of course, you can catch me monday at 3:00 p.m. on n msnbc. "the reidout" is next. the niece of donald trump talking to mary ann trump barry. you'll hear about his relationship with his adult children. plus his relationship with god. let me set the scene for you on this friday. happy friday, by the way. trump used his house as his backdrop, inside what he views as trump palace. we saw a parade of cortisans and

court jesters pleading for his attention. his only resume is their surname adult children. >> dad, people attack you for being unconventional, but i love you for being real, and i respect you for being effective. >> my father has made me believe that america can truly be great again. >> i miss working alongside of you every single day, but i'm damn proud to be on the front lines of this fight. i'm proud of what you're doing for this country. >> america is the greatest country on earth, but my father's entire world view revolves around the idea that we can always do even better. imagine the life you want to have. >> okay. as i mentioned, tonight we have new insight into that family, the family that comes from mary trump's secretly recorded conversations with her aunt, maryann barry, who is the president's sister. these recordings we're about to play separately are snippets of

two separate conversations. they were recorded in 2018 and 2019. i should say we were not provided with the full recordings. we can hear maryann barry and mary trump discussing ivanka trump on the child separation policy. >> when that damn ivanka puts this picture of the madonna and child on instagram when the big news of the day was how kids are being ripped from their families. i couldn't blame -- i'd never heard of samantha bee before. i couldn't blame what she said. >> in that recording, maryann trump was slam samantha bee

after she posted this image of herself and her child at the same time the country was learning that the trump administration was separating migrant children from their families. now, the next clip you're about to hear, mary trump and her aunt talk about eric and ivanka's ambitions. >> meanwhile, eric's become the moron publicly. ivanka gives a [ bleep ]. she's all about her. >> yeah, she's a mini donald. >> she's a mini donald, but yet he's besotted with her. he always has been. she's always been his favorite. >> we also hear what maryann thinks about her brother donald. >> and then you get donald who won't do anything for anybody unless it's going to inure to his -- i mean, he won't do any -- publicly. i mean, if you -- anything he did, he says, look what i've done. aren't i wonderful. and he's as tight as a duck's

ass. just like dad was, really. >> now, we've reached out to maryann trump barry for comment but have not heard back. i'm now joined by mary trump, donald trump's niece and author of "too much and never enough," the best-selling book. it's sold millions and millions of copies. mary trump, it's nice to talk to you again and thanks for being on with us to unpack the convention. it was something else, the convention, i should say. >> it was, indeed. >> i think a lot of people want to know what tight as a duck's posterior -- what does that mean? >> it just means really cheap. it's a little more colorful. >> so donald trump really put on a show of his family, really pushed the adult children forward, even tiffany pushed them all out forward.

what do you think the purpose of doing that was this week? >> i think it was twofold. you know, it was, on the one hand, to show him as a great family man, and on the other hand, it was a not-so-subtle faint toward a monarchial profession, because as you know he does that with considerable amounts of his party. >> right. you saw joe biden being lauded by his friends and his family and how much love there was in the biden family, and also kamala harris's sister sent her up. maybe the kids got in on it. there was a part in the presentation where ivanka trump talks about her son building a

replica of the white house and that it being displayed by granddad in the oval office, which isn't like a donald trump-sounding thing like he might do. and some republican friends said, wait a minute, didn't she tell that exact same story about herself, saying that when she was 13, she made a replica of trump tower and trump put it in his office. do you suspect that maybe that story was a recycle? what do you make of that? >> first of all, from what i understand, not only was that story ivanka told debunked, she admitted that it wasn't true, and it was also lifted from a story told in "the art of the deal" about when donald allegedly stole robert's blocks and glued them together, which, fri from what i understand, is also probably not true. i guess gluing children's building blocks together is genetic, i don't know, but it's remarkable how similar the stories are. >> it is.

let me play another bite, and thank you for providing us with this audio. here is the conversation that you had with your aunt about the d.r.e.a.m.ers. take a listen. >> well, what he did with the dreamers. i mean -- >> god, that's -- >> i am so much in support. no, but he changed his -- but he denies it. he mean, he would deny he changed his mind. >> of course he did. well, it's just like with the kids who are now in concentration camps down in texas, he is blaming the democrats for it. it is demt krat's horrible policy so which suggests that he thinks it's a bad thing and yet he is allowing it to continue. your aunt used to be a judge.

