hey there, i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you tonight from nbc news world headquarters in new york. we are following the fight against the coronavirus pandemic, and the intensifying fight over mail-in voting.

it's not every day you get a better from the u.s. postal service, let alone one that tells you it might not deliver on its promise to deliver the mail. almost every state has gotten a letter, offering no guarantees that our mail-in ballots will be counted. and it's spreading vote of voter s suppression. today, they gathered outside the home of postmaster general louis dejoy. he was clear they need money to run smoothly. also, the money depends on the democrats giving him whal he wants in the next relief be. >> i can tell you he is a very smart man. he will be a great postmaster general, and he needs -- if you are going to do millions of ballots out of nowhere, he's going to obvious lir need

funding. but the democrats are not willing to provide other things so they're not going to get the funding for that. we are going to have an election that takes place on a beautiful day, november 3rd. and usually at the end of the evening, they say, donald trump has won the election. donald trump is your new president, whatever they say. you know, you're not going to know this, possibly, if you did it right, for months of years. because these ballots are all going to be lost, they're going to be gone. >> meanwhile, a bipartisan group met with white house chief of staff mark meadows yesterday to get coronavirus relief moving again. and politico is reporting that nancy pelosi is considering cutting the august recess short to deal with the crisis at the postal service. that a good place to start this

hour with ruben giillego. what do you make of bringing everybody back, since congress has adjourned without a deal? >> absolutely. we should be coming back as fast as possibility. i'm glad that pelosi is considering that, because of the deal and the sabotage that is happening with the u.s. postal service. >> so what do you do if you come back early? say that congress returned wednesday, a few droo days to travel back. nothing's gotten done so far. both sides seem firmly at logger heads. what breaks the log jam? >> first, just to focus on the postal service. we have to subpoena the postmaster general and the managers to understand why there is such a draser change that is happening a few months before millions of people will be voting by mail. that is one of the most important things.

we have to canontinue to have a conversation with the public about what the position is with democrats on covid relief. we have a lot of great positions that will be helpful to keep the economy safe. the president is focussed in a couple areas that will bring stability will end up coasting the american economy $500,000 between now and december 31st. there is a lot to work on. we want to, for example, reopen funds. we want to provide funding for that. the republicans want to provide funding if they open. that is not the way to distribute the money. those are the conversations we have. and the leadership can work as members of congress support them. >> do you know if there is a negotiation going on now, are there conversations going on? >> i do know there are conversations going on. we want to point out something else too.

we passed the bill 13 weeks ago, and to look at the issue one week before they decided to adjourn for senate. how you have a president who is not even at the white house. he is at his private country club in the middle of one of the most pandemics the united states has ever seen. and he decides to just go golfing. >> with regard to that. we have a quick clip of the president referring to that. i will let you finish your thought. listen. >> when it's right, i'll meet. right now, it's not right. they want a trillion dollars to bail out badly run states. democrat states. will somebody happen? possibly. the country is doing very well right now. we will live very happily with it, without it. >> it is worth noting, by the way, a number of the states he is referring to, democratically run, pay more to the government

than they take back. several states are run by republican governors. go ahead. >> it's hard to say we are doing well right now. we are not doing well. our food banks have lines for miles and miles around to keep track of the people who cannot meet their basic needs. we have 1,000 people dying of covid-19 a day and you have states that are basically going broke just providing first responders with the ppe just to have them do their every day job. someone who says they want to stand up for the police. what the president is doing is defunding the police. a lot of states and cities, the budget is law enforcement. and they will have budget deficits in there. is other hypocrisy and lack of leadership from the white house and my fellow republicans. if this was barack obama, they could have been yelling from the tree tops how he is abetting our

country. and the president refused to take it seriously and refuses to be a leader. >> i do want to ask you about mail-in voting. i understand that arizona casts more mail-no bat lols than the 2018 midterms. what is your sense how mail-in voting is working in arizona flow? >> arizona has had 25 years of mail-no voting. it's been very popular. with republicans and now bipartisan, democrats and republicans use it equally. democrats return more ballots last time in arizona than republicans. at the end of the day, we're going to figure out a way to vote in arizona. i think the president is shooting himself in the foot. a lot of republicans will hold on to their ballots and may not end up voting, and it will come down to one or two points. and it's this president's conspiracy theories and fearmongering that will cost him

