hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. today all the warnings issued from this most respected democratic leaders in the country speaking at the democratic national convention this week coming true today in a series of legal developments that reveal once again the corruption and criminality of donald trump and his inner circle. steve bannon former political adviser expected to appear in court this hour after being arrested by the united state's

postal service. his alleged crimes laundering money and defrauding hundreds of thousands of donors. the bannon indictment coming from the southern district of new york where the attorney general sought to decapitate the office. from the "new york times" mr. bannon was arrested early thursday on a $35 million, 150-foot yacht off the coast of connecticut. working with the coast guard federal postal inspectors and special agents boarded the vessel. he was arrested days before mr. trump was to be nominated for a second term. also making legal headlines the federal judge ruling against the president and paving the way for trump's tax returns to be turned over. also from "new york times" reporting a federal judge rejected president trump's latest effort to block the manhattan district attorney from

obtaining his tax returns. dismissing mr. trump's arguments that the prosecutors grand jury subpoena was wildly overbroad. that setback pofor the presidens legal plight that might force the handing over of donald trump's tax returns. it only underscored warnings from former president obama last night about the stakes of the election. >> donald trump hasn't grown into the job because he can't. the consequences of that failure are severe. 170,000 americans dead. millions of jobs gone. those at the top take more than ever. our worse impulses unleashed. our proud reputation around the world badly diminished.

our democratic institutions threatened like never before. >> that dire warning and today's legal blows are where we start today. dan goldman, former assistant united states attorney for the southern district of new york. plus peter baker is here and former republican congressman david jolly joins us. i have to start with you, peter baker. you know a lot about president obama. you know a lot about the way he uses words around the way he uses speeches to sometimes try to transcend moments and sometimes move moments. what did you make of that speech last night and the bleak picture he painted of a second donald trump term? >> well, it is a bleak picture. i went back and watched his 2008 convention speech when he accepted the nomination. the journey between these two

speeches, between the 12 years in between, was remarkable. he had tough things to say about your former boss, george w. bush, but it was a dispute of issues. he didn't question john mccain's character or patriotism. they had a disagreement about the way forward in the country. last night you heard a former president clearly on the edge of a very emotional moment for him. he seemed to me to be kind of really wrapped up in the moment in which he's saying america's democracy is at stake. it's not a disagreement about policies. in his view he's saying donald trump is a threat to america. that may be democratic rhetoric if you don't believe in that. if you believe in donald trump, it might sound hollow. i believe it was a passionate

plea to the country to stand up, take stock and see what's happening. >> peter baker, my theory when i watched it -- i'm a student of all his speeches. they're masterfully crafted. they're almost always masterfully delivered as well. i thought he was speaking from just a pit of despair, that any living president would feel in watching the sort of annihilation of the rule of law, the smear and slander of the united states intelligence committee, many of whom die serving this country without fanfare because of the nature of the work they do. what do you think about just the strategic decision to uncork all that? >> i think that's exactly right, nicolle. even in 2008 there was a

fundamentally optimistic message. hope and change, it was positive and forward. last night he seemed like a man who was very, very upset, very, very distraught at the pace of the country, maybe even pessimistic. i think it stems from years of watching on the sidelines, not just his own accomplishments being unravelled by president trump, but the view of the president that didn't share the institutions and the way of doing business that republicans and democrats have done prior to president trump's arrival. he was somebody who sees this as bigger than a policy difference, bigger than a typical election year contrast of ideas, but a moment where the country has to evaluate where it's going. >> watching the news from a

foreign capitol, would be like watching a famous mob family prosecution from a foreign capit capitol. donald trump was asked about another one of his men being indicted. let's watch that exchange. >> it's not just steve bannon. it's roger stone, michael flynn, paul manafort, michael cohen. what does it say about your judgment and the culture of l lawlessness -- >> there was great lawlessness by the obama administration. they spied on our campaign. they had tremendous lawlessness. i wasn't involved in the project. i have no idea who was. >> let's debunk the lie. there was no illegal spying despite bill barr saying that's

what it was called. the idea that -- i mean, obama was almost famously scandal free. what is this projection? donald trump has a circle of people and it's getting closer and closer to him. he's an unindicted co-conspirator in the southern district of new york. what does that culture say to you as someone who prosecuted organizations? >> i have. donald trump speaks and acts very much like a mob boss. as with all organizations, criminal or otherwise, people take their cues from the top. what we have seen over the last three and a half years is that donald trump views the presidency as his personal piggy bank, as a vehicle for him to explore his personal interests. so it's no real surprise that people around him are doing the same. paul manafort during the 2016

campaign. steve bannon now using his association with donald trump and the immigration policy to raise an amount of money on go fund me and it was all a fraud. that is pure projection, nicolle. obviously no one in obama's inner circle was indicted. it was remarkably scandal free as you pointed out. it's his mechanism of deflection, of avoiding the elephant in the room, which is he has not only surrounded himself with the best people, he's surrounded himself with criminals and that's what you get when you sort of lead from the top in the way that he has. >> i want to go through the two developments and explain them to me, dan goldman. take me through why the southern district of new york would use the postal service which is very

much in the news right now for another reason, donald trump's efforts to corrupt it to slow mail-in voting ahead of november. why have they made the arrest and what happens next? >> the first thing to know is this is clearly an investigation that's gone on for sometime. it notes that the now indicted defendants became aware of the investigation in october of last year. a lot of the public corruption cases in the southern district of new york actually initiate from within the office. there are excellent experienced investigators within that office who bring and develop cases on their own. they often bring in a law enforcement agency to assist them. i don't know how this began. it doesn't jump out at me to be a surprise that the postal inspection service would be involved in this. this is a fairly typical fraud

scheme. essentially making misrepresentations to get other people to give money and pilfer that money for your own personal benefits and your own personal gain. as with many indictments there are some sort of fun things they spent the money on such as cosmetic surgery, a boat, other personal expenses. the one thing i'll say indictment is it seems to be pretty open and shut. they have text messages. they have emails. they clearly have a lot of bank records. they charge money laundering in addition to wire fraud which has an enhanced sentencing. they're potentially facing many years in jail if they do not cut a deal to cooperate on either each other or anyone else they may have information about. >> because it's donald trump

