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hey there. i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you from msnbc in new york. a break through in the fight against covid-19. the president announced a step forward for con velez ent plasma. p 0,000 americans have received the treatment. what do we know and not know about its prospects. meanwhile we know more about who
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will be speaking at the republican national convention. the lineup includes most of the first family and some folks who made news in our culture wars. this america has changed a lot in four years. we're dealing with an economic crisis, a push for racial justice and a pandemic that has killed enough americans to fill yankee stadium three times. we're reaching the peak of a hurricane season. tonight it is historically busy. we've never seen two tropical storm systems come this close to kwermging. but hurricane marco and tropical storm laura are being monitored. laura could hit the state as soon as 12 hours later possibly as a category 2 hurricane. in california more than a million acres have burned in wildfires there. 26 do federal first responders
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are helping battle the blazes. president trump has approved major disaster declarations for the hurricanes and the fires. we have a lot of natural threats to deal with right now but let's begin with covid-19 and the treatment for it that is about to reach more parents. president trump called a rare sunday evening press conference to announce expanded access to convalescent plasma. >> this is a powerful therapy that transfuses, very, very strong antibodies from the blood of recovered patients to help patients battling a current up fedex. it's had arch incredible record of success. >> convalescent plasma is a well-worn technique used to treat other diseased. 70,000 americans infected with coronavirus have already been treated with it. the fda is giving this as an
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emergency use authorization, eua. this gets it to the public quickly without going through the lengthy process medications usually go through. this is a treatment to increase a fasht's chances of survival. not being called a cure. the announcement comes less that a day after the president criticized the fda itself. he tweeted that a deep state presence at the agency was intentional intention delaying it. >> good to have you with us. dr. roy, let me start with you. is this good news? >> hey, joshua. good to be with you again this sunday evening. yes. i'm always hopeful when i receive any news regarding
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treatment showing some small but still statistically significant results. so as you pointed out at the start of the hour, the fda issued an emergency use authorization for convalescent plasma. this is a large study run by the mayo clinic and funded by the nih and it showed that there was a mortality benefit from patients, severely illinois patients, illinois with covid-19 who received the transfusion within three days of symptom onset. mortality benefit versus i think about 8.7% versus those who received the plasma four days or after symptom onset and it was about a 11.9%. it's a small yet statistically significant result. the issue, however, though, joshua, is that there was no
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placebo group for comparison. in other words, this was not really a randomized controlled trial which is the highest level of validity. it makes the actual results of this, the validity clear. >> this is one form of trial, but they did not in their statement at least attempt to make this seem like it is a bigger trial than it was. >> julie, what about the timing of this announcement? it's rare for us to have a sunday evening press conference. but it's also not every day that we have a republican national convention. >> exactly. and the president was clear with the tweet he had over the weekend that he was unhappy that the fda had not made this emergency use authorization earlier last week. he really wanted this going into the convention. i think he was concerned, you can tell from the other tweets, about how well the convention went for the democrats.
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he wants something to give him the convention bounce that he's seeking. he knows the public is concerned about his handling of the pandemic. >> how does this figure into your work? >> i'm really glad, just refer back to what the previous speaker just said. the tear r fair active that was used by the president earlier on the sunday afternoon press conference, it's misleading. he made this sound like it was this revolutionary treatment. i felt like he gave the public the sense of false hope. he has done this before with medication such as hydroxychloroquine. let's be clear. convalescent plasma in this large study showed that it showed benefit toe a small specific group of people, people who were critically ill in the icu who had to receive plasma within a small time frame.
