videos from portland last night shows the moment of that shooting. we want to bring you that video now. i have to warn you this video is disturbing. >> iç4

paint the scene for us and tell us what you saw. >> it became a volatile scene in downtown. it began with big rallies of trump supporters began out in the suburbs. their plan was to go around the highway and not getting into

downtown. a big chunk of these supporters peeled off and drove straight to downtown. protesters were there and confronting them and sometimes blocking vehicles and get into the shouting matches. we saw fistfight and shooting pain balls in the back of these truck and it becamek÷3ty a vola situation and,ñ÷x certainly en with something much worse. >> were you physically harm through the course of the ooe h evening. >> yeah, during a paint ball situation there, someone in the 4 unloaded and just shot a bunch ofób paint bat. i was wearing a vest and he shot at me and hit me.

someone else came through right after words shooting mace or pepper spray including myself. >> some people may think a paint ball is=9b too bad but what it feels like being shot by pain balls? >> it stings. it is not a pleasant experience for sure. >> we are looking right now at the video that you shot last night of these protesters facing off with counter demonstrators. did you get the impression of were they trying to provoke the crowd when they$uçn: peeled off 600 members of the caravan. >> i mean just the idea of gathering of big groups of trump supporters and going to downtown portland, that was a bit o of -- part of the whole scene.

when they got downtown it was a bit more just mutual clashes that were happening. some people getting out of the car and fighting with fists and some people were pushing proteseprote protesters with their vehicles, get out of the way. it is really non-stop all night. >> thank you for joining us this morning. what's the scene, is it a mess there? what does it look downtown scen around 2:00 a.m. last night. >> there were still protesters out in downtown. there were a lot of tension and fear that maybe some of the trump supporters may come back and there may be some sort of violent conflict.

when i was out in the protests, some nights uh-uh do see cars coming by and driving in some sort of menacing reaction. that was certainly a case this morning. >> we are seeing footage where you shot these vehicles driving. with that, april, i want to turn to you. i know you study this and organizing of white supremacies group. >> we know there are systematic racism in law enforcement, have you1noticed any over lap? a lot ofú! 1úmedia. mark zuckerberg came out and said they were threaten to take

the video down in kenosha. >> certainly since charlottesville we see more shares on facebook. with regards to what happened this week with kenosha, there is a facebook page called kenosha guard, that's the local militia page. that was formed at the end of may around the protests that sparked!r across the country. that page reportedhb#bx$ 400 t. the shooting earlier this week by kyle rittenhouse, he's a name across social media platform where people are celebrating him. >> people are now more are

saying free kyle rittenhouse and he did nothing wrong. >> more and more after he saw these shootings. why the shooter? we are seeing more s more social media, unfortunately, when people are errreporting that, te is a pro penpencity for this to happen. facebook did not take it down, even though it is reviewed for moderators. >> you say this is celebrated and encouraged and perpetuated? >> had you notice since this

administration of an uptake in the white supremae -- >> it was also organized online. since then a lot of the organizations kienld nd of now to popular platform like facebo facebook. facebook has moved towards private groups. we see more faith for people to organize without conference and without people able to see what's happening in realtime and report it. when people do report it as we saw this week, facebook still fails to take action. they say they are for prospeech and against violence and thael take down calls around when it is reported but that's not the case.

>> we saw at the republican national convention of fears and the black and brown people are coming for your suburbs and i have to tell you, i look at this video, i see arms and vehicles and shooting people with paint ball. they're saying the opposition should be scared. if i saw that i would be scared. >> what's the narrative that trump is trying to create work? >> tiffany, i think that's absolutely right. to put this in context of portland, this is a city that has 6% to 8% population. when you look at these protests and just a matter of numbers, they're overwhelmingly majority white. it is why the president in portland came out and said look some of these protesters are losing the message of equity and e faulty and going in in a

different direction. the second thing is i know trump wants to make seattle and portland and chicago, sort of this fear mongering his fate and these looters are coming to their neighborhoods. >> portland has a history of anarchists and you have a long history of organized supremacists. people can walk around and carrying long guns. that is something when you put these two things together, and armed in the same spot, of course there is going to be escalation and violent. without that context, donald

trump already take it as his race is dog whistle. >> portland is a majority black city unlike other cities on the east coast. it has a small black population. what you are seeing here are two prudent persons that frankly are white people. that does not matter. >> trump is seeking to campaign on. >> i completely day care your point. i want to play a sound byte because donald trump is warned by this type of video. >> i am sorry, i am being told we don't have the video. >> in march 2019, he talked about the bikers and law enforcement and nurses, you have been covering it for a long time, have you noticed an uptake in violence since tumrump

administration. >> everyone a week ago there was a far right demonstration here in portportland. >> it is becoming -- and really sort of make their presence known. last week we saw one of the right wing dremonstrators bran issuing the guns there ochlt really before that, there was another event where someone fire shun gots into the air and totally see this summer developing into this theme where right now folks arehúb= coming in thomas roberts themselves into a conflict that's otherwise local protesters and local police and some kice when the

principal government was here. it added a whole new layer of the tension. >> i am nervous of what at the with all of the time. thank you, mike. we'll follow your tweets and looking for more videos. >> april, so graed to see you again. thank you all for joining me. we have got a lot more coming up. trump's in intel community refused to give briefings when it comes to the election. adam schiff is joining me next usaa is easy to work with and can save you money on auto, home and renters insurance. become a member today. get an insurance quote at usaa.com/quote usaa. what you're made of we're made for

