it has been 163 days since breonna taylor was shot and killed by police in her own home and still no one has been charged with a crime. and 771,000 acres, an area larger than rhode island has now been scorched in california wildfires. velshi starts now. good morning. it is august 23rd. i'm ali velshi. we're 72 days away from when we determine who is the next president of the united states. and overnight, trump facing an attack from within his sister, maryanne trump berry, a federal court judge, in a recording made by his niece mary trump and obtained by "the washington post." let's listen -- >> his god, tweet, and lying, oh, my god, i'm talking too

freely and but i know, the change of stones and the lack of preparation and lying [ bleep ]. what they're doing with the kids at the border. >> she was referring to trump's policy of separating children from tlir parents at the southern border. "the washington post" has reached out for a comment and not heard back. the recordings were made in 2018 and 2019 and surfacing after the death of his younger brother robert. the following statement was released, every day it is something else. who cares. i miss my brother and i'll continue to work hard for the american people. not everyone agrees but the results are obvious. our country will soon be stronger than ever before, end quote. also overnight, a new headline by "the washington post" warning a second trump term might injure the democratic experiment beyond recovery. washington post words seem to echo a similar tone set forth by barack obama at the democratic

national convention. >> donald trump hasn't grown into the job. because he can't. and the consequences of that failure are severe. this administration has shown it will tear our democracy down. if that's what it takes for them to win. for close to four years now he has shown no interest in putting in the work. no interest in finding common ground, no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends. >> this week members of the gop machine will have the task of trying to put lipstick on a pig at this week's republican national convention. new reporting said trump has enlisted help from a former producer on the apprentice to turn the rnc into a hit show. but the real show was on capitol hill yesterday where the house passed a bill allocating an additional $25 billion in funding to the united states

post office. the organization that trump has routinely attacked. final vote was 257 to 150 including the support of 26 republicans, reversing any changes put into place by trump donor and recently appointed post master general louis dejoy who testified before a senate panel on postal slow downs on friday. the bill is expected to go before the senate where mitch mcconnell said he will not bring it up for a vote. house speaker nancy pelosi stressed the legislation at its core is not just about the coming election. >> post master general is saying we're going to not do any of this until after the election. our legislation is not just about the election. it's about -- surprise, surprise, mr. post master general -- the coronavirus, covid-19, which has a big impact on the election as well as first and foremost on the health of the american people.

>> now dejoy will be on the hill tomorrow to testify in person before the house oversight committee. yesterday house oversight chair carolyn maloney released a trove of documents showing changes to the post office under dejoy which are more wide-reaching and insidious than the post master general has led on. joining me from the united states virgin islands. senior whip and member of the house oversight committee. congresswoman, thank you for being with us. there were a lot of people who thought with a exception of a few democratic challengers on friday, the post master general got an easier go than he is likely to get tomorrow at the house when you and your committee address him. what are you planning on asking him, what answers do you need? >> well, as you know, we sent a letter requesting documents and answers to questions from the

post master general. so we're going to be delving deeply into those documents. my colleagues have been home, we've all been in the district and heard the cries of veterans who are needing medicine, elders, small businesses that are going under because of the delays. and of course, what is looming ahead of us, is the november election. and so we're going to be asking what have been the reasons for these delays, how has he enabled the shut down of many post offices, closing boxes, closing sorting, creating logistics that have caused people to not receive mail for weeks at a time. all of this, we believe, is a sabotage, attack on our democracy. that is on one of the most sacred rights of americans, the right to vote. >> congresswoman, one of the things dejoy said is that he's going to stop the dismantling or the decommissioning of some of the mail-sorting machines and

stop some of the cuts that he's made. he's made no commitment to reinstate them to the level that they were at before coronavirus which is what democrats have asked for, reinstatement to where they were on january 1st, 2020 until the end of the pandemic. that is not a commitment he has made so far. are you going to be pressing for that? >> yes and that is not something that we'll be satisfied with. because we know as you could see from the report that chairwoman maloney put out yesterday that there have been deep cuts made in the post office before he decided that he was going to stop. and so he needs to roll back and begin doing what they were doing january 1 and put those machines back in place, open the sorting again, allow the postal trucks to go where they need to go. we're also requesting, and as you saw on the bill that was

