welcome back. there is a lot ahead this hour. we have the ougauthor of a book called "hate mongerer." and this week was one for the history books as joe biden chose a black woman of south asian dissent as his vice presidential candidate. harris is the center of attacks by president donald trump but already showing a willingness to strike back. >> nobody treated biden so badly as kamala harris. >> do you have an issue with a strong woman of color being in this presidential race? >> none whatsoever. >> reporter: you ever don't see her as a threat? >> as you know, none whatsoever.

not at all. >> the case against donald trump and mike pence is open and shut. america is crying out for leadership, yet we have a president who cares more about himself than the people who elected him. >> like so many americans, harris' identity is nuance. she's black, the daughter of jamaican and indian immigrants. republicans can't figure out how to brand her. they called her one of the most liberal members of the senate while at the same time claiming she's not progressive enough for the far left. it also means that the biden campaign has to decide which pieces of her resumé and her story to lean on. regardless, harris' addition to the ticket is infusing pressure energy into the party. a new axios poll shows more than a quarter of americans are more likely to vote for biden with harris on the ticket. and politico reports that harris' nomination has

electrified voters of west indian dissent across the country, including the hundreds of thousands who reside in florida. and even when some criticized her as too tough on crime have begun to coalesce in her vp choice. in her first appearance, we saw senator harris playing the role of prosecutor and prosecuting the case against donald trump. >> he inherited the longest economic expansion in history from barack obama and joe biden and then, like everything else

he inherited, he ran it straight into the ground. >> casting her as the prosecutor, is that the most effective positioning of senator harris? >> hi, alicia. i this i it really hopes showcase a tremendous leadership that she comes from and the experience that she has. she led the second largest department of justice in the world, second only to the united states. she has the executive experience, she has the ability to lead on day one and she has the ability to take on vice president pence and president donald trump. on election day 2016 many of us were shell shocked. kamala harris was also shell shocked and she was the first person to call us out into action to say now is the time to fight. that's exactly what she's done. she's held him to account as a senator and now she'll do it as running mate and she will do it as vice president. >> there is the professional

piece of her resumé and then there is the personal part of her story. if you were the biden campaign and you're trying to figure out which pieces of that you most want to lean on, where do you start? >> i think you have to deal with the combination of both because i think the conversation of her governing has only been and her record in california, versus when she was in the senate and she has one of the most progressive records that rival those of senator bernie sanders and my former boss elizabeth warren. you put that alongside her experience as a multi-racial woman growing up in the united states as the daughter of immigrants, as someone who has sat down with reproductive justice leaders, with climate change leaders and has the conversation of not only how these issues are impacting certain constituencies but bringing it to the race as well. our politics to this level tend to be very white. we don't bring the full nuance

experience as to how they're governing. i believe the biden campaign should lean into her identity and personal experience and it will bring in a coalition like it did this week from the super majority and working families party. >> i want to point out that alencia a perfect shirt for this seg pe segment that says "trust black women," it was a lot of biden organizers holding biden accountab accountable, wanting to see a black woman on the ticket. glenda, is what you see here about applying pressure and demanding power? >> you should trust black women. black women are the building block for candidates. we have put more into this democracy than we got back and in 2020 black women collectively

came together to demand our return on our voting investment and that's in the form of policies that directly impact black women and we're claiming seats at decision making tables. there was open letters directly to vice president biden, there were meetings, there were social media campaigns around the importance of having a black woman on the ticket, not just to excite a black women electorate but frankly a poll we just put out with brilliant corners actually shows that women, college educated women, millennials and gen-zs believe a black woman would excite a broader electorate. so this week is a culmination of a lot of work that was calling for a black woman. as you are aware, there were six black women that were being considered or named as potential running mates so at the end of the day, the final four

according to vice president biden were black women. it shows our breadth and depth of black women leadership is truly ready to lead in this moment. >> no sooner was kamala harris announced than the insults and attacks started to roll in and just today president trump was asked about them again. take a listen. >> to me, it doesn't bother me at all. i don't know about it, i read one quick article. the lawyer happens to be a brilliant lawyer, as you probably know, he wrote an article saying there could be a problem. it's not something that i'm going to be pursuing. >> reporter: is she eligible, sir? >> i've just told you, i have not gone into it in great detail. if she's got a problem, you would have thought that she would have been vetted by sleepy joe. >> of course the president there talking about the racist lie questioning kamala harris, who was born in oakland california's eligibility to become vice

president. it seems right now the biden campaign is choosing not to grapple with this question, sort of to let it be the president's line of attack. i wonder what i make of that strategy, emmy. >> i mean, he is a racist. i expect nothing less from him and his administration and i think the biden campaign is doing the right thing. they're staying focused on facts or focused on telling the story and introducing kamala harris to the american public and the american voters. we all know and we all are proud that she was born in oakland, california. all trump is trying to do is distract from the poor economy, the hundreds of thousands of people, americans, who have died from covid because of mismishandlinmismis ha -- mishandling so he's trying to present a distraction and it's not seasomething the american people will fall for.

