school of medicine. we just mentioned california has got 600,000 coronavirus cases, but the hospitalizations are down and the new daily cases are dropping. are you hopeful this is an actual slow in the spread in

california, or are we just riding that roller coaster? >> i think, garrett, it might be a little too early. the indications, at least of the peak of cases we saw last month, hospitalizations and deaths are now reflecting that from a month ago. positivity rates are going down, which means we're getting a better handle of the disease activity going on in california. an interesting sort of pattern has emerged in california, as has other places. longer that states battle this pandemic, the more this seems to go from big cities to rural areas. rural community reported their first test of positive covid-19. you're seeing more rural areas getting affected by this. they not only have less access potentially to medical care, patients live farther away and rural communities tend to be older and may have morbidities

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of course, we don't know for sure because, as you said, this is a brand new virus. i think you could assume there is modern immutant in the shortshor shortshor shorter term. we don't know about the long term yet. >> we are showing results of a new poll that show 35% of americans that would not be willing to take a coronavirus vaccine. what does that tell you about our ability to stamp this out if and when the vaccine becomes available? >> w.h.o. ranked vaccine hesitancy as a top ten global issue. we're seeing to see clusters of diseases that we thought we had conquered like measles. covid-19 seems to have a

political dimension. the recent survey, when you look at the numbers, it very much is split down political party lines. 80% of democrats say they would take the vaccine if it was available. 16% of independents and only half of republicans that responsibled said they would, which is worrisome. depending where you're getting your news. if someone is telling you this is not a big deal and it's going to go away, you're less likely to want to take a vaccine. the reason it's troublesome is let's say you have a vaccine that's about 60% efficacious, you would need a lot more people to take it to get the level to produce herd immunity. the further we are away from stopping this from recurring. >> thank you very much. a panel joins me next to discuss one of the most interesting questions to emerge in the immediate aftermath of kamala harris becoming vice

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i'm the only black woman in the united states senate, the only one and only the second in the history of the united states senate. and so when we look again at how far we have to go, we have a lot of work to do. and by joe asking me to be his running mate, he has pushed forward something that might have otherwise taken decades. >> this week, former vice president joe biden made history when he chose senator kamala harris as his running mate. now they're preparing to hit the campaign trail with just 80 days left to go until election day. joining me now to discuss this historic decision, zerlina maxwell, author of "the end of white politics" and sahela

kapur. it checks off a ton of historic firsts, selected out of a very accomplished field of women. what was your reaction when she was elevated out of that field? zerlina, we'll come back to you in a minute. jesse, a similar version of that question. what do we know about harris, how she's being received? too early to have any polling on her selection. what's it done within the party? >> well, i mean, my dms are popping. it was like an immediate shock wave through the democratic party and through progressive people, but also i was hearing from family members and people who aren't really into politics or who aren't really, you know, strong democrats, but who all of a sudden kind of turn their attention to the campaign. that's something that's really hard to do. it's hard to break through in this era of covid when the 45th president is literally making a

mockery of himself every day. the news is pretty sad. the fact that she was able to break through like this is huge. >> wall street journal writes kamala harris won't satisfy progressive. newsweek, kamala harris more liberal than bernie sanders. senate record shows. then bloomberg, kamala harris as a radical and a centrist. why do you think there's a discrepancy on where she falls in the political spectrum between secret communist or secret undercover cop? what's going on here? >> it's a complicated one, garrett. she wrapped up a very progressive record in the senate. 3 1/2 years, your voting record does not tell you a whole lot about who you are. she has been in a lot of different places, taken multiple positions in a way that have been designed to appeal to the moderate and to the left of the

party. she started as co-sponsoring bernie sanders medicare for all bill. she showed herself to be uncomfortable with the idea of abol eshing private insurance and backtracked that by releasing her own plan. there's a mix of agreement in the progressive movement. she offers a better representation than joe biden but doesn't have the kind of sterling record that someone like elizabeth warren or bernie sanders has. and that's why she wasn't the favorite of the left in terms of the vice presidential selection. >> zerlina, that background could potentially cut both ways. how do you see that playing on t the story of police reform? how does kamala harris react as a meng on that view? >> i think she can bridge two parts of that conversation. she was in law enforcement. she can't be criticized as being anti-police. but also there are all the names

