. i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you. every vote counts but will year vote be counted? what will they ask and what will they do. the chair of the committee joins us live. this will be a big week in politics with the democratic national convention starting tomorrow. also nert kamala harris responded to president trump's latest attacks. and the plan for protecting the portfolio service. >> let us begin with the fight over mail-in voting. the oversight committee is the

house's top investigative arm. that committee's been busy. today the chair woman issued subpoenas for the post master general. lewis lajoie being ordered to appear at a hearing one week from tomorrow. t it has been dismantling mail sorting machines and removing mailboxes around the country. that last part seems to be on hoeshlgsd at least for now. this afternoon, the usps release add statement that reads in part, quote, given the recent customer concerns, the postal service will remove the boxes for 90 days while we evaluate our customers' concerns. end quote. . >> you never know when the elections are over. we are going to have an election that takes place on a beautiful day, november 3rd, and usually at the end of the evening, they

say donald trump has won the election. donald trump is your new president. whatever they say. you know what? you're not going to know this possibly, if you really did it right, for months or for years. >> the president has made no secret of his desire to advance his re-election by impeding voting by mail. polls continue to show mr. trump has a lot of ground to make up before november. the latest poll out today shows joe biden leading the president nationally by nine points. 50% to 41%. >> they know when we vote, things change. when we vote, we get the voting rights act and the civil rights act and the fair housing act. let's remember why they don't want us to vote. it is because that is a wray to strip us of the power of our voices. >> and we learn tonight that house democrats are about to cut their vacations short. house speaker nancy pelosi told

neighbors this week, the house will be called back from recess. members plan to vote on chairwoman maloney's bill, the delivering for america act. it would lock the postal service into the same level of operation it had at the beginning of the year. carolyn maloney joins us. congresswoman, thanks for being here. >> it's an important day. a lot is happening. >> it is. let me catch you up. who all has been subpoenaed to appear before your committee next monday? >> first, there is no subpoena at this point. an invitation has been sent to the post master general to appear before our committee on august 24th. we also sent him a 10-page-long letter. it's on the website of the committee of government reform.

asking specific questions on why he took actions that would slow down the mail, removing post offices, boxes, removing equipment, denying overtime. when you have a surge of mail, you need overtime for it. and limiting the amount of deliveries from the processing centers to only one a day. now, the leadership of the union tells me that already he has reports in the new york metropolitan area that this is slowing down the mail of five to six days. we have an emergency. we're acting on it. and he has got to have answers for us on august 24th. he has not turned down our invitation. we expect him to accept it. >> but you haven't heard back yet? >> we have not. we should hear on monday. >> what do you hope to accomplish with the hearing that will lead to change with the

postal service. i understand there are general attorneys who are prepared to sue. what would you like to see happen after the hearing. >> there have been suits, inspector general investigation that are announced on it, and we have had many, many actions. the president said that he would reverse his position that he would not receive the 25 billion that the president's own board of governors have said is needed for the post office to make up for the coronavirus interruption. so we have a bill -- my bill that would reverse all of hissings, speaker pelosi is calling us in to vote this week on the 25 billion and on reversing these actions that should not take place in the middle of a coronavirus crisis and several weeks before a very important vote in our country for the president of the united

states. so we want to reverse thesings. it should be a bipartisan -- the post office is by partisan. it's a pillar of our democracy. it's in our constitution. i expect to have bipartisan support on the vote. there's bipartisan support for my bill and the president says he's reversing his position and supporting the funding, which is good news. let's fund the payoffs, reverse all these terrible actions and go for it in a positive way. >> how hopeful are you? you said the payoffs is bipartisan but we haven't heard many republican representatives that this is wrong. mitch mcconnell will say you know what, speaker pelosi, let's get back to work and empanel the senate to pass legislation. it also feels this could be a game of whack-a-mole.