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so look, i'm hopeful freermts for different medications and they are putdic options, which we have far more today in august, seven months into the pandemic, than we did back in february or march. advantage cn vook scen vaccines we don't have yet. masks and physical distancing, in other words, prevention is what our elected firms still file mandate very clearly to the american public. >> julie, there was some reports from axios. jonathan swan reported that peter in a narho has aggressively confronted fda officials where he said "you are all deep state and you need to get on trump time." then there was the tweet that was critical of the fda. house speaker nancy pelosi issued a very critical reprimand
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of the president yesterday. here's what she said. >> the fda has a responsibility to approve drugs with their -- judging on their safety and their ef fa ka si. not by declaration from the white house about speed and political sizing the fda. this was was a very dangerous statement on the part of the president. even for him it went beyond the pale. >> where does this leave us in terms of the politics of this search for treatment for covid-19, despite the fact that he said the best thing we can do is do our best not to get it. >> i've seen just in the last two, three days, a number of people who i deal a lot who are deeply concerned about the potential -- the inability to
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try drugs was an effort. no indication the white house was pushing the fda. the opposite, there was concerns that things were not being allowed. i'm seeing a lot of people who deal with the fda and people who deal with public health and doctors in general who are very concerned that the fda might be being pushed to do things for political reasons rather than just call the balls and strikes, which is what the fda's job is. >> it's remarkable that during the aids crisis there were a lot of men who died. now we have a lot of health care workers trying to get us to protect ourselves. appreciate you both being with us. thanks very much. let's talk now about the postal service. the post master general faces more questions tomorrow over the future of the postal service.
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louis dejoy appeared on friday. a house committee will question him in the morning. it's actually older than america itself. thousand it get to this point? our first post master gem, ben franklin, would be pleased at how much we love the post office. it remains one of our most beloved american institutions. it has the highest approval rating of any government agency. the u.s. pvsz is vast. it delivers nearly a half billion pieces of mail every day. they take in about $236,000 in revenue a day and has a work force of more than 600,000. the white house has been asking for help. the mail trucks were designed to last 24 years. the last delivery of new trucks was in 1994. the postal service gets no tax dollars. it runs on its own revenue.
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it had been profitable in 2006, but that changed with a new law. the postal accountability and enhancement act required it to prepay its retiree health benefits decades into the future. that instantly put it billions of dollars in debt. no other government agency has that requirement. this was a turning point in a long push by some conservatives to privatize the postal service, an institution that's written into the constitution. fedex andups and am zop make money by mostly serving areas that are profitable. in remote areas they deliver part of the way and then hand off to postal workers, who go the last mile. louis dejoy became post master general in june. among other things he's overseen dismantling machines that can sort up to 36,000 pieces of mail per hour. those sorters may be gone for a
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long time, if not for good. >> we've heard about the shorters. you addressed that earlier. will you bring back any mail sorting machines that have been removed since you've been post master general? >> there's no intention to do that. they are not needed, sir. >> you will not bring back any processor? >> it's not needed, sir. >> he still urged americans to cast their ballots right away. meanwhile postal workers in two cities are ignoring orders to leave the sorters off line. some say they've been warned as the press may be posing as postal service customers in concern. at the same time house democrats passed a bill to allocate emergency funds. the post office is required by law to give the whole nation the same level of service. its workers take that mission quite seriously. one letter carrier in florida
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said he just wants to, in his words, deliver the damn mail. joining us now is congressman raja murphy of illinois west of chicago. he sits on the house committee that will question louis dejoy tomorrow. evening. >> good evening. >> dejoy said that he can commit that 95% of the ballots that are dropped in mailboxes will be treated like first class mail. he said that as an unqualified yes. does that give you any reassurance? >> no. what happens to the other five percent? also will he commit to making sure that not only the ballots but the materials and everything necessary to vote by mail to work is treated like first class mail. those are among the pressing questions he'll be asked tomorrow, i'm sure. >> yesterday the house passed a
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$25 billion bill that was designed to bolster the postal service. mark meadows has said it has no chance of advancing, certainly not to the president's desks. mitch mcconnell has expressed no interest in bringing this bill to the senate floor. what is the path forward from here? >> all i can tell you is that those people who refuse to provide the postal service with funds they need do so at their peril. wie received 1,6 12 and counting pieces of mail. we've received phone calls and texts and e-mail messages, complaining of disastrous delays to medications that have been sent by mail, parcels and payments that are small businesses are relying on. we had one veteran call us. he had one organ transplant and is waiting on his post op medicines. this is a life and death issue
