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good day, everyone, from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome to weekends with alex witt. we'll get you up to date as we star with breaking news from portland, oregon. we're awaiting a news conference from the mayor and the police chief in the next couple of hours. police have confirmed details of three hours of chaos on the streets as trump supporters squared off with counter-protests, ending with a deadly shooting. police confirmed hundreds of vehicles formed a pro-trump caravan and drove into downtown starting around 5:30 p.m. portland time. police responded to fights, disturbances, collisions, in fact, involving members of that caravan and pedestrians, but they say they were not able to get to all of the incidents because they were spread ought around the city. the bulk left downtown around 8:30 portland time and then 15 minutes later officers responded

to shots fired. shooting was caught on video. you may find this video and audio disturbing. [ sound of gunfire ] >> a washington post reporter told me just this last hour, not all of the protesters had dispersed by that time. >> there were definitely some stragglers and you saw the caravan had grown so big, and there were semis, i don't think they came into the city. but there were so many cars that were part of this group that certainly you had people sporadically spread out within the city. >> police say they arrived within one minute and they found a small group gathered around a man on the street. that victim died. police have not yet made an official connection between protests and the murder. let's go to my colleague erin mclaughlin joining me now. what more do we know about this today?

>> reporter: hey, alex, well authorities are calling it a homicide investigation. the shooting happened at 8:46 p.m. saturday evening. we were speaking to a citizen journalist by the name of justin dunlap who was there at the time of the shooting. he said he was arriving at the scene because he heard there war some pro-trump protesters in the area. when he arrived, the situation was calm. he was actually planning to go in another direction whether all of a sudden he said he heard yelling, gunfire and saw mace go off and then he saw the victim turn in the other direction, take a few steps and then drop to the ground. he said he saw two individuals running in the other direction away from the scene. he said he then was overcome by mace. i couldn't see any any more. but shortly thereafter authorities did arrive. the victim was pronounced dead at the scene, yet to be identified. this followed with a tumultuous

day with a pro-trump vehicle rally that drove through the city. you could see trump supporters on social media firing off mace and paint balls. clashes didden shoe between protesters and counter protesters. authorities have yet to make a direct connection, suggest to the ongoing investigation, whether there is connection between that protest and exactly what happened in the evening. trump administration officials, rather, are speaking out, saying that when it comes to the situation in portland, overall all options are on the table. take a listen. >> after 94 days, perhaps now we're going to act because someone was shot last night. you want to talk about donald trump's america, most of donald trump's america is peaceful. it is a democrat-led city in portland that we're talking about this morning who just

yesterday denied help once again from the federal government. >> i believe all options continue to be on the table, specifically as we talk about portland. what we've seen in wisconsin, minnesota and other places is, those governors stepping up, calling in the national guard, the state national guard and in many instances in wisconsin we're sending in department of justice law enforcement officers as well. so whether we talk about portland, they continue to refuse any type of federal assistance to bring that violent activity going on for almost 90 days now, a little over 90 days, to a close. >> reporter: now, with respect to the shooting last night, authorities are again urging everyone to avoid drawing any sort of conclusions saying that they are still in the nascent stages of investigation, alex. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you so much. we'll hear from the mayor of portland in two hours from now. let's go to jj claver.

give me your information from the police videos we've seen so far. how does this add up for us? >> obviously, the risk is going to increase when you have opposing groups who maybe protesting or organizing and they're going to come in contact and that is what we saw in portland last night. the vast majority of these protests in portland over these 90 or so days have been peaceful, relatively small, relatively contained in a small area of the city. and obviously as events unfold and they start to increase and the protests get larger, bringing in an opposing group at the same time is going to present real challenges to law enforcement and a real safety problem. >> so jj, the fact that police have not made that connection between the pro-trump caravan and the counter protests and this murder. what do they have to look for

before they rule out any kind of connection. how would you go about investigating this? >> well, obviously they haven't identified or said they know who the shooter is. so we don't know publicly who the shooter is. that is going a long way to making any kind of connection between an organized group or someone who was there protesting or participating in a rally. so, i mean, that is a key piece of this. who was the shooter. i think we have an idea at this point, they've said publicly they haven't identified the victim by name but they were part of the pro-trump rally and it took place after the caravan passed through the city, after accounts with conflict between the two groups occurred. but knowing who the shooter is, is a big piece of that. >> so here is a brutal question. more and more we're seeing armed groups, militia types, showing up in cities with active black lives matter protests.