surrounded by surrounded by felons, we have to talk about donald trump's tax returns. let me read this. he renewed his fight for an argument against the subpoena of his taxes. his lawyers argued it was issued in a fit of peak, simply copying a subpoena by congressional democrats who have been frustrated in their efforts to obtain the president's financial information. the judge dismissed the argument saying the judicial process didn't transform into an incident of incapacitating and harassment. it sounds like he's saying no one is above the law, which is what the supreme court said. what does it mean in terms of how the case proceeds? do they have a better chance of accessing donald trump's tax returns? >> yes. when donald trump made this argument, it was pretty much the

argument they made to the supreme court and it was rejected. they threw in the kitchen sink to try to delay the d.a. from getting the documents. there could be two reasons, one, so it won't affect the election and, two, because there could be statutes of limitation. there is no judge that would say these allegations could work when they don't know what else is part of the investigation. a judge can't tell a prosecutor no, you can't ask for the records when they show there's a good faith basis for it. it's not a surprise. we're seeing the delay tactics of the president. ultimately the records will go to the d.a.'s office. donald trump will appeal it to the second court of appeals. they'll have briefing and oral

argument. there will be a decision. i think it's unlikely all that happens in less than three months. >> david jolly, it's highly likely that win or lose donald trump will be in court as a criminal defendant for a long time to come. if you could just pull these two threads together, i thought what president obama did last night was chilling. it was haunting. then there were two new examples of precisely what he was warning the country was at risk this morning when we woke up. >> that's exactly right, nicolle. what was left unsaid by president obama, by michelle obama, by hillary clinton, as they hit donald trump where we know it hurts, which is his abandonment of law and order, his flaunting of the rules, his using the white house for his own pocket book, what was left unsaid is donald trump thrives within a culture of criminality. we were reminded of that in today's two stories. to dan's point i fully agree the

legal strategy could benefit the president is to get this past november. the likelihood it would be leaked and did before the elect unlikely. michael cohen is an unindicted co-conspirator. the bannon news has to rest on trump's shoulder. bannon is a grifter. he left breitbart and associated with trump when no one else would do so. when he left trump, he said he was unpatriotic because of his russia behavior. then he launched this platform and hung his flag with roy moore of all people.

the tact thfact that the gang cp with steve bannon is no surprise. the take away is we have a president who has empowered the likes of bannon, cohen, manafort and others. >> let me put up the list. ri rick gates, paul manafort, george papadopoulos, michael fly flynn, mike cohen and steve bannon. he's the only person who has to provide a pardon as part of a benefits package. everyone that goes in comes in with a lack of any ethics, some a pattern of criminal conduct. the rub here -- i think again the intersection to president obama's warning is that donald trump brings that into the office with no corners that's supposed to stand for something

around the world. my question is, how do you turn that into an argument to make every day while people are losing their jobs, worried about their health, stressed about school, how do you take that to the american people over the next 70 days? >> nicolle, that is the real challenge here. donald trump runs a team of grifters. it's a craft he has perfected and the people around him see an opportunity to continue. i think even as we're watching the dnc this week the democrats are having to make a choice. are you pressing that theory of the case, that donald trump is unfit to be president, or are you giving the policy platform that responds to people hurting? for some people it's not enough to say trump caused these problems. let's get rid of him. we've seen this platform of robust ideas from health care to taxes. democrats are sprinkling that in. it's competing with the message

that donald trump is a threat. has biden left the obamas and hillarys and other press the case against donald trump and we see policy from biden? >> peter baker, there was a deal mentioned. i hear deal and i hear donald trump and all his attacks on flippers and rats. he sits atop the department of justice which calls those people cooperating witnesses to prosecute federal crimes. what do you think donald trump really thinks? usually when someone close to him is indicted he starts saying really nice things about them so they don't do what dan goldman just said, a deal. >> yeah, really nice things about them or distancing himself from them. >> right, i never knew him. >> he said he worked for the campaign for a short amount of

time and hadn't had anything to do with him since he left. we don't know that the president had anything to do with this scam obviously, but who knows what steve bannon might know and might try to raise with prosecutors if that turns out to be a negotiating tactic. i don't know. he has said things in the past in which he has offered his theories about president trump and russia that don't always sound flattering. i don't know that he has the evidence that would be worthwhile to a prosecutor. no evidence that he knows something that he hasn't told us yet. dan goldman would probably know better about that subject. if you're the president, every time someone gets invite frd your circle you have to wonder what meeting was in in, what exposure would he bring. >> dan goldman, tell me your assessment of the southern district of new york. that office held in the michael

cohen sentencing memo that donald trump is an unindicted co-conspirator. there was a dramatic departure of its head geoffrey berman, a power struggle with barr. i know we don't know what is ongoing, but what is your sense of the strength with which they're functioning today? are they at full strength? >> they're absolutely at full strength. you can take away the head of it, but the engine is still there and still pumping away and there's an institutional experience and value and aggressiveness that remains no matter who is at the helm. the one big question that this begs is was geoffrey berman fired because of this investigation. the explanation we got from bill barr through the public, through the press, does not make sense. >> yeah. >> we have not yet got an explanation that makes any sense

as to why on a friday night he needed to fire geoffrey berman five months before an election. just real briefly, nicolle, to talk about what steve bannon could deliver, steve bannon was in the campaign. he was very involved in communication based on the mueller report and the senate intelligence report with roger stone. he knew what was going on with wikileaks. donald trump lied to mueller under oath when he said he had no idea. steve bannon could be a witness that would be able to reveal that information and an admissible witness. we know it, but somebody has to be able to testify to it. steve bannon might be somebody who could do that. >> dan goldman, always great to talk to you. peter and david, we're not done with you yet. when we come back turning all our attention to tonight's big speech from joe biden who

has benefited from a pitch-perfect week of powerhouse speeches. how will joe biden close out the week? and we know donald trump has been glued to the democratic convention all week based on his all caps live tweets. clearly he's been distressed by it. we'll look at the president's petty attempt to block programming. plus if you're a dangerous underground racist that the fbi warns the country about, that social media outlets are taking down your posts, but you've said nice things about donald trump, you've got nothing to worry about. no complaints from him. we'll explain that story next. i like to recommend pronamel to my patients. pronamel will help push the minerals back into the enamel, to keep the enamel strong. i know it works. and i hear nothing but great things from my patients that have switched to it.