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we need senate republicans and the white house to come to their senses and fund the usps. >> a few hours the postal service released a statement in reaction to the house bill passed yesterday by the democrats. it says in part that the postal service is concerned that the bill will "constraint the ability to make operational changes that will improve efficiency, reduce costs, and ultimately improve service to the american people." so the post office seems to be saying thanks but this isn't quite the help that we need. what do you make of it? >> this is going to be the subject of tomorrow's hearing. that is the independence of the u.s. ps from the house. since the early 1970s, congress and the president over the last 50 years have tried to cope with the independence of the postal
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service so that it doesn't become politicized. what we fear is that the white house is now exerting undue influence over the postal service and the other day the president, he gets points for candor, told us that he wants to try to monkey with mail-in voting by delivering mail more slowly and not funding the usps. now we see the usps delivering mail more slowly and we see this lever that you present on air showing that the usps management is refusing to take the very money that they told us they need in the testimony that they're about to give tomorrow morning. so this is all just part of theithe i issue. whether it's going to run efficiently manned professionally, which is the way it should be run. >> are we clear exactly on what
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the postal service needs? his predecessor asked for $75 billion. the house bill offers 25 billion -- excuse me. the democratic dell and the republican bill aufrld some and changes. i'm not sure we're even having an apples to apples conversation. i could tell you to the penny, like if i had to go to the bank. i don't know how much the post office actually needs. can you just put it in a nutshell for us? >> sure. >> what does the post office actually need? >> they need a couple of things, joshua. they need to cover their costs. this year, as you know, during the pandemic, which nobody anticipated,st post office is experiencing at least a 25% drop in business mail volume, which means that they're going to have
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cumulatively just between last year and this year according to the testimony by the way that louis dejoy is going to give us tomorrow, in his prepared remarks, he agrees that it's going to experience at least 20 billion with a b, in losses. ok. the second major thing they need is long-term reform. as you had indicated before, as of 2006 they were profitable. but that year george w. bush put into law an act. i'm a former small business person. nooifr seen any kind of requirement like this in the private or public sector. but the net net of that law is that it basically puts the usps constantly in deficits because ice having to predunned retiree health care and other benefits, which no other organization, or for that matter, any of its
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competitors have to fund. >> congressman, i appreciate you making time tonight. thanks very much. >> thank you, joshua. ful. >> there's much more to come tonight on msnbc. joe biden and kamala harris gave their first joint tv interview. we'll forgive them for not doing it here but we'll give you highlights. plus from the ballot box to the beauty salon. m the ballot box t beauty salon (neighbor) whatcha working on... (burke) oh, just puttering, tinkering... commemorating bizarre mishaps that farmers has seen and covered. had a little extra time on my hands lately. (neighbor) and that? (burke) oh, this? just an app i've been working on. it's called signal from farmers, and it could save you up to fifteen percent on your auto insurance. simply sign up, drive and save. but i'm sure whatever you've been working on is equally impressive. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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tonight we heard from joe biden and kamala harris in their first interview as running mates. it came after a virtual democratic convention that went off pretty much without a hitch. >> it depends on what he's left me with. right now it looks like what's
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going to happen is that the numbers are going to go up. there's estimates that well over 200,000 people will die. significantly more people will be infected. it doesn't have to be that way. he can take action now. >> polling shows biden maintaining a double digit lead over president trump. the latest cbs pole puts him 10 points ahead of the president nationwide. let's continue with kimberly atkins be with the boston globe and also sarah longwell publisher of "the bulwark." good to have you with us. let's begin with another cut from the abc interview. referring to the criticism that's been leveled against joe biden over not hitting the campaign trail in person very much. watch. >> can you win a presidential election from home? >> we will. we're going to follow the
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science. what the sine r scientists tell us. we've been able to travel places when we've been able to do it in a way we don't cause the congregation of large numbers of people. look what's happened with his events. people die. people get together. they don't wear masks and end up getting covid and end up dying. >> when you say this guy is afraid to leave his basement. >> guess what? i have left my basement. 500 million people have watched what i've done out of my basement. >> this is one of the ways in which i think the campaign tried to beat back some of the criticisms against joe biden. they weren't more about policy but more about him. >> right. it's this narrative that's being created by president trump that joe biden seasoned ready, that he's somehow hiding or he's in some other ways unable to lead
