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undeterred by the deployment of federal troops to kenosha, wisconsin, where protests have remained peaceful after days of unrest. undeterred by donald trump's misrepresentation of nationwide demonstrations. today the families of jacob blake, george floyd and others addressed the crowd with emotional pleas for yesterday and change. here are the fiery words of jacob blake sr. whose son still lies in a hospital bed after being shot in the back seven times by police in kenosha. >> there are two systems of justice in the united states. there's a white system and there's a black system. the black system ain't doing so well. but we're going to stand up. every black person in the united states is going to stand up. we're tired!

i'm tired of looking at cameras and seeing these young black and brown people suffer. we're going to hold court today. we're going to hold court on systematic racism. we're going to have court right now. guilty! guilty! guilty! >> last night, donald trump didn't mention the names jacob blake or george floyd when he accepted his party's nomination for a second term in office. he repeatedly divisive law and order agenda he promised crackdowns on demonstrators and mischaracterized the unrest across the country as the work of violent anarchists, but joe biden was ready with a reminder tweeting, remember every example of violence donald trump decries has happened on his watch, under his leadership, during his

presidency. and today, his running mate, kamala harris, called for justice for jacob blake and reform in policing. and lent her support to the peaceful protesters who gathered today, drawing on the example of the late congressman john lewis. >> for congressman lewis, the brutal murder of emmett till is what shook loose the activist inside him. it was the start of a life-long journey towards service and driving change. the same journey that countless young leaders are building upon as we speak. as john put it, emmett till was my george floyd. he was my rayshard brooks, sandra bland and breonna taylor. >> and that is where we start today. reverend al sharpt orngs president of the national action network who we saw in those images. he helped lead the march on washington today. plus former rnc chairman and senior adviser for the lincoln project, michael steele is back.

and professor of journalism at morgan state university and a contributor for the grio, jason johnson on here. rev, i always ask you this question. if you're comfortable sharing, tell us how the family is doing. >> well, this was the first time that all of them were together. the floyd family along with the families that you saw. we had about 20 families. and half of them were issues that happened this year. and they are doing as well as could be expected, but they're strengthening each other. the mother sent me -- of jacob blake was there. didn't even want to come out. got a little overheated. she's trying to pull through this and the other mothers are trying to talk to her as they kind of know each other's pain. and one of the reasons national action network and i could take the lead in organizing it is we work with the families and we

take the response. the father called me to get involved as did the other families. i think they were very much inspired and empowered by seeing tens of thousands of people come by to support them today, even in a pandemic. we did as best we could with social distancing. we made everyone wear a mask and took everybody's temperature. and to see that kind of crowd brought tears to both the eyes to be standing there in the spot where martin luther king stood 57 years ago talking about a dream for america. and they'd be the ones that the dream has not been fully realized and to stand there with dr. king's son and granddaughter and others saying we were not going to rest until we get justice. they felt like it was an inspiring day, they said to me. we want to see more. we want these new laws passed. the demonstration must be met

with legislation. >> michael steele, i want to talk to you about the ugly underbelly of donald trump's efforts to distort what this is, which we just had the pictures on our screen. these are moms and dads in their darkest hours, and this happens family after family somewhere reaches up and minds the strength in their darkest hour to call for action. i mean, just at a human level, i don't know how you can't be in awe of that. but once it enters the trump distortion field, i wonder what you think sort of happens to all of that raw emotion and pain. >> well, that raw emotion and pain falls out onto our city streets. and it's not widespread. they're not running rampantly across the city of chicago or washington, d.c.

i mean, you know, these folks come to a concentrated area. a place where they feel that we'll get the kind of notice and have the kind of identification so they can have that message shared. but here's one of the interesting aspects of this, nicolle, that we look at it and how donald trump juxtaposes the narrative. you have people that are moms and dads. that's exactly what it is. it's moms and dads and grandparents who have had enough. who have watched generationally this unfold in their neighborhoods and in their communities. and the response from trump not to those parents but to white parents and white families is law and order. i'm going to bring you law and order. and so here's the question. where's the law and order for those black families, those brown communities, those black communities? because that's what they're seeking. they want a legal system that

actually provides justice. they want a criminal justice system, despite whatever was in the criminal justice bill. that's not how it's played out in their daily lives. so they want those narratives to line up in a way in which we talk about law and order, i feel it's something that's going to be a part of me, not used against me. and that's where donald trump sort of changes the narrative, i think. >> well, jason, i think that without the distortion field, this seems like a pretty clear call for everyone just to look inside their hearts. i think that's what jacob blako mom asked them to do a couple of days ago and to -- the law piece of it has failed. young black men, either in -- shot because they were wearing sweatshirts and carrying skittles or shot while a police

officer was close enough to have their hand on their t-shirt. and then the order, the disorder seems to be failing, too. the disorder is a white alleged assassin walking by carrying a long gun and police do nothing. i mean, it seems like as a society, let's take donald trump out of it for a second, but as a society, we're failing on both fronts. >> yeah. and you're exactly right. and i think one of the reasons and literally if you don't mind saying this. i had this discussion with michael last night. he's been texting me about this. i think the way this plays out in part with white families. this is one of the other things trump was missing. there's a lot of white kids out there. there's a lot of white parents out there at these marches because they see this violence as well, and they are upset by it, and they are disturbed by it. and when it comes to the lack of law and order that we have on the streets, what has finally come out in these last couple of months, what we saw in