narratives online calling her a cop. essentially, if you narrow down kamala harris's criminal justice into a meme, you're probably listening to the wrong information. there's a will the more to sahil's point, in her record across the spectrum. and i think she can be the one folks can trust she did many progressive things as a prosecutor and, frankly, there are some critical things in her record that people will bring up. but i think the conversation is important to have with someone who actually has been in the system and worked within the system with all of the different factors and pressures that go along with that. >> some good 2020 guidelines, if you can boil it down to a meme, do more homework. sahil, how important has the vp choice been historically? previous times women have been elevated to the ticket, those

candidates were often times throwing a hail mary pass. harris gets put on this ticket from a position of strength. could this lock this in pore him? >> historical speaking the vice presidential nominee doesn't have a huge impact on the ticket. there's all this talk of can harris kin certain constituency and boost turnout among other constituencies? and the polls suggest no. biden is signaling that he understands the transformation happening in the democratic party. he understands there's a generational shift. kamala harris is much younger than him, the party is becoming more female, more diverse. by looking at kamala harris you can see she embodies all of those things and i think that's a lot of what he was going for. he is a risk adverse candidate

and kamala harris represents that risk diverse, relatively safe style candidate. >> jesse, the reporting has been that the biden campaign came down to a dozen finalist. what do we know about why they felt like senator harris was the goldilocks candidate here? >> she does check a lot of boxes. she is prepared to help lead the country through what will be an historic set of challenges. so, you know, i think it's less beenb checking boxes and plis political nerds like probably all of us on this panel right now, we think about the boxes that get checked. for joe biden, i think he's thinking how do i set up a team that is ready to actually lead

us through the, hopefully, end of the coronavirus nightmare, and rebuilding of the economy around -- in a more just way, and fundamental reform to the criminal justice system? on a previous point, i want to say, you know, one thing we're seeing already is just how impossible are -- we ask women like kamala harris to be tough. we're asking them to be flawless in every single sense, we're asking them to be warm at the same time and we're going to pick apart every kind of past policy or past role they've had to play to climb the ladder. and i really think it's a moment that we all need to kind of take and look internally and say is this sexist every time we have a critique? >> good questions to ask. i think we'll continue to do that. let's leave it there for now. thank you all for joining me this afternoon. >> coming up, pay now or pay later?

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boost americans' paychecks but millions aren't collecting paychecks because they're out of work. that's one problem with what's a very complicated system. >> absolutely. let's start with the basics here, what payroll tacks are. 6.2% of what you make toward social security, medicare. your employers match that. that's kind of a downpayment for your retirement. what the president proposed doing was deferring those contributions, deferring those worker contributions until the end of the year. and where all the confusion has emerged is shortly after he said that, during those remarks at bedminster he said if he's rick torious in november, his hope would be to excuse that deferment. in other words to make those deferments cuts. over the course of the week he said a variety of things about what he wants to happen here. we're not talking about a cut. that's where the real problem lies. if this is a deferment, people will have to pay those taxes along down the line and will be held accountable for it come april when they pay their taxes

in 2021. there's a lot of wishful thinking here. you no what a politically fraught issue this is. cancel ace of the payroll tax is a pretty big, political hot button issue. it's something he has talked about a lot but we haven't had that yet. you have employers, in specific, most confused about this. you had aicpa, certified public accountants and the chamber of commerce, big organization as well, special interest group, writing to the treasury department and the irs saying we need to know what's expected here, the likelihood of this being not just deferred but canceled because this will be a massive headache, garrett, for employers. >> yeah. this just sounds like a nightmare. it's been a hobby horse for the president for quite some time here. obviously, now something that's going on the backs of employers, what a mess. we'll come right back in a moment here. move-in day for some college students whachlt colleges are doing to keep students safe from the coronavirus, that's next. tht

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with breaking news. here is a live look at stone mountain, georgia, where white nationalist groups and protesters are squaring off. police just moving in a short while ago as tensions rise there. a sub shall an atlanta park, home to giant rock carvings of confederate leaders. this had closed ahead of this planned white nationalist rally and protest. far right group had applied to hold a rally at the park today to defend their second amendment rights. officials denied that application because of violence at a similar event four years ago. despite this, several groups still showing up to the park met now by an option group holding a counter protest. we'll keep an eye on what's going on down in georgia. breaking news out of chicago. thousands of demonstrators are expected to shut down a major expressway this scheduled protest is over police brutality. it's expected to be peaceful but the city of chicago is deploying at least a thousand extra fors to help