if something the president has done to improve his chances of election, i'm pretty sure this boopt the last thing he will try. how optimistic ares you, really, that democrats do anything about this other than push to vote him out? >> well, i would say that as kamala harris just said, we are empowered with the vote. we will use that vote. we have put forward what'd we are confronting in this nation now. the american people should speak out to their members of congress and senators and make sure that they vote to fund the payoffs. it belongs to the american people. joshua, we have funded so many businesses and we've had all kinds of programs for all kinds of agencies and everything else. why not the payoffs? it even preceded our constitution, and it's important now more than every.

people, americans depend on it for their medications, social security checks, stimulus checks and their mail-in battllots. support the payoffs in their work, not undermine them by slowing it down. my bill would reverse these slow-down actions and return it to the standard that was there before. let's support the payoffs, the people need it, it belongs to the people. i believe the american people will vote for people who support the payoffs. that's what my legislation does. hopefully, the president says he spores the funding. let's give him the funding. let him sign it into law. >> congresswoman carolyn maloney of new york, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> joining for us for analysis,

beth fui and koermd for yahoo news. i wonder what you made of what the chair woman told us about what the plan is going forward from here, particularly based on whether or not congress is able to actually get anything done? if the coronavirus relief negotiations are any indicator, it looks slim. >> yeah. but this is going to be different, i think, joshua. the congresswoman who is chairing the committee, the one you just had on is taking a personal stand as is nancy pelosi. we may not see the holdup we typically see in these types of situations, ie, the coronavirus bill you mentioned. people in the united states depend on the payoffs just as much as they do in blue starkts perhaps more. they represent rural people. rural people depend on the payoffs more than anybody else the country. there's not going to be a lot of

acceptance among the republican senators for any sort of shenanigans around delaying mail. even though we may not see a lot of people speaking up publicly at this point, that doesn't mean they're going to sit by and let this happen. this is going to be something that mitch mcconnell will be pulled into much more forcefully than other items that require spending, but that the senate can just block. it's that urgent. >> hunter, what's your sense of how the white house is reacting to nancy pelosi's call to get a vote on chair woman maloney's bill and for the request for the post master general to testify. >> the white house is saying move along, nothing to see here. mail sorting machines are not going to be shut down before the election, and nothing is really going on that wasn't going on before. but one of the things that's really disingenuous about this,

you've seen meadows say the president wants everyone to be able to vote by mail. don't believe your lying eyes, orwellian, asking you to forget. every false attack, claiming false evidence of voter fraud that the president's made in the past couple of months. i think you hit the head on the nail, joshua, at the end of the interview with congresswoman malone any, if the president sees this as a campaign thread and he wants to curb this, this isn't going to be the end of this. i think whether this is rhetorical, whether this is the post master changing practices in the usps year seeing an efrlt to at the least undermine the outcome of the election. >> i should read a tweet that came through. senator susan collins just tweeted "the senate should return this week to consider a covid-19 pamg that includes the

postal service emergency assistance act. a bill which would provide usps with up to $25 billion to cover losses or operational expenses resulting from covid-19, unquote. that's from senator susan collins from maine that she tweeted out just about 15 or 20 minutes ago. beth, let me ask you about the dnc. it starts on monday, our coverage begins monday evening. what in the terms of this hybrid event, definitely not going to have the same kind of gigantic arena and delegates from states saying the great state of minnesota pledges its dell gans for the next united states -- that's not happening but what's your assessment of how they will make sure the convention always does and what the convention needs to do this year in everything going on in 2020?

>> the convention has been a big tv show, basically. they go to the parties and so on. what most american people is what they see on the tv each night, a very carefully produced tv show. that's what they're going to see this time as well, particularly on the democratic side. as you remember, democrats decided months ago that most of the convention was going to be virtual, recognizing the threat of the virus and couldn't bring people together physically at the convention in a conventional way. they've worked on this for quite some time of a tv event, a streaming event that will show up on people's tvs. it could be produced well and look great. the republican convention is coming together so late. president trump wanted a physical in-person convention, was pushing for it. he only abandoned that idea a few weeks ago. it's left the republicans

