hello, everyone. i am alicia menendez. following breaking news on a busy saturday evening on capitol hill as the house works to pass a $25 billion bill to fund the post office.

new details about the widespread mail slowdown. democrats say they're much worse than the trump administration is letting on. we talk to the chair of the house oversight committee about that. a rough week for team trump on the legal front from paul manafort's ties to russians to steve bannon's indictment and new rule on the president's taxes. democrats making history at their convention, but with 73 days to the election, there are more challenges ahead. and new reporting sob soboroff. how the family separation program got its start. right now, they're working on a bill to prevent changes to the postal service before election day. they want to inject $25 billion to help them handle operational capacity. if it passes the house, it heads to the senate. the white house is already vowing a veto. america got to meet the post

master general friday, the man president trump picked to make operational changes at usps that are now threatening our election. dejoy admitted to the homeland security committee there have indeed been mail delays since he took over two months ago but promised the election would not be effected. speaking on the hill, house speaker nancy pelosi said the legislation is not just about the election. >> the post master general is saying we're not going to do this until after the election. our legislation is not just about the election. it's about surprise, surprise, mr. post master general, the coronavirus. covid-19. which has a big impact on the election as well as first and foremost on the health of the american people. >> dejoy will be back monday to testify before the house oversight committee. today, the chair of that committee, congressman carolyn

maloney had a trove of documents showing how the changes were more wide reaching than he is letting on. we'll be joined by congressman maloney later. lee ann, good to see you. where does the vote stand as of this moment? >> hi, alicia, good to see you, too. the house is voting as we speak on this legislation and it is coming as the president made a last minute attempt to persuade lawmakers to vote against it. he just tweeted moments ago this is a hoax, that the post office does not need the money to make any changes. this is all another hoax by the democrats to get 25 billion for political purposes, without talking about the universal mail in ballot which he says goes against everything the country stands for. while the president is tweeting, it is clearly evidence this bill

is going to pass any moment. >> is there any republican support for this? >> there is, when you pull up the full screen of the house vote, 24 republicans voted in favor of it. there's a variety of reasons, some are republicans in tough re-election races are voting for it. other republicans that represent rural districts that really rely on the post office are also feeling the pressure and are voting for it as well. i will say 24 is more than i thought was going to and the number, the vote is not even over. that could increase. but yes, there are republicans that think it is necessary to support the bill. the postal service is one of the most popular discussions in the country right now. >> and you have the white house vowing to veto, you read us tweets from president trump. what are the chances of getting

any republican support in the senate? >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has not spoken specifically on this legislation, but he did say in a media appearance in his home state of kentucky the other day that everything will be fine, that there are not major issues with the postal service and that they will eventually get money they need. so it doesn't seem like there's any urgency from the majority leader in the senate to bring up this legislation and i think that the house, even though if they passed it overwhelmingly, probably where the legislation is going to die. >> right. so if it gets stalled out, where do democrats take the fight from here? >> well, on monday in two days they're going to hear from the post master general, louis dejoy, he will appear before the house oversight committee, his second appearance on capitol hill. he will be pressured

dramatically by democrats on not only the delivery service but also this idea of mail in ballots and his relationship with the president and treasury secretary mnuchin. in your lead, you'll talk to the chair of that committee any ,delivery processing of mail decreased more than 9%, including priority mail which is how ballots are sent through, mail in ballots are sent through the postal service. >> we'll keep an eye on the vote. thank you for joining us. this week, democrats made their case why trump is not the leader our democracy needs. >> but while i'll be a democratic candidate, i will be an american president. i'll work hard for those that didn't support me, as hard for them as i did for those that did vote for me.

that's the job of a president, to represent all of us, not just our base or our party. this is not a partisan moment. this must be an american moment. >> but joe biden faces another daunting challenge as we head into november. he has to persuade those voters that voted for republicans in the past and convince the most progressive members of his own party that he will deliver on bigger systemic change. the question for democrats is how do they build a big enough tent to comfortably house both under one roof without it collapsing on it self. bring ingest ka bird, founding partner and civic engagement director for national domestic workers alliance. and author of tio bernie. i wanted to talk to all of you because you live in this space between movement work, electoral