the election. >> and very, very briefly. what you are hearing from your constituents from kamala harris on the ticket? >> they're pumped. i have a large population -- a black population and a large latino population, and just as pumped as the african-american population. they are pumped we have someone from the immigrant background and she has respect from the latino community. the latinas are excited about her, and the other spectrum, a lot of white moderate women who have been -- i think already we're learning towards vice president biden, and with her background and degree, i think really excites them. and for us to have a first opportunity, a real opportunity, i think to get a female vice

president elected, i think that makes -- obviously, we had some other opportunities but we feel this is probably one of the best shots we're going to have. >> congressman, thanks very much. >> thank you for your time. >> time to meet the panel for the hour. gnat natasha, i will start with you and the president's news conference this evening. are there any take a ways from you? it sounded like he doubled down, tripled, quadrupled down on a number of things he said before. the economy is going well. it's going better than we in the media want to depict and the recovery will be quick. and kind of repeated some of the attacks on kamala harris, the post office and the democrats. >> yeah, a lot of it is

repetition. it doesn't sound like he has a top line to announce. and retail is coming back. he claimed -- he refused to refute -- he refused to say there's no reason kamala harris would not be able to run for national office. he did this vague thing where he said i'm not saying it but a very important lawyer is saying there could be a problem, the argument that is circulating online is that, a false argument the california born senator wouldn't be able to run because her parents are immigrants. he is keeping it alive. he expressed full confidence in the postmaster general, and dejoy, says he wants to make the post office great again. when pressed on the cuts, he said you have to ask him. so it was a lot of doubling down on the story lines that are happening and he really -- i thought it was interesting, his

criticism of his defense secretary. >> i think the president's primary literally responsibility is not an article by the professor but the constitution. >> and the problem with what he is doing, he likes to let it simmer. and that's what happens when -- from the office that he has, the white house podium, he lets it flow and says, i don't know. i'm not saying it is. i heard this is exactly how he traffics in the conspiracy theories. >> every time i hear that, the little ghetto 10-year-old in i had head says, i'm not saying your mama's ugly, but somebody -- it rings strange to me. with regards to negotiations, all of it comes back to the covid relief bill.

that is what the money for the postal service is connected to. what is your sense on what happens now and when congress reconvenes if anything. >> yeah, it's really up in the air right now. i mean, democrats have already proposed billions of dollars to fund the usps and they are considering to come back early from recess on a bill that might prevent the overhaul, and delay mail-in voting and cause delays in packages and letters that could interfere with the election. right now, i think we don't really know. a lot of democrats have a sense if they come back to the hill, and a lot of people are pressing for them to do, it might not do any good. republicans are going to be speaking perhaps to an empty room and not have a lot of people tuning in, because who at this point, is this what some aides and staffer willing tune

in to listen to the issues. on the other hand, they argue there is at least some value to bring widespread attention and drawing attention to the very dangerous precedent we are setting here with regard to impeding mail-in voting. there are two vids to it. we are going to see negotiation about whether they are going to come back early, and potentially voting on bills and such to prevent more interference with the postal service's activities. but we are waiting and seeing what congress does. >> natasha, how do you see the politics playing out? it won't play well for older voters, veteran, anyone who gets medications in the mail. not just older people but anyone. do we have any sense of any political fall out so far? or is it too soon? >> i think if joe bide season

going to be campaigning on saving the postal service, that is not a bad position to be in. the postal service is pretty beloved by a lot of people in the country, and it's a safe issue to say, this is something we need to rescue. not only to enfranchise people but to save something that is in the constitution. this is really an unprecedented attack on this institution. and that is what democratic strategists are saying. this is not a losing issue for biden. this is a losing issue for the president. >> we will talk about the postal service. i want to bring up this excerpt from michael cohen. the white house called it fan fiction. i wonder what your sense is of how this might play getting closer to the election. i'm not sure the fan fiction metaphor works for me. with you i'm not sure how other

people are viewing this, if it registers for voters right now. >> the white house's denuns y s denunciation means nothing. the forward released this week does a good job explaining why if you find him to be an unsavory character, if you find him to be untrust worthy in the past, and he makes -- he does a good job of laying out why should you read the book and believe the stories in it. because he says to understand donald trump, you need to acquaint yourself to understanding the world that donald trump inhabited. >> natasha, i'm curious about

