hello there, i'm joshua johnson in nbc news headquarters in new york. just ahead, sex and politics is a hot topic. today the president is blaming democrats for what his administration is doing to the postal service. it could affect your mail-in ballot. also delaying the payroll tax may have consequences, and another milestone. the end of what we hope is the last world war. the first, we are just 48

urs to start the democratic national convention. just like 2020, it will be a bit different this year, it will be virtual for two hours every night. it will be the most diverse crowd to speak, including two dozen women, including kamala harris. the first woman of color to be nominated for a major party's ticket. she says joe biden deserves credit to make it happen. >> joe biden had the audacity to choose a black woman to be a running mate. how incredible is that? and what a 1245i789 statement t about joe biden. that he decided he was going to do that thing that was about breaking one of the most substantial barriers that has existed in our country. and that he made that decision with whatever risk that brings. >> harris is the child of

immigrants. she is already facing what the first black president faced in his candidacy. the racist lie push bid some and certainly not refuted by the president, that harris is not eligible, despite the fact she was born in oakland, california. she is unquestionably eligible to be vice president or even president. the magazine apologized for the article questions her citizenship. the president failed to say definitively if he believed that kamala harris is eligible. >> i don't know about it. >> mr. president, you know. >> don't tell me what i know. let me put it differently. to me, it doesn't bother me at all. i don't know about it.

i read one quick article. the lawyer happens to be a brilliant lawyer, as you probably know. he wrote an article saying it's a prom. >> is she eligible, sir? >> i told you, i have not gone in great detail. you would have thought she would have been vetted. >> plenty to discuss with the lawyer. joining me is amelia rivera, and form former strategist, and betsy swan is a national correspondent and msnbc contributor. amelia, let me start with you. does not surprise me coming from trump. he said it about barack obama. he used racist rhetoric and dog whistles in his campaign and as president. this does not surprise me.

what do you make of it? >> this is consistent with the campaign he is running. it's a white nationalist campaign and whether it's a racist attack, or something else, we should continue to expect more of the same from the president. and i think the apology, on dehalf of the outlets that put that out, is really an example, let's not wait for the apology, let's have a bigger standard, so we're not bading and giving more information and the attacks that trump has made clear, this is how he wants to try to win the election. >> betsy, what do you make of the way that democrats have or have not responded to this? i haven't heard a full throated response from the democratic party, a statement from tom perez, the party chair and the different leaders, denouncing this, it almost feels like there's a sense of, oh, this

again. we heard this before. >> i think that's probably right. it's one thing for a magazine to public an op-ed that on its base is totally ridiculous and offensive. but it's another thing for the president from the white house to dignify the nonsense suggesting it somehow deserves to be taken seriously. so once it reaches the level of the president himself saying these claims and these allegations deserve to be taken seriously, people should keep an eye out for the camera parts, and the top democratic party officials to speak out and say this isn't okay, that said to your point, this is definitely something that is extreme in character for the president. it's very much consistent with how he leaved his public life n and out of government, and i think there's no question that

democrats, looking at the way he handled this particular episode is likely this type of activity from the president, this rhetoric, continues. >> lauren, how do you think this will play this time around? america has gone through a lot culture culturally in the last four years. i think the access hollywood tape would play differently with the me too movement. and i think the rhetoric about mexico sending crime, drugs, rapists and some i assume are great people. would play differently in an america where people are thinking rerace. and you have white americans saying that race is a problem. how do you think it will play? >> he absolutely used rhetoric of race and the rhetoric of false information through the 2016 election. we know how much false information, not only that he used in order to smear his opponents but used by foreign

actors on social media. i think what the news -- first, we're in for 80 plus more days of exactly these stories. because this is what the president does. this is how the news cycles start to go. someone says something false. somebody asks the president what he thinks and he refuses to deny it and we are talking about it and it winds up being part of the news cycle. the problem is, yes, we have made huge progress since me too. many of the journalists who were part of the on going sexism that was part in parcel for the coverage in 2016, many of them are no longer in their jobs. on the other hand, when you see what happens with news week, it makes clear that newsrooms failed to be as diverse as they should be. we have a dramatic under representation of women, people of color, so when you have a lack of representation in the

editorial space, it means this stuff gets through. it's inexcusable that "newsweek" public this week, but we will see more of this. we have to, not only the media but a society, shut it down the second the smears pop up. >> with regards to diversity, the dnc. we saw a list of speaker, the key speakers, what do you think of the mix? there we see some of the women who will be speaking at the virtual convention. what do you think of just the mix of the people who are on the agenda next week? >> well, i think the mix really represents a mix of geography, the democratic party, an important part of how democrats need to win not just on election day but the next 80 election days. that is the environment we found ourselves in right now. but i think one thing that is important for the dnc to remember, there is also a lot

