get a vaccine that works, and how much credibility are we going to have telling people to take it after going through all of this stuff they misrepresented so far? who believes them? who is willing to take their word for it? by the way, you know, the idea -- let's assume we got a vaccine tomorrow. do we have a plan on how to administer the vaccine? how we're going to get it to over 300 million people? these guys don't nknow how to plan so far. but i pray to god, and i really mean this, the bottom of my heart, if we have a vaccine proven to work, that would be wonderful. wonderful. but i will tell you what, using pressure on our scientists to change their opinion or loosen up what they really think is a big mistake, and it undercuts everything about it. franklin roosevelt, to paraphrase him during the

depression he said, look, tell the american people the truth, they are tough, they can take it. when you don't tell them the truth, and then you are suggesting something that could help they are not likely to accept it. so this is a really important thing, and to be so irresponsible as they have been. >> finally, i want to -- >> go ahead. i am sorry. the satellite delay is always a little tricky here. nancy pelosi said something today about the debates i wanted to play for you. >> i, myself, just don't tell anybody i told you this, especially don't tell joe biden, but i don't think there should be any debates. i do not think that the president of the united states has comported himself in a way where there's any association with truth, evidence, data and facts.

>> what do you think about that? would you consider not debating the president? >> no. i am -- as long as the commission continues down the street, i will debate him. i know for certain i will try -- i will be a fact checker on the floor while i am debating him. but, look, one thing that has gone on so far is the vast majority with notable exceptions of the news media have been fact checking the things said during the convention, it's just one lie after another, lie, lie, lie, one after another. the debates will take place that were recommended to me including leading republicans saying i should not debate trump unless there's a fact checker saying that's true, that's not, and i think everybody knows this man

has a somewhat pathological tendency not to tell the truth. >> mr. vice president, i know your time is valuable. thank you for sharing your thoughts with us today. >> thank you for having me, andrea. and thank you for working out and covering what's happening to those poor people in louisiana, texas and now heading into arkansas. thank you so much. >> you bet. that does it for this very busy day. the vice president's first response to the rnc. chuck todd is up next for this new hour of mtv daily. >> andrea, stick around here for a second, the unexpected exclusive you got here. it's interesting this morning, in conversation with producers, it feels like biden and harris have been too quiet in the

convention, and then here they are out here. what did you make what the vice president was up to? >> i think the law and order mess sing holding and taking, and former republicans, strategists saying that's the kind of message that can penetrate with the voter that you very well know, and you have been talking about the six states that is the inside straight path to victory for donald trump. he did it last time with a similar, you know, closely fought electoral vote and losing the popular vote. they know they have to worry about pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin. obviously north carolina, new mexico, other states are potentially in play. i think they have to be worried about the violence in kenosha, certainly, playing into the hands of this overarching message of the rnc.

>> well, it's pretty clear, i don't think it's an accident, and i think you are right there, they chose to speak out given the moment suddenly that we are all in again. andr andrea, a great interview. those are the ones you don't expect and don't get time to prepare for, and you are the best for it. >> that's for sure. >> nice work. >> thank you. we begin this hour now with tracking hurricane laura. the most powerful hurricane to make landfall in louisiana in 160 years. we will speak to the mayor of one city in just a moment, but communications are still a bit spotty. the governor of louisiana says thousands of louisianans may have to be removed from their

homes because of structural damage. all three deaths caused by trees falling on their homes. we expect trump to head to fema headquarters in a few minutes for a briefing, and then we expect to hear from the governor of texas about that state's recovery process, and of course it did not get the dirty part of the hurricane, it was louisiana. and chris jansing is in louisiana. morgan, first of all, walk me through what you are seeing today. what is the power situation? what is the -- how many people are needing rescued and what are the water levels? >> it's a tough situation for countless people today here, chuck. especially in this part of louisiana that took the brunt of laura's impact when it hit around 1:00 to 2:00 a.m. we are 30 miles in to lake

charles, and the winds still powerful. we heard about the deaths as a result of trees falling, and here's a direct example of that. just look down the street. you can't even tell it's a residential street, chuck. tree after tree knocked over. there are homeowners trying to cut their way out as we speak because of the damage this storm left behind. we know that it's cut off access to certain parts of the city, and power was knocked out and cell phone posts have been knocked out. i have been talking to many people that rode out the storm okay, but when they go to check on loved ones they are unable to find that out, and that's adding to the frustration. you mentioned the people that will have to be taken out of their homes pb and that will be more difficult. there are signs still knocked over, and power lines stretched