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but biden is pushing back. he has done events with socially distance procedures and he has traveled wearing with -- we've seen him wearing his masks and presenting just in that. a very different message to the american people about the way he sfwoends lead. that's in sharp contrast to president trump who has after one photo op of him in a mask has consistently refused to do so subsequently, even going to a pizza parlor last week in pennsylvania without a mask is something that people should not be doing inside facilities. so just in that, it's two different divisions about how americans should bed responding and it's not by accident. joe biden is trying to project that -- the image of the leader who will be ready to take charge right away and be able to do what the experts are saying to
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do to stop this virus. >> let me get your reaction to some of the comments that president trump has made about kamala harris being nasty and being a mad woman. listen. >> i really -- i think that there is so much about what comes out of donald trump's mouth that is designed to distract the american people from what he is doing every day, that is about neglect, negligence, and harm to the american people. >> and incompetence. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> the idea that he would say something like that. no president, no president has ever said anything like that. no president has ever used those words. >> sarah, what do you make of that? it's what we heard in 2016 from donald trump. so i'm kind of not surprised to hear it again about kamala harris. >> this is how donald trump talks about women. but his problem with women,
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suburban women specifically, has gotten considerably worse than it was in 2016. in 2016 he managed to win a plurality of white women. those demographics have been shifting. they drove a lot of the democratic games in 2018. so donald trump should be very careful about continuing to alienate women with this will kind of language. the fact is, he can't win with his numbers currently where they are with women. it has gone from a gender gap between donald trump and joe biden to a gender cass m. women with totally out on this president. and it is comments like that that are part of the reason why? >> we heard from the republican party about its platform, which is one of the things that comes out of each convention. the resolution regarding the party's platform this year says it will adjourn without adopting a new platform during this
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convention. they'll adopt one in the 2024 convention but not this year. meanwhile we got a release from the president's campaign. some of the bullet points include creating 10 million new yobs no 10 months. developing a covid vaccine by the end of this year, bringing a million manufacturing jobs back from china and also passing congressional term kimberly, what do you make of the way the agenda is starting to shape up. in view of the fact that they're not releaguing a party platform at all. >> it goes to the trouble that the president has had in articulating a message as to why he should be re-elected and what he would do in a second term. recall that he was asked by sean hannity on fox news, perhaps the flindest audience that he could
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possibly have, what he will do, what his plan would be for the next term and he couldn't articulate it. now, the rnc is not even putting out a platform, which is something that gives the party -- it's a freebie. they're opting not to do it. it reinforces the difficulty that he has without being able to point to a strong roaring economy like he thought he could, and while the pandemic is raging in the country to really point what he would do. i want to add another point to your last point about the comment to kamala harris. fts not by zmaent he makes comments like this. not just at women, but particularly strong women of color. he's done this to black women journalists and lawmakers, and it's par for the process. >> i wonder if the republican party feels it needs to do that. donald trump says he's going to be in every night of the convention. this is the candidate who won by
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saying i alone can fix it during the 2016 convention. maybe the plan is to have as much donald trump on the air as possible. >> yeah. that does sound like the plan. somebody who's opposed to trump, ichgs embarrassed that they came out with a platform than it was simply more that them pledging to donald trump. there's no ideas in there, nothing new. no evolution of the party. it is 100% trump all the time. i think this is a mistake. he's had a terrible summer. he's losing by just about ever metric. he it doesn't do anything to expand his appeal. >> and just to close the loop on that, the resolution about the platform also resolves that any
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motion to and the fwikt platform will be ruled out of order. kimberly atkins and sarah longwell, thanks very much. >> thanks. >> coming up, a new report from the senate intelligence committee lays out how the russians worked with the republicans. city close. city close
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meanwhile manafort's successor steve bannon was arrested thursday in connecticut. prosecutors accused o him of stealing co nations from people who support a border wall. bannon is pleading not gllt. a number of the house intelligence committee. >> good evening. >> one of the findings of the report was that there was no thaefd the russians had sought to blackmail him. and were a part of russia's active measures campaigns including those involving political influence and electoral interference. what do we do, congressman, with this information, especially in light of the fact that we already kind of took a swing at this with the mueller investigation. >> yeah.