work. very often we act as if they're different silos that have no concentric circles and that just is not true. jess morales, set the stakes. why is it important to get this right, to be able to engage voters that need to be persuaded from the right and to persuade those who need to be persuaded from the left? >> the shorter answer is that's the way you win. so if you don't do both, joe biden is probably not winning the election. the other i think important point here is this is also how you keep the democratic party together. we know the more progressive members of the party do not have a lot of -- the younger you go in voter, the more mel a anyone, the less party affiliation they have. what you're seeing is in the course of the next two, five, ten years, if the party doesn't learn to embrace the progressive energy and progressive values and views, they will no longer

be the party of the left. and that's afraid relationship right now. the party has to figure out how are they going to bring in all of this movement energy, these movement leaders to actually feel like they have a home in the democrats. >> jessica, there was a lot of conversation and attention paid to the messengers, the people given speaking time, for good reason, a lot of conversation out there. there were also messages that slipped in that we almost didn't realize they wouldn't have been part of the message four years ago. the fact you had multiple people on stage saying black lives matter, the fact that you had undocumented immigrants and not just dreamers, undocumented immigrants that had come here later in their lives. one would argue that implicitly shows the party has already shifted. >> i think that that's true. i also think that social movements can see the future

which is why we should allow social movements to be the central, moral compass of our politics. the fears, hopes, dreams and future of our people. i think the democrats were able to demonstrate diversity in geography in generational politics, in identity, et cetera, and that's good for all of us. and the system is unbelievably unsatisfactory at naming the big visions and structural changes that are needed for full participation in this aspiring democracy. the good news is that social movements and in particular black social movements that have changed the political conditions of the summer and this election cycle aren't waiting for people to say our messages for us. the movement for black lives will host the first ever virtual

black national convention in honor of 1972, this friday at 7:00 p.m. we know that will be an opportunity to have a self determining political vision for this country outside of people's comforts, outside of what parties believe is politically possible. >> chuck, i want to pull up an op-ed you had in "new york times" called joe biden's secret untapped weapon. you write by some estimates, 60% of eligible latino voters tend to view mr. trump unfavorably will sit out the 2020 election. rallying these voters, most of them young, hostile to mr. trump will be vital to capturing the white house. how did that effort play out during the convention and what room is there left for democrats to engage those voters in the lead up to november? >> thank you. hat trick to my sisters from the

movement. honored to be here. what you do is have a conversation. we overcomplicate this way too much. go have a conversation, take the message to the community. people ask me every day, how did you get latinos to vote for an old socialist democrat from vermont. we went to the neighborhood, spent money, had a conversation with latinos that aren't prime voters. it is not rocket science. an old mexican redneck from me from texas can do it, smart educated white boys from harvard should be able to figure it out. it ain't that hard. what you do, you go there and have the conversation. >> jess, i am going to kick over a similar version of that question to you. you have a few more than 70 days to get this done. the tensions will continue to play out. the past of the party, future of the party, desire to bring in more progressive wing versus not wanting to play into any of trump's boogie men. how does the party get it right

in the time left? >> i think the only way to do this is to do what my mom said, be true to yourself. we right now have the ability to mobilize people in the streets to the ballot box. we have the ability to recognize the folks that have come before us and that's what we have an opportunity to do, not just in this election but beyond. i think if democrats stay true to the vision of people like john lewis and barack obama and jessica berg, they'll be in the right place. i think that vision, that beautiful kind of future we're imagining is exactly where people want to be. they want a leader but they also want to know that leader will put us into a future that's better than where we are now. and that future is not a republican future. you know, i think we have to win voters. i get it. we have to win elections. i get it. you don't have to tell me that. i think you have to tell people

why to turn out at all. and in the midst of a global pandemic, the only way to do that is to communicate a vision that people want to be part of. >> jessica, we're rolling into the republican national convention. i wonder from your perch what you're listening for. >> well, so one thing, i want to bridge between distinctions between the democratic party and the republican national convention and what i'll be looking for. we actually are clear about the republican play book right now which is to scare people into thinking there's a boogie man coming, that we are anarchists, socialists that don't care about the rule of law, willing to burn down cities. that's a fear tactic that's been stoked across generations about black civil unrest and disobedience that has been one of the main measure sticks of progress in this country. what i actually feel like could

happen, a way to truly distance ourselves from that level of rhetoric is by leaning into the fact that black people are the true bearers of democracy in this country, that actually our uprising is a symbol of hope. that there are 50 state rebel yons, people are standing up for their communities and telling their stories, one of the most hopeful projects of this country. what we should do is protect those people. protesters are being kidnapped off the streets. getting charged for peacefully protesting. we're seeing the national guard still desendicending on cities. this is a chance for democrats to say we support and uplift social movements, we believe you, we trust you. you are our moral core and we will do anything we can to protect you. that wasn't said. so what's going to happen