scramble a little bit. certainly, the pressure will be on democrats to show how they can do this, make it a compelling piece of tv for viewers whol tune in. the big speeches from kamala harris and joe biden, there's going to be a lot of pressure on them. they are stepping out for the first time with this level of visibility, so people will be watching. >> appreciate you both being with us. thanks very much. there is much more ahead on msnbc. we'll continue our preview of the democratic national convention with james clyburn of south carolina. we'll get kamala harris's thoughts on first week as the running mate and the crisis at the postal service. and the fight against coronavirus. you'll meet the scientists in wuhan china at the center of the controversy. how to they respond to president trump's attacks and the claims that they were carolinas in handling the virus? in

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they're going to enkbaj in lies and deception. they're going to engage in an attempt to distract from the real issues that are impacting the middle eastern peopwestern . i predict versus going to be a knock-down-drag-out. and we're ready. tomorrow night democrats will kick off the convention, albeit not the way anyone had hoped. speakers will include senator bernie sanders and former first lady michelle obama. in our latest nbc news-wall street jury room poll two out of five americans say they have a favorable view of her. the that's a better positive to negative than joe biden has.

he will speak during the convention. congressman, good evening. >> thank you very much for having me. >> what is your sense of how the convention is going to message itself this weekend in terms of making the case for joe biden and kamala harris rather than dwelling on making the case against donald trump and mike pence? where's the balance? >> i think you're exactly right. that's what we're going to spend our time doing. i think donald trump is doing a good job telling the people himself why he should not be in the office. we're going to be spending this week getting people to know exactly who and what joe biden is and what his administration will mean to them, to their families and to their communities. we know that the country is at a inflexion point and we have to let people know exactly where we will take the country, if

allowed, the presidency. i think that joe and kamala are up to the task and i think they're going to demonstrate very well on wednesday evening and thursday evening exactly why they should be elected. we'll lay the predicate on monday and tuesday nights, but i think on wednesday night and thursday night, they will connect with the american people and i think the american people will be very pleased with what they see and hear. >> when it comes to winning over independent or undecided voters, where do you think senator harris fits into the strategy to win them over? >> i'd say she fits really within that. you know, when i was out there during the primaries, even early on when she was still very active in the primaries, i'd run across people who would tell me they were very interested in a ticket of biden and harris. that was very early in the campaign. and i think one of the reasons

she's never got the kind of traction that a lot of people thought she could get is because people always saw her in this role that joe biden has put her in. i think that that is going to be a very, very attractive duo for the american people. told somebody earlier, i am reminded, victor hugo's adage, nothing more powerful in all the world than an idea whose time has come and i believe that that is what's going to make this ticket so powerful, is that having kamala harris on this ticket is an idea whose time has come, and no matter what this president does, he will not be able to start this. the armies will not be able to stop this. we're going to win this election. >> before i let you go, i have to ask you to about the survegs portfolio service. there's a request for the post

master general to testify in the hearing a week from tomorrow. this is connected to the negotiations over a coronavirus relief bill. this money was supposed to be part of that. there's talk of trying to cleave it off and doing a payoffs bill and then a coronavirus bill. nothing has moved forward. seems like both sides remain at loggerheads. what leverage do democrats have here? it seems like as long as president trump goes, nope, don't like it, no, there's nowhere for anything to go. what leverage do democrats have in. >> well, we have any leverage. democrats control the house. we're one third of the equation. the republicans control senate. that's the second third. the third third is in the white house. so the fact of the matter is we have to depend upon the public to weigh in on this. people who want the post office to continue to operate as efficiently and effectively as

it possibly can will have to weigh in. this president really doesn't care that he really doesn't mind people not being able to get their medications. he doesn't care whether or not they get their support checks on time. he only thinks about himself. so nancy pelosi, right, she's going toably us back. we're going back. we're going to pass another piece of legislation. just remember, the house passed the heroes act 11 weeks ago and we have all of this money there in order to make sure that people can vote on time and have their votes counted. so maybe between now and saturday or whatever we get back, we will get some support from the american people to demonstrate to mitch mcconnell that he should bring the senate back and they should vote to do this and then should be prepared to override this president's veto if that's what comes from him. >> congressman jim clieber,