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leaked the wrong informiation. >> he got tire of it because you want to do it in the right form because you have leakers in the city, leakers that are doing the bad thing. >> the director of national intelligence and the trump administration announced on saturday that it will no longer brief congress in person about foreign interference in our election which are 65 days away. they'll be offering written intelligence report. no chance for members to ask follow follow-questions. the leak trump referencing was from a document. pelosi released a new statement calling the news of betrayal of how the republic wants to know. chaining me now is congressman adam schiff, i am so happy you are joining me. i want to take a second toics

plain to our audience. >> i want to understand that the dni oversees 17 agencies. and the point was for them to have a centralized response. >> mr. chair, when did appearing in congress becomes optional. >> there is a legal operation in the intelligence committee to keep congress firmly and fully informed. they can't do that if i are unwilling to speak to congress. m it does not require them to be under oath and it does not answer for the american team. i think you are right to point

out that this attack by the president is false adjustabd ad ification. they donts want people to know. they are intervening through a variety of measures over and over. what they are doing is quite unique. no live rant of what the president is doing in other nations. >> the president does not want if department to know about this. >> that's as terrible disservice, it is dangerous to our elections and to the country more generally. >> i think what people want to know is how are you planning to combat this. >> i know you have subpoena power. i know the administration examed in the court. could you not have this and put this guy in handcuffs and pring

him before the committee. that's what path por faforward like? >> we'll look at the remedy of something the surgeon out. it is obviously having probmatic o problematic. >> if you descend as ser surgeon out arresting. >> look, pressure does work. it was pressure on the intelligence administration that forced them to release a statement to let the american people know that the russians were trying tovv president in his election andsh the president was doing nothing about it. >> and so that pressure worked. >> so we'll have to do

everything we can to make sure congress gets good information so we can protect our elections and so that information is shared appropriately with the american people. that information does not belong to donald trump or the intelligence agencies. it delong to the american people and they have the right to know. >> i know this may seem extreme. i feel like they pull out these tricks all the time but this is not just our election, even though that's the huge and urgent issue. we still have threats from al-qaeda and russia and disinformation campaign when it come to the coronavirus. if the dni decides they're not going to reach congress, how far can reach or how wide a shadow can this cast? how concerned are you about that? >> you are thoroughly right.

>> we see this infect all areas of government. >> the committee is only the most recent. yes, they can withhold information. they can withhold information about public health issue. we already see the white house intervene to pressure the fda and other health organizations. to try to conform their testing protocol and public information to the president preferred and false narrative and when it comes to the national security of the country or our public health of the people. it is not only dangerous but it is deadly. that effort of good information has caused lives during the pandemic. the president putting out hydroxychloroquine and pressing on it for months and months saying this is a virus going

away on its own and no worser. h it is dangerous to the country and deadly to the country. the attacks on absentee battling and the false claim that nations are going to be mailing in phony ballots. there is no evidence of that. because there is no evidence, so that's why he does not want to do a intelligence briefing. >> i want to ask you about bill evanina. he was the person on election security who noted to be bipartisan. and people warned and the intel

committee that be ready when he files. >> have bill been silence and when you ask about that, i would love to know if you have been in touch with the game of eight. it is a group of members in the house who has acces classified -- investigate this and where does all of this may come in? >> well, you know, if the director of intelligence sis is saying he's not going to allow for congress anymore. i have to say some of the statements that director abinina release publicly was

meaningless. we knew that the russians were not only preferring donald trump but they are working to influence our elections. >> so yes, we'll be eye lesilen and that's the whole goal booinds this and pressure, i don't think this is coming. it is from the president. i think he made it clear that he does not want congress informed or the american people informed. >> as the speaker like to say at the end of the day, all rose to pro fortin. >> the president does not want to hear about bounty on th the -- in syria he does not want

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after the shooting of a black man. blake was shot seven times in the back by a white police officer while opening the door of his car while three of his children were sitting. he remains in the hospital today, his family says he's paralyzed from the waist down. when we say black lives matter, we are saying black families matter and black daughters matter, we are saying the crisis of race in america boils down to a willful rejection of our humanity. a rejection that justifies the shooting of jacob blake and shackling his body to a hospital bed despite the fact that he's

hospitalized. a white vigilante is arrested completely unskacunscathed. which is why his tuesday's visit with kenosha will focus on law enforcement and why he did not even bother to mention blake's name. joining me now is the lieutenant governor of wisconsin. mr. lieutenant, i am so happy you are with me today. you are uniquely position to bring some humanity to this discussion. there has been a lot of information to come out arnound the blake shooting so we'll start there. police union have come out with their account and there as been eye witnesses to dispute that

account. one thing could clear this up is body cam food ttage but there io body cam. can you explain it to our viewer s s? >> the funding decided by the city of kenosha. the body cameras were never purchased. that's the information as i understand it. you would think after all this time this is a priority of the police department and along with other things. it gives us a clear picture. i am still confused why there is not as body cam or dashcam for that matter. >> absolutely. >> i think one way to call some of these questions is to share information. we have not had a lot of information other than from the police union.