across, and this really is ground zero of sorts because we know it hit initially at cameron parish that took a horrible hit from rita in 2005, and this storm expected to top that in cameron parish. the main concern right now from city leaders is how quickly can we get things back up and running so we can help those in need at max capacity. this is a crippled city right now and we are seeing it firsthand going from neighborhood to neighborhood. we know one of the big questions is the surveying of the areas being hardest hit. on our cell phones within the past hour, chuck, we had an incredibly troubling find, there was a chemical plant on fire about 30 miles away from where i am stapbnding where two small

communities have been asked to lock themselves inside their homes, shutdown the a/c vents because the air is too unsafe to breathe right now. you couple that with a hurricane of massive proportions and a pandemic, and that's the state of affairs right now in l.a. chuck? >> that is a chaotic state of affairs there, morgan, in lake charles. we obviously need to keep track of what is going on with that chemical fire. morgan, thanks very much. let's go over to chris jansing. tell me what you are seeing, chris? >> reporter: well, some of the winds are picking up again. we have seen some gusts, much less rain but right now the crews are out, the emergency crews are out assessing a lot of damage. we can show you a still photo given to me by the shreveport fire chief. you can see a house that was decimated. a tree came down and there was one significant injury to a

person inside who has been hospitalized. we also went out and spent about 45 minutes driving around shreveport and saw downed trees. fortunately no damage as significant as you saw in the still photo, but trees that came down on roofs and in yards, and as one teacher said to me, and by the way, she moved here after going through hurricane katrina, and she said my husband is going to have to be out with the chainsaw tomorrow, but overall the biggest problem right now is going to be the downed power lines, and going to be the number of people who are without power. again, they are still assessing that. the good thing is that people have heeded the warnings. they have been through this before. they heeded the warnings to stay off the roads. we saw almost nobody. back here live, if can you see, i am right on the red river rear. everything is closed down, all the casinos closed down at midnight last night, and schools that just opened on monday are closed, and businesses are closed so there's no reason for

people to be out on the roads and that allows emergency vehicles to get in by the way, and they can assess the situation and try to take care of it because the hope is that they can be back up and running tomorrow. there's also been a influx of people that have come from elsewhere in louisiana. the last time they had a major hurricane come through, they had a couple shelters that were overflowing, chuck. you can't do that with the coronavirus, and so they all got vouchers for local hotels. if anybody is without power here and want to go to a hotel to get power, it may be tough because those folks have been brought in from elsewhere because of significant damage. >> chris jansing outside of shreveport, louisiana. let me bring in al roker who is hosting the "today" show.

al, there was a warning yesterday of unsurvivable potential storm surge. the storm surge looks like did not hit as badly as forecasters predicted, or do we not know yet? >> i think it's a combination of both, chuck. a number of surge gauges came in, you know, about 11 and a half, 12 feet, and then got knocked out. there are areas to the east of lake charles that have not reported in yet. i am hoping that we dodged a bullet, that this came in after high tide so the storm surge was not quite as bad, but even still it has been a powerful, powerful storm. it's the strongest hurricane to make landfall in louisiana in 164 years. the third hurricane to make lakefront -- that's a record, the number of hurricanes to make

landfall before september 1st. right now we have tornado watches from arkansas, louisiana, all the way into mississippi as the system moves to the north. now a tropical storm, 50 miles east-southeast of shreveport. shreveport having its first hurricane warning ever. little rock, it's having its first tropical storm ever, and it's into the northeast and mid-atlantic moving off and then it moves offshore. conditions get better. of course we are watching these winds. they are still severe winds, part of this, stretching up into the mississippi river valley and that brings in downed trees and takes down power lines. as you look at the outage potential through friday, it goes up through the mississippi and ohio river valleys, and

flash and urban flooding and extreme rainfall rates of three inches per hour, and as the system moves north and then east the rainfall totals will start to click up, but, again, a storm that is of historic proportions, and a lot of folks will feel it all the way up into the ohio river valley and mid-atlantic and northeast, chuck. >> al, i just want to stay with the wind issue a minute. states are going to sees sustained winds of 30 miles per hour they don't ever see -- i say this, and i remember going through a category 1 hurricane in virginia, and i thought this will be nothing, but they never experienced winds like that and there were all these trees that never had been, you know, had never gone through wind like that that fell down and it became so much worse than what a category one hurricane would do to miami. >> exactly.