minneapolis, what we've seen in chicago, what we've seen in portland is the violence is often not just coming from the police but from proud boys and bugaloos and white nationalists and alt-right people coming there and destroying buildings and setting things on fire and handing out bricks. it's become abundantly clear when you're looking at who is causing the most violence in these situations, it's not the mamas and the papas and the teenagers and college kids coming out with signs. they go home by 9:00 at night when the curfew comes in. it's these white nationalists and provocateurs causing violence and trump essentially encourages their behavior and never holds them accountable who are hand in hand with that violence and destruction. >> and rev, the best evidence that they don't have examples of law and order being threatened by the african-american community is that even the example of lawlessness and disorder cited by vice president mike pence, a homeland security

official killed in oakland, that person tragically lost his life at the hands of a white supremacist. >> absolutely. or when you look at what has happened in wisconsin where you see a 17-year-old kid can walk down the street with a rifle after the curfew and the police are asking, you know, are you exchanging pleasantries with these young militia who said they're there to protect property. but if you had a curfew, why is the curfew for the young black kids, not the white kids and then the white kid kills people after the curfew and nobody is talking about reprimanding the policemen for even allowing them out there. that's a graphic example that they are talking to me about the double standard. can you imagine if that was a 17-year-old black kid out there talking about, i'm out here to protect the community with a

rifle walking down the street at midnight when the curfew was 7:00 p.m.? that's the racial divide in the criminal justice system and policing we are not talking about. >> exactly right, rev. exactly right. >> go ahead. >> no, i was just going to say, the thing -- so, you know, being sort of the strategery thinker that i am -- >> me, too. >> i love how you open the show today. and inside the trump camp, that imagery of african-americans standing there with fists up, screaming, you know, and using their terminology, screaming, shouting, that then gets twisted around to give people to say uh-huh, i see that. after watching this, i'm voting for trump. and that's the sweet spot that trump is always pushing and he's going to be pushing over the next 60-some days is every moment he can take and create a

narrative on an image that is important and it is vital to a national discussion about race and criminal justice for him it's an opportunity to turn it and twist it into something ugly where that 69% of the vote, which is white, going to the polls this november, a significant number of them go, well, i think i'm going to vote for trump because i don't know if i really -- this is a little too scary. and that -- we can't be afraid of that. we have to step into that. and that's part of what jason and i were talking about last night. >> well, let's tear it down right here. let's not let that stand because all i see, and maybe this is the mom in me. all i see is the parents' despair. those aren't images to fear. it's like staring into the sun because it hurts so much. how do you break that cycle, michael? >> how do you break that cycle?

well, you can break that cycle when everyone wants to break it. but if everyone doesn't want to break it, if there's one bad apple out there or one bad -- one bad narrative that can be created from it, it makes it harder to break that cycle. it's harder to see with an empathetic eye the pain of those mothers and fathers and grandparents. it's hard to see even with an empathetic eye, you know, the activist with fist in hand and raised up saying, you know, i want justice. you know? it's not an attack on your whiteness. it's not coming after you. we're not trying to take over your neighborhoods. all we're saying is, can you stand with us in the pain? can you understand what we're feeling? and not react the way you have in the past where you've run away from your responsibility as a citizen of this country, along with us, to deal with this and

to confront it. and so when you have people who want to turn that around and twist it into something ugly so that you don't see that pain so you don't acknowledge what jason acknowledged which was a lot of folks in that crowd are white folks. a lot of folks doing the marching along with african-americans and others are white people. you don't want that part of the narrative out there. you just want to show the imagery of black anger and black frustration and then twist it into something that it's not. and that's where this law and order thing really bothers me because trump knows what it says to white people and doesn't really give a damn what it says to black folks. >> but jason, i think -- and i may be pushing a boulder up the hill here, but i think doc rivers was trying to give voice to that. and lebron james. like we're the ones that are afraid. we're the ones for whom the laws do not work and there is no order. we go to the grocery store, 7-eleven, we get out of the car

and walking back and we get shot. i mean, how do you -- how do you take the trump propaganda out of the conversation for the -- and this really struck me this week. i had to watch every nano second of this convention. anyone that's into donald trump and his pettiness and his smallness and his hush money checks written to porn stars from the country's oval office, they're gone. but how do you take everybody else and try to make some progress in this moment? >> well, it's a really good point, and also and brandon marshall, video came out of him. he's been really active on the forefront of this work and he had people call the cops on him trying to move into his new $18 million house. i mean, like as i've said, it doesn't matter how wealthy or educated you are when it comes to these situations. here's what's key from the strategic standpoint. as a political scientist, i don't believe in undecided

voters. not now. we haven't had undecided voters in 20 years. people know how they feel. they're deciding whether they want to vote or not, not who they're going to vote for. the most effective strategy that democrats have been able to demonstrate is, one, the diversity of these crowds. the fact that it is large numbers of different kinds of people, different races of people, but also the recognition that all of this chaos is happening under donald trump. right? he's essentially saying, put me back in office. well, look what you've let happen. joe biden appears to be this calming force in the face of these situations. joe biden seems to be the kind of guy who can wave his hand like moses and part the crowd and say, look, we're going to have a discussion. whereas donald trump is constantly throwing gasoline on these things. at a fundamental level, any white person that is moved by anything donald trump says at this point, they already felt that way. i don't think anyone -- i was talking to friends of mine in milwaukee. i was like, look, are you guys worried about this?