are you in touch with the wisconsin department of justice and how long do you think they'll share anything with the american public? >> i am trying to stay far away from the investigation at this time. anything that sort of give any inference it was tampered with in any way or any influence. the best idea and all of u us -- stay far away as possible. i can't say for sure what date we should be expecting the investigation to conclude but we are hoping for an investigation to bring to the community that's in need of. when i say the community, i mean the city of kenosha. and you mention bried bringing

humanity, i want people to understand you don't have to be black for the impact. black lives are being affected. this what we have to deal with. it does not matter what part of this is. you will be impacted. >> so one thing you can speak about before you were elected within the governor, you served in the wisconsin state legislatures, they are reconvening tomorrow, however, they're not required to act on any of these. is this performative or do we anticipate any change? >> i appreciate you bringing this up. i have been talking about this. the public needs to understand what's going on. the governor should do a package

of legislation for police accountability two months ago. the legislatures had not met in four months. the governor last week monday called for a special session for the legislature to be held tomorrow. the last time, they gavelled in and gavelled out which was a slap in the face for people across the stage. it is as slap in the face for people who have been i am pampay the violence. it was not abroad where the whole world is watching. i want everybody who's watching your show this morning to know that the republicans and legislatures have a chance to act, a chance to live up to what they are talking about and promote accountability.

there is no reason we can't get this done here in wisconsin. we are calling on legislatures to take it seriously. it is a shame that we have to ask them to take this seriously. that goes to the point of why people have to continuously say that black lives do matter. you should not have to beg a legislature to respond to a crisis. you should not be in this place right now and all this chaos and division if they just decided to do their job. right now they're going to see the legislation taken up this meeting full legislation or they're going to see gaveling in and gavel out and ignore the cries of the people across the country. the ban on choke hold or use a force standard that'll be aapplied across the united

states. there is a role that every level of government has to play. we need action at all levels. that means our local government has to act and there are citizens review board and police commission across the state that are independent. we don't need a president -- >> yes, another reason why those down ballots races count. don't go anywhere. i want to bring in our panel and janelle ross, senior reporter from nbc's blk. i want to start with you because you are on the ground there and trying to get information there. there are a lot of information coming out and people have a lot of questions. what information have you been able toll get from law

enforcement on the ground as it relate to the blake's shooting and the shooting of the 17-year-old kyle rittenhouse. >> reporter: i think the information remained extremely scarce. local officials have really directed most questions to the may mayor's office as opposed to the police department. other questions relating to the investigation of jacob blake's shooting. however, when you call the wisconsin department of the justice, you will be directed to a voice mail where a general statement is made available that they'll not answer any questions at this time. if you are witness to this event, you should levave your name and number. it has been released by the police department and the department of justice about the

blake shooting. that's part of the situation here and expanding set of crisis to the jacob blake's shooting happened almost a week ago and the two gentlemen who were shot and killed, allegedly by kyle rittenhouse, there is a lot of interest in the community in terms of what's been done. secondarily, what's happening with quentin house. i have several people raise the question why -- he seems to have been working in concert with others. many of you don't believe that other types of crimes where people have stayed in the car with someone later committed the crime or something charged along with them. >> answers extremely different

cull to come by. >> before i get to brittany janelle, i want to stick with you, i am confused of what's happening with the rittenhouse kid. so he's back in illinois. do you have any idea of what's the latest there? >> the latest is that on friday rittenhouse had a hearing that was delayed. like everything, the process for rittenhouse affected by the covid crisis. that hearing was held by zoom. he remains in illinois where he lives in a jail until extra add discussion is held early next week likely then he'll remain in illinois. >> this is another area where i

think many people have a lot of questions. i think there are people who believe whether this is justified or not that under circumstances there may have been some sort of joint effort to arrest rittenhouse by officials here. however, that was not the case. he has since obtained a private attorney who has said that he's going to contest extraditions to wisconsins. whether or not if he'll be successful that's not clear but that's his plan. >> i want to turn to you brittany. are we littling to believer that this 17-year-old kid was so committed to protecting these businesses. kenosha was constant. we drove all the way to kenosha to protect these businesses ochlt. >> of course, not.

this is exactly the cycle that we continue to endure of whatever comes to the issue of blo black looiives. trayvon martin had used the sidewalk. the sidewalk as a white man twice his age and twice his size. over and over again, we see race vigilant and police officers, they are no information, they are just acting in environmental ways against black lives. they come in and fill in the story later, deciding to move around and in order to create a story that justifies actions that are not justifiable. we are listen to the wisconsin of the police union trying to do exactly that when it comes to

jacob blake. >> there were fgs that police officers had that we had no idea about and that's why they acted the way they did. this kind of fight happens over and over again. i absolutely do not believer this now is post justification for what kyle rittenhouse did. we need to be honest about him. >> should you cry? when people like donald trump and the g.o.p. have yet releasing the crime. and that was the violence of the kenosha police department. fls if we are going to end it once and for all, not simply putting all the blame on the most. >> some of his supporters are hailing him a hero and a

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in much of the democratic party it's now fashionable to

say that america is racist. that is a lie. america is not a racist country. brought up in the deep south i've seen racism up close. i know what it is. and it isn't donald trump. >> our family went from cotton to congress in one lifetime. and that's why i believe the next american century can be better than the last. that was not a "saturday night live" stretch. welcome back to "a.m. joy," i have tiffany cross. if you watched the republican national convention last week you would almost think that the republican party is the one welcoming people of color given the big display of diversity. the convention featured more than a dozen african-american speakers alone, but don't be fooled. that the party of trump has suddenly warmed to the same people trump's policies and sometimes his rhetoric directly

harms. as friend of the show elie mastall wrote the republicans invited a can a dray of professional black friends to validate donald trump and make white people feel a little less racist while still very much supporting white supremacy. also let's keep in mind that their message of inclusion was completely contradicted by the mccloskey's. you remember them. the st. louis couple who was charged with a felony when they brandished assault rifles at peaceful black lives matter protesters. now, they sounded more like the trump era republicans we have all come to know. >> what you saw happen to us so just as easily happen to any of you who are watching from quiet neighborhoods around our country. >> it seems as if the democrats no longer view the government's job as protecting honest citizens from criminals, but rather protecting cripple nas from honest citizens.