given the proliferation of guns, jj, is it inevitable that civilians will shoot civilians. the tenure of this country, right now the way people have pent up frustrations for any number of reasons. you could put covid-19 at the root of all it if you want to, let alone the political situation, do you have to expect that this kind of violence is going to happen and instant somebody could make a bad decision? >> i think that is a real risk. i mean, many of the militia groups and people who are armed are not well trained, they don't have experience in dealing with these type of situations like trained law enforcement officers would, and it is not so that i that law enforcement officers are acting perfectly either. but introducing more and more guns to these situations is going to introduce more and more risk and i think, yes, you're right on when you say, is this a risk, did this pose a threat?

and obviously the militia groups, every group has a right to gather and assemble and they have constitutionally protected rights to make their opinions known publicly. and law enforcement has to support that. now that being said, obviously any act of violence on either side of these protests can't be tolerated and it has to be addressed. but the introduction of more and more weapons and guns to these situations is increasing risk and unfortunately i think we're going to see if these things continue. >> and gun sales are up, we should say. i do want to put up a throwback. a 2017 article in the new yorker after the deadly protests in charlottesville, virginia. the headline, is america headed for a new kind of civil war? three years later, jj, in fact almost to the day, in fact, do you have an answer for that? >> well, i don't know if there is an answer to that. clearly we're seeing tensions are higher.

you've mentioned not just the political tensions but other factors leading to the increased tensions and polarization and that article does address the increased polarization in our country and among people of different beliefs. but, you know, if you're talking about groups or organizations planning acts of violence, and that is something that the fbi and other law enforcement agencies will get involved in investigating. i mean, the fbi is the primary agency responsible for counter-terrorism and domestic and international. so fair organizations that are espousing criminal activity and including overthrowing the government, then that is something that would be investigated under just in sedition laws. >> special agent with the fbi, jj claver, thank you so much. we're going back to kenosha, wisconsin, where the president is planning to visit this week following the shooting t murder

protests. shaquille brewster joins me once again on this sunday. shaq, i know you've been talking to people there. you did some great interviews earlier. give me a sense of the tensions and the sense of political temperature there in kenosha? >> reporter: well, you know, alex, the tensions have been really low. especially for the last few days as we've seen largely peaceful protests occur day after day. we're in the seventh consecutive days of protests and they've largely been peaceful including a massive rally yesterday with the family of mr. blake with some political leaders an all of the people again, well over a thousand people who marched peacefully through the streets. now that we have the news that vice president biden, according to "new york times," will be visiting kenosha on monday and then hear from president trump who the white house said is coming on tuesday. now there is concern about what the impact of those trips could be. listen to a little bit of my conversations earlier. >> i understand why he's doing

it. because i think it's more of a media thing that he's got to show up and show that he supports us. >> vice president biden coming in, as far as i'm concerned he could stay way because he did nothing beforehand and what is he doing now. >> it is a small town and it is not compared to portland or the other ones. but it's still a big impact and it is important for them to come out and see what is going on. and be here personally. >> don't have a problem with it. as a matter of fact, i would like to see more of biden. he's been hiding out for a while. and i'd like to see the interaction between the two of them. >> reporter: kenosha is a place that splits down the middle 50/50. president trump won it by about 250 votes in 2016. after president obama won it in 2008 and 2012. so you see that you get a little sense from that sound how things are split here. also say that today we're skpeblgts expecting to hear from the mayor of kenosha where we

saw the damage early on, on monday and tuesday when things were out of control with the burning buildings and the destruction of there. the mayor will be talking about the role of the national guard here. he'll talk about his request for federal and state and aid. and we'll expect to hear from business owners there as they try to recover and pick up the pieces. and lastly, the latest of mr. blake and his condition, he is still in the hospital. his family is saying that he's alert and communicating. his mother visited him yesterday. we expect his father to make a visit today. a family tells us it could only be one person at a time at this point. but they're still asking for the prayers not only of people here but of people all across the country. alex. >> shaquille brewster, thank you so much in kenosha. well the november election now 65 days away and two new polls are painting two different pictures. a yahoo news and u gov poll shows the lead narrowing to just six points and an ipsas poll