was this recorded while she was still a judge? >> yes, but she's been inactive for a while. i don't believe at the time she was on the bench. >> if she's calling them concentration camps, that sounds like a pretty severe thing. are you surprised she didn't go public since she's got a judicial background. does it surprise you that she didn't say anything publicly, only saying it to you? >> unfortunately, no, it doesn't surprise me. she subscribes to the same notion of family loyalty that her siblings do. >> let's play another piece. this one, i think, is significant. aside from the controversy with jerry falwell, jr., et cetera, his evangelical christians are really his base. and here is a conversation with yourself and your aunt about trump and god. >> the only time donald went to church that i know of, at least

when dad wasn't bringing us every sunday, was -- >> when he got married. >> yes, and over the last several years, when the cameras were at the church. >> exactly. >> so to your knowledge, including your dad, they were brought to church, the family, every sunday. was this the power of positive thinking church, or was it a mainline sort of protestant church? >> i honestly don't know how often they attended church. i don't believe it was every sunday, certainly not when they were older. as far as i can recollect, my father joined the parish church with the guy from the mid-'50s. i never got the impression in t -- that any of them were particularly religious or

churchgoing. >> did you ever hear your uncle talk about religious people? what were his thoughts before he got into politics and needed his votes about religious people, about christians? >> he doesn't have any. he has no connection to religion or faith that i'm aware of. you know, he's quite good at finding what, in his words, he would call suckers. so as we've seen, unfortunately, he's been able to, you know, co-opt people's fits with any sincerity or efficiency. >> let's talk about his children. i hate calling them children even though they're adults, but they're kind of dependent on him so they haven't really done anything, so to speak. ivanka trump and jared kushner

earned at least $36 million in outside income in 2019, meaning people are paying them a salary. ivanka is going after china. china is his new mexico. ivanka trump has gotten 18 trademarks in just two months, according to the associated press. she's got lots and lots and lots of business that she does in china. do you get the sense that the adult children -- and i'm not going to ask you to make a legal opinion or anything like that -- are using the position that they have to enrich themselves further? >> well, if they weren't and if they actually cared about serving their country, all of them either would have put all their holdings in blind trusts or they would have divested entirely. i think that's the simplest answer. >> lastly, on donald trump jr. just his one trip, the trip to go hunting and to hunt down

animals -- it's so brave -- $60,000 more than he originally admitted. do you get the feeling that he hopes to succeed his father and take over the presidency? >> i think certain parts of the republican party are grooming him for that sort of thing, which suggests how far the party has fallen. i can't -- well, honestly, i can't think of anybody less fit than my cousin. the fact that we even have to be talking about my cousins is sort of tragic, honestly. in addition to being donald's children, they're also his employees, and some of them actually work for the united states government. and all i see is they're taking advantage of their father's position yet again to accrue power. and we need to be on our guard about that kind of thing,

because it's very dangerous. >> absolutely, yeah. autocracy has heirs. mary trump, you're always so transparent, and i realize this has to be hard talking about your family. thanks so much. i really appreciate your generosity with your time. >> thanks so much, joy. coming up on "the reidinstitutereidout," 57 years after the march on washingto washington, jacob blake's father was there, and he joins me next. president trump spent a lot of time this week insisting that trump is not a racist. >> i've seen racism up close. i know what it is, and it isn't donald trump. >> these achievements demonstrate that donald trump truly cares about black lives.