>> despite this perpetual framing of people of color as the threat to america a recent pew research poll found while trump still has very low support among voters of color the latinx support for trump is at 35%. 7 points above the 28% he got in 2016. so can the gop strategy be effective? joining me now to talk about it is erin haines editor at large for the 19th and msnbc contributor. dr. jason johnson political contributor for the gree owe and msnbc and host of the podcast strange days and my pal kurt bardella. thank you, guys, for joining me. jason, i'm going to start with you first. i mean, i watched the republican convention and seeing the slue

of black speakers that they had it really did look like a modern day minstrel show to me. what did you make of it? >> there was a tremendous amount of diversity from the sunken place during the rnc. we have to remember how important it is that they found that slue of black folks. this is the thing, stiff knee, you were very correct when you put this out at the beginning, none of these people have any credibility with the black community, none of these people can erase the stain of of the president's own racist rhetoric. it wasn't just the mccloskey's they said nothing about rittenhouse, nothing about white nationalists and terrorists and you had somebody up there trying to explain the president saying there were terrible people on both sides. none of what was done at the republican national committee was actually for black people, it was for racist white people who are already going to vote for them and give them a feeling they are slightly less racist. >> so i want to turn to you, ferna

fernand, on this one because the thing that strikes me is the growing support in the latinx community. as a democratic pollster i'm keenly interested in your perspective on this. i've often said polling minority communities is sometimes its own science because you will get a different response depending on who is asking the questions. what do you make of this increased latinx support particularly being based in a battle ground state like florida? >> well, tiffany, i think it speaks to what we know is a concerted effort by the trump campaign to try and move the numbers on the margins, especially in states like florida where they know that they can possibly carry those 29 electoral votes by just shifting the hispanic vote there by a mere 3 or 4 or 5 percentage points. but, you know, one of the things i think it's important to acknowledge as well, this election really is not a question of whether or not, tiffany, people of color are going to turn out or support donald trump, as the polling

that you indicated in the graphic earlier made very clear, we have almost 90% of black support -- black voters that are going to support the democratic ticket, two-thirds of stan and latino voters also as well. we need to acknowledge what this election really is, it's about the white voter electorate and the understanding and the recognition that this election is not really a choice about republicans versus democrats, it's not even a choice really about joe biden versus donald trump. as we saw so clearly in the conventions last week, the difference between the democratic convention and the republican convention, which i think would have made lenny ricin stall proud with the gas lighting we saw on display, this is a choice between good and evil and the question is will white voters in this country, especially those white male voters which is the only group over the last 30 years has consistently voted in majority for republicans, will they look

in the mirror and choose the path of white supremacy, the path of racism? i have to tell you i'm concerned because in the first slue of post-convention polls we've seen, they say that the election is actually tightening and that joe biden's double digit lead has now become a single digit lead and in politics the trend is everything. so i think we need to think about it in those terms, will white voters, no the voters of color, will white voters do what is right to save this nation and the soul of this nation by voting against trumpism and the evil of trumpism. >> i think that's the perfect time to bring in my buddy, kurt barr bardella with the lincoln project -- that's my good friend l latasha brown. i want to get first to kurt. i want to talk to you because i

think the lincoln project is laser focused on white voters. they focus on republican voters who are overwhelmingly white. will white voters be swayed by some of the ads the lincoln project has put out there and not vote against their own interest and vote for somebody who is clearly perpetuating systems of white supremacy? >> i'd like to think so. that's why we're doing what we're doing tiffany. i think one of the things to remember here, too, is not to overreact to polls right after these moments that we just had with the conventions because the reality is most people haven't fully checked in yet, we have seen traditionally that happens after labor day. everyone is expected to get bump from their respective sides after a convention, after four nights of exposure like what we've seen over the last two weeks, but the reality is in this country every single person is grappling with things lik the coronavirus and the economy. people are still worried about sending their kids to school. they're still worried about whether they can get a job, keep

their job and make a living with a i think to pay their bills. when you look at what the lincoln project has been doing it's a constant reminder for white voters, disaffected republicans, independent, suburban white people that there is a horrible track record from donald trump. donald trump is no longer a theory, it's not, well, maybe we will vote for this guy because who knows what will happen, he can't be worse than what we had before. that was the attitude of so many people who voted for him over hillary clinton in 2016, that history is gone. we know what a donald trump presidency looks like, we know what kind of carnage that reeks on the american people. we know what 170,000 plus lives lost looks like now and how every single person this this country is touched by that loss of life and yet there is no plan forward. it's not getting any better from the convention we saw from donald trump you wouldn't even know that coronavirus was still a pandemic ravaging communities every day. they act like that it's done, that it's mission accomplished and they've solved it, but that's so detached from the working reality people are