your thought on the book. i feel like michael cohen is an intelligent character. i never met the man. it makes good television when a member of congress says will you commit now to give all of your proceeds to charity or commit to your time in the trump administration? and his answer is no. >> that is good television. but he is talking about a president bhot will never leave office peacefully. >> this is something that people have been saying, one of the biggest things that people can take away from this book. is that -- from his speaking out in general, in his testimony last year, he is gravely concerned there will not be a peaceful transition of power now. i don't know what evidence he has. except donald trump worked for

him for a decade, and delaying and the postal service, those are signs it's not going to be a peaceful transition of power. and the white house's attempts to under mine this book, saying it's fan fiction, saying it's lies, this is someone who has documentary evidence and a lot of it will be invcluded in the book, and contains a number of bombshells, things we have not heard about. this is not something i think that the president and white house are going to be able to ignore easily. they have tried already to try to bury it by bringing michael cohen back to prison and have him sign a document, but a judge shot that down quickly. in terms of the president now trying to interview with the up coming release there is really no chance that is going to happen. so i think it's going to land with a bank. >> natasha, annie, stick around. we will have more to talk about

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president trump's dirision could threaten a constitutional entity. we had a post office before we declared our independence. do you know who the first postmaster general was? benjamin franklin. louis dejoy is leading a effort to hamstring mail service, removing mailboxes, shutting

down letter sorting machines because of what many expect to be a surge in voting by mail. let's dig into this with david becker, director and founder of the election innovation and research. good evening. >> good evening. >> let's begin with that cut of president trump that is making the rounds this week, what everyone has been referring to him -- referring to him as saying the quiet part out loud. >> they want $25 billion, billion, for the post office. now, they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take millions and millions of ballots. but if they don't get the two items, it means you can't have universal mail-in voting. because they're not equipped to have it. >> i'm in the sure about this quiet part out loud thing. the president has been dogging out the postal service for a while now, saying they were suckers, getting played by amazon. what is your sense of the latest

development in his back and forth with the post office? >> well, it's hard to make out exactly what it's all about. i mean, clearly, there's been an effort by the white house to delegitimatize mail voting for some time. and i don't understand what it is. mail voting is a newfangled scheme that has been around since at least the civil war. all members of the military rely on mail-in ballots significantly. about 20% of the ballots in 2016, the election the president won, were cast by mail. there are a handful of states where they do a universal mail-in ballot. the only one that is possibly a swing state is possibly nevada. florida, north carolina, georgia, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, they all offer the same kind of mail voting as the majority of states

do, which is people request an absentee ballot, they get sent a ballot, the application is reviewed, and the personal information and signature matching. it's really secure and there is no reason to worry about it. >> there are areas where supervisors of elections will tell you the way we vote has room to evolve and harden itself against hacking, counterterror and so on. what do you make of the president's specific complaint about the way we vote. if you just let people have ballots without proactively requesting them f you just send them automatically, it's one more way that the system can be gained. does he have -- is there any merit to that argument? >> there is no merit to that argument. if you ask where they do that, and mail them out, they will tell you they are checks and balances in place to make sure

that the ballots that are cast are validated and they are confident it's cast by the individuals who are supposed to vote them. and in fact, with all mail voting if, if you want to go to jail, if you want to get free room and board, a really good way to do that is submit a false absentee ballot. there is evidence -- i'm a former prosecutor. that is really good way to get caught. if you look at the examples that are cited by the white house and the trump company campaign, they are small examples where people got caught. if you choose to vote in mail, or vote in person, there will be safe options, you can be certain your sloet be counted, as shut be. >> of all the reasons to end up in federal prison, faking a ballot seems to be the least beneficial. let's just say, the least

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the veepstakes are over. did you guess right? the speculation ended this week. joe biden announced that california senator kamala harris is his new running mate. a poll shows half of americans approve of that pick. a quarter disapprove. nearly half of registered voters call it an excellent or good decision. after the announcement, the bidbid

bid bid bid bid biden campaign raised $48348. joining us is joel payne, and the host of the podcast here comes the payne. mr. payne, you were on the program last week. i asked you to pick your favorite for the vice president, and last week you said this. what do you think is his best bet? >> i think the most joe biden thing to do for this cycle is pick someone like a kamala harris. >> and so, joe biden do did the most joe biden thing and picked camera harris. what say you? >> joe biden and his campaign re realized, after going around the mulberry bush and going on first dates and interviews, they realized for them to get to the finish line, they needed kamala