>> well, when you have to say it. i'm going to talk about that and the other convention nonsense next with bill maher and get his thoughts on jerry falwell jr.'s pool boy telling him off. >> jerry was on the bed. he was drunk and he was giggling. again, i'm kind of weirded out at this moment. >> the tea is spilling. "the reidout" continues after this. reidout" continues after this

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america. >> heading into this week, donald trump promised his convention would portray a confident, uplifting message for the country. those watching it didn't think it was quite that. dan rather summed it up best saying, the trump re-election strategy seems to be to argue that only donald trump can save america from donald trump's america. joining me now is bill maher, host of "realtime with bill maher." bill, it's good to see you. >> good to see you. congratulations on your gig. i haven't seen you in so long, i haven't been able to say it. >> i live in the suburbs. i don't know if donald trump is aware that some of us live in the suburbs, but i do. i'm not sure i'm afraid they'll be abolished, but that seems to be the theme. if you live in the suburbs, i guess joe biden is going to burn them to the ground or send someone to do it.

do you think that is a way to win an election? >> i don't know, but that is a question to be asking. i hear about all the lies, and of course there is a lot of lies. it's donald trump, there's going to be a lot of lies. who cares? the question is, is it an effective message? was it an effective convention? it was a unique convention, but, you know, they had a crowd. they had people applauding. they produced things. he had a messolini on the balcony moment. i don't know if this stuff works, but it might. i was reading something very disturbing about facebook, did you see that, how much facebook is sort of controlled by the right wing and how much more their stories get recirculated? i am feeling less confident about this. maybe it's just their convention

bump got to me, but i'm feeling less confident than i was a month ago. >> so here's some of the data. ratingswise, it didn't do as well as the democratic convention. if you just look at the raw numbers, day 4 when it was head-to-head biden v. trump, the democrats edged out the republican. in general the democrats did better. you have these apprentice producers who put this thing together. it was a smoothly produced thing. the content wasn't thrilling but the messaging was very specific. if you voted for donald trump last time and you're feeling a little icky about it because of the racism and because of, you know, saying neo-nazis had good people and all that. look at those four guys, they like him. look at these women, they think he's nice. you c

this is a permission slip you can do it again. white voters who voted for him last time are weirded out now. >> i saw that one guy, i think he was the attorney general, i forget his name, the african-american gentleman, and he was pushing back on joe biden saying if you vote for trump, you ain't black. and i don't think that is a good thing for joe biden to have said. you know, he said, i have my own mind. i don't get that reasoning, but, you know, people do have their own minds. i have never been a fan of conformity, i have never been a fan of we all wear pink on wednesday. we all have to do this, we all have to say this, we all have to do this then. i don't bend the knee, and i get that, that people are pushing back on that kind of stuff. so, look, like i was just saying, i feel very nervous the same way i did four years ago at

this time. >> it's right to feel nervous. i think the only way to win an election is run by losing. i think people who get too confident always lose. you said i don't bend the knee thing, which i think most americans feel, but you have a guy who is running -- and i'm interested in getting your take on this -- who is basically running as a monarch. they used the white house, they used fort mchenry. they put a family there and threw a trump sign over it as if they were already royals, as if they are already the royal family of the united states. does that kind of a message work with average americans who can't even leave their house, can't go to the movies, can't go to a restaurant, have to put on a mask to go into the supermarket, into safeway, but here are these thousand royal leisures who get to be mask free in front of the white house. i wonder if that message of we have a sort of different world than you, we get to live better than you and we're the kings.

does that hurt him? >> i think that's their choice. some place you go, you don't have the choice whether to wear the mask or not, you have to, but if you're asking me whether that message works -- >> yeah. >> to a degree, it does. to portray that idea that i would rather die on my feet than live on my knees, yes, i think that is attractive to a degree. they looked optimistic, they looked like the country isn't falling apart, even though the country is falling apart. and optimism very often wins elections. every politician will tell you, every election is about the future. so their strategy to downplay the present and everything horrible that's going on right now and say -- i mean, just the promise of the vaccine by election day, just one of the many things he constantly is

pulling right out of his butt. but that's always been his method. i mean, all i could think of when he was -- the whole convention, all the speakers, all i could think of was that thing he told that time to billy bush when billy bush kept saying, you can't say "the apprentice" is number one, it wasn't even close to number one. billy, just say it and they believe it. that's his theme all the time. just say it and they believe it. we haven't taught civics in two generations, i don't think. i don't think they're going to be appalled by monarchy. it just looked good and it looked like pageantry. if they're going to be upset, he should have been upset a couple weeks ago when he admitted what he's been going to do for three years now, which is, look, if i