thanks for talking to you. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> you will meet the researchers in wuhan china leading the hunt for a vaccine. how do they respond to claims of carelessness in the lab and president trump's claims that they are responsible for the pandemic. that's an msnbc exclusive straight ahead. stick close. e straight ahead stick close. ♪ ♪ and we always will. ♪ ♪ for people. ♪ ♪ for the future. ♪ ♪ and there has never been a summer when it's mattered more. wherever you go, summer safely. get 0% apr financing for up to five years on select models and exclusive lease offers.

>> did covid-19 briefly come from a lab in wu than china? president trump says he's seen proof that it did. nksz is the first nonchinese news organization allowed inside the wu than night of virology. the facility and the scientists have become the focus of intense speculation. some believe the virus was leaked. a few claim it was released on purpose like a bep.

president trump has participated in racist rhetoric. to date there's been no evidence to prove his claims. the institute's senior scientists told janice frere that the virus was not leaked from their facility. they say they're targets of unwarranted and malicious accusations. >> there was indeed a small group of people making baseless accusations without any evidence that the wu than institute of virology leaked or made it, which is completely untrue and malicious. i don't think the wu than institute of virology has anything to do with the source of this novel coronavirus. whether somebody apologizes to us or not, it won't change that fact. >> nbc's janice freer is live in beijing with this report. let's begin with the research. you hear anything from the

scientists at the institute that might give us hope for a vaccine coming soon or for new insights as to whether covid-19 actually did come from? >> well, they are focused entirely now on the study of sars-cov-2. the they are working on a vaccine. they're working on therapeutic drugs, working on antibodies. they have injected everything into this research. this was a lab that was designed to ham some of the world's most dangerous pathogens. they insist that before december 30 wth when they first received patient samples in wu than, they say they had never seen this strain of virus before, so it would have been impossible for them to leak from the lab. this is consistent with what has been the official time line here in china in terms of when the virus was first analyzed by labs

when the first patients were reported at hospitals when the virus was first decoded and shared, the wu than institute of virology says that they were the first to decode this virus and to share that genetic sequencing on january 12th with the world health organization and a global database. every time we bring it up, the con spear si theories, the can co inns people are highlighting, they insist time and again that they have had nothing to do with this and they are focused sbierlds on trying to find some solutions. >> sars-co-v-2, that's what we call the coronavirus that causes covid-19. we should play a clip of one of the interviews with one of the heads of the institute dealing with the issue of this

international tension between china and the u.s. and how that affects the research on this virus. listen. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: as scientists we don't want to see the tension between u.s. and china because it is not good for the scientific development. it is not good for the progress and stability of the world. i believe that if the virus is not contained, the rumors that the virus has leaked from the wu than institute of virology will persist. >> reporter: there's more than just president trump's rhetoric at play here, though. there have been kerns from scientists from around the world about the lab, what may have happened there. what about the way they're dealing with this overall forensic investigation into their role in the pandemic? >> well, there has been a lot of rhetoric and a lot of accusations flying from both sides. president trump, secretary of

state mike pompeo seeing evidence that the lab was involved. the chinese officials at times blaming the u.s. for unleashing the pandemic, even accusing the u.s. army of planting the virus at military games that were held until wu than. neither side has offered any credible evidence that the virus spilled over anywhere but in nature. sign actives we have spoken to, scientists who have been published have said that this is not a disease, this is something that spilled over from nature. it did not originate in a lab. this discounts the bio weapon theoriesies or that there was something more malicious. there is a low likelihood that this leaked from a lab. bsl 4 lapse in the united states and around the swroerld high security protocols in place. we saw the technicians, wearing