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we can do better and deserve so much more. joe will be a president who turns our challenges into purpose. joe will bring us together to build an economy that doesn't leave anyone behind. joe will bring us together to end this pandemic and make sure that we are prepared for the next one. joe will bring us together to squarely face and dismantle racial injustice furthering the work of generations. >> senator kamala harris last night putting it all out there, making the case that the stakes for an election have never been

higher and joe biden is the right man to lead this country. it's an argument we'll see the former vice president make tonight when he delivers his acceptance speech and seeks to cap off a week of emotional appeals to voters. friends and allies of joe biden say it's a speech he's been preparing for his entire life. "the new york times," mr. biden's speech will be fashioned accordingly to meet the moment, more sober than jubilant. in his most ambitious effort yet to offer the american people a vision of steady leadership and national unity in the face of extraordinary crisis. joining us national political director juanita tolliver. w with

a vice presidential canada didas a three-act play. other than people who follow the day to day conversation the biggest opportunity to speak to the country. in terms of that opportunity, i thought the video that introduced her from her step daughter, from her niece and sister was extremely well done. her remarks did all that story telling. i wonder what you think about the complimentary nature of president obama doing the takedown and senator harris doing the story telling about herself and joe biden. >> i think it worked beautifully. what adds to that is the fact i heard from outlets that barack obama requested to trade slots with kamala so he could go first, so he could lay the groundwork and she would be the last voice audiences heard. what barack obama did beautifully he named that trump can't do the job.

he also aftfirmed positive thins about joe biden and senator harris. paired with what we heard from michelle obama and senator harris calling out the ways that trump has perpetuated white supremacy in this country and systems wreaking havoc in black and brown communities was superb. it laid a foundation that will be mobilizing to democratic audiences tuning in and a sobering reality for republican audiences tuning in looking for that offramp. what we have is a clear example how to tell the story that is going to be mobilizing and staying true and authentic to yourself. the other thing senator harris did was introduce herself. she talked about the impact of

attending hbcu. she talked about being the daughter of immigrants. the historic nature of that is amazing. pair that with the vision that she essentially created an onramp for joe biden tonight. with joe biden he has to do a couple things. he has to affirm all the great things people have said about him, but he has to lay out a positive vision for the purpose of this country that extends beyond naming all the bad things we know trump has done. elizabeth warren said biden has all the best plans. now it's time for biden to put up. he needs to name his plan for stopping the pandemic. he needs to name how he'll serve the immediate and long term economic needs of women and families across the country as a result of the pandemic and economic recession. i'm really looking forward to him laying out that vision in a

full and profound way. >> peter baker, your colleagues where this about joe biden's speech making prowess, it's a point i hadn't thought of, quote, it's also no coincidence that scores of families trusted mr. biden with the most sacred speech making task, delivering eulogies. the skills he has developed, an ability to communicate empathy and the sense of hope. it may be important preparation to a nominating speech to a grieve nature. >> yeah, look, i think joe biden's political strength is empathy. he's a likable person. he's a person who most people could see themselves sitting down with, confiding their troubles in. as you say, bringing him into your memorial service to pay tribute to somebody who passed

along. it's a moment of great tragedy in the country. he's not someone with a strong ideological identity. i don't think you'll hear a strong ifphilosophical speech tonight. you'll hear a human speech tonight. what's going to be important here is he's been out of the limelight for a long time, unlike most nominees at this point. because of the virus, because he's been mostly in the basement, the country hasn't seen biden in a sustained way for a while. this is going to be a reintroduction of somebody they think they know. the question is how does he present himself and can he make the case, not just president trump doesn't deserve a second term, but joe biden is trustworthy in a time of crisis. >> david jolly, conventions when

you go first are meant to do two things. they frame the election. this convention program has very effectively framed the choice as a referendum on donald trump starting with michelle obama's speech, with president obama's speech. between them have been all the testimonials to the character and steadiness and some of the appeal to the middle. when you have a national audience like this, millions of people are watching a convention in a way that don't maybe follow the ins and outs on twitter. what is the best use of that opportunity for joe biden tonight in your view? >> nicolle, i think it's been a remarkable convention for communicating to the american people values-based politics. we've seen the leadership case be made. where donald trump fails to lead, joe biden has and will.

we've seen the case for diversity, a party that looks like america. we've seen the case of history naming kamala harris as the vp candidate. those are value-based principles. the question is do we hear the policies tonight? i'm sure they exist on biden's website. do we hear him articulate what he'll do specifically on policy? what i'm looking for is this, there are multiple con constituencies watching this. the one con constituency we haven't seen them speak to yet is the obama, trump voters in pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan. does biden speak to them tonight? i'm not sure they've heard the message yet from this convention. >> it's a good point. the erie, pa voter, the lake

county, michigan voter, we'll be hearing more about that today. good things to look out for. thank you all so much for spending time with us. it's a big final night for the democrats with joe biden wrapping it all up. before that our coverage tonight kicks off at 8:00 p.m. with dr. jill biden and hillary clinton. they'll both join rachel and joy and me. don't miss that. also breaking news on the story we started with. steve bannon has officially entered a plea of not guilty in federal court. he'll be released on $5 million bond. not that you can go anywhere because of america and covid. he did have to surrender his passport. we will be right back.