h here's the problem, trees still have foliage, and certain root systems have shallow root balls so they are prone to collapse, and that's going to bring a lot of trees down on a lot of power lines, on a lot of cars and homes. so i think we're looking at still -- i don't think people should be very come playaplacen this. as it goes north and then east it will have an impact as far as power outages. >> anyway, this is nothing to -- nothing to ignore even if you are in tennessee at this point, anyway. al roker, thanks very much. >> absolutely. we are waiting to hear from president trump as he heads to fema headquarters. we are expecting to here from the governor of texas, greg abbott, this hour. we will take you there when that begins. and then the latest from kenosha

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pouring gasoline on the fire. this happens to be donald trump's america. donald trump's america. covid is out of control. he's doing very little, and he did not prepare for it. he has not responded to it and he continues to be in a position where he does nothing to deal with it. we have 15 million people out of work. we have, you know -- it's just amazing how, if you noticed, they did not speak about covid and they didn't speak about any of the reason why we're doing what's happening in kenosha is happening. by the way, i condemn violence in any form, whether it's looting or whatever it is. by the way, when i spoke -- when i spoke to the family, the mom was really incredibly straightforward and said this is not who we are as a family, this is not who my son is.

we condemn the violence. >> welcome back. that was joe biden a few minutes ago with my colleague, andrea mitchell, commenting on his conversation with the family of james blake. the officer was identified who shot blake in the back. and kyle rittenhouse has been arrested for first degree intentional homicide, and as police announced rittenhouse's arrest yesterday, a protest took place in the bubble that rippled across sports. >> just because we are basketball players, we have to understand when we go home we are still black in a sense that our families matter. fplt when we take the court and represent milwaukee and

wisconsin, we are expected to play at a high level and give maximum effort and hold each other accountable. in this moment we are demanding the same from lawmakers and law enforcement. >> well, we will be talking to the new yorker, johnny cobb, about this. where do things stand today in the phumultiple investigations m the multiple incidents, now? >> reporter: as you drive around in kenosha, instead of people bringing brooms and dust pans, you see people with their paint brushes, painting over the boarded up windows. all of this comes as we have updates and new details about the multiple investigations now that investigators are having to deal with. let's start with the shooting of mr. jacob blake.

we have from the state basic details about the original shooting on sunday night. we know the officer's name, he has been on the force for seven years. investigators say officers arrived to the scene after being called, and they encountered mr. blake and tried to arrest him and tired their taser at him unsuccessfully. at some point in the interaction he acknowledged he had a knife in his position, but they do not say if officers knew about that knife. after the shooting, after he was shot seven times in the back, after the shooting investigators recovered a knife from the floorboard of the driver's side of his car. the attorney general of wisconsin suggesting we are not going to hear many more details about the case or investigation. we know that within about 30 days, investigators will need to hand over the latest information to prosecutors for a decision to happen. in addition to that, we're expecting to see the suspect who

was arrested, who is in custody for shooting and killing two people during the protests on tuesday night. that 17-year-old kyle rittenhouse, and he's in custody now and he explained why he was here in kenosha, and he's from illinois about 30 minutes away, and he came up to help protect the property, and there's pictures of him cleaning off graffiti as well, and he will be in court tomorrow and we will learn more, but right now he's charged with intel shntional homicide. i am joined by the new yorker's johnny cobb. it was interesting watching yesterday unfold as you saw the nba players, the milwaukee bucks deciding yesterday was not a good time to play. we heard lebron james, say, you know, maybe we should pull the

plug on the season. they decided to keep going, but it's interesting, one of the comments i read from one of the players was, you know, we agreed to go into the bubble because we thought it would provide us an opportunity to bring attention to this issue and yet it feels like nobody is paying attention to the issue, so should we be playing? >> right. >> what is your take on what we are watching? >> i think it's a paradox. having black lives matter on the courts while they are playing and all the concessions the nba has had to make to the demands of the players, to recognize the particulars of the moment, the question becomes are people looking for sports as a means of escaping from the realities of those issues, and that presents a dilemma, the voice you heard last night as people were coming to decisions about this. one thing we should keep in mind