the positive pressure suits, everything being done to make sure there's no contamination in the lab. the lab director telling us this is a box within a box, that nothing can get in or out that isn't closely scrutinized. and the technicians there were trained in lyon franz ace and i texas. there was a state department cable dated january 28th highlighting a lack of trained staff at the lab that could perhaps provide the impetus for some sort of accident. those claims have not been proved. the lab told us that the u.s. officials didn't visit in january of 18. they didn't visit until march of 2018. they claim they never even saw the lab. because it's a state department cable that has been redacted, there are still a lot of gaps in

the explanations. what it comes down to is every scientist saying that this is ultimately a scientific study. this is a scientific investigation and some believe that it's going to be difficult for that to be unbiased. as far as the senior scientists at the wu than institute of virology and that lab, they believe that eventually -- it may take time -- but they believe science will absolve them. >> their own vaccine trials have advanced to one of the final stages. that's continuing in the united arab immigrants, i believe. janice, much appreciated. thanks very much. still to come, new books. looking back at president trump's term. considering what four more years might look like. we'll ask the authors of "hate monger" and "evil geniuses" in just a moment. geniuses" in just a moment. building an experience that lets you shop

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what will the next four years be like? in 2016 donald trump campaigned hard on a crackdown on immigration, the border wall, tax cuts and promises to conservative supreme court justices. lately he's spent more time depicting what life would be like with joe biden as president. he said the economy is doing so well only a bad president could kill it, say by raising taxes.

>> you have to be sharp and tough and so many other things to be president. he doesn't even come out of his basement. he's going to do anybody would ever even think possible. take away your guns, destroy your 2nd amendment, hurt the bible, hurt god. the chaos and blood shed will spread to every community our land. you and your family will never be safe. >> the biden campaign is setting forth a roadmap. >> right now america needs action. in the middle of alpandemic, the president is trying to rip away health care while small businesses close, he's given breaks to his wealthy donors. when people cried utt for support, he tear gassed them. america is in crisis and i know joe biden will lead us out of it.

>> we've learned a lot about the trump administration from leaks, stories, presidential reports and lots and lots of books. investigative journalist jean guerrero has a book called hate monger". she depicts them as sorcerers who is lost control of their spells. that lets them both deny responsibility for their rhetoric and sell the hatred in it "like cotton candy at an amusement park." anderson is expected to release his book "evil geniuses." in it he asks what america's future looks like, especially in contrast to past republican presidents. he writes that the coded messages and dog whistles have givenway to severe belief. all white people voting for him in 2020 will be ratifying his

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what would america look like after november 3rd? will president trump win four more years in the white house. will joe biden head back to the white house this time as president with kamala harris as the first woman of color to be vice president? joining us are jean guerrero,

arthur of the book. good you have to both with us. jean i wonder if i could start with you. your book focuses on the relationship between donald trump and his advisor steven miller and the anti-immigrant rhetoric that has come forth from both of them. what impact do they hope to have in a second term? >> what's going to happen in november depends on whether stephen miller, the most powerful advisor in the white house, whether his strategies continue to work. that's up for debate, whether that's going to be effective. but what we do know is if they do win re-election in november we're going to see much greater attacks on the immigrant community. this is an advisor who was

indoctrinated at a very young age, as i show in my book, in white supremacists ideology. and this is, you know, actually a lot bigger than the immigration issue. steven miller is a public relations dpl s flak who was pu charge of making policies for this country. for my conversations with white house officials for the book, this has left americans more vulnerable to a range of real threats, everything from domestic terrorism to cyber warfare to the pandemic we're seeing today because of steven miller's laser focus on keeping out black and brown families, which we will see in another term. >> fantasy land is a book about how america has been fert royal

ground for certain kind of people from p.t. barnum to walt disney, where you can believe in whatever you want and feel justified. is this defix of the future under donald trump connected to that? is it kind of baked into the dna of the u.s., that this is the kind of country where someone like donald trump can go from being tv star to president? >> well, as you might remember, i finished fantasy land before donald trump was even nominated and came out just as he became president. so he is a symptom of this chronic condition of people believing whatever the heck they want that has gotten out of control the last few decades. since "fantasyland" came out, we have q anon and donald trump who i wrote about in that book as the conspiracy theorist in chief. he'd july been elected and