more speak thears should be on that stage, and there is only so much. and how they are using digital and phone lines and how they are using other activities to get out the message from congresswoman pressley and others that represent the future of the party also. and i think the stage that we're going to be seeing next week will be one of the most diverse and it reflects the progress the party has made and the party will be making a decision on the platform on -- over the course of next week. it's really going to show a commitment of the direction we're going to be going. i think the larger platform, they will talk to the country. this is a real important factor. they understand that while we're doing the business of the party during the day, we also need to make sure that we are speaking to the rest of the country in the evening and that we use, like i said, other platforms,

digital or tv to make sure we are spreading the message. >> with regards to that, what do you think that message will be like? there will be plenty of fodder for democrats to attack president trump on. but if i was president trump, i would try to control that narrative as much as possible. he will be traveling to four states while the dnc is going on. he will be in wisconsin, and pennsylvania. if i want to the control the narrative of the dnc and i was him, i would say the outrageous things i would want to talk about. perhaps to lauren's point where we place our attention. it 58 most feels like president trump might have a little bit of power to write the script of the dnc for them. >> and the president relishes nothing more than engaging and counterprogramming. any time there is a shift of the media spotlight away from what

he is doing and the white house, if that coverage was deeply unfavorable, any time the shift happens, he tries to do something to bring the cameras back to him. remember, it was during the convention in 2016 that trump gave his now infamous remarks, that says, russia, if you're listening, please release hillary clinton's emails. it was one of the most stunning moment of 2016 and it created infinite headaches for republicans going forward. that happened because trump, candidate trump, was frustrated he wasn't getting the media attention he wanted. he knows it is very much the way he engages in politicking. he watches cable news constantly. he is the most television and media obsessed president we had in the history of the country. and the fact the democrats are going to have this moment in the

spotlight, predicted to be a moment of significant unity for the party, is likely to bring out the most controversial side of him. >> lauren, what about the people who will be speaking? the presence of the women speaking, on the virtual dias. and he said he would pick a woman of color, which he said he could do and has done. how does it go to the convention? >> i was chuckling. trump says, trump, are you listening? we have to say, anything we say can wind up in his twitter feed 20 minutes later. keep that in mind, ladies, if you have suggestions. i think, look, the reality is that the democratic party for many years has been trying to

convey what is the truth about who they are, and the democratic party is about diversity. at a time we see a lack of diversity, we are down to just 13 people in conditioning. some of the narrative has been at the expense of the progress on diversity, the respenonse to the george floyd, and the indictment of maxwell in the case against jeffrey epstein. so every turn, the president has painted himself in the progress of diversity, and against yale university and i think part of what the democrats are going to try to do, and have been doing for years is saying we are america. the republican party is clearly going to be a big part of the story. but it's a fine line.

they are trying to attract the independent voter and republicans in the swing states who are going to be critical. it's going to be a fascinating dance to see how they play it out. >> before we go, what do they say, the dnc is getting democrats to vote for joe biden. and getting them to close gaps, and when you think the dnc should be needing to convey to independents and to republicans? >> yeah, absolutely. look, i think one thing to understand, while they are trying to -- they are trying to appeal to moderates the persuasion window has up ended what the elections are going to look like, but what the voting low could ligs calition can loo. and republican women, and seniors are moving, and they

have been moving since 2016, and in this environment, we have to remember, where are we going to be? october? and the way we could be voting. and a message that is focused on empathy and equity. we cannot talk about unity in a time that people are not living that. we have to speak -- that is important. and the speaker lineup we have can speak to that. we have to be frank about the trust we have and the empathy that is needed to rebuild that again. that is where we find ourselves. we don't have consensus on the truth and trump knows how to take it and exploit plothat. i think the democrats need to really understand how they measure their message on empathy and equity. >> i appreciate you making time

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how are you going to vote? p nern, absentee or by mail? that is a trick question. did you catch it? this evening, president trump repeated hiss claim that he does not oppose voting by mail outright. the president says he only opposes certain kinds of mail-in ballots. >> absentee voting is great. you request -- i'm an absentee voter. i request, i got it and it works out well. absentee is good. mail-in universal is very, very bad. >> the argument is confusing for a few reasons. let's just clarify.

