in a minute we'll get to some breaking news from "the washington post." it obtains secretly recorded audio of president trump's sister and in that audio she made scathing comments about him specifically of his administration policies of separation of children from their families at the border. we got exclusive reporting. one convention down, one to go. the national convention starts this monday. it will be noticeably different from the democrats convention this week in a lot of ways. the dnc showcased diversity and a framework for the future after president trump. >> let me be as honest and clear as i possibly can. donald trump is the wrong president for our country. >> donald trump has not grown into the job because he can't. and d consequenthe consequences

failure are severe. >> the constant chaos levers av adrift. the incompetence makes us feel afraid. the callousness makes us feel alone. >> this is our moment and our mission. at the end of this chapter of darkness begins here tonight as love and hope and light join into battle for the soul of the nation >> the president says the rnc will strike an upbeat tone. >> a lot of the commentary was very dark. >> i agree. >> what are we going to see from your party? >> we'll see it uplifting and positive. that's what i would like our voters to be. >> joe biden's favorability rose

by six points after the convention but no polls or convention will matter if people do not vote. the house held a saturday session and passed the $25 billion bill to help fund the u.s. postal service. the goal is to ensure mail-in ballots are delivered in time to be counted. mitch mcconnell is outline likely to bring the bill to the floor. president trump says he'll not sign it. somehow members returned to washington for tonight's vote. our senator joe kennedy is running for the seat against ed markee. congressman kennedy, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> what's the end game to this bill? house democrats passed it. mostly on a party line, there were 26 republicans crossed

party line to vote for this. what's the end game? >> so the end game joshua is the highlight. the fact that postal service wants a critical aspect of our country which everybody knows. two is trying to deliver votes, ballots during the midst of the pandemic so we can exercise the right to vote. it is also about a way a lot of folks getting their prescription medications or paychecks. it is a critical aspect and critical component to our daily functioning. what the president is essentially saying is that because he's so afraid of what may happen on election day, he's willing to sacrifice everything and everyone else. what will in fact drive the republicans back to the table to

negotiate, it is going to be public pressure. what you saw is democrats will increase pressure to make sure we can deliver for the american public. >> do you think there is efficient public pressure to get mitch mcconnell to bring this bill to the senate floor? >> i think it is rising, joshua. i will tell you that as i go out and around massachusetts and i have been out a lot lately. there are two issues that are driving the conversations everywhere and almost everyone. one is the postal service and the other is schools. the fact that those two things are alike. people and families are uncertain and scared and unsure of what to do with their kids and whether they can go back to school in the fall. what they are asking for is asissiasi assisting and guidance to fund the government. that's what the house democrats done twice. it is time for republicans to

come to the table and deliver for the american public. >> let me ask you about your senate race. i want to play a clip of a high-profile endorsement that came in your favor. >> never before have we have elected great leader. that's why i am proud to endorse joe kennedy for senate. in 2018 when we took back the house, joe campaigned across america to make that victory possible. he knows we must be on the frontlines leading the people. massachusetts in america needs joe kennedy's leadership in the senate to fight for the change we need. thank you. >> so an endorsement from house speaker nancy pelosi, ed markey

is preferred by half the others. why did you think is a good time to run now against senator markey? >> the fact that is we need more out of our senator. this is a critical time of our country and i thought that ten months ago before crisis of covid-19 or the economic decisions that came with it. when there are over 500,000 people gone homeless and 37 million people gone hungry. and the fact that covid-19 has made so many dekecent equities even worse. she's rig driving the change that we need not just in the community but around the country and that has not been what senator markey has

done. he's not out campaigning the country. as the speaker indicated, driving dozens of districts across the nation, helping to flip the house that we can hold and holding the administration accountsab accountab accountable, senator markey gone nowhere. it is a completely different responsibility to go out there and fight for the change we need. i have and i don't think senator markey has. we need a lot more. >> hopefully we have a chance to speak to senator markey. for now, we appreciate you making time, congressman joe kennedy. >> thank you. >> first, let's get to the breaking story from "the washington post." the paper reports scathing comments about the president from his sister. the secret recordings with