harris. they needed her to appeal to all the different parts of the democratic coalition, progressives, women, suburban women, african-american, she can do that and be a surrogate for the vice president. she already, in the first couple speaks this week, showed herself to be the person to deliver the cou counterpunch you need them to do. >> you had a piece in the times, annie, about the challenges that senator harris faced in her presidential run and how her vice presidential run might alleviate that. elaborate on that? >> yeah, first, it was wild to watch the democratic party come behind her so unanimously, progressives who are critical of her last year, silent, everyone who had questions about how she ran her campaign, very excited

to see her in in role. part of that is because democrats are getting ready to beat president trump. a4r9 of the problems that she had, she is in this role, biden's running mate, she ran a very uneven campaign. there is late of questions and fighting among her staffers. this will be taken over by biden staffers, in choosing here, the biden campaign was clear taking you on doesn't mean we are taking on your people too. there is a hesitancy about the problems, and dictating policy, she will be fully on board with the biden campaign's agenda, and at the end of the day, it will the be joe biden's agenda. if people like it, it will credit them.

if they don't like it, she will be shielded from that. she is in the support role. they have disappeared in part because of all the things that make her appearilegaling becaus politician. >> what about the other women who are on the supposed short list? what do you think comes of them? do they become candidates for cabinet posts? is that just a list that we want to entertain? >> yeah, there is elizabeth warren who is on the short list. one of the last four contenders, and there is of course susan rice, the national securitied a vidser who worked closely with joe biden, and they clashed a lot. it's not completely surprising she was not the chase.

but i think in terms of su san rice, who i studied closely, i think that she definitely will be a top contender and she has said she wants to run for office. and these are all people i think will stay in political life. in terms of the administration, not all of them want to do that. they probably want to stay in congress, and probably it will be susan rice. she will probably go back in the administration in some capacity. >> there is a saying that justice won't be served until those who are unaffected are as out raged as those who are. with that in mind, we should review this statement about whether kamala harris is qualified to be in an

administration. >> i heard it today. that she doesn't meet the requirements, and by the way, the lawyer that wrote that piece is a very highly qualified, very talented lawyer. i have no idea if that's right. i would have assumed the democrats would check that out before she is chosen to run for vice president. >> now, contrast that with what the president said, the line of inquiry, the line of thought, is not something he is going to pursue further. >> me, it doesn't bother me at all. i read one quick article. the lawyer is a brilliant lawyer. he wrote on article saying it can be a prom. >> whether he actually read the article of now, who knows. i doubt he was more brilliant than the founding fathers, and

that say kamala harris is qualified. but set that aside. how effective do you this they will be this time around compared to 2016? we're not quite the same country adds we were in terms of the views on race or a discussion of race as we were in 2016. >> yeah, that was a flop. the president's team flopped right out the gate this week tries to counter kamala harris. if i was a republican, there are things you can dig in to score points on kamala harris politically and start to position her as a tough candidate for joe biden to manage. but the president and his team are interested in that. they want to go to the gross attacks and it's funny to hear him talk about reading something. we know he doesn't read anything. the idea of him reading something is more laughable than the nonsense he claims. i think it's clear to me that the president and his team were caught completely flat footed

and the reason you see them reaching for nonsense and bull crap is because they have nothing on kamala harris. they can't position her as a superprogressive who is out of the main stream. because she's not. they can't question her qualifications because she's qualified. they have nothing, like they have nothing to answer for coronavirus and they have nothing to answer the crisis we're in. >> what about that? i don't mean to be the quote machine. but abraham hmaslow, when you have a hammer, everything around you looks like a nail. in 2016, it seemed to have worked. i'm not sure in if we should be remiss? >> i don't think we should say the trump campaign here. this is donald trump. this is what he is doing, and the trump campaign, they are

saying, they have a lot of money this time as opposed to four years ago, but the message will come from him. and they will execute on that message. i talked to campaign aides that week that want to attack her for being a far left person, that is a live cult argument to make about a candidate that processes, have a lot of problems with. never the less, it's a policy argument. out of the gate, we saw her being called nasty, angry, a top campaign aide comparing her voice to marge simpson online. >> and marge simpson responded! that killed me for the week, she said something back. >> we shouldn't say that. the president is doing that and they will follow the lead. >> i have to say, more than the trump campaign is doing this,

and all due respect to annie. it's republican surrogates across the country. the republican establishment has bought into it i think me has a bunch of siycophants with him. >> i think the message drk. >> say again. >> when it comes to the campaign message, they are executing on that. >> i take your point, dealing with progressives and moderates, having been a district attorney, from oakland, she is used to the political dynamic. i think she will be propped for that. good to have you with us tonight. thanks very much. coming up, our earth is in trouble. states across the country are bad thing environmental crisis. the epa is rolling back regulations. we will take stock of it next. w.