is how momentous this is in this moment, and i would put it in the category of the 1968 protests by john carlos and tommy smith at the olympics. the famous black fist protests, which were in response of the exploitation of african americans and the recent assassination of martin luther king, or muhammad ali refusing to go to vietnam. nobody would have thought the playoff nba season could be jeopardized by acts of civil disobedience by nba players, and followed up by baseball players and wnba players. i think this is a completely amazing development to see here. >> look, i have to say that i am probably most surprised by what we have seen and that baseball is following suit, and i think

it shows you sort -- i think it shows you how this movement is growing, but particularly among athletes, i think there's a lot of -- it's funny, i think in locker rooms, the conversations with the rest of the country should be having is taking place in sports locker rooms, and perhaps even in baseball locker rooms that america is not having. >> sure, and there's an idea, a comforting illusion that sports are above politics, or they are the arena where people can come together and be great unifiers, and athletes have been saying for sometime, and even going back to the eric garner protests, and we thought it was a big deal that wore t-shirts that said i can't breathe. >> yeah, they wore shirts. >> yeah. and now we have moved so far beyond that. i think that the players have been articulating for sometime

that when they leave the arena or locker room, when they are not wearing a uniform for professional athletic club, they are african-americans. they confront the same sorts of issues that many african-americans of various social economic background and origins and so on, we have a unifying theme to deal with racism, and an unfortunate amount of it that is direct at us from law enforcement. >> i am curious if you heard, and i hope you had a chance to hear some of joe biden, and i don't know if you heard more of joe biden's interview with andrea a few minutes ago. he was emphasizing on trying to support the protests and condemn the violence, and politically, i am sure you have been seeing the same thing we're all seeing, i can see a lot of politicians, particularly those empathetic to

the protests movement struggling at this moment. what are your thoughts on that and how the vice president articulated that? >> there's a line that joe biden is obviously trying to walk, because there's a significant amount of the public and significant amount of democratic voters for that matter are uneasy at the thought of disorder, or the thought of chaos or rioting. one of the things i think is important is what he said at first, which is that donald trump is in charge so he is really essentially making the argument that he will keep you safe from the situation that is happening while he's in charge. and the other person that does not have control of any of the mechanisms of government can't keep you safe, it's a kind of odd contradictory argument that joe biden was highlighting, and he made that at the top of the comments. he said, look, i am not the person supposed to be keeping

you safe right now, this is a referendum on what donald trump has been doing. >> it does seem as if the real challenge -- you know, there's more evidence that the violent portions of these protests are being -- are instigators, and perhaps they are instigators, you know, vigil anti-s or whatever you want to call them, like this young man that decided to take a gun and decided to play vigil ante and killed somebody. a cop in oakland got killed not by a protester, but by an instigator. that's become the real law enforcement challenge and i don't know if we are having enough conversation about it. >> i think you are right and i am glad you raised that point. because the concern about violence has just very sloppily been attributed to the people on the street protesting about the police use of force, and that seems to not be the case in many

of the instances. the man that was arrested in minnesota, he was walking down the street and smashing windows with hammers, and you know, and trying to incite more violence on the part of the people who were out demonstrating, and then we have also seen people of video who are demonstrating, trying to stop people from committing acts of violence, knowing that they will be blamed for it. so there's a significant threat in this country from right wing militias who seem to be trying to make the most of these moments in terms of creating propaganda opportunities or creating chaos sewing violence that will be blamed on those who are not involved in it. it's interesting -- not only to the protesters and

demonstrators, but to the police as well. >> you know, i mean, people want to emphasize that mr. blake's mother is calling for calm, and there ought to be folks on the right asking those, anybody that thinks they are supporting them in their name to also de-escalate in some form of another. anyway, always good to get your perspective on things. thank you for coming on today. >> thank you. up ahead, the added challenge to responding to hurricane laura in the middle of a pandemic. former fema administrator joins me next. country. 25x faster than today's 4g networks. it's the fastest 5g in the world. this is 5g built right.