mary anne trump barry. the president has quote "no principles, none, none, and his base, if you are a religious person, you want to help people and not do this." this she's referring to of president trump's policies of separating children at the border. we have reporting on that policy. let's get to hunter walker, our correspondent for yahoo news and anita kumar at politico. good to have you both with us as this story moves. hunter, i wonder what your reaction is to this? is this just more color about what's going on at the trump's family or something else underneath this, within all these tapes? >> well, you know, i was with the president's sister on election night in 2016. she was in manhattan, she barely

comes out in public and i don't think anybody else recognized her. as the president took the stage and i turned to her and said, what do you think of this? what is this like for you? we always knew. of course if you listen to this recording, it sounds like she has a much different view of her brother in private. i think that kind of goes for mary trump as much as she did not write these books. she made these recordings after a financial dispute with family where mary feels she was cheated out of the inheritance. what strikes me is there is this obvious public and private, you know, between how they speak about their brother. they're not necessarily coming out about this in a principle way. she's not saying what she's privately saying on tape. mary seems to come out when it was after a financial dispute.

with that being said, some of the family does seemed loyal to the president. his brother, robert, just passed away. his wife was sharing articles of the new york post. when you dive into this family is just unquestionable and there is a high level of attention and financial disputes. apart from mary's book in public they managed to express some anonymity. >> is this basically the trump's version of "keeping up with the kardashians." is there anything more to this than family feuding? >> well, this is striking to me because you all just mentioned. we have not heard from the siblings. the only thing that the siblings of donald trump have said is

comme complimented him and this is what is expected. his niece who had been estranged for quite some time. so you kind of think oh, it is sour grapes over there. this is something that other members of the family feels. if you don't like donald trump, you will believe this and you are going to love all this. if you like him, you are not going to believer it. we are still back at the same point where america is split. >> hunter refused to believe the releasing of these tapes are coincidental. what do you see of this? >> well, i mean i hate to speculate on sources or the

reason for reporting. when i read this, it seems to me that mary was trying to push back on attacks that had been made about her books specifically one of the big buster allegations in there was the president had someone else take his college test for him and one of the audios that was released seem to prover that she got that information from the president's own sister. there seems to be a defense of her book. you are totally right, it could not come at a worst time for the president. he's down in the polls and he needs this big convention. speakers for the rnc includes almost half of them are members of his family and as anita was saying so far they have presented a unified front. this is a big crack in that versaill versailles. i think anita is absolutely

right on. the country is just so split right now. ea everyone has their own set of facts. for the people who did not like the president -- wow, his family is lying in public and his own sister does not like him. >> i ananita, before we move on wonder what your sense is of the totality of this book. there is money to be made for sure. >> i am not sure what's the accumulative effect of all of this going to be. >> i interviewed a trump supporter a few years ago, did you like what donald trump did for you. yes, economically business is booming and 401-k is awesome. i asked him would you do

business with donald trump? he said "i would get the money half up front first." what do you think of these stories accumulative? >> these are a lot of things we heard about donald trump, allegations that we sort of heard when he was running and in the beginning of his presidency and now here we are where there is a book coming out, seems like every week these days. these are maybe providing some of the proofs. i know donald trump says it is not proof. some of these stories and his security advisor and these books, some other books are things you heard that elaborates on them and gives you more details. i still go back to it is going to make people more energized that don't want him to get him out of office but again i talk

to trump supporters all over. they don't believe some of these things. anita and hunter, we appreciate you starting this hour with us. >> coming up, steve bannon, is char charged with defrauding trump supporters. how may one affect the other? p supporters how may one affect the other ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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"the washington post" broke an interesting story of recorded audio from president trump's sister. mary trump saying this about a rift began when she asked her brother a favor back in if '80s. "it is the phoniness of it all."