facing every day. that's why in all these polls it's joe biden who has higher trust parameters, joe biden who people trust to deal with the coronavirus more and donald trump's approval rating we saw in a new poll by abc news his approval rating can't get above 35% no matter what he does. the convention wasn't about expanding the tent, wasn't about getting more black people to vote for him, it was about trying to assuage the guilt of white people to make it palatable to vote for a racist and i don't think that will work. >> i've often said, kurt, you are one of the smartest analysts on television and obviously one of the most curious as that beautiful book you have sitting behind you, my trend. thank you. appreciate that. i want to turn to you, erin. >> this is why i'm your friend and not a nemesis like jason johnson. >> exactly. exactly. i will drag jason later on twitter. i want to turn to you, erin, because you actually have news to share about the outreach from

the biden campaign to communities of color. >> yeah, tiffany, it's sunday, which means that the mtv vma awards are tonight and the biden campaign has a 60 second ad they will debut during the vmas. >> there have been several protests in tallahassee just like there have been protests across the country. these protests are not just about police brutality anymore, they are about addressing systemic racism and i think electing joe biden is essential to adding these issues and getting meaningful change. black lives should more than just matter. we should have the same acts to live our every day lives just as much as anyone else has. my dad took me to my first protest when i was 12 years old. it opened my eyes into what activism looks like, what democracy should look like. i felt it was my obligation as a

student, as a leader, as a black woman to be involved in these protests. we have to continue the activism, we have to continue protesting. we also have to go out and vote. >> wow. so that's my first time seeing the ad. thank you for debuting it here with us, erin. that was alan williams, former state legislator in the state of florida featured prominently in that ad. erin, how impactful do you think these types of political ads will be with the american body politic given the state of what's happening in the country today? >> you know, i think that this ad is definitely intentional and signals a few things, one, that the biden campaign understands that they are going to need to shore up young voters who tend to lean democratic, but who don't always turn out in the numbers that older voters tend to turn out in and this is really kind of the biggest push headed into the general election that the biden campaign has made for young voters thus far, but it's certainly kind of in line with a pattern that we've seen recently, you saw, for example,

steph curry and his family in the dnc convention lineup talking about the importance of voting and their support for joe biden. we saw joe biden having a conversation with cardi b. that went viral earlier this month. this is, you know, definitely a key demographic that he and senator harris are planning to reach out to. it will be interesting to see kind of what additional surrogates they roll out to galvanize young voters who tend to kind of tune in the closer that we get to election. we've seen polling that suggests that young voters are very enthusiastic and interested in this election, that they are looking to maybe turn their protest activity of this summer into political action but they are also unsure about how they can do that fully and safely in the middle of a pandemic. so voter education is going to be a key piece of this as well and i think you will probably see the campaign doing that. but galvanizing this demographic with an election that as others have mentioned will likely be

won on the margins is going to be key to the coalition that joe biden and kamala harris are going to need for victory in november. >> coalition building, that's key. all right. finally we get to latasha brown, the founder of black voters matter is now officially with us. i want to ask you because watching some of these black people speak and i will include nikki haley in this, the former republican governor of south carolina who says, you know, the country is not racist and in the next breath talks about how her parents experienced discrimination in america. it's like do they not even hear what they're saying. how do you think that this will play out with black voters? i just want to make the point that the people who speak here are black faces not black voices. these are black faces who the maga crowd is comfortable with, not black voices who are steeped in the community in any kind of way. >> absolutely. you know, when you look at what trump has done -- what the trump party i would say, that it is a

classic southern strategy revisited. this is the southern strategy play by play. even when you go back to nixon and goldwater there was always, quote, a token person of color or black person to say, oh, look how well the republican party has done for me. right? and so that's one in terms of disconnecting from collective how trump and his policies have impacted the collective. when we see that 80% of black small businesses did not get any support and the ppe and the stimulus package, when it is projected that 50% of black businesses will actually go under in this space, when you look at the raw numbers he has not done well for the black community at all. there has always been an attempt to divide and conquer. be voices not rooted in community and not represented to the truth of what has happened in our community. what i find in this space when we are talking about the southern strategy, being a

daughter and native of alabama i can tell you the dog whistles how do you fight that and beat that? one, i think we have to be focused and i think the biden/harris campaigning leaning into the possibility of not just can we sway white voters but solidifying their support with voters of black color so there is a high performance of voters we know will align with the strategy and their agenda. the second thing is we have to know the dog whistles when we hear the dog whistles. instead of gig time to one or two people who are distractions we have to go into what is the agenda that we want to move forward. those are some of the ways i think we can address what we saw with the rnc. it was all performance. >> i asked the director of the diversity coalition the specifics about their outreach, bruce lavelle right here on this show, and we were never able to get any real answers from him unfortunately. dr. johnson, because you are in for an epic dragging later on twitter i will turn back to you and ask you what is the heel with this trickery?

lynn patton who is the trump party planner turned hud official tricked these black people, black tenants in the new york housing authority into appearing in this video and of course they come out later and say, well, with err not trump supporters. we had no idea we were going to do in this video. it's not necessarily a real outreach to black voters but a part of their operation is very much encouraging black people to stay home and not vote. how concerned are you that that strategy might depress some of the numbers across the country given covid-19 and the fallout, given the state of the economy, people feel like it doesn't matter who is in office my life has stayed the same. what do you say about that. >> testify, yeah, that is a concern of mine. here is the thing, it's not just the people from housing it's the people who have the naturalization ceremony, it's ann dorn speaking for her husband who was not a trump supporter. they couldn't find enough black people to like trump so they had to trick black people into