yeah, that's in the southern part of town. but we saw that video of james blake getting shot in the back. we thought that was terrible. there's a large number of americans who don't like chaos, and donald trump doesn't appear to be handling chaos well, and that's the message that democrats need to put across. look, we don't handle this, this guy is making it worse. >> let me go one step further. if i were on the political battlefield right now, donald trump is creating the chaos. peter baker wrote a piece a few months ago where he said donald trump is the match thrown into the -- i mean, the angst and the reckoning is sort of the forest. but the person striking the match and pouring gasoline on it is donald trump. and i guess, rev, i want to give you the last word on this. it would seem the political and societal imperative is to make abundantly clear that president trump is the cause of the chaos and the beneficiary of the chaos. >> he is definitely the cause.

and has been the beneficiary. but now i think more and more whites are beginning to say, even if i don't agree with everything the protesters or civil rights people or black lives matter people are saying, i don't like to be identified with what i'm seeing when i see a guy shot in the back seven times and the police were holding his t-shirt or eight minutes 46 seconds holding -- i mean, minutes, holding your knee on the guy's throat. i had whites, nicolle, last night, i was going around the hotels meeting with the families. i visited different hotels. and at every hotel, i had whites coming up to me saying i'm in town for the march. i'm marching. and one lady said to me, she said, i never thought i'd go to an al sharpton march. she said, but this is ridiculous. she said, it would have been easy for him last night, him being donald trump, to say something to the family. or to at least condemn the kid

that was shot somebody. he did neither. and she said that's why i think you're more reasonable than i ever thought you were. and she was at the march. >> i love that story, rev. and i just -- i watched all four nights of this. donald trump is creating the chaos so that he can benefit from the chaos. and i just think rachel maddow's got my fact-checking muscles flexing now, and it's a really important fact-check in all these conversations. he creates the chaos so he can benefit from it. and i think the truth and reality is more what you describe, rev. rev, michael steele, jason johnson, let me thank you for letting me participate in these conversations with you. i am really grateful. thank you. when we come back, the nba and its players make a deal to return, but in doing so, they pledge action in a host of social justice causes. we'll talk with cari champion and jemele hill about that and

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and all of the marlins and mets have come out of their dugouts. all the mets on the field are removing their hats as well. and now, after a moment of silence that lasted 42 seconds, the day before we celebrate jackie robinson day, the mets are exiting the field after both teams exchanged a wave of caps to one another. so it would appear as though, after a poignant moment, that the mets and marlins will not be playing baseball tonight. >> what we're seeing from athletes this week, particularly black athletes who have spoken in emotional and raw terms about their own personal experiences, will be its own chapter in american history. what you just saw was from last night. the new york mets and miami marlins were supposed to play a game yesterday. instead, they observed 42 seconds of silence in honor of the mighty jackie robinson who

wore that number when he broke major league baseball's color barrier. then after that, they took their caps and left the field leaving behind a black lives matter t-shirt on home plate. they did not play their game. it's just the latest in what's become a cascade of powerful boycotts and demonstrations in the world of sports, largely set in motion by the nba players who decided to boycott their own playoffs. they started a cross-sport movement. that mets game was one of seven in major league baseball postponed yesterday along with three games in the wnba, on top of that, every nhl playoff game last night and today postponed. semifinal tennis matches at the western and southern open suspended and nine nfl teams call off their practices. but today, perhaps a new chapter in the effort. the nba announced that games would resume tomorrow. but that's not the whole story. the league and its players also agreed to establish a social

justice coalition as well as an effort to open arenas in stadiums for voting. it's an historic moment in time described so well by jemele hill and kari champion on their show "stick to sports." >> i understand why they came back to play, the nba players, but i would have liked to have seen them not play and that's because there's a part of me, the anger inside of me, i feel like they feel is that america, until you can respect black bodies in the streets, you don't get to be entertained by them. >> despite what anybody wants to say, we have america's attention. we as black folks, as journalists, as a community have america's attention whether they want to listen to it or not. they can fight us and divide us. what we're saying, we're no longer a commodity. we are humans. this is about humanity. >> joining us now, co-hosts of the new late night talk show on vice tv, kari & jemele.

a show they created to speak honestly and candidly about being black in america, being black women in america. it's such a treat to have both of you. jemele, so you tweeted something that really caught my attention. you said the nba season might be canceled because of racism not covid. think about that. and it really makes you stand up and appreciate how big this moment is. talk about what you were saying on that clip there that -- the anger would have felt better processed by stopping the season altogether. >> well, i think this is why you saw the milwaukee bucks engineer this movement that we've seen over the last couple of days among athletes across all sports. some sports that had you told me that major league baseball, which traditionally is a little more conservative in terms of the mentality, would have gone as far as the mets did, leaving

a black lives matter t-shirt right there on the field, making such a symbolic gesture. i would have told you, you were crazy. and that is -- that should let people know where we are in this moment about how much it has shaken this country but especially the world of sports, seeing people band together. and this is on display what makes sports a unique entry point into this conversation. there's a lot of things in this country we don't do together. we don't pray together. most of us eat with the same people that look like us from our same backgrounds. the sports is the one thing that mashes together. different ethnicities, genders, across the economic landscape and it becomes a movement quite easily when you have a unifier like sports. and so the reason that i tweeted that is that i wanted people to understand just at the breaking point that we're at. the nba players decided not to play because they're tired.