>> you write if you have a black woman on this team you may want to put her on this beat because no one will be able to capture the dynamics or nuance of this historic campaign like her. no matter how much you try to learn about the mecca that is howard university and beyonce, it won't rise to the moment within our culture required for this coverage. in the absence of that experience, alencia, what does the press risk getting wrong? >> i have to shout out to delta, but we are super excited about our sister agreement kamala harris. this is the opportunity to put your practice where you preach in that you are going to have the diverse coverage. we saw the diverse women on the campaign trail. i'm sure emmy saw just as many on her beat as i did on the warren beat of black women who were out here just covering this campaign with the level of

nuance and intersectionality that we haven't seen in a presidential election. alicia, you're doing a great job as well. just as we on this side of the screen are fighting for our seat at the table, actually to fill the whole table in politics, we're hoping that folks like you, alicia, will have the opportunity to lead on this coverage because this truly is historic. as i said, this is the moment that ida b. wells was working for. >> pass that mic any chance you get. thank you all. stephen miller and his controversial rise to power, we'll talk about how he made it into the white house's inner circle. plus president donald trump using scare tactics to get the suburban housewife vote. we'll get into what's wrong with that next. e. we'll get into what's wrong with that next. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%.

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n one day from the team that brought you migrant caravans comes a whole new season. what happens when your street goes from suburban to urban? . >> that was of course a spoof commercial from "the daily show." the idea of neighborhoods terrified of becoming more ra racially diverse. the president said "suburban housewives will be voting for him because they want safety and don't want low-income housing to invade their neighborhoods" and said cory booker would be in charge of all of it. senator booker responded "donald, your racism is showing." that is one of the many ways the

president is untethered with reality. the suburbs aren't what he thinks. over a quarter of the people living in the suburbs are racial and ethnic minorities. and, yes, while those existing suburban housewives may value safety and security, you know what they're most afraid of right now? the answer isn't diversity, it's a raging virus and a president who has no plan to defeat it. with me is jenna arnold, the author of "raising our hands." and a senior research fellow at the university of north carolina, tressy miller. tressy, let's just start with the fact that using racial integration in the suburbs to spook voters is a dog whistle

that even my untrained human ears is able to hear. >> well, donald trump isn't known for his subtlety. his entire brand is making the subtext of coded racial and racist language that has really driven mainstream politics in the united states pretty much since its insession. and turning that into the text. and it's one of the things that actually die hard trump fans love about him. they are actually exhausted by the republican party's insistence on doing the dog whistling and so his very thinly va veiled illusions to all of these racist tropes, violences are integration, safety, calling on gender violence and gender safety and perceptions of safety, doing it as an overt message is actually one of the things that many of his voters like about him. it remains to be seen if it continues to wear as well with

the mainstream republican voter as it obviously did in the last election, but that is donald trump's brand. >> jenna, given the demographic, geographic, 70% of women with children work outside the home, 75% of them work full time. you have 40% of american women with children who are the sole income owners or primary income owners in their household. are suburban housewives even how donald trump thinks they are? >> i'm not sure and i'm not sure if they're not trying to figure out who they are this time as well. going into 2016, there is a lot of legacy votes and a lot of opting out because there wasn't the, quote unquote, perfect candidate. as we move into 2020, i can say with confidence, a lot of them are shopping in ways that they haven't for a political

candidate. >> tressie, it's written i didn't kamala harris crystallizes trump's view of women, they're nasty or they're housewives." we've heard the nasty locked at hillary clinton. i wonder how it's further complicated when it's directed at a woman of color, specifically a black woman. >> absolutely. there are two things working in kamala's favor and one of those is that just by being who she is will drive donald trump absolutely insane. if donald trump is intimidated by strong, powerful women, which he absolutely has demonstrated that he is, he is actually the most terrified and, therefore, the most angry and pointed with minority women, particularly african-american women. you've seen this in white house briefings, for example. he holds his most strident, direct attacks, sexist though