instead is that we will have a republican national convention that will continuously ask their base to be afraid of black people, to treat black people as criminal and as outside of our democratic process, and we, the movement for black lives have to do the work of defending and protecting black people when what we should have is a national dialogue that says black lives not only matter are worthy of defense, protection, and to not be treated as if they're not a meaningful part of the process. >> chuck, when it comes to latinos, there are two separate things we'll see. we're both going to see trump play a button we see him hit over and over again about immigration and fear around immigration and fear around a country that's changing demographically. and at the same time, making appeal to latinos, about the 30% of latinos he can get, thinks he can scoop enough off biden's numbers that may give him the margin he needs in some places.

what are the messages you're looking out for? >> the more donald trump talks, the better latino vote gets for most democrats. what i'm looking at, there are three times, latinos are three times more apt to die. they have unbelievable anxiety over their government's failure. across the board do not like this president. but what they're yearning to hear is for joe biden and kamala harris to tell them what they're going to do for them. democrats listen to them. you still have an opportunity to do that. it is not too late. i have been in these wars for 31 years. you can turn this around. it is not the end of the world. all donald trump will do is fear monger more hate to get one, two, three more percent of this. i'm going to work every day between now and the end to make sure he does not. >> that's right. >> thank you. still to come, the house voting on a measure to fund the postal service. keeping an eye on that vote on capitol hill for you.

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the report that just came out, the fifth volume from the senate intelligence committee that was signed off on by republicans as well as democrats paints a very clear and damning picture of coordination between the trump campaign and representatives of the russian government and the interference that was directed by putin from the kremlin into our elections, but what's really troubling me

is that even trump's intelligence officials now, joe, are saying it is still going on. >> russia is working to influence our elections again. that's the grave warning from the bipartisan senate intelligence report out this week. it is a nearly 1,000 page document and details how trump and campaign staff welcomed help from russia. what is most striking is that it even goes further than the mueller report. let's bring in our national security correspondent from politico. when you say it goes furtherer th than the mueller report, what does that mean? >> there were a number of areas where it revealed more than we stunld about certain russian players that interfered in 2016. namely, one of the people paul manafort, the campaign chairman, was in constant contact with, constantine kol i am nick. he is a russian intelligence

officer. the special counsel report said he had ties to russian intelligence, didn't go as far to say this guy is actively working for russian intelligence. that was a pretty big bombshell. another way it went further, they described paul manafort as a counter intelligence threat himself to the campaign. they said because of his communications with someone who was an intel officer, there was large degree of possibility of the campaign being coopted by the threat. adding to that, there were more revelations about people, people that trump jr. and paul manafort met with at trump tower who had deeper ties to russian intelligence than was previously understood and previously laid out in the mueller report, and the report went further in describing how the president likely lied under oath when he said he didn't remember speaking to his long time friend and confidant, roger stone, about wikileaks. this report in many ways because

it was not a criminal investigation, it was able to go further than mueller was. it was not within those parameters. it was a counterintelligence probe and lasted longer, the mueller investigation did. this was going on about three-and-a-half years. there was more they were able to uncover. >> we also have malcolm nance, terrorism analyst, author of "the plot to betray america." malcolm, what stood out about this report? >> well, natasha did a good job going over the main highlights. i want to emphasize something for the viewing audience. the fact that this was a counter intelligence report. the phrase counterintelligence in simple parlance that civilians understand is spy hunting. this is the report mueller pulled back from, where they identified the threats to the united states by foreign

intelligence agencies and agents of influence. in other words, americans who were in contact with spies or suspected russian spies, as the report called the former russian military intelligence officer, believed to be acting in the role of an intelligence liaison or intelligence recruiter, we don't know, but at this point he had so much contact with manafort who did the same thing for the pro-moscow ukranian president in 2004 and 2014, to throw an election into the hands of your allies, but manafort also took polling data, data related to the internals of the campaign and gave this to the suspected russian spy to use a simple term and he passed it on to a russian oligarch. from there, we don't know how they managed to influence the united states, but the threats

are there. this is a very dangerous circumstance for the united states because the president's own campaign manager may have been a russian intelligence asset, if not an agent of a foreign power. >> natasha, republicans signed off on this report. what does that tell you? >> yes, so that obviously gives it even more legitimacy in the sense that there was marco rubio who signed off on this, said yes, these conclusions are sound, worked on this. stavros worked for republican majorities worked on it for years. this is a bipartisan product. it is harder for the president and allies to try to undermine it. there have been attempts by folks like marco rubio again, acting chairman of the senate intel committee to downplay the findings and say it shows no collusion between the campaign and russia, but at the same time