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as we speak, donald trump is in pennsylvania attempting a little bit of counter programming, desperately trying to troll joe biden delivering a speech 15 minutes away from the vice president's hometown just hours before joe biden delivers one of the most important speeches of his career. the current president finds himself behind in the polls in pennsylvania, a 9-point deficit for him there.

the polls, plus the searing indictments adding to worries inside the trump campaign. a source close to trump telling me if the election continues on its current path as a referendum on donald trump he will lose. joining our conversation "new york times" reporter nick comfosori. >> if i had to choose a campaign, i would choose joe biden's. to your point your source used the right word here, this race has been a referendum, not a choice. that's what the biden campaign wants. they wanted to turn the campaign into a referendum. if i were a campaign, i would be happy if i were biden's

campaign. the convention has done what they set out to do. they were nervous about the programming elements because it was brand neutw terrain. it's largely been a success. one of the things trump was to do is reignite his populous brand. he has not done that largely because of covid, but because of his own self-inflicted wounds. i'm curious to see if he goes back to that well. >> nick, one of the challenges is explaining why he didn't do anything in the the three and a half years he's had. it's one thing to run on populous rage when you're a tv star. it's another one to say i'm going to usher in an era of populism and get rid of the elites.

wh when joe biden gets an endorsement from the security guard of a building, i don't think donald trump can go there again, can he? >> i think you're right, after three and a half years i watched president trump try over and over again to redefine who the ev enemy is once he was in office. first it was democrats. then it was the media and china. i think for a lot of voters in pennsylvania they now have a record to judge him on. i'm not sure what the phenomenal judgme final vote will be. there's some moves he's made on tariffs and the steel industry. he's popular in the blue collar areas of pennsylvania.

there's a question if those voters will ever come back to the democratic party. biden doesn't need all those voters. he needs some of them back. right now he's getting them. >> sam, you made a good point in terms of this -- this is what my source said. it stuck out to me. as long as it stays a referendum on donald trump -- this isn't trump specific, any incumbent with approval ratings below 50%, if it's a referendum on you, you lose. frankly this is the position we were in in 2004. it takes an incredibly disciplined campaign and candidate to turn a referendum into a choice. donald trump is neither of those things. do you think they recognize that's the strategic imperative and will attempt it next week or do you think trump is beyond strategic council? >> it's a very complicated

question. i think they do recognize that's the strategic imperative. i think trump is largely incapable of making that turn. in part because he feels the need to defend his own record, not just defend it, but tout it as the greatest record in presidential history. his knee jerk reaction is to tout what he's done, which is a reminder to people of what he's done. for you guys in 2004 there were events you could use to change the talk of the race. trump doesn't have those types of initiatives or big campaign moments ahead to make that turn. if anything, we're looking at a

staggering economy that could get worse because there's no progress on another stimulus bill and unemployment benefits will decrease. we're looking at the potential of another spike of covid with cases in the fall coinciding with the flu season, all that with students not returning to school. he's in a tough bind. i don't think he has the discipline to make this into a choice election. >> nick, can 170,000 americans losing their lives in a deadly and tragic pandemic and someone who doesn't call any one of those families or seem to grieve alongside the nation -- how does that person -- how does that candidate match the mood of the country if that's the first mission of any campaign? >> he tries to change the subject. that's what we've seen from president trump to riots and urban decay, these tropes about

cities with a high proportion of black residents. he tried to change the subject. a real obstacle for this campaign, and the reason they're running the campaign they are, is because they have a candidate who can't switch gears. he only has a couple tools in his tool box that worked well for him in 2016. one of those things is the rallies and he can't claim them in the same way and he can't be the outsider again. they've built around him the only campaign they can. the problem is how do you adjust it now? >> nobody is going anywhere. when we come back, a conversation that could be considered the most dangerous thing trump has done yet. - [narrator] this is kate.

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couldn't get the president to disavow david duke. regardless of what they believe or what they stand for. nick and sam are still here. nick, i'm not going to clap for any of the republicans expressing alarm because what did they think the natural extension would be of donald trump? of course this is where we are today, and of course it's dangerous, it's appalling. he's actually ruling against his own government, his own law enforcement which has to beat down conspiracy nuts like this. this seems like the logical extension of donald trump. >> nicolle, i think qanon as an opportunistic infection on a body politic weakened by president trump. we have a president who believes and has sought to create his own reality, his own facts day in and day out. he's fed that kind of culture. it's no surprise that online you

see flourishing these kinds of conspiracy theories that almost takes strength from their implausibility, from their insanity. i do think this is part of the culture of the trump presidency. look, if he's going to go out there and send deny his crowd side, you're getting straight into jfk assassination territory, right? you're getting into these conspiracy theories. i think this is part of his legacy. as you point out, all he needs to know is that some of these people like him and that's the most important thing to him. >> i want to go from insanity to cruelty. sam stein, my colleagues, julia ainsley and jacob sob rof are reporting on trump cabinet officials who voted in 2018 in favor of the family separation policy. this is from their reporting which broke ability an hour ago.

quote, in early may 2018, 11 of the president's most senior advisers were called to the white house situation room where they were asked by a show of hands vote to decide the fate of thousands of migrant parents and their children according to two officials who were there. no one in the meeting made the case that separating families would be inhumane or immoral. the officials said any moral argument regarding immigration fell on deaf ears and said the white house, a sea of hands went up. nielsen kept hers down. what do you make of what is coming out now about the president's use of homeland -- the department of homeland security. some of it is from miles taylor who is sort of telling his story publicly for the first time. former chief of staff there. this story coming out, too, seemingly in concert. >> i just got to scan that report before coming on air. the takeaway i had is how much they looked at this issue as a

bureaucratic government resource matter versus a moral humane matter. the people who objected to the policy did so on grounds they would not have the necessary resources to actually separate the family, deport them and reunite them with their children, not that it was cruel. it gets back to what i think was a theme of last night's convention. i'll get to this a little long windedly. what we saw in the past 3 1/2 years is people objected to trump's policies, but never did so publicly and never did so because of it. because of their inability or unwillingness to do that they implicitly enabled the president. when obama was speaking last night about the dire situation with respect to our future of democracy, he had a very biting line. he said this is not -- there are republican principles and democratic principles. this is a problem created by trump, comma, and those who enabled him. i thought that was a very queue