they may be, he holds out the worst of those for black women. the reason for that is because someone like donald trump becomes donald trump by understanding the psyche of his voter and his fan base better than anyone else has been willing to admit, and that is that most people do not care about the health and well being of black women and so he knows that there's absolutely no political down side with his typically voter in attacking kamala harris based on race and sex. and then i also think kamala harris picks at his intellectual inferiority complex. she's smart and sharp. there's no getting away from aside frdonald trump, kamala harris comes across as looking

brilliant. >> what conversation do women need to be having with each other? >> in using language like nasty, i interpret that that he's just very, very afraid. there's so many women from so many different walks of life, ideology perspectives and kreeds that are seeing themselves reflected in their strengths and sharpness. if we move 4% of democratic women, the democrats will get the oval office back. i'm hearing so many white women question, that are reorganizing the algorithm where previously we've been taught based on our humanities and social studies curriculum that you can pick an issue if you don't necessarily know, if you're not well steeped in politics or understand the

full 3 of60 perspective and now many voters are reconsidering how they're going to decide which direction to pull the lever and the algorithm is being redone and it's all about the character. what would have been traditionally conservative voters who would have said i would never consider roe v. wade being at risk, i ultimately believe will turn on november 3rd. >> we will see. jenna, tressie, thank you both. >> we'll get into why the u.s. postal service is so important in this election. plus, latinas running for congress hoping to make history. we'll talk to three candidates about their message to voters next. r message to voters next ♪

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would not have full representation in the united states congress. so this should not just be about any one state, we should be saying this across the nation because there are so many talented black women and women of color period who are on that path and they should be encouraged. i want to say that we should encourage and always support women who are running for office. >> to paraphrase kamala harris, representation matters period. while harris' nomination was wildly celebrated as historic, it highlighted that women were scarcely represented in some of the most important leadership roles in this country. this year women are on pace to set more records in congress. in 2018, 102 women won their house races and as of this week, 243 women have won house primaries, including a record 75 latinas, who are major party congressional candidates. three of them are with me right

now. they are part of the first latina's initiative. we have attorney fernandez, who will represent new mexico's third district, also candace venezuela and potentially the first afro-latina elected to n canada and thirdly the first lgbtq latina in congress. that is part of your story, if elected you would be the first afro-latina elected to congress but there is so much more to your story. i wonder what this means to you. >> it means so much. it's an honor to go forward and represent my community in

november. but what i am really concerned about is fighting for my communities, having experienced homelessness, having experienced working three jobs in order to pay a medical bill, there are a lot of folks in congress that have not experienced these things. so there are really important firsts that we have to have representing us so that they know what we need. >> theresa, to that point it is about so much more than the optics. it is about the lived experience. i wonder for you what it is in your own lived experience that you would hope to bring to congress. >> so i think that what's really important is to recognize that the community -- let me talk a little bit about my district. my district is 20% native american. it has been 42% latino and it is really important to have somebody from the district -- i'm from northern new mexico. it's gorgeous here. someone who understands not just its beauty but also its poverty and in the poverty you

understand the opportunity and the opportunity lies in the fact that there is a cultural richness in this district that needs to be celebrated and that when we take to congress our stories about our cultural pride, that i think that that is really important as we start understanding how we come together as a country, as an us, and celebrating that diversity and recognizing that it is about the strength in our multi-culturalism that will i think really help out for all of us as we move into congress. >> georgette, i wonder what the pieces are of your personal story that you hope to bring to congress. >> yes. as the first lgbtq latina elected at the local level, now someone that grew up in the barrio, daughter of immigrant parents, been working really hard to set a strong agenda for

our community. we've been able to crack down on discrimination in housing and policing, preserve our eviction moratorium during the coronavirus, this crisis. the first thing that i did when i came into the council was we introduced a resolution, i was the author, to pass an opposition on trump's border wall. and i'm excited to be running for congress. i'm going to make sure that we bring big, bold ideas and we're addressing the quality of life of our communities by addressing the climate crisis, universal health care, immigration reform and representation matters. as a latina, daughter of immigrant parents, that's what i'm bringing to congress, someone who is from the border and i'm excited. >> canned idace bergene candace negotiations or lack of negotiations that are happening around the next round of relief