shows that favor ability changed after the conference. this weekend in an address to a national guard group, the vice president delivering harshness to the president without naming him. >> i promise as president i'll never put you in the middle of politics or personal vendettas and i'll never use the military as a prop or a private militia to violate the rights of citizens. >> biden is expected to travel tomorrow to condemn the violence and note the chaos unfolded under this president. the biden campaign is expected to release details shortly on that. as for the president, he's set to visit tuesday. he'll meet with law enforcement after the police shooting of jacob blake led to the week of unrest. and outrage on capitol hill after the office of the director of national intelligence told congress it will no longer hold

in-person briefings about election security. the trump administration citing leaks from congress as the reason for the unprecedented move. nbc's josh letterman is joining us from the white house once again. and i understand there is new reaction from john ratcliff. what is he saying about this. >> reporter: yesterday when this story first broke, the office of the director of national intelligence said the reason they were calling off the briefings is because they were concerned about leaks from congress in their words but there wasn't detail about what kind of leaks they were concerned about. now, today, we're finding out what the subject of the leaks they were concerned about was. and if you guesses russia, you were right. intelligence officials telling us that john radcliff was very upset about what happened a month ago after a top intelligence official briefed lawmakers about threats to the election from russia, china, as well as iran. but the headline out of that briefing after some of that

information made its way into the media was that russia was once again trying to help president trump win re-election and hurt his opponent joe biden. we know the president has been very reluctant to accept that fact. and now, today, dni radcliff in the first television interview since taking office he said that clooi china is the far greater threat. >> i don't mean to minimize russia. they are serious national security threat. but day in, day out, the threats that we face from china are significantly greater. and i think that's clear and anyone that sees intelligence knows that and anyone who says otherwise is just politicizing intelligence for their own narrative. >> reporter: and alex, when it comes to politicizing intelligence, that is a charge leveled at this white house as well. and not very infrequently. in fact, there is a different situation when it comes to the

administration than with the congress because the president has the authority to de classify anything he wants and could provide information that could help his narrative in a way that lawmakers can't without violating some of the classification issues. in fact, in the same interview today, ratcliff announced he plans to declassify more documents about the origins of the russia probe. meanwhile, lawmakers from both parties are insisting they are going to hold the administration to its responsibility to keep congress in the loop on this. adam schiff, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, said it is up to nancy pelosi to decide whether to actually subpoena officials to come testify, but that one way or another they're going to ensure that the intelligence community continues to keep congress and thereby the public up to date about threats to our democracy as we get closer to the election. >> as well they should. thank you so much. a powerful new ad out this week from a group of anti-trump republicans working to unseat

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president trump set to travel to kenosha, wisconsin, on tuesday amid the protests following the police shooting of jacob blake. well the white house saying the president will meet city law enforcement and survey some of the damage wrought by the recent violence. with me now, jeff mason, white house correspondent for roitders and daniel straus from the guardian. jeff to you, first here, do we expect the president will meet with jacob blake's family or limit his audience just to law enforcement? >> it is hard to say. i think he has clearly made the focus of law and order a campaign theme. a governing theme in the last weeks and months and will in the next 65 days going up to the election. so i think it is probably pretty clear that he will want to focus on that in kenosha. i believe that the blake family attorney said this morning that the white house had not reached

out to them. there is still time between now and tuesday. but at this point it looks like the focus will be on meeting with law enforcement and reinforcing that theme. >> so, can you give reason, political or otherwise, why the press would go to kenosha, wisconsin, and not to portland, oregon. >> yeah, wisconsin is an important swing state. and it is the news with these protests and violence and there is a reason, a governing reason to go there. but in terms of politics, wisconsin was so critical in 2016 and so critical again in 2020 is a reason to go and show himself going there and to speak both to voters there and nationally about his views on law and order. >> daniel, joe biden is also reportedly planning a visit to wisconsin and other battle ground states and after campaigning virtually for months in adherence to cdc guidelines.