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welcome back. we are monitoring a couple of events this afternoon. president trump is expected at fema headquarters for a briefing on laura, and it's a tropical storm and not a hurricane anymore. and joining me now is a former fema director. here we are, so craig, just listening yesterday, i talked to a few local officials yesterday, both in port arthur, texas, and in louisiana, and you could hear they tripled the amount of buses so they could do 20 people instead of 50, and things like

this. from what you have seen, how complicated has this turned out to be? >> well, i think we have been doing a lot of planning at the local and state level. we still probably had too many people who didn't evacuate, but the thing i was most pleased with, is governor edwards had the national guard on the streets this morning as the light came up. the response is not being hampered by covid, they are just having to adjust to it. >> could you speak to the issue that i was trying to get at al roker, and frankly it's one of those that i think anybody viewing that is not on the coastline, you know, this is a powerful hurricane that comes ashore and, you know, people will suddenly think, oh, it's not hurricane-force winds when it starts to make its way through arkansas and tennessee. like i said, i went through a storm in virginia and being a miami boy thinking, oh, it's 70-mile-per-hour winds, we'll be fine, and then trees that never

had 70-mile-per-hour winds before fell over and it was a disaster. >> yeah, once we got off the coast bg the big threat would be extensive wide-spread power outages and trees down, and you start seeing 40 and 50-mile-per-hour winds with higher gusts, a lot of trees and tree limbs will come down and that takes the power line down, and that does the bulk of the damage when the storm moves inland, particularly as it has hurricane-force winds. >> right now there's a nightmare scenario potentially developing, there's a chemical fire, obviously it's due to storm damage, and people living in the area are being told if you have power, turn your a/c vents, turn everything off. i mean, that's your nightmare scenario when it comes to any sort of cleanup. i mean, what kind of preparation does fema have when you think about worrying about whether it's a nuclear power facility or

a chemical plant that is in the line of a storm like this? >> well, unfortunately we have had a lot of experience with petro chemical production plants. two of our lead agencies that are designed to do this and are ready to go is the usepa and coast guard, they are the primary federal response to support those types of operations. it doesn't get a lot of news because you are always talking about fema, but as part of the national team, the coast guard and epa, they are the ones to respond to the fires and chemical spills. >> let's shift a bit to climate change, and al roker showed us the stat, and we just had our third hurricane make landfall before september 1st. >> yeah, the peak of the hurricane season is generally

september 10th. national hurricane center is already looking at more area of disturbed area out in the atlantic. there's not a strong signal we are seeing more storms, but what we are seeing is more rapid storms and we saw it in hurricane michael a couple years ago, and now we have seen this with laura, and we saw it in other storms, so we're seeing -- this is what the science is telling us. we're seeing signals in the intensity of storms, the heavy rainfall from some of these storms that cannot be exsprapla by natural variability. >> you can't go back -- we have practi pretty good records that those back 100 years, and it's not like we went through a period of this in the '30s or '40s, right? >> the data goes back to the 1850s from the hurricane center,

and we know there are active phases that go decades and then decades that are quieter. we have been fairly active since the mid-1990s, and 1995 year to year it has not bin the same but the overall trend has been a more active season than what we have seen in the past. what is different is, these are all record-setting storms. we did not build for them. these are breaking records and causing massive destruction. >> you just said the most important thing there at the end, our building codes are based on what we experienced in the last hundred years, probably not in the next hundred years. craig, always good to get your expertise on this program. thank you. >> thank you. up next, amid a literal storm in the south, and a

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last week joe biden didn't say one word about the violence and chaos engulfing cities across this country, so let me be clear. the violence must stop, whether in minneapolis, portland or kenosha. too many heroes have died defending our freedom to see americans strike each other down. we will have law and order on the streets of this country for every american of every race, creed and color. >> that was mike pence speaking at last night's republican national convention. pence's law and order message last night set the table for trump's speech tonight which he

will deliver from the white house. in moments like this the president often fans the flames of unrest, which is what joe biden alleges he already is doing earlier today. >> he's pouring gas on the fire, and this is his america now. we want to end where we are now and we have to end his tenure as president. >> folks, it's a fraught moment for the country, for the president and the republicans and democrats, and the shifting public attitudes scrambled our next expectations. joining me now is peter alexander. the early story line is what president trump will do is go

after joe biden. >> i am getting indications which is going to be a long speech that gives him a long time to go after joe biden. he will basically say he spent the last four years undoing the damage caused by president obama and the 47 years of damage caused by joe biden, and specifically about biden he will say he supports the most extreme proposals that ever have been put forward boy a major party candidate right now. this president is going to hammer home and amplify the messages, the warnings you heard from the vice president mike pence yesterday, about the lawlessness and violence we have seen taking place in kenosha, wisconsin, in the recent days. we did hear from biden earlier this afternoon condemning the violence taking place right now, but this is obviously the strategy by donald trump and by his allies because they need it to drawback the reluctant