related to coronavirus, i wonder how you feel you would situate yourself in that debate if you were in congress right now. >> if i were in congress right now, i would be fighting for relief for families because families can't wait a couple more weeks for the relief they need to pay their health care bills, the relief to pay their rent, to put food on the table. families are struggling, they're panicking. people are dying. and i'm not exaggerating when i say that. and we've got these folks playing politics, being beholden to large corporate interests and they're not caring about how this is hurting american families. so i would be situating myself in a place to fight for those families. >> georgette, i want to talk a little bit, michelle obama wrote about the girls growing up today will be able to take it for granted that someone who looks like them can grow up to lead a

nation like ours. what is your message to young latinas who are watching the three of you and wondering if something like running for congress is possible for them? >> yes. i mean, we can't be what we can't see, right? so if we're not at the table making sure that we are shaping policies that are impacking oti communities, then the conversations are not be had. this country has left our communities, our brown and black communities behind. so i'm excited to be running, to be making history in our nation, to the first queer latina elected in the nation but more importantly someone that is a brown woman, daughter of immigrant parents and this is what i'm bringing to the conversation and i'm excited. i want to show to future generations that we do matter, that we can get to d.c. to make policies and more importantly

uplift our communities. >> theresa, one of the things that we witnessed in advance of kamala harris being named as former vice president biden's running mate was a lot of people stepping up and saying it is really important that you pick a woman of color and there were people who were stepping up and saying it is specifically very important that you choose a black woman to be your running mate. and we saw sort of what happens when that pressure is applied. how would you like to see the a latino community continue to apply that pressure not only as it relates to candidacies, but as it relates to the things they demand from those this power? >> i this i thnk this is a real issue, touching a little bit on the question you asked canned i -- candace. they have left out people from

the covid relieve bills. we have to include peel thople are part of our essential services and working to get food on the table that care for our elderly. when we look at our latina population, they are on the front lives in so many ways in making our lives possible. we need to make sure their lives are also protected, that we have comprehensive immigration reform, that we defeat those that would demonize another in order to gain political power. sometimes that is demonizing our community and we know that there is really no other, that there is an us we need to defeat those who would run on politics of fear and rather create a politics of opportunity and that opportunity includes all of our communities. so sometimes it's the basics of raising the minimum wage, making sure we have access to health care for everybody. when you do that you lift up not only the latino community and

african-american community and gay communities but our entire country. so many of our issues overlap but where they are unique is when you have to defeat those. we choose to demonize mexicaning me grants, muslim, lgbtq, that is where it starts. >> teresa, candace and georgette, thank you all. >> he's the man behind president donald trump's most controversial policies. a look at how steven miller became one of president donald trump's most trusted advisers. and coming up, rachel maddow, joy reid, an unprecedented event. special coverage starts monday at 7 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. n right here on msnbc. needles.

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in crafting immigration policies, working to block asylum seekers, push child separation at the border and spearhead the fight to end daca. so how did he make it into the trump inner circle ? a new book addresses it. jean, what do you pinpoint as the radicalizing moment in steven miller's life? >> that's exactly right. steven miller is a case study in radicalization. this happened at a very young age for stephen. he was a teen-ager when he was indoctrinated by a man named david horowitz, a marxist that introduced him at a young age to this aapocalyptic fantasy that he had to save the united states from destruction in the form of

too many black and brown people here. he says white men created everything we hold dear in society, things like equality and freedom. these ideas spoke to young stephen miller and according to emails i obtained for my book, you see david horowitz pleeiayi an instrumental role, becoming like a father figure, shaping the most incendiary rhetoric, shaping his poll 'tis. with his help, miller learned how to launder white supremacist ideas to make it palatable to the mainstream. >>la launder is such a smart wa to put that. in your book you write "former senate aides spoke on the condition of anonymity fearing retaliation. to describe him as vindictive,

one said he was like an aggressive nasty street fighter. he wants to project he will do whatever he needs to do and that anyone who crosses him will regret it. what is his end game here? >> his end game is to reengineer the demographics. because of this white supremacy ideaologies he was exposed to as a young age. you realize a majority of these policies affect people who have broken no laws but mostly people from african and latin american countries, targeting asylum speaker, refugees and mostly families. when you look at where these policies come from, what i tried to do in the book is connect the dots between these policies and where he's deriving them from. these are coming from think tanks that were created by white

suv prem cy supremacists. they push this apocalyptic idea that brown and black people pose some kind of existential threat. from a very young age miller was being exposed to white supremacisty decemb ideas. throughout his time in the white house, he's completely and repeatedly disregarded the input of national security experts in order to push his white nationalist agenda through. and because of this, you know, according to white house officials that i spoke to for the book, this has left americans more vulnerable to a range of real threats, everything from domestic terrorism to cyber warfare to pandemics because he has been narrowing the focus of the department of homeland security from day one to focus on families, people who they believe might reproduce too much and change the nature of this country and make it not a white majority country. so this is bigger than whether you care about immigration or not.