say you're unable to physically get to your assigned polling place, injured, out of town. you can't take time of work. since youm be absent from the polls, you can ask for an absentee ballot from the mail. this is not a new system. we are been doing it since the civil war. according to the national conference of state legislatures, 34 states and washington, d.c. do not require to you state a reason. five require to you vote titlely by mail. it's all mail-in voting. yeah, trick question. president trump has also said that mail-no voting could delay the results of the election for months. maybe years. it's worth noting that according to the 20th amendment, the terms of the president and vice president end on january 20th at noon eastern sharp. if mr. trump's dire prediction

came true, the next person in order of succession would be president. and if it's not resolved by then, the next person would be house speaker nancy pelosi. next is chuck grassley of iowa. joining us is natasha brown, co-founder of the black voters matter fund. good evening. >> good evening. good to see you. >> what do you make of the rhetoric of absentee versus mail-in, and i won't give him money for coronavirus. this is connected to a larger coronavirus relief package. the president went on fox business this week and laid out his side of the argument. here is part of what he said. >> they want $25 billion,

billion, for the post office. now, they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take millions and millions of ballots. now n the meantime, they aren't getting there. by the way, they are just two items. it means you can't have universal mail-in voting. they are not equipped to have it. >> he has laid it all bare. where does it lead us? thmpblts a failed impeached, corrupt president that knows he is not going well in the polls. he can see the writing on the walls and he can sense the new energy around the biden-harris ticket, and is base cliically s, he is willing to go to extents to steal this election. we as citizens, we have to demand from congress folks they put a stop to it now, because affecting the postal service isn't just about the vote. it's also millions of people get

their medicine, they get resources, we need mail service to be efficient and effective. him disrupting it is against what i think is the rights we have as citizens, to actually disrupt the systems intentionally for his own personal benefit. so when we look at the things he is doing, one, we know the postmaster he has put in office was his donor. in addition to that, some of the things that are going on in the postal service is high impact of the sorting machines. they are actually moving post drop off boxes. looking at the stop over time for the post employees. they are telling folks that -- they are telling the postal workers, not the same delivery. if we get back, we know that is a backlog. all these things are happening in the postal service that is driven by one of his donors.

so we see the writing on the wall. >> what do you see happening with this? what you just expressed now. here is part of what she said about this. >> the president has made clear that he is holding this money hostage. because he does not support mail-no voting. think about that. think about it. it's one of the most undemocratic actions i can think of. and he is admitting it. >> before we have to move on, natasha, since congress has log jammed on the coronavirus relief bill, what needs to be done to get out of the log jam? is there anything they can do? >> think they should call back to session. there has to be koconsequences, there has to be hearings

immediately to get to the bottom of this. and to tie in his own personal fear of losing the white house, which he will lose the white house. i am convinced of that. he is willing to disrupt of lives in a moment we actually need the post service. we're in a pandemic. many people are getting their necessary needs from the mail. we have to get an end to this immediately. we have to put pressure on the post service. we need to be complaining right now. >>s that natasha brown, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. the president says he wants to cut payroll taxes, cut them altogether. are the savings worth it? itand. granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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economic recovery in american history. that is because the foundation we set previously before the virus came and hit our shore, the foundation was so strong. we had such a strong foundation, that we are recovering much master. it will be a very, very strong v. >> despite what president trump said today, tens of millions of americans are struggling to pay the rent or put food on the table. congress passed a relief bill. the negotiations over hundreds of dollars a week in unemployment benefits. the two parties fail to find common ground. now, congress is out of session for the august recess. the members are on break until after labor day. last week, president trump signed an order to defer payroll taxes. it will put more money in your pocket. it will put social security and medicare in jeopardy because

that is what the taxes pay for. now the administration's messages has shifted. first, it was a deferral that lets companies delay taxes for months. then, it will cut them and they could require approval from congress. and yesterday, it was the 85th anniversary of the social security act. msnbc's david gora now with more. you can explain to us what the plan is that the president is talking about? and what it is that he claims it would do to help us through this tough time? >> yeah, joshua, you're right. how confusing the last week has been since the president made this announcement, what he has put forth in this executive action, the deferral of the payroll tax. you put 6.2% on and the the

employer matches it as well. deferring it, it's not saying you don't have to pay it. and a lot of people will think they don't have to pay the taxes. now, they might have the more money, might have more money in the paychecks but come 2021 under what the white house has put forward, they're going to owe that money. that is causing all of this confusion, to the second part of your question, what the president is thinking, well, you will put it in the economy and really, it will cause a lot of people, employers and employees to wonder should they will spending the money, withholding the money, or keeps it in escrow, and that will reduce the stim la tif effects. >> is it supposed to be a solution to help the economy get back where it's supposed to be? >> in theory that is what the president thinks it will do. i naught question to the senior