what has changed to vault him out to the public eye? >> it is partially a response to the perception that he's literally or figuratively hiding in his basement. this is something that democrats and campaign officials would like to stamp out from the get-go here. and although it has taken time, i think that is the reason that we're seeing this. but also as jeff said, kenosha and wisconsin are important swing states -- important areas of the country for deciding a presidential race. and the biden campaign really wants to empathize with the blake family and really wants to show that they are aware and in touch with the complexity of what is going on there. >> hey, daniel, look at this new online poll showing biden's lead have shrunk about six points. why do you think that is and to what effect will this in-person campaign help to boost enthusiasm for biden? >> i think this is actually more

sign that voters are starting to become aware that the election is only a few months away. we know that neither biden nor trump got a significant polling bounce coming out of their conventions. so it doesn't seem that opinions really change. it is more that what happens every time before a major election. voters become more active and aware and we start to see less hard core voters who are still partisan come out and express support for one candidate or the other. >> okay. there is another poll i want to look at it. it is comparing favorability of the black lives matter movement in june then to august. it found 61% of residents for that movement in june, now only 48% approve and we should note the poll was conducted before jacob blake was shot. but what is the takeaway from the white house perspective? >> well, i haven't spoken to anyone at the white house about that. but i think that you could

dedeuce that that is positive for republicans and negative to for democrats. the fact that this law and order theme that the president has been emphasizing does seem to be gaining traction in the polls. both there in wisconsin and also in the rest of the country, suggests and i think the campaign would take that as a sign that it is something that they need to continue. and that is no doubt one reason why the president is heading to kenosha next week and why he focused on that theme so strongly both at his rally last friday night in new hampshire, and in general during the republican national convention last week. >> given that deduction, daniel, do you think supporters of black lives matter movement should be concerned? >> i think that if your number one priority is what is drawing out activists in the black lives matter protests, you're going to see more of that. at the same time, look, a lot of these protests are resulting in

violent clashes and it is something that all of the attendees are going to have to take into account going forward. not only is it a health risk because of the ongoing pandemic but they're increasingly becoming violent. that is what we saw in portland. and if you are an activist, i think that is something that you should take into account. >> i think we should take into account all that you guys both say typically on this broadcast. thank you so much daniel and jeff, good to see you. so breaking news from the u.s. open before it even starts. one player has tested positive for covid. what is being done to keep the other players safe? other players safe when you shop with wayfair, you spend less

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bottom of the hour with breaking news from the u.s. open. a player has tested positive for coronavirus. but that tournament set to kickoff tomorrow. my colleague cory coughlin is joining me from the billy jean king tennis center in new york. and what do we know to the extent that this player was

asymptomatic. how has this player interacted with other players? >> reporter: that is the big question, alex. it was a bit of a shock to get the news. one day before. because players have had to be here on site from the last 14 to four days. they are tested immediately when they arrive and tested again a couple of days later. that is why the protocols are in case in case the original case came negative. they are asymptomatic and had to withdraw from the tournament. we don't have a confirmed identity on the player or if they have had other interactions with other players. usta is doing tracing. so we expect to have an update from them later on this afternoon before the start of the tournament tomorrow. i also spokereor and medical professional, just about the complexity of holding this event because not only has a bubble like this never been attempted on this size but also this scope

with this international stage. these players coming in, listen to what they told me. >> probably the tough part, we're 90% of our guests are international. and they were seeing that the virus is spiking in the united states. and as we know, it is 50 different states, 50 different governors, and it's hard for anyone to have understood why we are having this event in new york city. and then just all of the entry requirements with federal government and new york state and the quarantine. >> as soon as they come from the airport, they check in to the hotel. they get their room key, they go testing. they go to the testing center right away. >> reporter: all right. so as we mentioned, they get test tested right away and two days litter they get tests again an every four days after that. and there is tiers to keep the players separate.

they're on tier one, support staff on tier two. we don't know of my matches canceled at this point. but we do have the tentative list of some of the high-profile players that we have been expecting for the next two weeks who are supposed to participate. obviously this list could change, so nar djokovic, serena williams, sloan stevens and sofiaken and naomi osaka and out is roger federer and rafael nadal and ashleigh barty and the number two player. all of these two change tomorrow as we get more news so we'll be watching it. it is a fluid situation. and this news coming with the back drop of those historic sports protests that have been happening this past week. we know naomi osaka had a protest previous to the u.s. open and she plans on continuing that platform during this actual tournament. we don't know what form that is going to take as well. so a lot of developments, a lot

of moving parts here. >> yeah, absolutely. and we're going to pick up on and the sports world with the nba. but this is on would would have been arthur ash day. that sunday before the tournament begins which again does begin tomorrow. and that would be obviously in honor of arthur ash, a man who was remarkable legend as a tennis player and an activist and protest for racial equality. so there you have it. thank you so much. the boston celtics and toronto raptors on the court at this hour kicking off a day of games for the nba and the wnba. both leagues resuming yesterday after games were postponed to protest the shooting of jacob blake in wisconsin as well as racial injustice around this country. players kneeling during a moment of silence at last night's nba game. but joining me right now, former nba player ethan thomas, author of "we matter, athletes and activism." i'm so glad to get into this with you. the timing is extraordinary.