passed in the house yesterday, requesting the same thing that unanimous board of governors requested. these were trump appointed governors on the postal board that are requesting more money than we even gave. they requested $75 billion. we passed a bill with $25 billion. it is now up to the senate to do the same. to be concerned with our elders, be concerned with our veterans as well as be concerned with our democracy and theable -- and t ability of elections to take place. with the coronavirus, there is going to be probably half of the country will be voting by mail. our absentee ballot, the same thing that the president does in many of the members of his family and his administration, mail in ballots, absentee ballots, it is the same thing. >> so one of the things that a number of secretaries of state and politicians at the state level have done in the wake of the news that the postal service

is slowing down with the idea of establishing voter or mail drop boxes. the president said now the democrats are using mail drop boxes which are voter security disaster. among other things they make it possible for a person to vote multiple times r. they placed in republican or democrat areas. they are not covid sanitized. a big fraud. the president, there is no solution to voting during the pandemic that it appears that the president is prepared to accept. except for absentee voting in florida, which he seems okay with after someone told him that a lot of senior citizens in florida are going to use that to vote for him. >> well, the president doesn't seem to be a lot happy -- happy with a lot of things during this pandemic, including science. which has told him what he should and should not do and leading the american people. so his tweets are of no importance to thankfully many of

the governors who are doing with their secretaries of state who have responsibility for these mail-in ballots and for elections in those states. but to be clear, the house is also concerned with those states that do not have governors who are trying to support them. we know that voter suppression goes on throughout the united states. we saw it in the gubernatorial election in georgia. we've seen it in kentucky, trying to close polls at the last minute in black areas. and so we're going to be vigilant and make sure that at least with the u.s. postal service, that that is able to take place. but there are issues that are occurring before november with the mail. we're trying to get to the bottom of what was the actual -- who was the initial decision-maker and the suggester of what is happening to the post office right now. >> yeah. >> these are things that we're going to be asking. now we've been able to meet the house democrats on the committee

on oversight led by carolyn maloney, have been meeting and we believe we'll be prepared to question him tomorrow. he's not going to have as fair of a time as he did in the senate. and he's going to have to answer these questions. he's not going to run out the clock. and speak in platitudes and tell us that he's going to stop doing what he was doing already. we have got to get to the bottom of this. >> yeah, i'm intrigued because senator gary peters of michigan asked him about whether secretary mnuchin had been involved and he had a long pause before he answered it. there is new reporting overnight that, in fact, mnuchin may have played a role in directing the post master general to make some of the decisions that he did. so we're listening keenly to the testimony tomorrow and to your question. thanks for being with us. i wand to remind our viewers, we have two hurricanes headed toward the gulf of mexico and we

have spent a lot of time talking about hurricanes and the help that the federal government needs to provide to americans in the wake of them. so i hope that that will be forthcoming as well. we'll keep an eye on the two hurricanes. 21 states filed a lawsuit against the united states postal service and the post master general claiming a threat to the upcoming election. the court filing orders that the postal service broke the law by making changes in anef tort to make it more difficult for voters to complete mail-in ballots. the state of michigan is one of the states included in the lawsuit. joining me now is michigan attorney general dana nessel. attorney general, good to see you again. thank you for joining us. talk to me about the effectiveness of these joint lawsuits or this joint lawsuit that a number of you have come together on. what are you looking for? what is the relief that you're looking for look like?

>> well, first of all, we want to find out exactly what actually has occurred. i understand obviously that we had testimony before the senate by the general dejoy. but if he was not truthful in his testimony, it wouldn't be the first time that we saw a member of the trump administration who was not forth and honest. so of course we are utilizing our lawsuits and there is more than one of them filed by democratic attorney generals across the country and seeking expedited discovery to find out exactly what changes were made and to move the court to not only ensure that there is no further changes, but to rescind the changes that have already been made. >> because that is not as -- i was just discussing with the congresswoman, that is not a commitment the post master has made. so on one level there is a lot of energy and pressure on the post master general and the federal administration to undo