pretending like they like trump and later they were exposed. this was not a convention to bring people to the republican party. it was something they had to do because they had four nights of air time to fulfill. all trump and the republicans are doing is trying to consolidate power. they do not care about your vote. they want to make sure as few black, brown, white people they don't like -- they just sued two counties in iowa to stop them from sending absentee ballots. iowa. they don't even want white people to vote. it's not good and evil it's between fascism and a dictatorship and the remnants of democracy we still have. if we do not vote donald trump out. if black people and white people don't vote we don't have another free election for another 20 years. that is not hyperbole. that's what we have to remember. no matter what he tries to do we still have to vote like our lives depend on it because this time they do. >> that's a really good point

you made. it's not even just about depressing voters of color outreach it's depressing the white vote. thank you for making that point. >> yes. >> i think we should finish in conversation over brunch and am i mimosas because now we are out of time. thaw erin haste, dr. jason johnson, latasha brown, fernand. coming up, housing discrimination, something we didn't hear a lot about. former hud secretary julian castro joins me next to discuss. castro joins me next to discuss. takes care of yourself. so when it comes to screening for colon cancer, don't wait. because when caught early, it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers even in early stages. tell me more. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your prescriber if cologuard is right for you. i'm on it.

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as unprecedented numbers of americans face not being able to make their rent and mortgage payments, a new report from "the new york times" shows that the color of your skin continues to affect the value of your home. one couple in florida actually saw their appraisal increase by 40% after they removed any

evidence that a black woman lived there. this is more than 50 years after the fair housing act made such discrimination illegal. joining me now is former secretary of housing and urban development during the obama administration, julian castro. there secretary, i'm so happy to have you with me this morning. not only did you certain as secretary of hud but i would argue you ran one of the wokeest campaigns during the primary during last election cycle and this is something you have spoken specifically to when you rolled out your policy plans during the primary. i want to get right into it. with red lining, this is something that continues to plague the country today, red lining for those who don't know is the practice of basically depressing an eliminating the path to home ownership for black and brown communities but especially black people, by assigning them as risky investment. how do we combat this issue that has rippled through time and still appears to be having an adverse impact on home ownership

in black and brown communities? >> it's great to be with you, tiffany. you're right, it absolutely still impacts people today, a lot of folks they think, oh -- they hear red lining they think that was 1930s, '40s, '50s didn't we get rid of that, we had the fair housing act? and the answer is that those discriminatory practices still very much impact the ability of people of color and especially black americans in terms of their quality of life, their housing opportunity, job opportunity, educational opportunity. just the other day "the new york times" had a fascinating article about the link between what happened with red lining, these neighbors that were singled out because they were largely black and denied access to credit for mortgages and so forth and the fact that less trees were put in those neighborhoods, less investment was made and it's a lot hotter between 5 and 15 degrees hotter now and that's causing health issues for people. what we found at hud a few years

ago was that if you are african-american in this country you're still about 10% to 12% more likely to encounter discrimination when you go looking for a house or an apartment. what do we do about that? well, in 2015 in the obama administration we actually put forward a ground breaking rule, part of unfinished business of the fair housing act, called affirmatively [ inaudible ] -- fair housing. [ inaudible ] -- that was receiving federal taxpayer dollars through hud s look, you have to get serious, you have to put forward a serious plan about how you're going to make sure there's fair housing opportunity in your jurisdiction in the years to come. that was one of the first things that the trump administration put on ice and now has gotten rid of during their tenure and the tenure of dr. carson as hud secretary because this administration doesn't believe in fair housing. they're perfectly fine seeing the patterns of segregation continue. we wanted to make sure that

everybody has good housing opportunity. they want to take us backward and joe biden wants to take us forward. >> yeah, i think it's interesting that a part of the trump campaign strategy actually impacts housing because he's saying, hey, all you folks in the suburbs, essentially he's saying the black and brown people are coming for you. i don't think he understands that many people of color live in the suburbs. hopefully he's watching today and will learn something. day and will learn something let me ask you, for folks out there trying to buy a house now or trying to refinance now, is there anythingow as an individu that these people can do to make sure that they are treated fairly in the housing market? >> absolutely. that article you mentioned about the couple that got a higher appraisal after they, quote unquote, whitewashed their home, to remove artwork, books that dealt with black b culture and history, that is sad. it is tragic. that i should not happen. you should not have to do that to get fair opportunity in this

country. what can you do? in most local communities, there are actually fair housing organizations that you can work with if you have a concern or a complaint to launch. they actuallymp go and investige these things. the other thing is, you know, i think to ask questions and be up front about your concerns. if you go to an apartment complex or if you see a realtor, they are obligated to follow those fair housing laws. and if theyng know that you kno your rights, then they are more likely, i think, to treat you equally. >> what about the people now, while you have you, the people who are experiencing eviction, the peopleex who have no place go, they can't make their mortgage payments or the moratorium on evictions has ic ended? any advice forha them? how can they survive all the fallout from the global pandemic as you g have in newly emerging

homeless population happening in the country? >> this is a crisis. by one estimate, up to 30 million americans are facing the prospectng of eviction through october because these eviction moratoriums have run out because the heroes act was passed by congress by the house of representatives but nothing has been done in the senate.be they went on their break until after labor day. so the good news for some is that in some states and in some cities, they have gone and invested their own dollars. in my hometown i'm in of san antonio, they put $25 million into a fund to help people be able to stay in their homes. communities across the country have also done this. that a doesn't cover everybody. what we need is immediate congressional action toat exten thoseo eviction -- that evicti moratorium and put in direct rental p assistance that address the needs of tenant and

landlord. i have to ask y >> you have endorsed joe biden. if he wins,av would you be willg to go back into the administration and serve as hud secretary again? if not, are there name u.s. wou -- make its you would recommend? >> there are folks i would recommend. i would probably do that firstly. there are a lot of great folks that i think -- >> such as? >> would be a tremendous -- i would love to recommend it to his campaign first or the transition team. >> we will pass it along. >> you have a number of great mayors doing fantastic work. you have some governors even. you have advocates out there who understand these issues and who i think also understand something we have to do, which is connect the dots of policy very well. it's not only about housing. it's about education. it's about fighting climate change. it's about job opportunities. combining those, working together as a cabinet, i think