inaugurated but he has doubled down on that. what "evil geniuses" does, it is a different thing. it is really this confederacy of the rich and big and economic zealots who got together and really used that fantasyland idea, this credulity of the people on the right, republican voters, they're able to convince of the liberals are going to take your guns, or all kinds of untrue things. i wanted to note, also, joshua, you said that donald trump campaigned on lower taxes and anti-immigration. certainly anti-immigration was a large part of his campaign. but he also, and i recently went back to remind myself of it, he also campaigned by virtue of the other steve, steve bannon, we'll

have a better medicare system. we won't touch your social security, and we'll get the banks and hedge fund guys. he was a populist, because he knew that was politically smart. but that was all for show, and he carried out the most extreme version of what the rich and big business wanted in the form of their $2 trillion tax cut, and the deregulation blitz. it will be interesting, if he were to be re-elected, will he keep, adhere to those economic right-wing bosses' wishes, the charles kochs of the world, or will he simply try to please his base, the racists, anti-immigrant forces, and so forth. after he's elected, that's it

for him. all donald trump wants is to be loved by his base and his cult. how best to do that, trying to cancel the payroll tax, which he can't do. >> i wanted to ask jean about that in particular. with regards to how he gets re-elected, i wanted to get your sense of where that fits into the campaign. i don't know if steven miller will be a large player into the campaign strategy, but is the playbook the same this time around, or do you suspect that that's what donald trump needed to do to get into the white house, but not to stay? >> they're using the same, exact strategy, with somewhat of a twist. they're focused on demonizing the democratic party and progressives as an existential threat to america. and it's very important to know where this is coming from, which i show in my book.

there's this white supremacist book called "the camp of the saints" which demonizes the democratic party because of its alliances with people of color. you see a lot of the same demonization, and that is going into the same election strategy. >> both of you, thanks very much. and let's get to some of your emails. yesterday marked another anniversary of the end of world war ii. jolenta writes, in 1938, my mother and her six siblings made a daring escape across europe after the ss twice tried to arrest their father. today, my grandfather is considered the founder of the

austrian resistance movement. i could not be prouder, considering 99% of austrians were complicit with hitler. #resist. don recalled meeting a former japanese fighter pilot in the san francisco bay area. he thought dropping the atomic bomb was a good idea. don writes, the japanese were all willing to die, there was no other way, it was too dishonorable to surrender. but with the bomb, the emperor was surrender. after the war, he was so impressed, he decided to see what it was like to live in america, and that's how he got here. linda from maine says her late

husband was one of the first soldiers to meet russians at the elba river. she said he wrote a book called "maine boy goes to war," about becoming a soldier. he died in april, 2019, at the age of 94. anguishing over current events in the united states, asking, is this what we fought for? he remembered the past, and feared what he was seeing in his own country. and finally, ace in tennessee told us about his mother, a jewish refugee who became researcher, and said his mother had to leave austria because her

family was jewish. other family members did not sur v survive. she witnessed the insidious build-up on authoritarian regimes in europe, and passed on the lessons to me and my siblings. she would have been overjoyed by the nomination of kamala harris. what amazing stories you shared with us. thank you for making time for us tonight. join us tomorrow night for special coverage of the democratic national convention. we'll be live each night with analysis, the latest developments, and the acceptance speeches. tune in starting at 7:00 p.m. see you next weekend, but until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. stay safe, stay in tune.

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this sunday, the new democratic ticket. >> she's ready to do this job on day one. >> joe biden picks his running mate. >> your next vice president of the united states, kamala harris. >> the first woman of color ever on a national ticket. >> we need a mandate that proves that the past few years do not represent who we are or who we aspire to be. >> the trump campaign, struggling to find a consistent line of attack. >> she left angry. she left mad. there bo