some of the changes but they stopped short a week ago. they said we're not going to make any further changes. there are still decommissioned mail sorting machines, there are a prohibition on overtime despite the post master general said in the senate under oath that wasn't the case, we have documentation indicating otherwise. >> yeah, well, i think the old reagan saying was trust but verify. well honestly we don't trust in the first place what the post matter general has to say but we sure as hell intend to verify it. and we intend to use the court process to make sure that mail is delivered on time and it is not just our prescriptions and our utility bills, that are paid on time and are delivered on time, but, of course, the massive crush of absentee ballots that we expect to see come october and november. and here in the state of mi

michigan, we're estimated between 3 to 4.5 million people will vote absentee during the course of this pandemic. and in michigan it is a constitutional right for us to be able to do so. and we may want to ensure that we have free and fair elections in this state and that every eligible voter gets an opportunity to vote and that their vote is counted. >> before i let you go, attorney general, i want to ask you about the settlement, $600 million settlement to support the victims of the flint water crisis. it is still awaiting federal approval. but what is your thought on it? >> well, you know, in light of the opinion, i believe of our governor, governor whitmer, we both took over in january of 2019. these were all events that took place during the course of our republican predecessors. but our belief was this, the hallmark of good government is

not how long and hard you could fight against your people, but how long and hard you fight on behalf of your people. so we thought it was incredibly important to at long last settle these lawsuits and to, whatever extent possible, we could indemnify the people harmed as a result of this manmade tragedy. so not only of course do we have the financial settlement but we have a number of programs that now are being implemented, especially those to help the youngest flint residents that were most impacted by having drank tainted water, infused with lead for so long. and we're very hopeful that this will go along ways toward helping people that were most affected by this tragedy. >> attorney general dana nessel, thank you very much. the attorney general of michigan. yet another person in the president's orbit has been indicted. steve bannon, a key player,

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but it took the words right out of my mouth. referring to the indictment of trump campaign ceo steve bannon. he was apprehended on a luxury yacht owned by a chinese billionaire off the coast of connecticut. the postal service have cops. he's charge of defrauding many surrounding the border wall. the narratives of trump allies being charged with crimes, it is shocking with such regularity that you don't stop to take notice of it. bannon is the eighth trump associate taken into custody during his first term in office. think about that. eight, it is a roster that includes roger stone, george papadopoulos, michael cohen and we asked trump about the recent

arrest and the pig pen like crowd of criminal wrongdoing that seems to surround the president. >> what is your reaction to indictment of your former campaign aide steve bannon. >> i feel very badly. i haven't been dealing with him for a long period of time. as most of the people in this room know. he was involved in our campaign. he worked for goldman sachs. he worked for a lot of companies anz he was involved likewise in our campaign. and for a small part of the administration. a very early on. i haven't been dealing with him at all. >> it is not just him it is rick gates, michael cohen -- what is your -- >> well i have no idea. >> and the culture of lawlessness -- >> well there was great lawlessness in the obama administration. they spied on our campaign illegally. >> no, actually, they didn't. and notice the first impulse of the president is to throw someone under the bus. he worked for goldman sachs, he worked with you much more recently than he worked with

goldman sachs. also this week we learned that in 2019 the bipartisan senate trillion dollars committee made criminal referrals to the justice of five people close to trump for lying to congress. those names include his son, donald jr. and white house adviser jared kushner who is the president's son-in-law. so much for trump's pledge to drain the swamp. he repopulated the swamp with larger and seemingly swampier creature. as paulen swag writes, this level of criminality sur rounding a president is unparallels. depth of malfeasance reads more like a mob movie script than the tale of the highest position in the land. and then multiple law enforcement agencies for various crimes himself, he's known in court filings as individual one. joining me now, barbara mcquade,

a law professor from the university of michigan and msnbc contributor. you've written about this in "the daily beast" in an article called the trump campaign reckless win at all costs approach put our democracy at risk in 2016. you're a former prosecutor. when someone is charged by the government, by a law enforcement organization, they get a lawyer and they have their own lawyer or assigned one and the lawyer said what do you have that you could trade away for leniency and if i'm steve bannon, i got a lot. >> absolutely right. and in fact, the list of swamp creatures that you ticked off to open the segment gives the road map of the people that steve bannon could talk about. if you read the mueller report or the senate intelligence committee report this came out this week, you'll see that steve bannon was at heart of many conversations. so people like erik prince, donald trump jr. and jared kushner who are the subject of referrals from the senate