black people across the board are tired. they're exhausted. we're having some of the same conversations that martin luther king jr. and many civil rights leaders were having 50 or 60 years ago with today being the 57th anniversary of the "i have a dream" speech. you listen to that speech and realize we're in the same place. yes, there have been advancements and there have been progress, but the fact that we're still in the place where black people have to beg this nation to respect our humanity. that just says it all. >> you know, cari, that's what the topic you're addressing in that clip we played along with the notion that you have everybody's attention. and that is also true. i was watching this baseball game last night. i watched this happen live, and, of course, came one day after dom smith of the mets spoke and wept about just what you're talking about. people don't care. people don't care. and yes these powerful emotional

moments may finally get the justifiable amount of attention around these issues, but it's my sense that it shouldn't come to this. men shouldn't have to bare their souls. athletes shouldn't have to put their careers and sports on the line. how did we get here in your estimation? >> and that is because, first of all, thank you for having me, but that is because you get it. you see us or you see these a s athletes or black men and women as what they are, humans first. the country never wanted the uncomfortable conversation about racism. this country was built on racism. players were commodities. bought, sold, used, trade. there was never any thought of, there was a life after. when someone sees a black man walking down the street, if your first thought, not saying all people, but if your first thought if you are an officer is, okay, i might be in danger or i'm concerned, you're not saying there's a father. there's a husband. there's a son.

if that is not your first thought when you're dealing with them in these very tense times, then that's bad. and that's how we got here because we have brushed -- we, all of us, inclusively, have not really told the history of what has been a part of this conversation since its inception and so we're pretending as if none of this existed, and we are all, to jemele's point, exhausted. what you saw, and i mentioned this earlier. what you saw from these nba players was a strike, right? it wasn't necessarily a boycott. they were withholding their service because they wanted something done and they now have something done. but as a result, though, what you understood about a strike was that they were mentally exhausted because they are tired of seeing and identifying with that black man that is being -- who is unarmed, one, two, and then shot. either he's dead or attempted murder or it is murder. you don't know what is going to happen next.

jemele and i do our show once a week. we thaurkought, okay, we've cov all the shootings, correct? now we go to work two days later. there's another shooting. it shouldn't be that way. >> yeah. >> and what we're saying in plain terms, especially on our show is look autt us, and we wa you to see us. please do not divide us. we are not separate. we are all the same. and i think it's time for people, really, other than blacks to take a huge, huge look at themselves in the mirror and ask, what do i think of that person? what are my, you know, biases or my subjective racism as i like to call it. what do i seek? and why do i feel that way and that's some soul searching. people want to believe what they believe. and unfortunately, that's how we got here. but i am so excited to say that we are at a time where we are speaking loud and in our

boldness as a community, as a collective, as americans, and we're not turning back. listen to this. get uncomfortable and be a part of this conversation. >> cari, it seems like the second half of that thought is vote. i mean, vote like your lives depend on it. it's a message you heard from president obama at the democratic speech, and it was broader than questions of race, but it certainly included them. it's a message you hear from joe biden and kamala harris every day. but how do you take -- and this is an infinitely difficult proposition, i know this from politics. how do you take any emotional movement and put it behind a really kind of annoying practice? it's hard to vote. donald trump is making it infinitely more difficult, but how do you take all this raw emotion in sort of its pain and beauty and get people to engage in the practice of figuring out how to vote? >> that's interesting because

you talked about it a little in the introduction to jemele and myself. you talked about the turning these arenas into voting places. that was one of the results that came out of the strike from the nba players. lebron was on our show and talked very passionately about more than a vote and how you have to vote as if your life depends on it because it quite frankly does. what i believe you do with all of this emotion is you send out soldiers into the community, for lack of a better word, and go to those who feel as if their vote does not count. so many feel their vote doesn't matter. there's also the misinformation that there are those who feel they can't vote because they have a crime or they've been arrested, and they might have a felony. we talked about this on our show. so many people don't have that information and so right now, and i'll use lebron james and his more than a vote platform. they are working with so many people in different states to make sure they are going to these targeted communities where

these people normally would not vote and trying to educate one and express to them that this happens and it matters. we also are in a part of a country where -- a part of the world where we have social media. i am always consistently pushing that, and we do have to take that emotion and put it into action. i think that, believe it or not, you can run the tape back, i think we're going to see a huge turnout. we'll see obama-like turnout because that's the only thing that will get things turned around for us in this community. it was a huge thank you to black women for putting kamala harris on the ticket. and if not now, when? if not now, when? so i have this sense, i have my ear to the streets. it's not like i can speak for all blacks, but i have a sense that they understand, and people who are traditionally marginalized understand that voting is imperative. our life truly does depend on it. >> you know, and jemele, i was talking with michael steele and

the rev sharpton and jason johnson in the last block. the propaganda around this movement is just that. it is the new big lie. i mean, the big lie is that this is the cause of the chaos. donald trump in the political world is the cause of the chaos and the beneficiary of the chaos. how do you kind of keep the faith with someone like that as an obstacle? >> it's difficult. i've just got to believe, and i'm glad cari has this optimism because i swing back and forth depending on the day and what i read. >> me, too. >> right? it's hard. it's sometimes hard to kind of -- >> four nights of the republican convention kind of swung me the other way so i'm -- >> nicolle, you are better than me. my nerves are too bad to watch the republican convention. i couldn't do it. but getting back to your question, what i've got to