don't win, it's rigged. heads i win, tails you lose. i can't not win this election. that's what should be so scary. >> in my mind, i do worry about losing the democracy, because as you said, autocracy is attractive to a certain kind of person who wants order. there's been polling showing that certain republicans are fine with diminishing democracy if they stay in power sf. >> if you say, i don't want black lives matter running through my neighborhood, and i think for a lot of people who are panicking about the changing demographics, they're willing to let some democracy go. that's what worries me about whether or not we'll have a democracy four months from now if donald trump stays in office. are you worried about that? >> democracy is nebulous to a lot of people. again, if you do polling, you would be appalled at how many people cannot name the three

branches of government. just the very basic notion of checks and balances is lost on a lot of people. but what's never lost on people is strengths versus weakness, who looks like he's strong, looks like they're weak. >> last question before i let you go, and i don't have time to run the sound bite because i've run through so much time with you. these admissions about jerry falwell jr. billy graham actually gave an interview today. talk about someone who is a leader of the evangelical rights. >> do you really want to get into a religion conversation with me? we're such good friends as it is, i have a feeling this is just going to throw a monkey wrench into our friendship. i've been saying on television for 27 years, religion is stupid and dangerous. see, i told you. you asked me.

you want to know. last week i did a whole thing about cancel culture and say if you're going to go through a cancel culture, you're going to have to cancel god. because in the bible, god and his number one son jesus are both completely okay with slavery. if you quoted some of the things that are in the bible as tweets today, i mean, people would go nuts. are religious people hypocritical? yes, and here's another example. >> bill maher, we're going to take this up another time because i'm into christian faith. i'm going to do this with you another time. hopefully we can talk again. have a great weekend. and jacob blake's father is here to share his thoughts next on the shooting of his son by police in kenosha, wisconsin and what happened today on this, the 57th avenue of the 1963 civil rights march on washington.

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hours after donald trump wrapped his circus at the white house, this was the scene just down the street today. thousands gather to participate in the commitment march to commemorate the 57th anniversary of the 1963 march on washington

for jobs and freedom. that march is known for martin luther king jr.'s "i have a dream" speech but it's also where the youngest speaker, the late, great john lewis, made a call for a serious revolution, a revolution that continues to this day. the 1963 march occurred eight years to the day after the brutal lynching of 14-year-old emmett till in 1955, which galvanized the civil rights movement and john lewis, who was just one year older than till would have been. it's a point that democratic vice presidential nominee senator kamala harris honored in her taped address today. >> for congressman lewis, the brutal murder of emmett till is what shook loose the activist inside him. it was the start of a lifelong journey toward service and driving change, the same journey that countless young leaders are building upon as we speak. as john put it, emmett till was

my george floyd. he was my rayshard brooks, sandra bland and breonna taylor. >> demonstrators took to the washington mall as yet another family grieves and people seethe in outrage of the killing of yet another black man. 29-year-old jacob blake was shot in the back seven times by a police officer. the organizer reverend al sharpton called the president mean-spirited. >> how do you speak while this young man, jacob, lies in a hospital and you won't call his name? how do you sit while breonna taylor is in her grave and you won't call her name? well, mr. trump, look right down the block from the white house. we've come to washington by the thousands. we're going to call their name.

>> at today's march, the mother of breonna taylor whose killers, police officers who bust into her home and fired off shots, and the brother of george floyd, whose killing in may sparked off today's march also spoke. perhaps most poignant were the words of jacob blake sr. who addressed the crowd even as his son lies in a hospital bed in wisconsin, paralyzed from the waist down. >> there are two systems of justice in the united states. there's a white system and there's a black system. the black system ain't doing so well. but we're going to stand up. every black person in the united states is going to stand up! we're tired! >> i'm joined now by jacob blake's father, jacob blake sr. sir, thank you so much for being here. >> no problem, joy. congratulations on your new show. i'm really proud of you and