intelligence committee for perjury charges, steve bannon knows the truth about many of those transactions. with erik prince there is a trip to the shay shells he happened to run into a wealthy russian finan financier and that was arranged on the behalf of the trump administration and steve bannon arranged that meeting. he could provide the key evidence against erik prince. similarly with regard to trump tower moscow and the meeting in new york city with kushner and trump jr. he is the linchpin for those cases and now he has a very strong incentive to tell the truth about those things. >> talk about normalizing things. one of the things that president trump has normalized is commutations and pardons. is that something that he might dangle towards steve bannon? >> yeah, and i think we recall that michael cohen said he doesn't have to say things out loud.

-- he could let people know what he's thinking with his m.o., with paul stone and paul manna fortd saying i long strong people and those messages are enough to send a message to steve bannon. his lawyer to talk to steve bannon's lawyer and just say, you know, tell him to hang in there and stand strong and so that is enough. so he does have that overwhelming power. now at this moment it is difficult for president trump to offer that pardon before the election. but a case like this, likely, won't go to trial inform after the election. so in that lame duck period, that seems like a time when president trump could offer that without facing political consequence. >> as much as the president liked to distance himself from these folks i want to remind people and read from michael cohen who said i pled guilty for

the benefit and at the direction of and in coordination with individual one, reading from his prepared statement, and for the record, individual one is donald j. trump. i just want people to not lose track of the degree to which there is criminality all over this president. including the fact that there is testimony in court that names him as a co-conspirator. >> yes, ali, there is that case with michael cohen and robert mueller found ten instances of objection of justice. he didn't think it was appropriate to accuse a president of a crime but should president trump lose the election and be out of office in january of 2021 all of the cases could still be brought because the statute of limitations of five years and that conduct occurred in early 2017 so they have a fuel year to get their act together to charge him for those type of crimes and the ones that your referring to

relating to individual one occurred in fall of 2016. so fall 2021 would be the deadline for filing those charges. so president trump's best strategy for staying out of prison is probably re-election but if he's not the next attorney general will have a big pile of cases to look at and seriously consider charging. >> no kids. barbara, i urge folks to read the article in t"the daily beas" about this. thank you for joining us. barbara mcquade, an msnbc contributor. one of vladimir putin biggest political rivals in a coma after being subjected to poisoning. that is not the first time vladimir putin has been accused. and our next guest is telling us why america needs to listen up. back in a moment. back in a momet come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card.

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leader alexi navalny is in the hospital after russian officials delayed his transport out of the country saying he was too ill to travel. he's been in a coma since thursday where he is believed to be poisoned while on a flight from tumesque to moscow and suspicions are high at the russian state is behind the poisoning as it has been a preferred method of putin allies to silence critics. leaders around the world have spoken out, most leaders. one has been silent. i'll give you a second to guess who it is. yep, donald trump. trump hasn't offered basic concern over a dissident being poisoned whether or not it was at the behest of the russia leader but russians may have been paying for the taliban to kill american fighters in afghanistan that they interfered in the last election and they may be interfering in this election 72 days away. so why concern yourself with

just another russian dissident. my next guest has been a target having been poisoned twice, once back in 2015, and again in 2017. he writes in a washington post op-ed it is imperative for the world to take notice and action against the political assassination attempts&to speak out saying it is much easier to commit a crime in silence than in the spotlight. i'm littling testimony to that. a strong stance on both sides of the atlantic will help ensure that the doctors could do their job. i'm joined now by politician and vice president of the free russian fedder vladimir cara. you write this week the official diagnosis in your poisoning was toxic action by unidentified substance meaning poisoning by an unknown source. multiple organ failure and brain swelling and a prolonged coma, and both times doctors told my wife i had a 5% chance to live.