line. he was trying to indict a political party and a political ecosystem that allowed trumpism and conspiracies like qanon which is nuts. nick was sophisticated in his description. it's just nuts, and things like family separation to flourish without people objecting because of a moral objection to it. that's what obama was saying last night. that's the thrust of this report. i think it's the definition of the trump presidency to this point in time. >> nick, it's such a good point. we've experienced human suffering as a consequence. what we maybe overlook is that this was the point of a lot of this. steven miller as an architect of this report was making that case, that this was a policy meant to deter and the cruelty was the deterrent, it was the policy aim. >> that's right. they wanted to cause pain, to cause fear, to intern these people from coming over, because

they had made a decision they mad to be stopped. of course, i think a lot of the country disagreed with them. i'll add a second point to this, nicolle. the market value of turning on president trump from the inside is going to decline extremely fast in november. so i suspect part of what we're seeing here is a last chance by some people who have served the president and had misgivings to get their stories out before he's either re-elected or defeated. >> i hope that means your phones are ringing off the hook. i look forward to reading all your good journalism as a result or consequence of that wave of confessions. nick confessore, sam stein, two of the best of the best. thank you for spending time with us. up next, the speech of joe biden's life on the heels of a momentous week for the democratic party. what's at stake just a few short hours from now? a second hour of "deadline white house" starts after a very quick break. don't go anywhere.

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we are a nation that is grieving, grieving the loss of li life, the loss of jobs, the loss of opportunities, the loss of normal see, and yes, the loss of certainty. and here's the thing. we can do better and deserve so much more. >> this administration has shown it will tear our democracy down if that's what it takes for them to win. that's how a democracy withers, until it's no democracy at all.

we cannot let that happen. do not let them take away your power. do not let them take away your democracy. >> hi again, everyone. it's 5:00 new york. what vice presidential nominee kamala harris described as a flexion point in america. eefr the threat posed by donald trump culminating in history making moments at the democratic national convention. kamala harris the first black and indian american woman in history to accept a major party's nomination for vice president, shaping a very different vision for america, one that defines the biden/harris mission and seeks to unseat donald trump in november. former president barack obama with the fiercest, most sobering indictment from any former president ever against his successor in a convention. his alarm was punctuated today by the bombshell legal headlines out of trump world.

steve bannon, trump's one-time top adviser indicted for fraud and taken into custody. the blockbuster day of breaking news comes on the heels of political history made at that democratic convention and it sets the stage for what is set to become the speech of joe biden's life tonight, an extraordinary task that will usher in the next phase of the general election campaign between him and donald trump. it comes at an unprecedented moment in today's politics. "the new york times" describes it this way, quote, the times dictate a different type of speech says terry mcauliffe, a close ally of mr. biden's. this is a different speech, a different time going back to the times of fdr when we were dealing with a world war and dealing with a depression. this is a very serious speech. asked how long mr. biden had been preparing for his thursday

appearance mr. mcauliffe replied, quote, for his entire life. that's where we start. john heilemann nbc national affairs analyst is here, former democratic congresswoman donna edwards and pulitzer prize winni winning. i miss talking to you about all these things. i was shaken by president obama's address last night because i thought he tapped something that most presidents keep really buried. it is the despair of watching donald trump sort of annihilate the sanctity that we now know, the sanctity of the military and the sanctity of law enforcement and agencies protected by norms, not bylaws. what did you make of that obama speech? >> hi, nicolle, i'm going to apologize now if i have too much of a delay here.

i'm in wilmington, delaware and unfortunately operating on hotel wi-fi. if i'm coming through not as strong as usual, i apologize. i heard you last night on tv. i saw you. i could have predicted almost every word that came out of your maugt because i think we haboth have the same sense which is that the things that barack obama said last night that privately and maybe shared among themselves, that your old boss, that bill clinton and jimmy carter all feel currently, their concerns are the same, their degree of institutional terror has been building over the course of the last 3 1/2 years. when i think about barack obama, someone who i have known since 1988 and have covered since he went to the illinois state senate, the last thing in the world, literally the last thing in the world that barack obama wanted to do was to be a major figure in another presidential campaign, to be drawn into giving the kind of speech he had to give last night or felt he

had to give. this is the kind of thing that obama would have been much happier being an elder statesman in the party, basically staying out of these arguments to the extent he could, certainly not -- to the extent he was drawn in, doing a more standard, the kind of speeches he gave in 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, optimistic, up lifting, not having to give the kind of talk that he gave last night that chilled a lot of people to their bones, not just you. i think that speaks to not just how seriously he's taking the moment, how much he thinks is at stake, but i think it gives us a clue that there's no way that the other presidents who have occupied that office, all of whom discover once they're there that they have a unique brotherhood, so far only a brotherhood in having experienced what the weight and the obligations of that office are, i guarantee you that those other guys, bill clinton, george w. bush and jimmy carter were at at home watching barack obama,

essentially cosigning him silently and saying he speaks for us. >> let me show you some more of the speech, eugene, from president obama on democracy and what's at stake. >> democracy was never meant to be transactional, you give me your vote, i make everything better. it requires an active and informed citizenry. so ' also asking you to believe in your own ability to embrace your own responsibility as citizens, to make sure that the basic tenets of our democracy endure because that's what's at stake right now, our democracy. >> eugene, you take those comments and michelle obama's remarks the first night and the obamas seem to be willing the country to believe that it can and must do better and change course immediately.