believe is based off history is the will of the people has to prevail. we've actually prevailed through far worse. not just -- this is not the first time that america's soul has been at stake in this country. and i'm not saying that when we get to these points in our history that it's pretty. it's usually ugly. it usually reveals uncomfortable dark truths about what this nation is founded on, what it's about and what it's allowed to fester. but i've just got to believe that in november, people will understand just how critical this vote is, that they will get -- that they need to be engaged at the political process. and i say this repeatedly and i'll say it until my last breath, whenever that long day comes, far, far from now is that if your vote was so unworthy if it didn't matter, why is there such a campaign to take it from you? there's a -- donald trump and the republican party have all but admitted that they need

fewer people to vote in order to stay in power. that should tell you everything. and so that should give you even -- get you even more motivated, more intentional about doing this. i know it's not going to be easy. we have a president that basically crumpled our entire postal service so that he could try to rig the election in his favor. he's purposely putting out messages trying to scare people into voting, scare his base into voting, read white people, fearing black people coming to the neighborhoods, fearing this country is getting a little too ethnic and too diverse and this is the last stand. he's purposely putting these messages out there and sending these signals. at the same time, he's discouraging black people from voting and people of color in general by talking about having police and sheriffs being in the presence of these voting booths . it's an intimidation tactic

that's been used throughout our history. people have to just not fall for this. they can't go for, they gain. we have to stand up and say this is unacceptable to have this kind of president and this kind of regime that is our leaders. this is a critical juncture. the most critical one that i've experienced in my lifetime, and i hope that everybody else is willing to take this as seriously as i am. >> jemele hill and cari champion, a pleasure to talk to both of you. we'll be calling on you. i hope we can do this regularly. really, really heading into such an important part of this cycle and jemele, you're right. if he wasn't so afraid of people voting against him, he wouldn't be trying so hard to suppress the vote. thank you so much. "stick to sports" airs wednesdays at 10:00 p.m. on vice. after the break, a top u.s. general has to make clear that in donald trump's america, the military is and will continue to

be apolitical. that it plans to stay out of this year's election. why do you have to do that? we'll ask.

extraordinary comments from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff mark milley. he said the armed forces will have no role in carrying out the election process or resolving a disputed vote. he said this, i believe deeply

in the principle of the apolitical u.s. military. in the event of a dispute over some aspect of the elections by law u.s. courts and the u.s. congress are required to resolve any disputes, not the u.s. military. joining us now, former chief of staff for the cia and the department of defense, jeremy bash, plus former assistant director for counterintelligence and the author of "the fbi way," inside the bureau's code of excellence, fred figliuzzi is here. for general milley to have to say that at all suggests that there is growing concern about how donald trump may seek to draw the military in to the november election. what are you hearing? >> i think there are a couple of concerns, nicolle. i think general milley's comment is exactly correct. the military is apolitical and must remain apolitical, and it should not participate in any way in the enforcement of the

laws. that's the posse comitatus doctrine which said the military cannot be used domestically to enforce the laws which is why the lafayette scene where the defense department was out there was so inappropriate for which general milley and secretary esper had to apologize. this can come in two directions. surely donald trump could order the military to play some role quote/unquote to provide security during the election which, of course, as we know, is a form of voter suppression. but there's also a concern that if donald trump loses and refuses to leave office, how will we physically get him out of the white house by january 20th. and there are some suggestions the military should play a role. i agree with some who say the military should play no role in that. that's for the courts and our legal system to create the constitutional order that we have had in a peaceful transfer of power throughout our history.

>> you know, frank figliuzzi, when you watch donald trump's public statements, he makes abundantly clear by saying things like my generals, by taking his heinous immigration policies and asking the military to create detention centers, more cages for kids at the border. by constantly meddling in a justice system that exists within the military, going around and undermining the processes that have been in place for a long time. it's not if this happens, it's when this happens. and would it be your guess, frank figliuzzi, that they have sought advice from people who have had to deal with this? i mean, the military makes plans for everything which is why i didn't put jeremy on the spot. but it really seems to me that every time we've said, oh, trump won't go there, we've been wrong. >> so first, you're right in that this is a president who is pretty much telling us he thinks it's his justice department, his

attorney general, his pentagon, his military, his white house that he can use and exploit for his own wishes, and we saw it with the lafayette park disaster. the debacle there with the presence of general milley that he thinks the military is there for whatever mission he wants to send them on for personal gain. so the fact that milley had to come out and say this is a couple of things. first, yes, i would not be surprised if indeed the military and, in fact, law enforcement, is planning for what has become obvious, which is that there will be confusion. there will be some chaos. and there will be increasing violence between now and the inauguration of the new president. secondly, i think milley is onto the fact that the president gets his direction and guidance publicly, through public statements, through the media and sometimes the best way to message this president is to release a statement, respond to a question in a hearing that

gets to the news and then gets to the president, which is, mr. president, i have no intention of getting my military, the united states military, involved in your political campaign or in the election. i think they've -- the savvy folks in washington have figured out you message the president publicly through the media. >> before we lose both of you, i just -- you are two of the voices we've turned to for more than three years on all questions of national security. i want to hear from both of you what you think of everything that was on display this week. jeremy? >> well, you know, the president is trying to strike a tone as a law and order president when he's the one who is undermining laws and order. he's pardoning and commuting the sentences of convicted criminals, his cronies, his friends who helped interfere in the 2016 election. he's in every way undermined our law enforcement officials at the fbi. he's undermined the intelligence

community. he's denigrated it, called it the deep state. it was on proud display. mark grenell was essentially an all-out assault on those who comprise the u.s. intelligence committee, many of whom give theirçóe1 the president has a weak record of defending"&%5k ou national security interest. i think that was laid bare this week.e1 >> someone with law enforcement fac things. a convention devoid of truth and facts. people's house, the white house wasw3w3 extremely stressful and someone who came out after law enforcement, in particular, the