fellow at the tax policy center, a tax guy. he believes a lot in the power of taxation. i said what kind of difference will it make? and here is what he told me. take a listen. >> the solution to the current economic crisis is not going to come from the tax code. if we want to get people back to work, and we want to get people consuming again, we have to get the pandemic under control. this is a public health problem. it's not an economic problem. the economy is a symptom of what is a historic public health problem. >> joshua, he is making a point that a lot of economists have made. you have to get them to approve the economy, and he said if you're making $40,000 a year, this might add 50, 60 dollars to a paycheck, and will have to pay it again in 2021.

that is not inconsistent to someone who is making that amount of money. but again, it's not as if that money is going to away, as much as the president would like that to be the case. back in 2011, 2012, will there was a 2% reduction to the payroll tax. it could have a stimulative effect. >> is it more just politics? it was almost instantaneous when he signed the four orders that democrats in congress have said, no, you don't have the power to do any of this. >> so, from talking to experts, i understand this is -- might not be good policy but it is policy that the president is able to implement. he can't implement a tax cut but he can make tax cuts and ask for

deferments like the one he asked for in the executive action. what makes it so confusing, you couple it with the rhetoric that we heard from the president this week, he talked about his desire to do away from payroll taxes and rhetoric we heard from the last manyth ins and years. he is someone who would like to get rid of payroll taxes in. that is not something that is instep with most republicans on capitol hill. you're right in pointing out, as you listen to his own party and democrats as well, there is a lot of distaste or distrust going down this road. they don't want to to happen. if it were to go in effect, it would have a devastating effect on the social welfare programs that are in jeopardy when you look at them in the long term. they will be implementing a policy that will take money away from them. >> msnbc's david gora, thanks. good to see you. >> thanks.

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trump is also the reason millions of americans are now unemployed. he inherited the longest economic expansion in history. from barack obama and joe biden. and then, like everything else

he inherited, he ran it straight into the ground. because of trump's failures of leadership, our economy has taken one of the biggest hits out of all the industrialized countries, it has tripled. this is what happens when we elect a guy who is not up for the job. >> kamala harris speaking in her first address as joe biden's first official running mate. this a big week of major developments, and the fight against covid-19. this week has given us plenty to talk about in sports, and in pop culture. let's take a minute to touch on a few stories you might have missed. major college football conferences hanging up their helmets a plea to protect ryan

reynolds' mom who is a cougar and the disappearance of dr pepper. joining me now is host of stand up with pete dominic, and britney cooper, a professor of africana studies, and let me start with you, pete, college football. the big ten and pac 12 college football conferences announced they will not be playing this fall. they will re-evaluate this spring. a number of students who do not want to take the year off have been posting we want to play. justin field from ohio state leading that push. what do you make of the cancellations? >> i this they are absolutely necessary. but two things can be true at once. we can be acedy pointed by events and things that we want to the watch being canceled. i don't have a lot of sympathy

for the athletes or the fans. i'm a stand up traveling around the country. i do speaking events, hosting and fund-raising. you know what? that is gone. it's gone. i had to adapt. i took my podcast every day. my wife is teaching virtually. you have to adapt. the athletes, marching band members, you have a once in a lifetime student rig lifetime opportunity right now. learn how to be a poll worker. they should volunteer at the polls, find purpose that way. it's a crucial time for hur country. it stinks but this is where we're at, and everybody has to adapt and try to do something good in this case, yes, and amen to being a poll worker. absolutely. absolutely. professor cooper, there is a lot made lately about young people and the role they are or are not playing in trying to control the pandemic. actor ryan reynolds who played