uni joining us now of the author of "trump revealed," michael kranish. >> thanks for having me. these stories go back from last year and before, right? >> they were taken 2018 and 2019. >> what do you make of these tapes in terms of what mary trump released in her book? >> she did refer to her aunt making various comments and a lot of the comments of this story were not in the book. mary trump is not saying that this is the source of the information. this is the first time people will know that these tapes exist and there were 15 hours of tapes over that time period. it is quite significant that you

have these candid conversations by the president's older sister publicly talking about her brother. her comments, she may be the first person on the planet who known donald trump the longest. she knows him as well as almost anyone. >> these tapes were recorded in new york and new york state law does allow recordings without the consent of both parties, right? >> one individual can basically, one person gives consent, the person makes the recording and the other person does not have to give con sentsent. that's not true in every state. >> some of these claims that are made in these tapes seem kind of

chi childish. some of it is just donald trump is not a nice person. there were a few things you noted that were more significant in terms of judge barry claiming that donald trump went to four different universities for two years but then he got eninto pennsylvania. he had someone else takes his exams. he cheated his way into school zm. >> this is something i have written in the past. when you listen to the tape, you see what she says, you can come to various conclusions. mary does say basically flatly that donald trump paid someone to take his sats to get into school. donald trump's education was

basically he went to florida for two years. mary trump does say in her tapes one or two years and he went to the warden school of finance. people say i went to warden, they're referring to a graduate school. donald trump had said getting into warden was the hardest school to get into. he had said that he was just super genius to get into that school. i did a story last year where i interviewed the admission office who interviewed donald trump and the admission's office was close friends with mary's father. that person, donald's brother asked to interview donald trump. it is very hard to get into the school. so he said that was not a

reflection of super genius and on top of that you paid someone to take your tests. that's more questions raised of how you got in. that reporting on the fact that it was not as hard to get in of all those years that donald trump went there had raised some questions. >> any response rather so far from the white house or the trump campaign? >> i contacted one yesterday and did not hear back. i called again today and did not hear back. have not heard back. maybe something is coming in the last 30 minutes. i will try to reach mary trump. i left her a message yesterday and today. so, have not heard back. what we have done on the story is that we posted audio of what

mary trump said. you can go on the website and you can listen to the words in these tapes. i think for a lot of readers that's what they should do. they should make their own judgment and listen to what she's saying and listen to the deflection of her voice. we don't have every tape or full tapes. you can listen to it yourself and make your own judgment and think about what she's saying. she does say some harsh things about the president. it is not just about her childhood at all. mary anne trump barry hearing about donald trump saying maybe they'll have to put her at the border, she was a federal judge at the time and there were refugees coming in and a lot of judges needed and children being separated from their parents. and, mary anne trump barry says,

always wants to do what appeals to his base. he had no principles. if you are a religious person, you want to help people and not do this. that's a strong statement of something of current events and not from childhood. she was upset by that and obviously if you listen to the tape, he ruled the i mmigration cases or the case that i linked to where she bcalled out a judg for not treating a asylum. >> we'll talk i mmigration just one second when we move on with this conversation. i know our time with us is tight. what incentives do you think judge barry would have to say

this? she didn't know she was being taped. it is not like she was doing this at the time. what does it add to the dimension of what we know about donald trump and his family if anything. is this just as i ask our last two guests, is this the trump's version of "keeping up with the kardashia kardashians" or is there more to it? >> i know nothing about the kardashians. >> lovely people, how dare you not follow them. >> anyway, the tapes that we are talking about here, mary does not show she's being taped. she thought he was talking to her niece. there is no motivation if you look at it that way, unless if you think that -- i will leave it to the listeners as to what they think. it is different than someone

saying something when they know it is going to get out there. she did not know she's being taped and she would never imagine it would be public. but, in their candid moment, she said some very negative things about her brother who she's known all her life. >> last thing before i let you go. >> if i was in donald trump's shoes and somebody releases tapes about me to family members of all the things i have done, i would be a, highly ticked and make sure why a family member would do this to me and say something about that and tape it secretly and then giver it to "the washington post." what does it tell you about mary trump's motivation in all of this? >> she's taking her sister to