and the good news is with navalny now in a german hospital where the doctors seem to think he was poisoned, there is some chance he may be able to recover. you were treated in russia and they did save your life. >> they did and i'm going to be eternally grateful that i did make that 5%. but you're right in you what said that poison is a tool of soviet and this is proliferated since vladimir putin came to power and there is a growing number of lists of independent journalists and foreigners who have encountered these mishap or poisoning and some have been fortunate enough to survive and i hope that alexi navalny will be. others were less fortunate. a investigative journalist died a horrible death in moscow in 2003 from what was deliberate poisoning. but this is a method designed to give the kremlin plausible

deniability because everything time something like this happens kremlin spokesperson shrug their shoulders and say how do we know it is poisoning, where is your proof. that is designed to have no answer because proof is supposed to come from investigations that russian authorities refuse to allow. both times i was poisoned we went to the top law enforcement body to request criminal investigations and surprise, surprise, it is more than five years now since my first poisoning and we haven't even had a response from them. >> vladimir, sometimes that pressures investigations and other times it is international pressure. one would expect, as you've written about, that you would get some response, even if it is a less than committal response, from the u.s. president or high up in the u.s. government. but we're not even getting that. all trump was able to say was we are looking at it. we are looking at it. which is what he said about everything that is alleged to be bad. >> well, as i said, it is much

easier to commit a crime in darkness than when the spotlight is on. and i want to use this opportunity to thank everybody on both sides of the atlantic and that includes congressional leaders in the united states on both sides of the political aisle, democrats and republicans who have spoken out. and i think this international spotlight is a major reason why alexi navalny is in safe hands. in my case it was very important and john mccain took to the senate floor to speak about my case when i was lying in a coma in a moscow hospital and he's one of the people to whom i owe my life. so this spotlight was very important. as to silence from the white house, you know, there is a historical term and that term is appeasement. and history has taught us, i think without any doubt, that appeasing dictators simply does not work. and we don't even need to go back to distant historical precedence to talk about this. we could look at it with the

regime of vladimir putin. every american president of both parties since putin was in power were appeasing him to one way or another. we remember president bush looking into putin's eyes and praising him as a great reformer. president obama declared the re-set was putin and his administration tried to stop the manninski act among russian officials. president trump has equated what democratic nations do with what authoritarian regimes like putin is doing and invited putin to g-8 summits and he keep talking about this for some reason. appeasement does not work. the only result is enl boldening dictators and making their excesses and abuses even worse. and come back to the situation with alexi navalny, poisoning is not the only method, this week marked 2,000 days more than five years since boris nemsov was

gunned down in front of the kremlin. >> was gunned down, right. >> the russian government continues to protect those who organized and masterminded it. but so i think it is very important to say that this impunity will not last forever. putin is not going to be in power forever and these people will have to face this and those in the democratic russia, but in the west, including in the united states, there should be no more talk of re-set or any kind of overtures or invitations to summits or any other appeasement tort a regime that speaks with political opponents in the language of poisons and bullets. >> vald mere, i don't know if there is any luck with this administration. we'll continue to keep a light on navalny and continue to cover this. a russian opposition politician poisoned twice. the vice president of the free russia foundation. since coronavirus hit the

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the effects of covid-19 extend far beyond the lives lost and the people who get sick. while i don't agree with donald trump on much, his point when the psychological effects of the lockdown and working from home and layoffs is tremendous. in fact, a cdc survey found that 40% of all americans are facing

symptoms of anxiety or depression directly related to covid-19. now that number is related to new norms that we've adapted to manage the health crisis from social distancing to entirely new protocols in public places. we've always had mental health issues but america is bad at acknowledging them and treating them. in a normal non-pandemic year one in five americans will experience some sort of mental health but 5 million of those americans are uninsured according to mental health america which means there is little likelihood of them seeking the expensive care that is required to deal with even minor mental health issues. and as millions of americans have lost health insurance due to layoffs and furloughs, we're living in a time when those who may need mental health care the most have lost any chance of getting it. in the midst of this candidate, one psychologist coined a term to describe different levels of

anxiety. calling it covid stress syndrome. joining me now, dr. steven taylor from the department of psychiatry at the university of british columbia and author of many publications on the covid-19 effect on mental health and published a book just months before the coronavirus outbreak called "the psychology of pandemics", preparing for the next global outbreak of infectious disease. dr. taylor, good to see you. thank you for being with us and i appreciate you getting up as early as you did this morning into brawl british columbia. talk to me about what you knew would come to pass if we had a serious infectious disease and i say what you knew because you wrote about this before we have coronavirus and i'm assuming you have no foreknowledge that would hit us and how do you believe that has come to pass? >> well, i knew a pandemic was coming. i didn't think it would be coming so soon after the publication of the book.