>> that's right, nicole. i, too, have known barack obama for some time and listened to a lot of his speeches. i've spoken with him privately, not recently, but over the years quite a bit. i've never heard him like this. i simply have never heard him like that. i've heard him upset. i've heard him at moments that were described at the time as moments of crisis. i've never heard him like he was last night. this was not no drama obama. there was drama. he said this is a moment of drama and pay attention. there is so much at stake here. i think he spoke from the heart. i think he said what he believed had to be said. i think he is a boone to joe biden actually looking ahead to tonight's speech that obama, in fact, did lay out the dire

situation in such stark terms than perhaps vice president biden's speech tonight doesn't have to be as dark. perhaps it can be more forward looking, more optimistic, more about how we're going to get out of this mess rather than the mess we're in. >> donna edwards, politicians pay a price when their public messages don't match what everyone sees on their street corner, what everyone sees in their neighborhoods and what everyone sees on their street corner and what everyone sees in their neighborhoods are boarded up businesses. if the first wave of the coronavirus didn't hit your state, you're certainly being hit by it now. even if your job is secure and you're not dealing with food insecurity and looking for food banks, thinking that that would never be you, you are worried about how you're going to do your job at a level to not end up in that circumstance with your kids at home and not going to school. but it is not without risk to

speak to our grief, to speak to our pain and to speak to the darkness. what do you think about the decisions and the choices made in the speech from president obama last night? >> nicole, i think that president obama's speech last night was built from monday night forward, the soeb brieity we experienced with michelle obama to the national security team that spoke and then to hillary clinton and, of course, barack obama. i think that many of us do recognize that this is a really important moment, and i think when you're talking about somebody who is one of the most admired people in our country, if not in the world, it was important for him to deliver the message, the sober message, and in some ways i think the forum

for him, not with an adoring crowd cheering along as you would get in an arena was appropriate to the message he had to deliver which needed to be in the stillness of our homes, hearing this message about what's at stake and about our democracy being at stake. it made me sit up because i was not accustomed to hearing barack obama in that way, and it made me listen and tuned in my ear in a way i might not have otherwise with the distraction of an adoring crowd. >> john heilemann, to your point and to what i think we accurately described as our shared feeling, this is how all the former presidents feel, a group of i think 75 -- 73 former national security officials from the trump, george w. bush,

george h.w. bush and reagan administrations formed a new group and endorsed joe biden for president today. the group includes a lot of my former colleagues, former cia and national security, nsa director general michael hayden, former dni john negroponte, former cia director william webster, former deck tear secretary of state richard armitage, former homeland security department chief of staff miles taylor who is out this week on a bit of a media tour about what he saw inside the trump administration's department of homeland security. my question to you is, four years ago people rolled the dice on a mystery basket. i think the racism and misogyny was out there between his history in new york and all the things he had gotten involved in just as a private citizen and whatever he was, tv guy. the misogyny was really brought

into sharp relief by the "access hood" tape. now he's a guy in charge of our national security. we can turn our passports into coasters because we can't go anywhere because of america's handling of covid. do you think these things have more power now as an incumbent president than four years ago? >> yeah, nicole nicolle. the reality was for a lot of people you talked to in the country and battleground states, a normal presidential year, i travel to a lot of places and talk to a lot of people, you would hear a lot of voters who looked at trump, the persuadable voters, the ones who made the difference in the election, whose attitude was they got that donald trump was racist, they got that he was a misogynist.

they got that he said things that were politically incorrect. there are a lot of them who voted for him in a way by holding their nose. we saw the data on this. there were plenty of voters who disliked donald trump and disliked hillary clinton. the difference for those voters was donald trump represented change of some kind and then she represented the status quo. for a lot of those voters, their attitude was, i've been seeing status quo establishment politicians my whole life. nothing is fundamentally changing. my circumstances are getting worse or are static. i'm willing to roll a stick of dynamite into washington and see what happens. when the rubble falls, see what's left. i think that's a choice that for those voters, talking now about everybody, the voters who made the difference. for a lot of them they couldn't imagine what that rubble would look like. they couldn't imagine how much damage could be done. that was the alternative, was just change versus more of the same and they voted for change.

now, after 3 1/2 years, everybody has a sense of what that rubble looks like. that is why i think that people look at joe biden and say, you know what? we now see what the stakes are and we now see what -- that it would be better to go back to continuity and to some form of stability and some form of unity rather than constant division and chaos and a huge global and national risk that donald trump entails. >> and that, yeugene, was the case that kamala harris made. she did everything she had to do last night. this story to a large general election audience sttakes placen these three acts, the announcement, the convention and the debate. let me show you some of what she took on last night around issues of race and racism. >> let's be clear. there is no vaccine for racism. we have got to do the work for

george floyd, for breonna taylor, for the lives of too many others to name, for our children and for all of us. we've got to do the work to fulfill that promise of equal justice under law. because here is the thing. none of us are free until all of us are free. >> eugene, she's got the weight of upwards of 70% of americans who believe in what she just asserted, we should strive to, again, another place where donald trump and his base are really an outlier and outside the mainstream. >> that's right. so she was speaking of the america of today, the real america of today and the america of tomorrow and how it can be better.

and i think she established that tone and i think that's what the tone should be tonight as well at the convention. it shouldn't sound like calling for a restoration, per se, of restoring values of honesty and truth and stuff like that, but it also has to sound like moving forward, like moving forward into a future that many people find anxiety making, moving forward to a better future in a better way together. so that's what i think the being or the tone of this last night of the convention should be. it should be more hopeful and optimistic and give people something to believe in for the future. >> donna, a lot of what you do, as i said, when you go to the convention, is inoculation for

the second convention because donald trump next week will have a lot of eyeballs on what is expected to be some of the fringe gentlemenest things he's advocated, and he will not have the kinds of -- the one living former republican president isn't his supporter, george w. bush. the former members of his cabinet and national security posts, one is the secretary of defense who likened his tactics to naziism. one is his chief of staff who called him an idiot, his former secretary of state who called him a moron. he's not going to have the kind of validaters for his role as commander-in-chief, but he's going to have plenty of people throwing stink bombs at this ticket. part of their mission this week was inoculation from the ron johnson-like smears and stink bombs. how do you think they did in terms of inoculating themselves

and familiarizing themselves and their families with this huge tv audience ahead of what's sure to come next week? >> i think if you start from monday forward, joe biden has had an amazing set of validaters, surrogates, people who speak for him over the course of this last week, and they are not people who are dragged out obscurity. these are stalwarts of the party, names that are familiar to a lot of americans. i think because they have made the case so successfully against president trump, against his form of governance which is chaos, that it opens a door and allows a space for joe biden tonight to do what gene just said, which is to speak toward the future, toward, as he describes, building back better, not just what we have before, but what we're going to have better for the future, and i think the surrogates he's had

this week have been so effective in making the case against the president, have really enabled joe biden to speak to the hopefulness for the future. >> we'll be watching john heilemann whose hotel wi-fi was four stars. happy to see you. i've missed you. donna edwards, eugene robinson, thank you for spending time with us. we're grateful. if not for our next guest, joe biden's big moment accepting the democratic presidential nomination may not have happened. congressman jim clyburn of south carolina joins us here live. you can add steve bannon to the long list of donald trump insiders in trouble with the law. trump's former top adviser arrested on a yacht and indicted today on charges of fraud. that's not the only legal trouble in strum r trump world. federal judge in new york ordered trump to turn over his tax records to the manhattan district attorney. how much closer could we be to seeing trump's taxes? those stories and more when