giver to y give you as a reporter. should we trust her? >> she certainly said the same thing. i asked her the same question, why did you do this? what happens was back in 1999, donald trump, mary trump buried herself and brother. the article were trying to prevent mary and her brother getting the inheritance that she thought it would have gone to her father so they had a big court fight. and you know late er on mary trp learned that it was worth one of those billion dollars. she was doing this because she

felt she had not been told the truth about the family. she felt she had not spoken to us truthfully by the family. >> michael kranish with "the washington post." we appreciate you make the time. thanks very much. let's get you to a few more quotes particularly related to immigration policies. he also reports, quote, "children will be separated from their parents and put in camp quarters. all he wants to do is appeal to his base and his fans. >> he had no principles and his base. if you are a religious person, you want to help people and not do this. this comes as new reporting from nbc's julia and soboroff and

ainsley. two officials who were at the meeting say it was led by policy advisors steven miller. >> if we don't enforce this, it is the end of our country as we know it, unquote. >> all immigrant families including those who were going through official court proceedings. but, miller clashed with former homeland security with secretary neilson. she says the dhs do not have the resources to prosecute them. neilson kept her head down during the vote. >> nbc's jacob soboroff is joining us now. >> jacob, welcome. >> it is good to be here joshua. >> can you tell us what led to

this show of hands vote. >> i do want to say and i was listening to your conversation with michael. it is fascinating to hear members of the trump family and of course, the summer and mary trump and one of the key reasons she decided to write her book and see it as it really is. >> family separations and government sanctions and child abuse and positions for um rights. describe family separations. so what we described and julia ainsley and i have learned played out in the situation room ahead of that policy in may 2018. it is not remarkable because of who is there. we are talking about secretary of state as well as john bolton who was invited to be in this

room. john kelly, the white house's chief of staff. the white house council and there was a conflict between steven miller who wanted to go all out because tlahat's the on way i can describe it. tens of thousands more as we often separate it. the government is not ready and this does not exonerate him. ultimately she's the decision memo that resulted in thousands of children separated from her parents. >> one separated child is too many. >> a former member of the dhs, here he is reacting to your report.

>> the secretary certainly tried to behind the scene. finally reconvinced the president to an executive order. almost every single month the president said he wanted to reinsti -- >> what do you make of his reaction? >> we could have done more to pump the brakes. well, you would know this better than i do. i question if there were voice in the room who spoke as loudly on steven miller? >> you are right to question. the idea could have done more to pump the brake. kirsten neilson affected this policy.

the wide skill -- that's what began the accept separation. there will be disaster consequences and indeed more disasterous conversations. dhs do not have to let it happen. the idea to say the department of justice is solely responsible for this. dhs referred these children to the department of justice. that's what is so remarkable of this story. >> the new book is called "separated inside an american tragedy." thank you very mump >> thank you, joshua. we are up to seven men with close ties to president trump.

the latest is steve bannon. he was arrested and charged of taking money. he committed conspiracy of money laundering and wire fraud charges. after he was released an a $5 million bond, he said this in his podcast. >> i am not going to back down. everybody knows i love a fight. i was called honey badger for many years. so i am in this for the long haul and i am going to continue to fight. this was to stop intimidate people that want to talk about the wall. >> joining us now is chuck rosenbe rosenberg, chuck, good evening. >> so he's ready for a fight.

what do you make of that. >> i wish i had a in this case ole for everybody in vorge. pleading guilty or convicted at trial. remember michael cole -- >> i heard this before, i would not put so much stock on it. >> it is two months after attorney general bill barr lawn r launched these efforts. are these linked at all? how do you see it? >> i have seen this. let me give you some sort of context for this. for better or worse, decidedly bill bar runs the amount.