they seem to be on the same page about the extensive nature of contacts, ties to russian intelligence, and going as far as to say paul manafort may have had something to do with hacking and leaking operation that we saw in 2016. that's a really big revelation. now, a lot of it is redacted, we couldn't actually see what their evidence was for that. but they were working hand in hand with the intel community, both sides of the aisle, to come up with one of the most comprehensive records of the coordination that went on between the campaign and russia in 2016 than i think we've seen so far. >> malcolm, here's the big question. what does this mean for the next 73 days? >> well, what it means is that, and we now see the pathways of influence, the hack and release pathways in more detail, greater detail. you know, we suspected all this. i must have said it a thousand times, natasha as well, these

activities. now we have the evidence that this occurred. but what it means for the next 73 days is all of those activities which occurred in the run up to the 2016 election, this administration has done nothing to stop it. you could argue that they've actually embraced these foreign intelligence contacts, embraced the strategy of using lies, propaganda, disinformation to influence the u.s. public. instead of having russia's military intelligence and internet research agency, the trump campaign is doing it themselves now. so we're going to see a lot more influence. the only question that's left now, is russia going to attack the united states election directly. there will be no consequences for it if donald trump is reelected, but it remains to be seen whether vladimir putin is that bold. >> a big question indeed. malcolm, natasha, thank you both for spending some time with us.

more legal troubles for team trump in the next hour. we look at the fraud charges against steve bannon and ask why the president is fighting so hard to keep his own tax returns out of the hands of prosecutors. plus, it is happening already, weeks into the semester. clusters of coronavirus forcing colleges across the country to reconsider their plans. and beginning monday, join msnbc for special coverage of the republican national convention. rachel maddow joy reed, brian wallace, nicole williams will bring you that here on msnbc. w bring you that here on msnbc [♪]

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>> the annual college tradition, lugging bags into dorms and emotional good-byes, colored by covid-19. >> do you think the college experiment can work right now? >> if everyone does their part, then yeah. >> a lot of kids my age just don't think it is going to effect them as much and they're like okay, worst case scenario, i quarantine and get over it. >> as 3500 students move in to florida atlantic university with masks and myriad of rules on safety, shock waves nationwide are still sinking in. >> everyone is scared across the board and frightened about having to interact in person. >> high profile schools like unc chapel hill, michigan state, notre dame, pushing pause on in person classes or telling students not to come to campus. >> spike in cases is very serious and we must take serious steps to address it. >> notre dame confirming 222 cases of coronavirus, noting

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twitter feed. tell me what the day was like, what the experience was like, what it meant to you. >> alicia, first of all, thank you so much for having me on your show this evening. i'm going to tell you, when i walked into that polling location tuesday it was a surreal experience. i went there with my family the first time ever that i was able to lead my family in to vote. and that's something that i used to think about so much, especially when i heard stories during the civil rights era how mom and dad would take the family to go vote. it was bittersweet. while i was in there, i took the spirit of my ancestors with me, those hung, bitten by dogs, sprayed by hoses, so i would have that opportunity. i also took the spirit of over 774,000 returning citizens in the state of florida that did not get the opportunity to

experience what i felt, you know, to experience what it felt like to be a complete citizen, to be able to participate in democracy and so it was a bunch of emotions flowing through me, i cried a little bit, definitely laughed, had a great time with my family, but my heart still went back to the fact that while i was able to celebrate democracy and be part of an election, there are so many others because they lived in the state of florida, a state that insists on fighting against what amendment 4 was able to achieve, that we still got much work to do. >> talk to me about that work. where do you see the fight going from here? >> well, listen, you know, i was thinking today about how, you know, when the first folks came over from england and they were settling and didn't like what the king was doing, how they

rose up, right, because there was taxation without representation, and they stood up and said no, we will not tolerate this. now here we are in 2020 and we have a state that's holding democracy hostage, right? we have so many american citizens that want to participate in democracy. so the thing that i know to do is that we need to rise up. and that's exactly what's been happening, that patriots all over this country have been saying that, you know, the state of florida should never have to make an american citizen choose between putting food on their kids' plate or voting, or choose between paying rent or voting, so if the state of florida insists on fighting against the expansion of democracy, then people across the country will stand up, they will donate to the fines and fees fund which we started so we can help returning citizens who want to vote be able to pay off their