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well, first off, obviously, they didn't seek to blackmail donald trump. the reason they did everything they did, the russians, in 2016, of course, was to elect donald trump. and you asked a forward looking question. the first thing we need to do, anybody can do this. go on the website of the office of the director of intelligence and you can see a release a week ago from the official in charge of these things say that they're doing again, that they're not just interfering with the election but doing it in service of electing donald trump. that's the forward looking answer to your forward looking question. wed that ukraine misbehavior and the impeachment, but it is worth while remembering that the trump senior campaign people, most of whom today are either in jail or on their way to jail invited and assisted russian interference
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and bob mueller said it didn't rise to the level of a chargeable conspiracy, but the notion that these folks sought and collaborated in an effort to either welcome russian -- the president himself said russia, if you're listening, release the e-mails. and back in the forward looking thing, americans need to understand that this is happening again. apart from everything else we need to do at the governmental level, americans need to remember that they may be actively being manipulated by russian propaganda. >> with regards to that, the acting secretary kov security chad wolf was on cnn this morning talking about the gone yog threats. here's part of it. >> there's never been issue on bringing up any issue the president to include election security efforts the department's doing every day to keach our elections safe and secure. >> and the president accepts that russia is trying to
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interfere in the election again? >> well, again, i'll -- to my knowledge, absolutely. >> there was a lot of hemming and hawing in that answer, congressman what do we do about russia this time around? we knew they would try to interfere. we knew that. what do we do? >> what do we do? there's two or three things. number one, our intelligent's and folks like the nsa and the department of defense need to do what they have learned to do well, which is to watch very carefully and props interfere with attempts by the russians to influence our elections. that's number one. number two, we need to make sure that the basic functioning mechanics of our system do in fact function. of course i'm just back from washington, d.c. where we were working on the post office. it's individual voters and local
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election people and josh ya, americans need to understand and go back and look at the russian ads they purchased. if they see something on social media that really fires them up, that causes steam to come out of their ears and causes their hair to catch on fire, they step up and say i am an american citizen. this is about me having the information i need to make an important and good choice. >> sorry to interrupt but can i jump in on that point? >> yes. >> twitter placed another warning on the president's tweet in which he wrote "so now the democrats are using mail drop boxes which are a disaster. among other things it makes it possible for a person to vote multiple times. also, who controls them? are they placed in democrat or covid areas?
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also,ed covid sanitation. there is so much wrong with those tweets, i don't even have time to break into them. with regards to this, it sounds like the most important thing that we need to do as voters is learn not to hyper ventilate over some things that we see on line is to just be grownups and let our anger pass and then get back in our brains and decide who we actually want to vote for. is that too much to be asking of the american people right now? >> well, that's kind of what i was getting at. i was sort of getting on that. hair light on fire, step back and reflect on whether it's true. the fact that this president from day one has been about misinformation, right. we're seeing treatments being approved by the fda that may not have an effect. the president was suggesteding that maybe you want to inject disinfect ends into your bloodstream. i could go on and on and on.
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america doesn't need to hear that from a democrat. but what you see on line is not necessarily true. that holds for both sides. they feed to be critical. but most importantly, the whole point of the president's activities here are to make you believe, as the american citizen, that your count may not get counted. he wants people to feel that way because to get reelect head needs fire, not more people to vote. if i could leave you with one thought, people need to understand that their vote is probably the most important thing they're going to do in 2020. >> yeah. got to be careful of those things that make your hair catch on fire. i used to be good at getting away from things like that and look at me now. congressman jim heins of connecticut, thank you very much. >> thanks. >> coming up, the conspiracy of qan qanon. what exactly is it and how concerned should we actually be? customizes your car insurance
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we could be getting threatened. we could be getting pumped. what is qanon, really? whatever it is, it's not something we can ignore anymore. marjory taylor green won the primary for a seat in georgia. she's expressed support for the leader of qanon, known simply as q. she was called a future republican star by the president. some republicans are speaking out against it. congresswoman liz cheney called it dangerous lunacy. ben collins reports on the far corners of the internet and
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joins us now. ben, welcome. >> hachlt thanks for having me. >> what is it about conspiracy theories like q anonare people latching on? i don't think it's that simple. >> it's not that simple. the thing is i'm sure you know somebody at this point, whether it's a friend from high school or somebody closer, a family member or someone like that, they've gone down this rabbit hole. it's not because they've lost it or anything. they've been trained by bad actors to go down this path. qanon followers started innovating fitness groups, religious groups, things like that in facebook in the last few months. they said, maybe you lost your job recently. you lost a family member to covid. maybe something really bad happened to you. instead of being hopeless, you know what you can do?