if you want to kill his case, that does not happen. it is one of the fraud cases. it strikes manye that men and women, did a good investigation and brought the charges and there has been a prosecution to try the case if necessary. i don't think bill bar want to kill a case ike this. i don't see it -- and by the way, i just don't see it. i would like to get your reaction from geoff bennett asking the president of the now growing number of his oesassoc a

associates. >> what does it say of your judgment? >> if you look at all the scandal they had, they had tremendous and lawless. i was not involve inside the project and i had no idea who it was. >> great law of 10 numbers of the obama administration. spying on our campaign illegally. i believe the reason was related to russia efforts to try to ornate with the trump's campaign which based on the senate intelligence committee that just came out actually happened. they're not being vofred with the project, he actually did now

point that seems to be flat out untrue. before we get you goes, is there a largely concerned of what self-esteem abandon may do for cro prosecutor later. >> very good. it often happens. fs the government seems to have overwhelming evidence of your guilt. >> if you have information of the president or the others or it is in your best interest to give that to the government and returns to some consideration. when the gofrt speavernment see cooperation, it is not just about this case. it is about anything and anyone you know. you have to be candid and cooperative. while mr. abandon can make a lot of noise on his podcast but the truth is we saw with michael

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before we move on. we want to read a quick response from president trump of "the washington post" report we mentioned a moment ago regarding a scathing comment made by mary trump, the president's sister. >> "everyday is something else, who cares. i miss my brother and i will continue to work for the people. not everyone agrees but our country will be stronger than ever before." there are many ways to fire up voters in battleground states. a new campaign to do just that including some nation's artists.

the campaign is called "remember what they did." the art work voter registration drive and get out to vote effort, focusing on latin american and young people. uni joining us now is one of the cofounder of "remember what they did." good to have you both with us. scott, let me start with you. how did this campaign come about? >> i had the honor to work with shepard back in 2008 when it was called "new media." when we were doing everything to get an all time high and increasing young voters and african-american turn out. this time around you are seeing a decline by small margins, 4% or 5%. you are seeing it declining and

african-american turn out, you are looking at under 10,000 votes under 80,000 votes across michigan and pennsylvania and wisconsin. i feel like i needed to do everything possible. in the arts community, i hated to call shepard in october and say hey can you draw something amazing for us last minute. let's start early and make sure that artist have time to use their crafts and just put words on the street to the folks there. your last story was all this international stuff that are hard for people to relate to. the police brutality and the systematic violence and racism and who's affected the most by the pandemic. the nature we are talking about and the importance of voting. >> is there a different strategy from state to state?

>> scott mentioned there were certain areas that kind of made a difference for donald trump. does the work change depending on where in the country you are? >> all the people in the battlegrounds states that a are -- they're unhappy of the direction that the country is going under trump. they need the right stimulation to vote. i think that a lot of people think that, you know, the system does not work well enough for them. i think that any nudge in the right gredirection for voters c make a difference. a lot of political messaging within a narrow area, it feels safe, that's the complaint i hear from young people. it could get some people out and make a difference. that's what we are trying to do

with this campaign. i don't think that using trump's word ors any of these other people's words. there is anything under handed about that. it is what they said and it is illustrating how serious it is and how devastating it is was what i was trying to do with my image. >> what does success look like for this campaign? >> so that it is not just donald trump out but it is a clear cut message that an opposition movement existed and that's how we got biden and harris elected. to me, there is just a giant portion of hard to count and hard to find, you know, voters that digitalis not going to reach and so doing something

th that's evolving and beautiful are in the neighborhood directly. >> hopefully we'll wake some people up and be able to pledge to vote be able to pledge to vote. >> before i let you guys go, you obviously created that hope poster back in 2008 that was so iconic, for so many people. how do you reflect on creating art that has impact, today? i mean, as scott mentioned, reaching people digitally can be a bit of a -- having created one piece of art that was incredibly impactful. >> well, one of the things that made the hope poster work was that it was grassroots. it wasn't created by the campaign. and it existed on the streets, posted up on lawn signs, as stickers, as t-shirts.