outstanding legal financial obligations, register them to vote, get them to the polls because let's face it, 2020 is the most critical election that this country has ever faced and it is only fitting that each and every one of its american citizens should be able to have a say in where our democracy is going from here. >> desmond, talk me through some of the efforts. you talk about court fees and victims restitution, what does that mean to a person who wants to vote? what is the fee that is being imposed on a person seeking the right to vote? >> you know, that's a great question, alicia. let me tell you, the end of the day the trial court had it right when they ruled in may, they found these excess fees and costs were just like a poll tax, that these were financial obligations, the overwhelming majority of them financial

obligati obligations that didn't pertain to the offense someone committed, they were just the cost of doing business, and rightfully so, the trial judge ruled it was unconstitutional. you are talking about all kinds of nuanced fees. so basically they're holding our democracy hostage so we can finance the state. once again, we started a fines and fees fund, we raised over $4 million, and to date we paid over $3 million worth of fines and fees to individuals so that they could go ahead and register to vote. there are many other folks that may not owe fines and fees. we're doing everything within our power to get word out to let folks know that they need to find out whether or not they owe, they need to sign up and register to vote, need to play a

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the house just passed a bill to beef up funding to the u.s. post office and prevent any further changes before the election. the bill, which passed 257-150 provides an additional $25 billion to the cash-strapped federal agency and wards off further cost-cutting measures, like axing overtime for employees, limiting postoffice hou -- post office hours and removing machines. char

the chairman of the oversight comm committee released a trove of documents showing cuts in the post office have been deeper than he's been letting on. what message do you hope the passage of this bill sends? >> in is a strong message, over 26 republicans voted with us under severe pressure from their leadership not to. it shows that many people care, it's a bipartisan approach about the post office, preserving it and certainly stopping any detrimental damaging actions from this postmaster general that will in any way make it harder to vote until after the pandemic, after the election. it showed that the american people really spoke to them and spoke hard, that we like our post office, we like getting our medicines, our mail and we depend on it. don't mess with the post office. that's what the bill did. it said don't mess with it, fund

it, let them do their job, let them help the american people get their mail, their medications, their business documents, their ballots, all of the essential information that flows to the american people across the country through our post office. i'm thrilled with the vote. it sends a strong message to the senate that they've got to act, too. >> there are a lot of institutions that which they had the 90% approval rating that usps enjoys. i want to ask you about the office of management that, quote, it seeks to -- what do you make of the recommendation? >> i think it's political, i think it's ridiculous and i would totally disregard it. number one, it doesn't make any restrictions on the post office. if you want to make it better,

then go right ahead. what it says is stop destroying the post office. stop making it harder to vote. stop destroying equipment that speeds up the vote. just stop it until after the pandemic and after the election, the important election that is coming up. so i think that the republicans have a hard time figuring out what they want. first they told us that they wanted a stand-alone bill that just funded the post office. the president asked for it, other people were saying that's what we want. well, we gave it to them. they have it with a resounding bipartisan vote. now they're saying, well, what we really wanted attached to covid and taking care of the covid challenges, too. well, we already passed that on may 15th. they've got that vote. they can go with that package. but let's act. let's do something to help the american people, let's do something to help the post

office. and it precedes our constitution. the pony express was running around america delivering newspapers and mail long before the constitution. it is one of the few requirements of government. it's in the constitution, it's a pillar of our democracy and delivers essential services every day with medications, packages, mail, information and ballots. so let's preserve the post office, let's move forward, let's get it done. they've got two choices in front of them -- >> your committee is going -- i was going to say your committee is going to hear from dejoy on monday. what do you plan on focusing on? >> i want to know what in the world was he thinking about when he implemented these changes? why do you do something so destructive? and the information that we received from the postal service that is accurate information, accurate data, it shows that

under his leadership it has been 10% slower. that's a huge number in a small time. so what in the world was he trying to accomplish? how was he trying to help the post office by making it harder to vote, harder to get the mail? and harder to vote by mail. >> it's wide live believly beli ll legislation is going to stall out in the senate. you have the president saying already he's going to veto it. where do you take this fight from here? >> at one point he said that he wanted to fund it and he wanted a stand-alone bill so we gave it to him. now he says he wants to veto it. well, we may be able to override his veto if the american people keep speaking out. personally i hope that he will listen to the american people, sign the bill, preserve the postal services for america. every president in history has supported the post office. i expect him to do the same. i hope that he will listen to

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