stephen miller is eacceptsssent blix relations flak who at the age of 21 was put in charge of policies of this country without any policy experience. >> how did he get inside trump's inner circle. >> he was helped by extremists to helped to nurture his career his entire life, people like david horowitz, people like steve bannon. and when he finally met donald trump, he was able to have a much bigger impact on the trump administration than any of his former mentors, completely overtook them. and this is because stephen miller gets donald trump. he gets him emotionally, psychologically and spiritually. this is partly rooted in his childhood, which i delve into in the book. his father was a real estate investor tangled up in legal disputes and bankruptcy, much like trump. he's described as very trump

like. he grew up in a similar family to trump, has similar values. he used to go to las vegas dressed up as the robert de niro mobster character in the movie "casi "casino." he shares the same perception of what it means to be a man that donald trump. miller pushes donald trump in the most aggressive direction and trump has come to appreciate this because it speaks to his base and, you know, whenever he follows a more moderate adviser's advice, he gets ridiculed as weak. so he's leaning more and more on stephen miller during this time of crisis because he believes it going to win him reelection. >> the book is "hate monger, stephen miller, donald trump and the white nationalist agenda." thank you. up next, what attacks on the postal service mean for rural america. service mean for rural america. safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!!

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service. and when it comes to rural america, it's critical to know the role that mail service plays. for hundreds of towns in america, the tiny post offices are community hubs, gathering places and solves loannyness. president trump's down sizing will change everything, from getting prescriptions and paychecks to how they vote. nebraska is allowing expanded voting from home this year. jane, great to the see you. you're in nebraska. give us a sense. when we talk about post offices closing, what does it mean? >> the reality is that trump is trying to dismantle the public trust, and the post office is the hub. where you fill out census information. connecting to family and friends.

small businesses, folks have small businesses on etsy. it's show they get goods to folks across the country. but the reality is this, the united states poess office, they deliver to americans, whether you live on a dirt road or a high-rise. the concern now is they will not have the funding and the trump administration will continue to put up blocks. for rural communities, it can take seven days for a liter to reach a community. and it means it can take two weeks. >> how is your start preparing for the possible reality of having more mail-in voting and having less resources to process the ballots? >> we're going do a couple things. the first, i hope everybody's watching. they ask the members of congress to allocate the $150 million that is needed to have stamps

essentially paid for on all the ballots in. that should also happen on the vote by mail. our state party is going to create a network of volunteers that can pick up applications and ballots and bring them to drop boxes. in the small commune tips, we don't have drop boxes for ballots. there is one at the county courthouse. that is something we are adding the secretary of state to add more drop boxes across communities. the counties are very vast. the last thing we're doing, we're going to do expanded vote by mail. so we have major concerns that our state is confusing voters. they sent out applications to all voters, 75% of nebraskans have voted by mail, and they have not told voters that is only for the primary. a lot of voters think they are getting a ballot. that is something the party hand

in hand with the biden team and the democratic congressional committy a commitee are working hard on. >> how do you get to voters and help them understand if they want a ballot, they have to request it. >> we continue to use social media in the rural communities. they are heavily reliant on facebook. we have to watch out for the misinformation on facebook. it's a way for us in the rule commune tips to connect with one another. that one thing we are doing. a lot of information on social media. we are personally sending mail to democratic and vote by mail as well as voter education. and then we also have a program called the block captains, a lot in the rural communities. they are doing no knock dropoffs. they are doing vote by mail and a vote by mail application. >> jane, of the many hats you

have, your book "harvest the vote, how democrats can win against in rural america," what is the message that democrats need to hear? >> democrats used to win in the plains states and the rural communities in the south. because we showed up when people were hurting. right now, folks in iowa with facing massive damage from storms that came through, you know, even with the coronavirus, we need to take a lesson what is happening with j.d. shotton. he is getting his chain saw out and helping neighbors. he is talking to them. it's not as simple as showing up. that is one thing. we have to be talking about all the rural issues. and that will happen at the convention next week. >> all right, jane, thank you. be sure to check out her book. that is it for me. thank you for being here. i will see you back here tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern.

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hey there, i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you tonight from nbc news world headquarters in new york. we are following the fight against the coronavirus pandemic, and the intensifying fight over mail-in voting. it's not every day