and i think that remember what they did is functioning in a similar way. where it's taking that energy that you saw for protests for racial justice after breonna taylor and george floyd were murdered. and it's translating that, but making a link to the need to vote. and i think that democracy has so many different facets, if we can create a bridge between the street and the protests and -- and then, needing to go to the polls, i think that could be very effective. >> scott goodstein and shepherd ferry. the new campaign is called remember what they did. scott, shepherd, thank you, both, for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> if the partisan fights over the post office and coronavirus and everything else seem like an awful spectacle. alexander hamilton could agree. we'll explain, before we go. we'll explain, before we go. rane so you only pay for what you need? i should get a quote. do it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

may be the worst time for partisan politicians to work together. but every 80 seconds in this run-up someone dies of covid-19. congress's fight over funding the u.s. postal service is an o off-chute of the gridlock negotiations of a relief package. it is what alexander hamilton might have called an awful spectacle. he wrote a nation without a national government is, in my view, an awful spectacle. hamilton was warning against the very impasse that we are seeing in washington, right now.

the kind of bottomless partisanship we've seen, for years and years. house democrats have legitimate gripes over this process, including president trump's open attacks on mail-in voting. they, also, passed a bill tonight that they know has no chance of surviving the senate. this process seems to be going nowhere, at a time when we need help, desperately. i was all set, this week, to write an essay about college students partying during this pandemic. universities are struggling to make undergrads give up socializing, in person, one of the best things about college, for the sake of saving lives. a notre dame community asked them to spare them from writing obituaries by protecting each other. but washington has given us little to teach. we chastise college students for partying on campus. we tolerate both parties refusing to be collegial in congress. some young people are risking other people's lives, by coming together.

our lawmakers are risking other people's lives, by not coming together. now, that does not mean this should be effortless or that both parties' arguments are always equally valid. partisan fights are part of the process. including in mr. hamilton's day. he persuaded congress to stabilize the economy by creating a national bank. it was the forerunner to the federal reserve. if you have seen the musical about his life, you know this was not easily done. >> you have to find a compromise. convince them otherwise. >> what happens if i don't get congressional approval? >> i imagine they'll call for your removal. >> sir. >> figure it out, alexander. that's an order from your commander. >> get approval or get removal. did i mention it's an election year? it is, sadly, appropriate that this logjam has built around the u.s. postal service. just consider its mission. to provide postal services to

bind the nation together, through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. to bind the nation together. what the usps is required to do, congress is intended to do. bringing congress together may be the biggest structural challenge joe biden would face if he wins the presidency. one video from the democratic national convention alluded to this in his friendship with the late senator john mccain. >> john and i have been given several awards about bipartisanship. we don't understand why you should get an award for bipartisanship. >> thank you for your example and how to remain the same, good guy that you were when you first got here. most of all, for your friendship. my life and the lives of many have been enriched by it. >> believe it or not, those lawmakers in congress don't all hate each other, no matter what you may see on tv. washington has quite a few

bipartisan friendships. what's missing, it seems, is the power of those bonds to break barriers. that's what alexander hamilton said this republic would need to do. a point lawmakers, who c-- in federalist 85, he wrote i never expect to see a perfect work from an imperfect man. must necessarily be a compound, as well as the errors and prejudices, as the good sense and wisdom of the individuals of whom they are composed. how can perfection spring from such materials? democrats blame republicans for moving in lockstep with president trump. republicans blame democrats for playing politics in an election year. if only, blame could get this job done. hard to say with this congress, especially so close to the election. as that other hamilton once said, you got to holler just to be heard. we'd love to hear from you. how are you working through partisan divides to get things done? i'm guessing there are some city

and state politicians with stories to share. or maybe you are a private citizen, doing big things, despite political differences. e-mail us talk@msnbc.com. do include your name and where you're from. we'll share some of your stories tomorrow night. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. "the rachel maddow show" is next on msnbc. i haven't slept a wink. anything could happen over the course of the next hour. i am completely beyond it. it has been such -- it's been a big week. there's been a lot. this was the front page in wilmington, delaware, today. wilmington is where joe biden lives. it's where he and senator kamala harris accepted the nominations of their party for the presidential and vice presidential ticket of the democratic party. this was the front page that wilmington, delaware, woke up to today. joe's time.