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the environment made a lot of news this week. more than 3 million people are under excessive heat watches in krav k california and the southwest. california is dealing with wildfires. one has burned more than 14,000 acres. in colorado, the grizzly creek fire has burned 19,000 acres and in massachusetts, the department of energy and affaired declared

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talking about it, as a layman, am i saying anything that strikes you as wrong? >> the only thing strange is you're the only one saying it. >> as president trump continues to dismantle environmental regulations, it's not just environmentalists who are speaking up. oil companies like shell and bp have asked the president to keep in place the rules to monitor and repair meth thaane leaks. joining us now is rebecca leeber from mother jones. welcome. >> thanks for having me. >> the change in the methane regulations, we mentioned they reached their highest recorded levels ever, where does it leave us in terms of the impact on environment? >> methane emissions are a

potent source for greenhouse gases, and after carbon -- methane coming from a number of different sources,ing a ra culture, and oil and gas, and the trump trags, particularly at the oil and gas sector, to ensure higher methane emissions. >> six former epa heads are calling for a reset of agency after the election, if joe biden wins. he says he will reverse all the roll backs that president trump has made during his term in office. that seems fairly feasible because regulations, a few of them, don't change insta instantaneously. they would have to go through a long process to change, right? >> right. the important thing to remember about it is the damage will

outlast the trump administration. if trump is elected in a second term, it will take a lot of time for biden and his appointees to go through the steps to reverse his roll back, and on top of that, the court battles, and the damage that trump has done to places like the epa, and the department of interor. that will take years to undo and return science. >> so let me ask that question, i ended the last segment with. are we done? is there anything left for us to do? what is your sense of what the experts say? terms of our chances of winning the fight on climate change? is it just too late for us right now? are we done? >> well, it's never too late. this is a really important time, the next few decades to bring down climate emissions significantly to fight the

crisis. but it's something you pointed out early on. even companies are against some of the roll backs. so the economy and the markets are farther ahead to where trump is dragging us to. there is a progress despite what trump is doing. progress at the state and national level, and international leg. there is hope there is progress and we will see what happens with the election if we return to science-based regulations. so there's -- it is really important battle. because -- and you don't know how -- how much we will aggressively address emissions. but it's methane and carbon from cars and oil and gas, really important to target here. >> before i let you go, i have to ask you about something the president said this week about his hair. listen.

>> you turn on the faucet, you don't get water. people are flushing toilets ten times, 15 times, as opposed to once. they end up losing more water. the shower heads. you take a shower, you just stand there longer. you take a shower longer. because my hair, i don't know about you, but it has to be perfect. >> this story felt very frivolous. because he asked the department to lift requirements on shower heads, so on to be water efficient. personally, i think it's a bigger deal because the most effective things we can do are governmental. if all of us bought come pablgt bulbs and drove a tesla, it's not going to do anything unless all the governments work together. >> trump is making the products more efficient. the shower head rule, it seems

pr frivolous, it's an example of the trends with cars and sources we rely on that trump is making them more inefficient and costing them measure. you're right. >> you're right. >> rebecca, thanks very much. >> thanks for having me. >> we have much more to come in the next hour, including the president's latest attacks on mail-in voting and the state of the postal service. and how kamala harris might impact the democratic ticket. and two days to the democratic national convention. and speaking of which, you can keep it here for live special coverage of the dnc. that is what the music means. it runs monday through thursday. join us each night starting here at 7:00 eastern on msnbc. okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!!

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hello there, i'm joshua johnson in nbc news headquarters in new york. just ahead, sex and politics is a hot topic. today the president is blaming democrats for what his administration is doing to the postal service. it could affect your mail-in ballot. also delaying the payroll tax may have consequences, and another milestone. the end of what we hope is the last world war.

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