but pretty much everything that we've seen today has been seen in previous pandemics. the rise of anticipation of anxiety and hospital surge of people worried that they might be sick and racism and panic buying. but what is different about this pandemic is this is the first pandemic in the era of social media which means everyone is digitally interconnected to it is happening but they're happening more faster. >> let's talk about the mental health, the anxiety, the stress, the depression. it's real. for a lot of people, social interaction does help. and for a lot of people they feel isolated when we have normal levels of social interaction, when you could go to a restaurant or go out with your friends and hang out with people. there has to be an effect to isolation on so many people? >> it is massive. what we're finding is evidence

for what we're calling covid stress syndrome and people are worried about getting infected and worried about the impact on their daily lives and xenophobic and worried about coming into contact with other people and having nightmares about covid and checking reassurance, this is having a significant impact in the lives of many people. >> you do talk about the fact that we are inherently resilience. so people who are experiencing these anxiety and these anxieties and stresses, and even depression, there is a good chance that once we emerge from this many of the systems will, in fact, recede? >> exactly. most people are resilient. so it is hard to put a figure on it. but from previous research on natural disasters and so forth, roughly 85% to 90% of people are resilient so we might be feeling stressed or depressed or anxiety during lockdown or the pandemic.

but in most cases those -- those feelings will pass and people will bounce back fine. that said, however, a sizable number of people, we're guessing at this point, it could be 10% or much higher, will have enduring symptoms of anxiety or depression or post-traumatic stress disorder that will merit mental health treatment. >> i'm from canada and i think we deal with these things betner canada better than in the united states. but there is a article from the canadian journal of psychiatry saying it is representing a global catastrophe and it represents an opportunity to identify problems and strengthen mental health systems not only for the emergency but also for the long-term. and unof the issues is neither in canada nor in the united states do we have mental health equivalency that it should be

treated as quickly as, let's say a flew. >> i was an author on the paper that you mentioned. what we really need is a large scaled readily excessible mental health platform, probably digital platforms preferably free services. we need that now not only for covid for the challenges that come with climate change and we're seeing more natural disasters, hurricanes on the east coast and wildfires for example. we need to ramp up mental health services to make people more resilient for covid-19 and for the challenges ahead. >> dr. taylor, we appreciate you rising so early to have this very important discussion. author of "the psychology of pandemics, preeb preparing for the next outbreak of infectious diseases." and here is the number for the help liene.

it is 800-662-help and i've tweeted that out. we've seeing massive protests in belarus. we have live pictures from minsk. people are taking to the streets in outrage over seemingly rigged elections and police brutality after alexander lucashenko. he was re-elected two weeks ago. the protests come as belarus and russia tensions are at an all-time high and vladimir putin is trying to make it a union station with russia. we'll keep an eye on the developing story. and hundreds of wildfires in california have already burned up more land than the entire state of rhode island. five people have been killed. thousands of homes have been destroyed an the fire season is just getting started. in fact it got off to an early start this year in part because of extremely hot temperatures atd and lightning strikes and as bad as it is, experts warn it will get worse over the next week. the governor has made a major

disaster declaration for the state. meanwhile two storms are heading toward louisiana and texas. a duo that has not been seen since 1959. a devastating wildfire and the threat of double the threat of double hurricanes are really just part of a larger story, a story if we were living in normal times would or should be all we ever talked about. while more than 177,000 americans have died from covid so far, the number of people who will die from unchecked global warming will dwarf that. we've got a president right now who refuses to acknowledge that, either because he doesn't understand it, doesn't believe it or is in the pocket of the fossil fuel industry. here's him talking last week about how to mitigate forest fires in california. >> starting again in california. clean your floors, clean your forests. they have many, many years of