honored to be here. >> thank you so much. you did not have to say that and i truly, truly appreciate that. that means pay lot to me, sir. i want to talk to you just a little bit about how jacob is doing. how are his spirits and what is his prognosis for recovery? >> they haven't given a solid prognosis at this particular time, joy. he's heavily sedated, so he's in and out of consciousness, and we're just -- he's hanging on, joy. and he's hanging on so tough that they can't write him off. he's a tough guy. he got that from his father. >> yeah, absolutely. well, you talked about a white system and a black system in your powerful speech today. let's talk about that white system versus the black system. we know that the teenager, the

vigilante who shot two people, killed two people was, you know, treated with kid gloves, i think anyone would agree, as he walked around -- >> walked around and got a high five. >> exactly, and was able to walk around freely. we understand that your son who was the victim of a shooting, shot in the back seven times, was he handcuffed to the bed he was in in the hospital? >> probably one of the most irritating things of my first visit with my son was that i was checking out the area, and when i looked at his feet, they had him in a flat bed because they said it's better for his circulation. he was paralyzed from the waist down with no feeling in his legs, but this cold steel was laying on my son's right foot.

he was shackled to the bed skpchlt that irritated me, i think, more than anything of that day. what made me smile is my son acknowledging me and weeping with me. we weeped together. >> did anyone explain to you why a paralyzed man, who is the victim here, was shackled to the bed? >> well, there was no need for explanation, because i knew that they were going to start to besmudge my son, and this was part of their plan. once they didn't succeed killing him, now we got to besmudge him. so they came up with some old warrants that were misdemeanor warrants, but they gave him the right to have custody over his own body if they wanted.

>> first of all, if he's paralyzed, shackling makes no sense, right? he wasn't going anywhere? >> it made no sense to get seven shots in the back. that made no sense. none of this makes sense to me. >> i'm sure. was he charged with a crime? >> he was charged with misdemeanor something or other. we paid the 500 -- but they wouldn't give him a bond at first, joy. they wouldn't give him a bond. we couldn't pay -- it was going to be 250 to $500. they wouldn't let us pay it because they wouldn't set a charge. so the attorney general of wisconsin, they're not telling everything. >> what do you want to see happen with regard to these officers? >> i want the officers fired, joy. i want the officers fired. because he committed attempted murder on my son. he attempted to murder my son. if he shot two shots or one

shot, you could have said, well, okay, maybe he made a mistake. but to shoot my son seven times in the back while he was pulling his shirt to keep him close for the shots. >> do you want them to be charged? >> oh, yes. oh, yes. >> we will keep an eye on this case. i'm so sorry this is the way i had to get a chance to meet you, through the tv, but thank you so much and please give our best to the family, to jacob's mom and his sisters. you've spoken so powerfully on his behalf, so thank you very much. >> thank you very much, joy, and once again, i love your show. i watch it every day. >> thank you so much, sir. thank you. >> i used to watch it twice on the weekends. i still do hope i get to see you on the weekends. >> every so often i might turn up. thank you. jacob blake sr., thank you for being here. "the reidout" continues right

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on august 28, 1963, 250,000 americans marched on washington to demand that the president address civil rights, voting rights and poverty. 57 years later, we have no president, and we have no administration worth making demands to. instead we have a man who would be king. over the last four days, america and the world have been given the gift of warning. we have been warned this early and visually what it would look like if america fell into dictatorship. what we saw this week was not a political convention, but rather, an attempted four-day coronation. many countries have fallen into autocracy without seeing the left hook coming. but our dictator in training has been warming up for four years. this week he finally got his dream, to be treated like royalty from an adoring, maskless crowd willing to

pretend for his pleasure, and at the risk of their lives, that there is no pandemic. thanks to a team that was willing to dress it all up kim jong-un style, last night was the big reveal. the white house was made into trump palace, the domain of trump. his reluctant birther queen and his princess, the royal public charge and her globetrotting, do nothing, yet do everything husba husband. turning fort mchenry and jerusalem hopefully not to go into bankruptcy or bedbugs. all they did was slap the trump name on every one of those buildings to match the iron gate strung up around the white house. but here's the thing, donald -- and i call you donald, because