what does this movement mean to you and how important is that athletes use their platforms in this way? >> it is so important. i was listening to our segment before and a lot of the people were saying that they weren't really in favor of black lives matter protests or weren't clear on what the actual issue was and i just find that so amazing right now. because there is so much going on and the issue couldn't be more clearer. so i want to ask them, especially the people who are pretty much against the police being held accountable, and the jacob blake case specifically. so if there was a dog, right and a viral video of a dog and the police holding the dog by its collar and shooting the dog seven times and the police use it as a justification that they feared that the dog may have possibly bitten them. or wasn't legally supposed to be there in the first place or even had previously bitten someone before, would that have been an

adequate excuse to justify shooting the dog seven times. just think about that. and ask yourself if a black man's life is worth more to you than a dog. and this is not a political issue. this is a human rights issue. and it is just -- it's disheartening when you hear the justification as to why somebody deserves to be shot seven times or why somebody deserved to die. and it is a recurring theme. but it is really frustrating to hear. >> yeah. i got to tell you, i'm taking in that example that you gave. it is brutal. what i want you to talk about now is the op-ed that you wrote in "guardian" the nba black players have it enough and in it you say some ask what prefusing to play basketball has to do with stopping violence but it has worked in the past.

what do you think the basketball players or athletes in general could learn from elgin baylor. >> he changed the course, protesting segregation. and that was a big thing to be able to protest because that was the law of the land. that was law and order as trump likes to say. so for him to stand up and say, no, this isn't right and he went to the person who was the ceo of the lakers at the time and i can't remember his name but he just moved from minneapolis and he convinced him to change the actual dynamic of the dealings with hotels in the future that they would have a nonsegregation clause. so elgin baylor changed dynamic and that is what the players now could do. i want the players to pressure nba ceos. i don't call them owners for obvious reasons. but to put pressure and use power at billionaires to be able to really push for actual change. for instance, james dollan in

new york, he has influence in the city of new york. he does. he's a billionaire. and he could pressure the city of new york to put pressure on the nypd to adopt some police reform. some police accountability. and if they don't, they could threaten to even withhold funds from them. and as we know, money makes the world go around. we just had here in washington, d.c. where the washington football team finally changed their name. and it is not like they changed it because dan snyder out of the kindness of his heart woke up one day and said i've been offending others but he changed it because somebody threatened his bottom line and that needs to happen. and billionaire nba ceo's have the power to push for that. so i want players to push for more. i think it is great that everybody is talking about it. i think the coalition that they just formed is a great conversation and great plans to be able to have voter reg station and everything like that.

but i want to be directly involved with holding police accountable and police reform to be on top of the agenda. >> amen to that. i want to take a look back right before the basketball boycott, doc rivers shared his very emotional thoughts on the shooting of blake. it was three profound minutes. i wish we could play all of it but he did say that his father was a police officer, he's not anti-police. let's take a listen to part of his thoughts. >> all you hear donald trump and all of them talking about fear. we're the ones getting killed. we're the ones getting shot. we're the ones that were denied to live in certain communities. we've been hung. we've been shot. and all you do is keep hearing about fear. it's -- it's amazing why we keep

loving this country, and this country does not love us back. >> gut-wrenching to listen to that once again. why does the pain of african-americans not resonate to the extent that everybody gets behind meaningful change, to your point, when you look to some people knowing that i don't know what black lives matter is all about, why is it not getting there? >> i think it is not the reality and something they have to worry about. for me, for my children, every single time something like this happens there is a conversation. i just had a conversation with my daughter and she's 12 years old and she's asking me different things of like why does it seem like the person who was shot is always the one on trial, why are they going through his history and not the history of police. so these are regular conversations that we're having. then we have to go back and have a conversation of how you have to act and engage when you engage police officers. and there is a whole rule that