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i can think of no one with the integrity, no one more committed to the fundamental principles to make this country what it is than my good friend, my late wife's great friend, joe biden. [ applause ]

>> south carolina congressman jim clyburn endorsed joe biden just days before his state's primary in february. if it hadn't been for that big heartfelt endorsement joe biden might not be getting ready to accept the democratic party's presidential nomination a few hours from now. let's bring in south carolina democratic congressman jim clyburn. congressman, i remember watching that -- back in the days when we all packed into the studio around the table, we had watched the results of iowa which was muddy, took a week to come in, the results of new hampshire, and then i think the third was nef nef. this race was heading in a very different direction before that moment and i wonder, because of that, how this feelings tonight. >> i feel good. i've known joe biden for a long time. he's just one of the real good people that you find in government. people always look for you to be

perfect. all of us in politics will sometimes make decisions that may not be about the way we intended. that's happened to anybody who signed on to a piece of legislation or who developed a piece of legislation. when it comes to just being a good person, guided by faith, rooted in the constitution of these united states of america, wanting for others as much as he would have for himself, you can't get a better person than joe biden. i think that's what this country really needs right now. i said i study history a lot. i can remember reading a lot of lessons of the toke ville stuff. i remember saying this country is not great because it's more likely the head of the nation, but rather because it's always been able to repair its fault.

fault lines develop. people have to sit down and work together to repair those things. covid-19 has demonstrated that we've got a problem with our health care delivery system, a problem with our educational system. there are things we've just got to do and we cannot do them in a divided fashion. we've got to come together as one country. e pluribus unum, out of many is one. that's what has to happen this year. and joe biden symbolizes that and he really lives that as much as anything that i've ever met in public office. >> i think you just gave the best articulation, no surprise, that i've heard all week for what we've seen this week which is an adherence to his principles, but among them bipartisanship and appearances from cindy mccain who narrated

that video of joe biden with john mccain. john cass sick and others and i know it's caused some consternation among the very important, very vibrant base of the democratic party. to your point, if they win, they're going to have a lot of healing to do. so is that for you one of the most important themes this week? >> absolutely. absolutely. that's what this is all about. sure you want to win an election, but you want to hold on to a democracy. you want your country to be vibrant. you want your country to be respected. you want your country to provide for each and every one of its citizens a really productive life. you want to leave something for your children and your grandchildren to build upon, and that's what this campaign is going to be about. the night before obama was inaugurated, i went to a dinner there in washington, and i walked in the room looking for

my seat. lo and behold it was next to john mccain and cindy. we developed that night a relationship that we held on all the way up to his death. that is what we need now, those kinds of relationships. he didn't boycott the dinner because he lost his election to obama. no, he came as a sign of helping the country to heal from what was a pretty divisive election. that's what we need in this country. that's what this country is all about. this country is not always built that all men are created equal. it's a pledge that all of us have said when we were kids growing up in school. every morning we would close our pledge of allegiance with liberty and justice for all, knowing full well that was a pursuit. we must remain in pursuit of

that. we can't step back from that. we can't go off on a tangent. joe biden represents everything we need in this country today in order to hold on to this democracy which is very fragile. it's a very fragile thing. but we can lose it. >> donald trump is trying to make sure he pulls the levers that he's able to pull to impair people's ability to vote by mail. you've got louis dejoy coming before the house tomorrow, tomorrow, i believe, in front of the senate. how can he be held accountable? how can the damage be undone that's already been done by dejoy and donald trump? >> well, i don't know. we're working very hard. i just got off a telephone call with nancy pelosi and steny hoyer and lou hahn. we are really a bit upset by the fact that this man is tearing at

the fabric to keep this country together. i always said that the post office is the thread that holds the fabric of this counted together. i've been to some significant rural communities, and these people love the post office. that's their gathering place. they meet each other for lunch, picking up their mail at the post office, going off to have lunch at the corner store. it's so much of what america is, enshrined in our constitution. so why would we have people serving in office ripping the constitution apart in every way they possibly can? i don't know what we can do, but we'll be back on saturday. we're going to pass a piece of legislation and send it over to the senate. i would hope that the public will weigh in and tell mitch mcconnell it is time to stop this foolishness. it's time to make it convenient for people to vote, make sure

they don't ruin their health or in any way jeopardize their quality of health by going to vote. make it convenient for people to vote and that is what we ought to be doing. that's how you keep a democracy together, not by tearing it apart and making it difficult for people to exercise that which is fundamental for any democracy. casting a vote and be committed to leaving a country for someone to build upon rather than tearing it apart. that's what this guy is doing, tearing this country apart. it's time for us to wake up and recognize that and do what each and every one of us can, to get beyond this. this pandemic and race relations in this country have form a climate that we've got to get beyond. if we don't do it, i'm afraid

there won't be much left to leave to our children. >> congressman jim clyburn, echoing the warnings of the threats to our democracy we've heard all week long from former president obama, former first lady michelle obama. thank you so much, sir, for spending time with us. we're grateful. >> thank you for having me. tonight at 8:00 eastern special coverage of the final night of the democratic convention with two very special guests, dr. jill biden and hillary clinton will join us live at 8:00. when we come back, steve bannon has been indicted on charges of fraud. federal prosecutors accusing donald trump's former top adviser in a scheme they say bui bilked more than a million dollars from people who thought they were helping to build trump's border wall. that's not the only trouble facing team trump today. we'll explain next. y. we'll explain next come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card.