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your kids life orq your own. >> that gold star father getting to the heart of the danger that donald trump poses as our president. it becomes down to it, it's all about donald trump. that scene, that father describing is just one of man who had justq taken office actig on impulse sitting across from stevefá bannon and here we are three and a half years later and donald trump is still very much the same man he's alwaysu donald trump says he plans to remain that very same man who made a decision that resultedw3n the death of bill owens son across the table from steve bannon. raid your int i read your interview. it was remarkable for what he didn't say. >> the purposelp of the article was to look at how he changed, if at all in four years. you try to reintroduce a president to a convention, through a nominating speech. the question is what have they

learned in office. i think your former boss, president bush learned in office, president clinton did. president obama did. i'm sure president trump has. when you ask, he will tell you he's the same. things have not changed.çó askedçó about how he thought he was different, he means jfguard3 he's not very guardì(lc% hapígned to the political,xd to and fro. what he sees ast( the unfair tas and invesxdnvestigations. his challenge is articulating what his second term agenda is. he talks whabts he dmid the ) lower court justices of a conservative stripe. different, he said it's going to be the same.w3 for his çósupporters, that's a good thing. they likeok what they have seen. for a lot of meramericans who dt

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question. i said would youçó do anything differently, i said we would have had more bp, medical equipment. he didn't take any seconde1e1fá thoughts or offer second thau thoughts about his playing down the virus. ärh doesn't offer second thoughs about pushing to reopen society back in the springç0vhich then was followed by such a cascade of more illness and death over the last couple of months. he's saying he did everything prettyfá much right. i asked him about the question of empathy. expressed real emotion about people who have suffered through this coronavirus and he has so far really not been able to do that. it was interesting. he said i hear that. i understand that. i read that and i really do feel bad for all these people. he can't firh the sentence before turning it to the question of blame. it'sok all about china or the governors. it's not in him.

language. i think that's something we're not goiuh to see change because somebody might want him to. sgr pee1 s >> peter baker, thank you for spending time to talk with us. the next hour of deadline white house startsfáfá right now.jfe1 >> ask yourselves right now, how would the historyjf books rememr you? what will be your legacy? will theñi future generations remember you forñi your complacency, your inaction? or would they remember you for yourxd empathy,çó your leadersh? myxd brother cannot bec a voice today. we have to be that voice. we have to bew3 the change and every one.

it's 5:00 in the east. an emotional statement from george floyd sister bridgette. her family gathered today with the family of jacob blake. thousands of others standing up against racial injustice in massive demonstration on theçó national mall. the 57th anniversary of the historic march on washington which today amid growing unrest over police violence against black americans was named the get your knee off our necks commitment march. the>ñk gathering of thousands inviting a split screen with the scene last night a half mile away at the white house. one of the clearest demonstrations yet of an out of step president trump failingñii meet the moment on twin crisis now facing thisw3 country. trump last night centering thex $e!-election divisive law and order message. fear mongering over demonstrate strags decite recent polls

showing the vast majority of f response on questions of race. that's just one of theñi crisis erupting in america on donald trump's watch. the seats on the4; white house lawn last night could have been nearly filled with the peoplewì% who died of coronavirus in the united states yesterday alone.ok that's the state of the crisis on donald f>ñtrump's watch. hisçó ownñi supporters packedxd tightly together with the white house as a backdrop. no mask mandate. no universal testing. allxd of them in harm'st)t way. te vent an expression of trump's mask averse back to work, back to school virus will disappear e0%ll on its own strategy of coronavirus. strategy that more thansfñ two-thirds ofq americans reject in another recent poll. none of those çónumber, nor the overwhelming consensus of the american people have moved donald trum4d÷v response on either of the crisis. s(ow coming to define his

failures asnb president. as greg sergejñ# party in 2016, he declier claired to the nation i alone can fix it. four years later as he accepted the nomination for a second term ç deliv a speech that if effect told the nation, i don't take responsibility at all and that isc where]ms we start this hourh senior opinion rigwriter for thr globe.çót(9[rxjf we over use this notion of a split screen america but many this case you have upwards of 70% of americans who align themselves withe1 the objectivef black liveskf matter. you have 60% of americans in support of athletes who have boycotted games and sports. you have young people who see questions of race in a totallyñ

you've got donald trump over there almost spinning in his own atmosphere talking about an america that we should fear in future when it's-rr the america today that is showcasing these incredible spasms around issues of race and a pandemic that's cost us 4180,000 lives and a lo of economic damage. >> yes. there are two things going on here.]i his ba. e part of@ics message in 2016 was about fear and grievance. a lot of qotherism. he is painting these o2d÷protes painting antifa as this threatç that threatens folk, particularly whitee1q folks in

urbs, that's it's the worst thing that could happen to them1 they're going to come into their neighborhoods and do terrible things to them.

there are more things important. wednesday was a reallyçó&s incredible day.çóçóq that's the reality we're seeing. wroits abo i wrote about my disappointment abouto'h the red sox still play on wednesday. my inbox has been floodedu seeing that much of trump's propagandam; really serve to inform this theoryçó ofw3 the c. he needs to dehumanize anyone who didn'tñi voteymú)#i) çóhim.]