leaves, broken trees and they're like so flammable. you touch them and it goes up. >> spoiler alert, cleaning the forest floors will not stop wildfires. you probably knew that, but the president apparently doesn't because that is a president -- that's the president we have, a president who's willfully ignorant to the gravest dangers to the health and safety of his strangers. maybe we will see another sharpie drawn map that will change their path because we have a president who also actually did that. we have a president who once suggested using nuclear weapons to stop hurricanes. we have a president who spent his time in office dismantling policies. he rolled back a rule limiting methane leaks even though they didn't want it. a president who just this week had to pause his plan to green light a gold and copper mine in

alaska because of push back from fellow republicans, including his own son who worry about the harmful effects to the environment. we have a president who does not care about climate change. in fact, he's repeatedly called it a hoax. might not be the thing that's getting the most news coverage right now. it might not get any during this election season, but climate change is the single problem that is most important to our collective future, and this administration has no idea how to deal with it. so right now as natural disasters plague our world from pan dem mix, to wildfires, to double hurricanes, one of the biggest ecological disasters we are facing is donald trump himself. joining me now is former epa administrator during the bush administration, christine todd whitman. she has endorsed joe biden last monday. she also endorsed hillary clinton in 2016. governor, good to see you again. >> good to see you. >> you have argued for some time for this issue to stop being partisan. you've reminded people that the

organization that you headed, the epa, was founded under a republican administration in 1970. there was a time, and it is not illogical, that republicans and conservatives should care as much about the environment as anybody else. >> absolutely. i mean, conservative. it's conservation. those two things go together. and it used to be our issue. we used to believe in it and believe we needed to do something, plus the fact as you point out, it's about public health, it's about public safety. it's not a partisan issue. these things that are happening. these fires, the hurricanes, the covid, they don't -- none of them care about what party you belong to. none of them care about whether you're rich or poor or where you live. so it's about all of us. all of our health. and you are right, i was laughing when i first came on because of what you said our biggest natural disaster being the president. you're absolutely right. what he has done has been for short-term political gain at the

long-term expense of our health and our environment. >> the president and republicans now are trying to portray joe biden and democratic ticket as being a radical marxist socialist lefty agenda. i want to give you the highlights of the biden's properties. net zero emissions by 2050. reinstating and strengthening regulations on fossil fuels and emissions. rejoining the paris agreement. there are other organizations who want net zero by 2030. it's not a uniquely radical platform. >> you're absolutely right. as you pointed out earlier, fossil fuels, roll backs the company didn't want them. for a long time. it doesn't spread as far as

carbon. the companies didn't want that. they're well on their way to carbon capture and sequestration. they spent a lot of money in this. when they roll back the tailpipe in this, it was the auto companies that came forward and said, don't do this. we're already on our way to solving this problem, to getting there. they thought the obama regulations went a little too far. they didn't want the kind of roll back this president engaged in. you have to wonder, who is he playing to? what is this about when the very institutions that he supposedly is helping are saying, wait a minute. slow down. the rest of the world believes in this. the rest of the world is moving towards cleaning up their environment and we are on that path as well. maybe we don't want to go as fast as some others want us to go, and the other side of this is this has never been a zero sum game. you can have both a clean and green environment and a healthy, thriving economy. we have done that over and over

again. we have proven it multiple times and it's ignoring the incredible ingenuity of the american worker to think that we can't do it again and keep doing it. it just makes no sense and it's extremely dangerous. >> we can build green into being economically fruitful. christine todd whitman, former epa administrator and a former governor of new jersey. there's more "velshi" just ahead. her mother was a postal worker and her brother works for the u.s. postal service. r way. >> tech: just leave your keys on the dash and we'll replace your windshield with safe, no-contact service. >> tech: schedule at safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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good morning. it is sunday, august 123r23rd. we are 72 days from election day. the global death toll has hit another milestone surpassing 800,000. that includes more than 177,000 americans. america's less than 5% of the global population but it accounts for more than 20% of the world's cases. in keeping with his ways, president trump continues to make the pandemic all about himself. yesterday during a wide ranging and at times incoherent tweet storm trump wrote, quote, the deep state or whoever over at the fda is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccine and therapeutics. obviously they are hoping to delay the answer until after

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