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prop. as "time" magazine points out, while past presidents may have improperly used the white house, they at least tried to hide it. now trump's political use of office is part of the show. "tin did but openly and more. joining me is michael dean, author of the new book "authoritarian nightmare, trump and his followers." i am eager to hear your thoughts on the use of the white house last night by donald trump. >> joy, it was awful. first of all, congratulations on the new show. >> thank you. >> i will join that parade. what i witnessed last night really was a travesty to a great historical site. what he'd done is just trash the white house politically, so i was very distressed. i tweeted about it.

it was clearly a violation of the hatch act, not for the president who isn't covered by that law but by everybody on his administration who helped put that thing together that works as part of the executive branch. they're all hatch act violators. >> you know, ivanka trump who works for the white house. there were all those cabinet members sitting in front. everyone violated the hatch act last night. and there is a daily beast story last night that the aids laugh about the hatch act. think they it's hilarious. what do you make of their complete -- they just dismiss laws as a joke that they don't have to go along with. >> well, they've gotten away with it, joy, and that's one of the reasons they don't have any respect for it. the republicans in the senate letting them have all the leash they want, do whatever they want. and the temperature general

himself is not about to bring up short on anything. so this is sort of an unrestricted presidency. that's part of my trouble with it. that's part of the reason i have started writing about it, because it's deeply troubling and what could happen if this man gets re-elected. >> and i definitely want to -- tell me more about the book because you wrote a book called "conservatives without conscious." it is something you wrote that i read and still sticks with me. tell me what you are writing about now and what you fear, i guess, when it comes to the trumps. >> joy, "conservatives without consciousness" was the first time i looked at how authoritarians had moved into the ranks of the republican party. what i noticed during the primary, that nobody was paying any attention to really trump's authoritarianism and particularly that of his followers.

you can't be a very effective authoritarian or demagogue if you don't have a lot of followers. well, he's got a lot of followers. and they are being ignored, who they are, why they are the way they are, why they tolerate his norm busting. it addresses it head-on because you can't defeat them if you don't understand them. and the short story of that is they're not easy to defeat. >> yeah. because they are devoted. "the washington post" reports that image of the white house with all these people crammed together with no masks on crowded in largely untested for coronavirus. i want to let you listen to jim akas ta from cnn. senior white house officials told him about the lack of social distancing. >> the senior white house official brushed off these concerns about the lack of social distancing at the president's speech tonight saying, quote, this might blow you away, everybody is going to catch this thing eventually.

>> it sounds like they are willing to catch it because they think they will get herd immunity. do you get the sense that this is in a sense the dooms cult where the people that follow donald trump are like, they're okay with catching it, they want to catch coronavirus? >> well, joy, there are some ends times people in his ranks who think this is the apocalypse and it could well be the end so they can do whatever they want and feel well by it. i don't share that. most people don't share that. and what they're doing is creating a super spreader event like this is really insanity. it shows a total lack of responsibility. hopefully voters will come out in droves and appreciate this isn't the way our country should operate. this isn't the kind of leadership they want and they're going to do something about it, send a message. >> the book is called authoritarian nightmare, trump and his followers.

i will be picking up a copty. john dean, it is so good to see you. thank you for taking time. >> thank you, joy. >> cheers. and who won the week is next. ant

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tgif, we made it to friday! and that means it is time to find out who won the week. and this week it's not even a contest. the week was clearly won by the athletes placing a much needed focus on social justice reform

and effecting change with a social shout-out to the players in the nba and the wnba. >> despite the overwhelming plea for change, there has been no action. >> i have young nephews i have had to talk about with death before they have even seen a movie. if not now, when? if not during a pandemic and countless lives being lost, if not now, when? >> i think the most difficult part is to see like people still don't care. and for this to continuously happen, i mean, it just shows just the hate in people's heart. >> this isn't just about basketball. we aren't just basketball players. you need to understand that when most of us go home, we still are

black in the sense that our families matter. we matter. and i think that's important. i think people should know that. i'm tired of telling people that. i know i matter. you know we matter. if you don't know that, you need to check that. if you have a problem saying black lives matter, you need to check your privilege. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in," 67 days until november 3rd. can the president just pretend the pandemic is over and still win re-election. >> tonight corey booker and congresswoman porter. then pro athletes draw a line as demands for social justice grow. what makes this moment different. and in the wake of right wing murderer in kenosha, a reality check of where racial violence is really