moderate voters that may steer away from donald trump right now, particularly the suburban voters, white suburban women in particular. i am told the key focus right now in the collar counties, the counties that s counties surround key cities like philadelphia. the aide said the message we want to get across, safe communities and a stronger economy, and a safe future. the president will do it in a way only he would. he will try to cast as a success, a new piece of information as it relates to the coronavirus. and the administration will be buying 150 million rapid covid tests through abbott laboratories for about $750 million. these tests about 5 bucks each, and they take about 15 minutes and their hope is that will expand our testing capacity

right now. covid has been what the democrats have been pouncing on, and donald trump is hoping this will sort of take some of the steam out of that argument. >> peter, very quickly, the trump campaign, we have heard mike pence use this phrase, we will make america great again again. they think that's a good idea? >> you know, you heard mike pence say that. that was the punctuating point he made yesterday and i got a series of texts from republican and democratic strategist saying that's going to be a tough sale at this point. look how great things were in february, but that ignores what things have looked over the course of the last six months, the point that donald trump and -- joe biden and his allies are trying to hammer home, the death toll approaching 180,000. they think it will work because they think at the end of the day, those folks will think

donald trump is the one best suited to run the country at the end of the day, but that's a big gamble. >> peter, thank you. we will continue the conversation on how team trump's law and order pitch is playing out for the republican party, particularly in wisconsin, with wisconsin's own charlie sikes after this. r what you need. what do you think? i don't see it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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watching all this? >> well, i think it's very, very fluid, but i dhooio think democ need to be worried about the perception here. republicans are on the offensive, thinking they can score point with the perspgz the democratic governor and officials were slow to respond to the violence, burning, and looting. but of course, this latest story of the white vigilante who comes across state lines and kills two people, that obviously also, you know, complicates the question. so everything in wisconsin, of course, is hyper, hyp hyper partisan, and at the moment, i do think that there are voters, there are those swing voters looking at this saying who is going to protect us, who is going to do this? i think joe biden is right to speak out, and i think he's got to continue to do it. i think it would be fantastic if he actually came here and visited wisconsin to try to calm the waters as opposed to what donald trump is doing, which is

pouring kerosene on the controversy. >> you know, kellyanne conway on fox this morning said the following, the more chaos and anarchy and violence reigns, the better it is for the clear choice on who it is on public safety and law and order. joe biden took that comment and said they're rooting for the violen violence. they're not trying to de-escalate. that to me is something the president has not responded to, which is his role in stoking the chaos. he is not a deescalator here, and will that be -- will voters who may not be happy with the way the local leadership is handling things go, well, that guy is the chaos stoker? >> i think that's got to be a point that they make. look, conservatives, republicans used to understand that ideas have consequences and words have consequences, and the reality is that this is a president who does stoke this kind of division. earlier this week at the republican convention, they actually made heroes out of that white couple in st. louis that came out and brandished weapons

pointing them at protesters and then two days later, a young man who actually attended trump rallies goes into kenosha with a gun and ends up shooting three people. look, this is the moment where you would expect the president to heal or to unite, and this is exactly the opposite of what the president is doing right now, and it's certainly not what we're going to be hearing tonight from the white house. >> you know, charlie, are you surprised that the republican ticket here is rolling the dice on saying look at all these pictures. this is joe biden's america, aren't they afraid that everybody is going to realize, oh, wait a minute, you're the president. in donald trump's america, people are at people's throats, and in donald trump's paeameric we can't leave our house for fear of a virus, in donald trump's our lives have been turned totally upside down. >> it is ironic, but it turns out politics are not always

rational or logical. they're rolling the dice on this because they don't want to talk about the coronavirus. they don't want to talk about the joblessness. they want this to be their culture war wedge issue. this is what they have got, and they're going to play it to the hilt. >> charlie sykes, as always, sir, editor at large of the bulwark, longtime wisconsin resident as well and one of our experts here at msnbc. thank you, sir. and thank you all for being with us this hour. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." i hope folks continue to stay safe out there and all the different ways you need to stay safe. i will also see you late trr the final night of the republican national convention. nbc new's live coverage begins at 8:00. msnbc continues with katy tur after this break. ues with katy after this break >> tech: at safelite, we're committed to taking care of you

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