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double whammy of bad legal news this morning. a judge clearing the way for new york prosecutors to obtain his tax returns, a major blow in the president's battle to keep them secret forever and ever and ever. just moments later his former top aide and chief strategist steve bannon was taken off a yacht off the coast of connecticut and into federal custody. he and three others face wire fraud and money lawn during charges stemming from an online crowd funding campaign that promised to help fund the border wall. according to the indictment bannon received more than $1 million in the scheme and spent hundreds of thousands on his own

personal expenses. bannon has entered a not guilty plea and is being released today on $5 million bond. his travel is limited to the u.s. and he must surrender his passport and his use of private jets and yachts. bannon is just the latest in the string of high-profile trump insiders in legal trouble. trump's reaction to the news followed a now familiar pattern. he distanced himself from bannon and diminished the role played by his top adviser. watch. >> i feel very badly. i haven't been dealing with him for a long period of time. i know nothing about the project other than i didn't like -- when i read about it, i didn't like it. i said this is for government, this isn't for private people. i think it's a very sad thing for mr. bannon. i think it's surprising. >> joining us, former federal prosecutor wren nad dough mayor atity and "new york times" correspondent mike smit author of "drum versus the united states, inside the struggle to

stop a president." let's start with the reporting of how this came to be. steve bannon has been involved in other investigations involving the president, a witness in the mueller probe. he testified before congress, but this is the first federal indictment for alleged crimes. how did it come to be? >> that's sort of the interesting thing here is that bannon has found himself caught up in this swirl of all these investigations that have looked at trump, his administration and his campaign. here is something that's sort of unrelated to those investigations. this is not from the mueller investigation, not about his testimony to congress in connection with the russia probes that have looked at election meddling. this is related to basically the idea of using private moneys to build the wall, and this money would have been used to build the wall in places that the federal government was not going to pay for that. that is obviously an incredibly

important tenet of trumpism. the president ran on that. that was one of the most important parts of his campaign. but here was bannon taking that notion and making money off it, profiting from that and giving people the idea that they would be paying to actually create the wall themselves. so it's literally profiting from trumpism in a way that certainly i have not seen in this administration. >> donald trump has people staying at his hotels all around the world, people currying favor to meet tinges and know to do dinners at his hotel in washington. let me show you my colleague geoff bennett pushing on that topic. >> respectfully, sir, it's roger stone, rick gates, paul manafort, michael cohen. what does this say about your judgment about the culture of lawlessness around people --

>> there was great lawlessness in the obama administration. they spied on our campaign illegally. if you look at all the things and all the scandals they had, they had tremendous lawlessness. but i was not involved in the project. i have no idea who was. >> it's a partisan statement to say this but the obama white house was famously pretty scandal-free. what does it say to you, that projection, all the president's men when it comes to donald trump are indicted or jailed or felons? >> it's really telling that his answer to that question was, well, actually that's not the case or there's a good explanation or i wasn't involved. he didn't really have one. he tried to deflect and made a false statement about the obama administration. what he called spying was actually surveillance that was court ordered. it wasn't illegal in any way. what it really says to me is

these are the sort of people he attracts and steve bannon is somebody who is a garden variety fraud cent fraudster. he was lying to people to bilk them out of their life savings. >> mike schmidt, the other development was a federal judge clearing the way for the manhattan district attorney to get closer to getting his hands on donald trump's taxes. win or lose in november, this case is proceeding. what does that mean for donald trump's on going legal exposure? >> i think this shows that regardless of what happens in november, legal questions around trump will continue into next year, if not longer for years to come. in this case this has been playing out for a long period of time. some legal experts say it's going to take a long time for the process of this to work itself out, and it's hard to believe that the prosecutors will actually get these documents before the election.

and even if they got the documents before the election, it doesn't necessarily mean they would become public because they would have to be used in an indictment or at a trial. so there's a real lag time here on a lot of these things. but at a very basic level, this kind of story we're seeing, these developments, we will hear more of them in the year to come. >> long arm of the law. renato, mike schmidt, thank you for spending time with us. when we come back, the democratic convention set to kick off its final night with a ticket and vision that stands in very stark contrast to donald trump. that's next. >> tech: when you've got auto glass damage...

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nicole. i thought that kamala did exactly what i hoped that she would do, introduce herself to america, talk about her values, her american story, how she was going to help joe biden win and restore competency to the white house. >> you know, one of the things that i picked up in my reporting is that team trump is acutely aware of her superior skill set as a debater and concerned about this debate against mike pence. obviously joe biden picked her as a partner to put this country back together if they win in november. but just on the piece that worries the trump team, what do you expect for that night? >> well, i think kamala is a masterful debater. she's tough. she's a great questioner and she's es experienced and she's experienced on a number of levels. she ran a big agency as attorney general in california. she's a senator.

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protect her and men know that's wrong, too, that she's going to win with joe biden because of her experience and because of her ideas. >> you've been at the center of a lot of the most emotional stories that we've covered in the last few weeks. john we've covered. jon lewis was at black lives matter plaza. you introduced the family of george floyd. are you satisfied with the prominence these issues have? do you want to hear more? tell me how you feel. >> i am satisfied that we're having a national conversation. i'm satisfied that there have been some really thoughtful pieces of legislation and ni initiatives introduced. i'm satisfied of americans of every stripe and background are also talking about these issues.

i know that movements last more than four months. that we have to be persistent about change, and know that kamala harris' vice presidency with joe biden will represent one real change of a group of people, black women who have been part of all the toils and struggles in our nation, are being seen and recognized at the very highest levels. so that's one fascinating encouraging thing about this, about joe biden's run for president, which is important. but joe biden also knows how to turn words in all of our expressions of protest into action. he knows government. he's been there on both sides at the congress, and on the executive side. and with kamala, they will hire

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