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you can trust the plan. that's their monitor. trump's the plan. they give you a catch automatic. an answer for everything. it's that donald trump is saving the world from all the bad guys and they're not just bad politically, they're really eating children and they're using their blood for power and all this stuff. >> hold up, hold up, hold up. >> i know, i know. >> wait. they have -- they are eating what to do what when? >> yeah. that's part of the conspiracy theory. all the bad guys. people in hollywood, celebrities, politicians, anybody who has ever criticized donald trump, they aren't just bad, they are eating children for blood. >> they've been very ham handed about not renouncing qanon outright? >> yeah.
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the thing is now, there's millions of people that believe this. this feeds the president's ego. the president this week was asked about it but one of our own reporters and he was like is that a bad thing that all these people like me this much, that i'm a hero of the story, basically? they can't just deject outright at this point. it's like numerology. they would say he's just saying that to throw off the scent. he's part of taking town the deep state still. there's no good answer here for the trump administration but the answer they gave this week is really bad. they're not denouncing this in the way they should. people are committing crimes based on to conspiracy theory. >> folks are interacting with it on line. we know that facebook took down about 900 qanon pages and groups. you reported on that this week. that feels like taking graffiti
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off the wall when it's just going to get tagged again. is this a major law enforcement threat or some jerk that published something and now he's laughing his brains out that we are talking about it on national television. what is this? it on national television. what is this? >> why not body, right? that's really the question. it is some jerk who posted something he doesn't know what he's talking about, but there are millions of people in these facebook groups. that's from an internal document that we received, that nbc received. it's millions of people going down this path. you saw it yesterday. you saw some of those rallies, people holding up signs," save the children." those are q-anon rallies. there are hundreds of them all throughout the country. there were thousands of people in los angeles, hundreds of people in london. they were all walking down the street saying, we believe in this stuff for real. >> nbc's ben collins. i'd like to have you back to
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talk more about what is being done about q-anon and fringe conspiracy theories like this. eating children? i don't even know where to go. man, thank you very much. i appreciate you trying to explain, thank you. >> sure thing, thank you. how are you working through partisan divides to get things done? we'll share some of your stories. i'm a performer. -always have been. -and always will be. never letting anything get in my way. not the doubts, distractions, or voice in my head. and certainly not arthritis.
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you work through partisan divides to get things done. my wife and i have served our county, the state of california, and united states as elections officials for many years. as such, we and all our colleagues are required to be a stain from all partisan expressions. my commitment is and always has been to support the right of all voters to exercise their right to vote without restriction or limitation. i salute all volunteer election officials in every county, parish, brother roug, in every state, for their commitment to the integrity of our elections. we heard from federal workers like lawrence in new jersey. those of us who work for the federal government put aside partisan beliefs to serve the american people. we undertake our daily duties knowing that the interest of the public comes first, no matter which party controls the white house or congress. our elected leaders often try to limit the rights of federal employees, but they can learn from us by seeing the big picture, coming together and
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serving the people instead of their partisan interests. of course there are some things that only a hair dresser knows for sure. that's where bianca hopes to make a difference, through her school for beauticians. everyone they encounter won't have the same beliefs, views, or values as them. for too long we have been taught to stay away from gossip, religion, and politics, but why? we should know what's going on in our community, because many people we interact with may be clueless to important changes and events. if my students want to turn their side hustle into a profession, they have to be open-minded, because you never know who will cross your path that could potentially help you down the road or vice versa. my slogan is, behind the chair and beyond the hair. love it. thanks again for your responses. thanks for making time for us tonight. i will see you back here next weekend. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. stay tuned, "meet the press" is next.
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this sunday, making the case. >> this is not a partisan moment. this must be an american moment. joe biden frames his campaign against president trump. >> character is on the ballot. compassion is on the ballot. decency, science, democracy, they're all on the ballot. >> with a little help from his friends and his running mate. >> the constant chaos leaves us adrift.