"deadpool" was called on by the premier of british columbia, basically, the governor, called on ryan reynolds to try to help out and reaching young people and try to get them to be more a part of the solution. here is the call for help and here is ryan reynolds' response. >> i have been talking about the importance of making sure that younger demographics are hearing the message. this is a call out to dead pool now. ryan, get in touch with us. my number is on the internet. >> hey, premier, ryan reynolds here. i got your message about the thing. i'm not sure it's a great idea, frankly. people don't -- i don't think they want medical avise from guys like me. young folks in bc, yeah, they're partying. they don't know that thousands

are young people are getting sick from accounts," thcoronavi are dying from it too. and bc is home to some of the coolest older people on earth. my mom doesn't want to be cooped up in her apartment. she wants to be cruising the beach looking for some young 30 something young abercrombie to go on. i hope that young people in bc don't kill my mom, frankly, or david suzuki. >> aside from he is advocating for his mom and he cougarish ways, let's set that aside. i'm not against this. i think the more people who are able to send that message, the better. and who knows which pop culture

figure will get somebody to think, yeah this is childish. i need to do something different. >> yeah, all hands on deck at this point. we have had a 235failure of national leadership. i teach at rutgers. we had an outbreak, and i taulgt at an s.e.c. stool. i just keep thinking, we have parts of the country that really get this and other parts that don't. where we have young people who are moving in dorms this weekend. i have seen dorm pictures, and as a professor, a person who is like, don't kill my mom. my parents live down south, yeah, i'm with ryan reynolds all the way. but i'm wondering how we get to some clear messaging about this. and one of the things we have done wrong, we haven't spoken to people's mental health. part of what young people are saying, they need connection. they don't know how to cope with this massive shift. they don't have the mental

resources to do that. we keep expecting folks to be adults in the room. we can't keep restricts, restricting, restricting, without having a national conversation about how people are supposed to cope. what does it look like to be healthy? my hope goes out to young people. and our argument, we want to you be able to have full lives. don't risk it all for one year of parties and connecting with your friends. if you hang in this year, next year, things can open back up. >> britney cooper, pete dominic, thanks very much. before we go, we learned many lessons in world war ii. how much are we able out to for? ? we're always here to help you focus on your health. because it's always, time for care. ♪

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i'm guessing you've heard that old quote about those who don't know the past being doomed to repeat it. that is especially relevant, tonight. on this date, in 1945, world war ii ended. today marks 75 years since the empire of japan surrendered on what came to be known as victory in japan day. but often, misquoted and rarely taken in full context. the exact quote is, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. not just general knowledge, but living memory. this week, we heard a lot from survivors of the war. americans, japanese, and others. that they fear we will forget its hard-earned lessons. and with everything going on today, it's easy to see why we must never forget. this was a war against ideologies. especially, the genocidal hatred of the nazi regime. that hatred, once, had support in this country, where american nazis rallying, repeatedly, in

madison square garden. as the nazis ran concentration camps, the u.s. ran internment camps. about 112,000 people were sent to what the government called relocation centers, held on suspicion of aiding our enemies. today, the antidefamation league is noting a rise in extremism across social media that includes on the mobile app, tik tok. we won on the homefront, as well. from planting victory gardens to buying bonds. few women thought they would end up working in factories, in their husbands' places. but good luck telling rosie not to be a riveter. these days, good luck telling the country to socially distance or even to wear a mask. one man working at an amusement park outside philadelphia ended up in surgery after a couple allegedly punched him. the apparent reason? he reminded them that they had

to wear a mask in the park. add to that, the cynicism some americans are expressing over the science behind our fight against covid-19, including what it would take to overcome the pandemic. america used to revere scientists for pushing our nation forward, including during the war. technology made us victors. from the atomic bomb, to the computer invented by alan touring. that computer was the forerunner to every digital device we have. there is another historical lesson for us there. honoring those who sacrificed for our safety and our freedom. we are all touched by the legacy of the greatest generation, myself included. my late uncle, king wright, and, yes, king was his first name. he was honorably discharged as a staff sergeant. then, served his country again with a long career in another noble institution. the united states postal

service. gis like uncle wright, tuskegee airmen and others knew they would have to prove themselves. some would question whether they were qualified to be there, in the first place. and now, senator kamala harris is the latest high-profile target of birtherism. as if she had to prove her qualification to run for vice president. building a more perfect union requires us to face who we are, at our best and our worst. which brings us back to that famous quote. both, warning us that we cannot own the future if we will not own our past. so, here's that quote, again. this time, in context. progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. when change is absolute, there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement. and when experience is not retained, as among savages,

infancy is perpetual. those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. we'd love to hear from you. how does the legacy of world war ii impact you, today? maybe, there are veterans in your family, whose stories you are trying to preserve. perhaps, you're preserving your own war story. or maybe, you're advocating against an anti-semitism. be sure to include your name, where you live, and if you served, tell us where. we will share some of your stories tomorrow night. thank you so much for making time for us tonight. i will see you tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern. but, until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. stay safe. stay sharp. and stay tuned. t"the rachel maddow show" is net on msnbc. good night. how" is next on msnbc good night

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