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a close friend of the nba who appeared in iconic movies such as "42" and "black panth panther." please join us in observing a moment of silence in honor of cliff robinson, luke olson and chadwick boseman. >> the nba playoffs resumed with a moment of silence for three cultural giants who passed away within a span of 48 hours. the tribute follows the most impactful cultural moment in american sports ever when professional players refused to play scheduled games in protest of the police shooting of jacob blake and other discrimination. joining me now, jamil hill and

bomani jones. i am so glad that you two are back with me today to talk about all this and more. jamil, i will start with you. i'm curious your thoughts about the nba's response to the players essentially striking and their response was, we will turn our arenas into voting locations. what impact do you think that will have on the morale of players having this organization they work for listen to them and at least attempt to make some sort of reconciliation with the racial reckoning we are seeing in the country? >> first of all, always a pleasure to join you. i think the impact that it will have is that it will feel like the play -- make the players feel as if they are getting something accomplished. when i look back over the last week and how we arrived at the moment where they essentially engineered a mass demonstration across all of sports, you could hear in their voices and

certainly in their commentary from players on the bucks team, the origin point, as well as other teams, they are tired. they are living in a bubble. they went through painstaking care to make sure the messaging during the playoffs remained about voter suppression, remained about issues of race in this country. you see the court is painted black lives matter. they wanted to use their platform to make sure that these issues remain central. so in many ways to have their collective hearts broken by another video of a black man being murdered by the police, i think it all gave them such a high level of frustration and anger. and a lot of the emotions that everybody in black america was feeling collectively at the same time. so when they decided to strike or a work stoppage, it was just the result of that frustration. i think they decided to play on in large part because they knew

or felt as if their platform was much more useful if they play to continue these issues and put their owners in a place of responsibility where they were part of the solutions as well. they are in a tough spot. they are playing and entertaining america and at the same time experiencing a lot of trauma that is inflicted upon black people. it is not fair that the sports world or nba players, black players are put in this position of having to solve some systemic problems that have losted f las hupds s hundreds of years. they are willing to contribute. >> the president's son-in-law suggests that these players are financially fit so they are fortunate to be able to protest.

but they are still human beings, seeing people who look like them slain in the street. juxtapose for me, if you will, the response from the nba and the nfl. i just want to tell our viewers, if you have not picked up "vanity fair," please do. there's an amazing piece in there talking about college football players. if you can, talk to me about why the nba response is different from the nfl response. >> the big part is the nba has to listen to its players in the way the nfl does not. the nfl operates on a different way. guys are happy to be in the nfl. it's more tenuous -- the nba has come to an understanding that there's a level of partnership they have to have with players but their superstars in specific. by that measure, players have more leverage to force the issue as they have and to get the league to jump on board with

some of the causes that they are on. the question that i think we have to ask about the nba and for the players is, just how far are you trying to go with this and on what timetable? i think that's an important question to ask. it is very good the arenas have decided they are going to be used as voting sites. the question that immediates to be asked is why haven't you done this already? the owners can't be silent people involved where the players ask for something and the owners do it and we don't hear from them. a lot of cases the things the players are fighting against are things the owners actively contribute to making happen. you have to have some level of conversation about this with them if this is going to be significant. you will not get the owners do very much if they don't own the fact that the role they play in this and why they might want to change down the line, is it just for the leave ranverage the pla

have. we can't just put this all on the players to push the owners and the owners do stuff quietly. i would love to know more from them. why don't you want to make it easy for people to vote? see what happens when they answer those questions. >> i love that. i echo your sentiment. the show you host, i think it's great. i love to hear you -- your thoughts and take on these things. the interview with lebron james was inspiring. it was a great interview. you have a lot of thoughts on the nfl. i remember hearing it thinking i want her take on this. when roger goodell said perhaps they should have listened to kaepernick earlier. what changed? at that time that he knelt, we had on and on and on. what's with the new revelation where we have been an alarm

clock forever but now he decided to get halfway woke two seconds ago? >> nothing changed. the only thing that changed really was public opinion. it became much more comfortable to be on the side of right. look, we have seen these moments throughout history where a lot of times people don't come to the side of right after they see everybody else also jumping aboard. when roger goodell said that, it was hard for me to take it seriously, to be honest, because for one, we have to realize the relationship. roger goodell is the mouthpiece of the nfl. he works for the owners. you may hear him saying we should have listened to colin kaepernick. we haven't heard a lot from nfl owners individually. we don't know where they stand. something tells me a lot of them don't necessarily share roger goodell's sentiments. we heard steven jones, the son of jerry jones, when he was asked about how he felt about

what roger goodell said, he decided not to comment. that should tell you everything. for as much as roger goodell may realize there's some level of equity to be gained by saying black lives matter, by appearing that they are on the right side of the movement, i don't think the nfl owners feel the same way as all. that's the part that's going to be really interesting when football starts back up is when players start demonstrating, when they start taking the knee or they start being a lot more vocal as they are in this moment, shutting down practices, coming before the media talking about these issues, when they start doing that in season as games are played, that's when we will see how much the nfl means it when they say black lives matter. because so far for what they have shown at the very least is that black voices don't matter to them at all. i'm curious to see how this plays out in the fall. >> yeah. if every black player took a knee, i bet you games would continue. thank you both. i will watch a few more 30 for

30 and the three of us will talk sports specifically. i will be up to speed by then, i promise. thank you both for joining me. a.