a lot of the refusal to engage around issues of race is a refusal to acknowledge he's the president of the whole country. my observation and i wonder what yoç(ó[ think is that senator kaa ql"t$ard wired to alwayszv incl message arj yound united people. around michelle obama's, when they go low, we go high. my question to you is will it work? >> i think it's a?v good questi. we have and processed this a president of the united! division and count on that playing out in term of keeping people away fro. th9b!allot box. when i watch the republican convention and i did watch every single minute of it, i heard

it really, i think president trump's remarks last night really speak to this where he is counting on keeping his8c-ñ fá4 people who are as aggrieved as he is and adding:lañ 11% of whi peoplejf that he has scar/r that black people are comingfá for them. i think there is nothing more insidious than a president who has decided÷xc that the only wa that hew3 can win is to splitz]s countryok apart. democrats aruk going to have to get through that message. they are going to have toñr spe to people and say, you cannot just sit home and allow this president to tear us #oiapart ey single person has to vote. they haveçó to do it early.

they have to do it in the way they can because that is the is happening in his america on his watch. talk about, you're the expert on disinformation. talk aboutñr how much theyok ren it and how much they need it to

stick toe1 prevail.ok >> as you d$q"fñmentioned, it's@ immigration and thee1 irony. you're kind of eluded to this or nixon's law and orderñr campaign ofybé49 1968 i wasn't president. the disorder he was campaigning against was happening on somebody else's watch. donald trump is e1president. this is happeningla%9xon his wa. the other irony of it is he's the most lawless president in history. he's challenging law and order but he's hadímore indicted felons in his administration than any administration in history.

justice department. his family has been indicted over and over for crimes. the fact that he is saying it, is a irony. i hope and pray that voters see through okit."njv >> i stopped asking where the republicans are. i strikes me mitt romney did march with black lives matter protesters around in the wake of the:xv lafayette square clearin; i want to ask you havingñiçó wad this family, this most recent family and if you, i hadokxd th conversation with jamil hill in the last hour. if you have a weekly broadcast, it's even moret( notable how yo t ve to update the examples ofp young black men being shot at the hands of police when you're on every day.

the thing that strikes mew3 is u(váháhe family that first calls for calm. it's every single incident, the family of '"mrge floyd, the family of jacob$tó blake. they have used the first turn where they have to go in this t( macabe ritual of!u grief and sluuá despair and called for calm. laying any of the chaos at the hands of the victims is beyondw it should be criminal slander. >> yes i thiub that's true. m mash today with some of these families it struck meq these ar people. these are every dayjfe1ñi.

they were put in thu this burden onxd tope1ñi of the tragicwlt loss very persona loss of their brothers, sons, uncles, they're sisters. they have been thrust into this point ofw3óñm5 leadership yet, said, they're the ones that speaks so poignantly not only there is justice. they promote protests butok the want peace for every one. they want black peoplee1fá toyé they want the police to protect them, not pose a threat. they can give lessons to a lot offá republicans, particularly republicans.ok

that black lives matter. it's still remarkable toe1 me w had a whole republican convention where the last person áwas not the last, the only living former republican president that shows you how theq republican party hs split. the folks on that other part of that split, they could have shown up at they could have showe1n theirw3 support and stood along the folks. q@nmember george w. bush standing at thebv pettus bridge and standi iningfá up and appla when barack obama called for the voting rights act. there is a space for that in this conversation and it would çmk see if our control roomv#%n put up pictures from one side and last night's trump if i were magazine ed tor, i would say what's missing in the

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masks in the middle of a covid-19 crisis, a global pandemic and he doesn't seem s! care. he's ignored it. he's basically srfñ we're not doing anymore testing. i'm putting my head in the sand. don't look atlp me. do not blame me. that's not what we need.vásq% that's not what we need to cont to do the next 67 days isçó sho that contrast, make the casee1 the american people andq one moe thing we have to do is we haveç to go full speedjf ahead toñm? g sure we have massive g/(7 operation and afá voter educati operation which we're doing because you have a president

that's going to undermine ourtx democracy and buput bar yours i front oft(ç!uá going to votew3 in november.ñi >>%q cannot tell you how many of my democratic friends areçó psyched out by donald trump's audacity. here is the way their nightmares go. çg audacity of the grift, the audacity of the lies, about the real reason there's chaos on the street and the audacity to place someone who isn't+ws president things that are happening under someone who is president is making people scared. he will lie to his base and he will lie and frighten enough]ok sort of swing voters to put himself over the top. it will all be a lie but thereq are people who are sipsyched ou by the$é audacity of the lies hs willing to tell. how do you combat that? you lay it out that way where we

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were people that met us in a few t of those people joined . people joiningog while with the police were really nice. we knew we would have a tough time when we got to indiana, it was everything started. as soon as we got there, first t have road spook and the n word and people start throwing boots and food at us weñ had to like weird experien inx indiana d÷% the police were blocking off the gas statione1 so the police wouldn't use the bathroom they were telling businesses we were going to burn them down!@ i think we got to valperzo theye marched down the street

the next municipality arrested c us one is marchexfç"ith us and th we are arrested ono the same highway whichxdarrested uus i think it was warsaw,÷?india. say the police are confused.x you have that sort of ability to see it from their =vvñside it sounds like you encountered a couple who saw and believed inq ñ . do you think that there is any replacement for that su of actual experience of walking in each other'st shoes >> i think a lot of times people thip we have a c!lem with the the mainnotçñr thing is that thú certain percentage of bad cops in order to be a good stop, you must stop a bad cop. you had three other cops that didn't stop the bad cop. 9t can't truly be a good cop unless you stop a bad cop. we don't have a problem with police that are being good cops.