you have to have as a black man or woman or child in this country when you encounter the police. and it is not the same for white people. because they don't have to have the same rule. the white people could honestly go off on the police and cuss out the police and why did you stop me and i'll have your badge. we can't say that. we better not say that. and that is a frightening thought for black parents to imagine our children reacting that way. so we have to have a whole type of conditioning. put your phone on record and then try to do everything the way that you're supposed to do. and that is the level of, you know, conformity that we have to be able to do for our children to stay safe. and that is the part why white america just they can't understand it. but it doesn't help that you have people like trump and the right who are twisting the message and making it be about something else. it is not anti-police. that has nothing to do with it. i have police in my family. holding police officers accountable is not being against them. your supposed to hold everybody accountable.

every facet of society is supposed to have some kind of rules and regulations. you can't just give everybody carte blanche to do whatever they want to do, that means you're not supporting them, you're enabling them. if you want them to function the best way society, they have to have rules. >> can i just say as a mom, i think amian is a lucky girl to have you as a dad. thank you so much. and your book is "we matter, athletes and activism." come see me again. they may be the starkest contrast between president trump and joe biden in a powerful new ad, next.

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a powerful new ad out this week from the lincoln project. a group of anti-trump republicans working to unseat the president. this one titled "decency versus trump," and underscores the tone between the president and joe biden. >> oh, man, come on. i tell you what, don't let it define you. you are smart as hell and you really are. you can do this. can i get a phone number for you and i could tell you what i used to do. it was about 25 stutters i continue to work with, but i promise, you could do that and when i say you know about bullying.

>> bullies tear others down. >> i don't know what i said. i don't remember. >> knock the crap out of them, would you. seriously. >> joining me now susan del percio and member of the lincoln women coalition. good to see you, my friend. what did you think of that ad, how effective was it? >> i think it is very powerful and shows the difference between the two men. if character matters to you, if you want to see our nation get back on track and back to normal and want to see decency returned and in an effort to reunite our country, you have to go with joe biden because donald trump is doing the opposite. >> so do you think that ad is targeting suburban women. >> i think it is targeting a lot of people. there is certainly an appeal to suburban women when you see the former vice president speaking to a child and talking about bullies. i think a lot of moms could re late to that. so in part, but i think it is speaking to a lot of republican

women and right-leaning independents who said i gave trump a shot, he just turned out to be so much worse than we thought. joe biden is a descent man. >> i do know a bunch of republicans like that, who are thinking that exact thought. you wrote a piece in nbc news that addressed the campaign outreach to women saying we the moderate republicans and right-leaning independents are now in a position to cast the most important vote for women in a hundreds years and it can't be for donald j. trump. overall how crucial are suburban women to trump's campaign and do you think what we saw at the rnc was in any way effective? >> i think it is the whole ball game. suburban women, we saw turn out in 2018 and we saw the biggest blue wave ever. and there are a lot of women in the suburbs who are finding trump policies they say they are appealing, they voted for him in 2016, but then are turned off and say we have to fix our

nation. we have to get back on track. donald trump is just about sowing division. we need to bring things together. we need normalcy and someone who could deal with the coronavirus and not just put blame on other people. we need to have our schools open. we need our economy working for everybody. women were hurt especially by the coronavirus as primary caregivers and for first line workers. so it is important. >> yeah. i think to your point, i think 55% of women who lost their jobs in the wake of this pandemic. let's take a listen to what laura trump said on fox news just this morning. >> we at the campaign are doing everything we can to remind pim, look, don't think about what this president has said or the way he delivers a message, specifically, local what he's done for this country. >> you could answer that? what has he actually done for this country and what do you make of that approach? >> well, i think it is time that

someone else, i guess they can't find anyone else without the last name trump to speak on the president's behalf. but eebl only if you're a sycophant will people speak for the president. what donald trump has done is to sewly try to tear down the very pillars of our democracy. we are surviving, the system is holding, but it can't hold for another four years. >> last week we had several dozen former staffers from mitt romney's presidential campaign, the george w. bush administration, the senate staff of john mccain and his campaign staff as well. they all signed on to an effort to elect joe biden. these are prominent republicans, working the same man they tried to defeat in 2012 and 2008. what do you make of the sheer amount of republicans breaking from the party saying we've had it, enough is enough. >> when you see the people who