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>> another self-proclaimed christian trump ally, jerry falwell junior was forced to resign as president of liberty university when his former pool attendant alleged he had a long sexual affair with falwell's wife and that falwell enjoyed watching. falwell and his wife have denied the allegations. joining me now bishop william barber, co-chairman of the poor people's campaign and author of "we are called to be a movement" and reverent jimobama's faith a. bishop barber, i have to start

with you. the birthday man of the hour. happy birthday. i'm honored you joined me for your birthday. i'm very happy to have you with me on a very special day. you are someone that is indisputably, i would call, an evangelical. you are the pastor of greenleaf gr christian church. you are actively reaching out to poor people. in your view, are people like jerry falwell and some of the people we see at trump rallies calling out these christian epithets, are they evangelicals? >> not even in name only. in fact, i'm actually encouraged to see jim and so many pastors who are standing together and recognizing how dangerous christian nationalism is. and how dangerous silence is. not only to the anything but na

church. the claims at the rnc cannot go unchallenged. dr. king was right. prophetic christianity must be a and with police murdering and lynching and killing black people brazenly and openly, just sit with that for a moment. then on top of that, 180,000 people needlessly dead and 140 million people poor and low wealth, many hurting and dying during this crisis and 100,000 people, excuse me, thousands of people dying from not being insured and 40 million facing eviction. our endorsement has to be more than just anti trump. more than just let's return to civility and good government. we must endorse a way forward as a headlight that declares we need transformative change and every nation need to hear this.

to those who legislate evil and rob the poor of their rights, which is why the poor people's campaign, we have a clear moral agenda we must endorse and push all candidates to endorse. >> reverend wallace, not everybody believes in a high being, not everybody goes to church every sunday, but for those who do, you have to wonderf, you have to acknowledg god is not a god of confusion. he's not going to tell people of the same faith one thing and others another. so as people declare themselves pro-life, what are your thoughts who have just taken the name evangelical for themselves so endorse something that's not really pro-life at all? >> well, thank you, tiffany, and happy birthday, brother. >> thank you. >> we're trying to change something very big in this election. we're trying to change what the religious issues are.

and as you just showed so well, people like jerry falwell and others have tried to control what the religious issues are for decades. in the election. we're trying to say no, that racism. racism is a religious issue in this election. racism is central religiously. as you were saying, let's go to the bible. the foundation, the foundation of politics for people of faith is the first book of the bible. genesis 1, versus 26, where it says god made every human being in god's image and likeness. no exceptions. so the kind of violence that my brother was talking about, the idea of white supremacy and racism being fueled is an offense to the image of god. it's theological.

isn't just political. and how do we in fact understand the kind of violence we've seen if throwing away the image of god? that's where we start. so for white christians, i'm a white christian, so i want to say when the phrase white christian, when the most important word in that phrase is not christian, but white. we have a problem. when the adjective cancels the noun, we have a problem. so we have to show that that isn't the case. let's talk about when you fuel racism and bigotry and hate and fear and violence, which in fact, this white house is doing, that is contrary to the way of christ. this isn't liberal democratic, left, right, and this election isn't just electoral. this is confessional. we'll all be in that booth under god and i'm saying to fuel and

use and campaign on racism is contrary. the teachings of jesus christ. so i want to confess christ in that voting booth and i will. >> have you endorsed in this campaign yet? >> well, i want to say this is an election unlike any other in my lifetime. swrurner says a famous bumper sticker, god is not a republican or democrat, i still believe that, but this election is different and because joe biden has said he wants to make racism a religious issue in this campaign. and he's doing that. i agree with my brothethis is a going forward. this is about a whole different direction. turning around from america's original sin, so i am going to be supporting joe biden and out there and campaign and focusing on the election full time to make mace racism a religious

issue in this election. that's why i'm supporting joe, a good and decent man, man of faith, but it's because he's willing to make racism a religious issue and we're going to turn that around in this election. >> very quickly, out of time, but quick ly, ten seconds left. >> okay, well i think what the issue is if we endorse and say that systemic racism or systemic poverty is sin or war economy that takes from people is sin, moral racial nationalism is sin, then it can be clear who you endorse because you look at policies and that's what we are say ng the poor people's campaign. the people of faith must be the headlight and not the taillight and challenge the lies, where ever the lies, and we must move forward. >> thank you so much and happy birthday, reverend barber. that's our show for today, but

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. hey there, good day. 9 welcome to weekends with alex whit. clashes between protestors in portland. one person shot and killed. now questions about whether the two are connected. the late e on that investigation ahead. also new outrage in washington as the trump administration scales back intelligence briefingings aimed at protecting your vote. and nba players back on the court after staging an historic walkout. what's about to change with 65 days to go before election day. we begin with breaking news and new details of three hours of chaos on the streets of portland, oregon as trump supporters squared off last night with