we had a police officer march with us. a s trooper that gave me their trooper badge.j she said, while you fight for me on this side, i'lle fight for u on that side i was very emotional i received it. everything was fine. the confusion for me is i askedq the cop.f one officer was marching down s the street with us,g"pe did he k the law. theyqçruju(+ did answer that. sometimes one police officer will saye1 you can do this. another one will say you can't do the exact sa?ep thing. e that's what makes it qconfusing. the fact that&]sing the fact that&some of them fe like they can take the law into their own hands and make things i know the law. i know my first amendment rights allows mex(bt allows mex(u the freedom to it trumps any state or city policy they could have a lot of timese they will tell you you can't do something the you tell the police can yo5 prove it, they can't that's what's been happening a lotçóof police were telling

you can't block the fstreet i'm liketñhow it to me if they couldn't then we would continue to walk that upset a lot of police officers along the way for theqmost part, it was kind of weird indiana washrally bad with the dti z was really cool wit theh people werefá really bad. pennsylvania wasçó like, kind o _;hp'd down. you always have officers that just kind of don't like what you're doinggf i think they don't really care for what you're doing. always make jokes about it. sometimes the sheriff will come up and then he'llt( haveóé÷ to t traffic. ime1 makect jokes and say he tu (b!ed intoçólp a traffic cop. he got dmo times they think they can make a phone call and thee1c person above them will let them know we're not breaking laws and theyq have to protect us and serve us and have to escort us through the cities.6 that's what's been happening. standing up against them knowing the law because for me youñi cat just tell me something because t you're the police. you can't impose on me.se that's worked so many times for black people in thetdlzñuh blac

community. there's been so many neighborhoods i've walked through where they were like we never got to march down this çó street. in fort wayne, indiana. they w!j;ñ like we never got to march down"cjis street before. i'm like why, the police told the they couldn't and they turned around andñr left. we were really, every time i said, there's nothing going to stop us from getting toy washington, d.c. t x our main goal.ç-4 >> tell me when you decided to go and what your lastingñi mess% is for folks watching right now. why was it important toghi be te today? >> originally, a lot of activists were flying out. k out to thisir÷ march. i was like i want to go to the march bad. when iq foundi] it on on the commemoration of the i haver dream speech. ñiw3 way to honor them both. we havexd been marching for a l of days. i think they always thought it

was going to be a compromise on th ]ok thingsto thatsdmyçó wbw . i want to show the nation and people in other cities marching for change that we have to stand strong and dojfó[ things differently. we have the impose more of what & we have toe1 g make people uncomfortable. that's the only way to get change is by making people uncomfortable. when i first decided to do the march, i decided i should march. jz facebook andc)d hi it was real. i'm joking about that. sometimes it's like you do something and you say you're going to do something and then you just kind of stick to it. #kuhought about it. i said i'm goinge4kñ to do e1th. i was reallye1 adamant about dog it. what i didn't prepare for was

>> a lot of good experiences ÷ lote1 of racist experiences with people. s to getd(thexdwashington, d.cd out the goal wasw actually the journey and exposing all the little towns they e allowed$b racism to exist. one of my friends was shot in that city in one of those little towns as fáwell. those people were not charged. they were let go that's another symbol of what's 2ng onok when you get smaller town that are ran by white privilege andçóóracism >> frank, you are the most interesting person i'vep$çtald to in a very, very long etime thank you for spending some time with us. journey really important and your insights arefá not availabt to someone who doesn't travel the waydd÷ you just did through this country. hope you will continue toe1çó s out and come back andw3 talk tos any timeónpoñ youxd would like . thank you. ò!nitely.

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say, it's over.,çx4 it's done. it's in the rear view mirror. yet, more than a thousands americans continue the die. there will be consequences from l-;a9=qkqñ just for the people e there many people in his base who look at that and say, okay. so the president is saying, it's all right. we don't need to engage in social distancing. i think that's a tragedy. >> you know, just to pick up on charlie's thread. i said this last night and then someone in the circumstance texted me a few minutes later. you might even be a trump voter. you have a kid with pediatric cancer undergoing chemo. you wear a mask so you don't bring home covid into your household. you go to costco and you're banking on the good will of the other people in your community. you don't know them. you hope while you're at costco, that they'll wear their masks. you never know who someone is

trying to protect. it is so much harder for that mom when she goes to costco other. people are wearing their masks and it makes it more likely that there will be some conflict, some partisan debate about why you should wear a mask so no one brings home covid if they have an immune suppressed household. minutes after i said that, a woman texted me and said i'm that mom. i have a 19-year-old with cancer and i need everyone to wear their masks. >> we need to model that behavior. all you have to do is look at the two images of the trumps and the bidens as they were watching fireworks. one with masks and trying to show america what to model. the other with no regard whatsoever for what americans are suffering. >> doctor patel, charlie sikes, thank you for spending some time with us. thank you. when we come back, remembering

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welcome to "the beat," everyone. this evening we start with thousands of americans repudiating the dark messaging of donald trump just hours after used his