signed that letter, you see people who believe in governance, alex. that is what this president has not even tried to learn. people respect and believe in the things that government could do. we disagree on how to get there but at least we're governance. and that's why they signed on. they see the damage donald trump is doing to our government as a whole. how many acting secretaries he has down. when you look down further, people may not realize or it may not be a big campaign issue, but our government is not running well. that's a reflection of donald trump. these people want government to run well. >> susan del percio, republican strategist and member of the lincoln project's women coalition. thank you so much. the fda commissioner willing to fast track a covid-19 vaccine, but how fast is too fast? but before we go to break, we want to take a moment to remember a few of the lives lost in the covid-19 pandemic. earnest ernie garcia of durango, colorado, was one of them.

he enjoyed the outdoors, running a total of 35 marathons in his lifetime. the 39-year-old worked as a psychiatric nurse. and william mcneill of montgomery, alabama, who also passed from covid-19 recently, just age 50. he was a native of vermont until his studies took him to alabama state university. they will both be missed by family and friends. real progress?

when you're affected by schizophrenia, you see it differently. it's in the small, everyday moments. and in the places, you'd never expect. a little sign of hope. the feeling of freedom. and once these little moments start adding up, that's when it feels like so much more. it feels like real progress. caplyta effectively treats adults with schizophrenia. and it's just one pill, once a day, with no titration. caplyta can cause serious side effects. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles or confusion, which can mean a life-threatening reaction or uncontrollable muscle movements

which may be permanent. dizziness upon standing, falls, and impaired judgment may occur. most common side effects include sleepiness and dry mouth. high cholesterol and weight gain may occur, as can high blood sugar which may be fatal. in clinical trials, weight, cholesterol and blood sugar changes were similar to placebo. so if you're affected by schizophrenia, have a conversation with your doctor about caplyta today. now to the coronavirus pandemic. some pretty grim news out of california today. as now the first state to surpass 700,000 cases. this as we near the flu season and face a potential second wave of coronavirus in the fall. joining me now, msnbc medical contributor dr. kavita patel, also the former health policy director for the obama administration and always a welcome guest. thanks for joining me. what is happening in my home state of california? why are the cases there continuing to rise? >> this is a troubling statistic, alex, especially

california and then also a host of other states are seeing increases. i think you have seen several things going on. number one, i think you've got varying degrees of mask mandates, still some indecision about groups gathering, and frankly, alex, what we don't know is how much of this is also from campuses, schools, universities, even if they're virtual, you see students who are coming and living in dorms kind of together, doing remote learning from the dorms. so the sources of these cases are variable, and it just tells us that california is a very big state with a lot of different populations in that state. >> yeah, 100%. the fda commissioner, stephen hahn, has said the agency is willing to fast track a coronavirus vaccine before phase three trials end. what does that exactly mean? and are you concerned about that? >> yeah. in short, yes, i am concerned. especially in light of a number of reports that have come out from this past week's

announcement from the fda about the emergency use authorization of convalescence plasma and the controversy around it. a phase three trial for vaccines is really to look at comparing healthy people who receive the vaccine and whether or not they have any side effects from the vaccine itself and trying to also see if the vaccine is mount the immune response to the coronavirus that we want to see. so it's an important marker and candidly, alex, many of us now are so skeptical about what this administration has been doing that anybody will be a fool if they don't demand to see all the data as the fda is reviewing it, to understand the basis for an approval. so yes, we're concerned. but at the same time, i think we all feel like a vaccine is on the horizon, and that should be the good news. but we need to keep this administration accountable. >> but i guess the question to you would be, if what is

manufactured and put out there is something that was fast tracked, that doesn't even get to the phase three trials, is it somebody you would take? would you give this to your family members? >> no. >> no? >> no, not without reviewing the data, and candidly, they're in phase three trials, several of the manufacturers are currently in phase three trials and had been expecting to wrap up in the next several months. if you do the timing, alex, waiting a couple months to see that complete data makes a lot of sense, unless you are trying to get this news out before an election. >> exactly. of which there's only 65 days until that. dr. kavita patel, thank you very much. >> that's going to do it for me at this hour. i'm alex witt. my colleague lindsey reiser is up next with james struveeds. he's going to talk about why u.s. troops are still part of trump's adrift military plan in syria. ♪

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