hello, everyone. i'm alicia menendez. tonight on "msnbc live," unrest from oregon to wisconsin, and the mayor of portland with a strong message for the president. plus, the dni says it's all about the leaks while some in congress say it's time to stand up to the trump administration. and could nevada be this year's michigan? why democrats should watch out for a surprise in november. we begin with stunning words from the mayor of portland where months of unrest have reached a boiling point.

>> do you seriously wonder, mr. president, why this is the first time in decades that america has seen this level of violence? it's you who have created the hate and the division. it's you who have not found a way to say the names of black people killed by police officers even as people in law enforcement have. and it's you who claimed that white supremacists are good people. your campaign of fear is as anti-democratic as anything you've done to create hate and vitreal in our beautiful country. you've tried to divide us more than any other figure in modern history and now you want me to stop the violence that you helped create. what america needs is for you to be stopped so that we can come back together as one america

while recognizing that we must demand that all people, black, brown, white, every color, from every political persuasion, pull together and hold all people accountable in stopping racism and violence and we together are peaceful again under new leadership that reflects who we really are. we, the people, of this great nation. president trump, you no peace. you bring no respect to our democracy. you, mr. president, need to do your job as the leader of this nation and i, mr. president, will do my job as the mayor of this city. and we will both be held accountable as we should. >> president trump lashed out against mayor wheeler in real time following clashes between his supporters and black lives matter protesters that left one

person dead last night. democratic presidential nominee joe biden released a statement saying in part, "shooting in the streets of a great american city is unacceptable. i condemn this violence unequivocally. i condemn violence of every kind by anyone whether on the left or the right. and i challenge donald trump to do the same." meanwhile, president trump praised the pro-trump caravan of vehicles that clashed with demonstrators, labeling them great patriots. video from the scene shows protesters hurling things like water bottles at the trump caravan while trump supporters sprayed protesters with paint balls, what appears to be pepper spray. a homicide investigation is now under way. it's unclear whether the shooting is connected to the opposing protests. with me is msnbc reporter shaquil shaquille brewster. josh letterman. and oregon public broadcast reporter, sergio amos. sergio, i want to start with you because you've been following the dynamics in portland.

walk us through what is happening right now. >> so, today's day 94 of consecutive protests against police brutality in portland. what we saw this saturday was a conservative rally, the trump caravan came through portland and you had a similar rally last saturday where there was massive brawls in the street. list were asked about the rally ahead of time, what were their plans for staffing it. they continue to maintain, you saw in the press conference, that because they staff more police officers at night for the black lives matter protests, they don't have the manpow tore kind of insert themselves in the day and separate the two groups. >> josh, here's how mayor wheeler responded to president trump's latest twitter attack seeming to reiterate his calls to send in the national guard. take a listen. >> mr. president, how can you think that a comment like that, if you're watching this, is in any way helpful? this would be a really good time for all of us to stand together, to lock arms, to denounce the violence, to make a commitment

to the kind of changes and reforms that the people in this country are demanding, and let's work together. wouldn't that be a message? donald trump and ted wheeler working together to help move this country forward. why don't we try that for a change? >> josh, talk us through the relationship between the president and mayor wheeler. what's the dynamic there? >> well, alicia, this has been a tift that's been simmering for months between president trump and mayor of portland. you'll recall several weeks ago, i guess it was a couple months ago now, there was that back and forth over the use of federal law enforcement to protect facilities in portland. the mayor there has been really resistant to the president's strong desire to send federal resources, to send the national guard in, to really try to tamp down this violence, but these tensions between the mayor and the president have really boiled over in the last few days with the president repeatedly

attacking him on twitter, calling for his resignation. earlier this morning the president even retweeted the phone number of the maymayor's office encouraging other people to call on him to resign. now we saw in this news conference the mayor going straight after the president calling him a racist, a sexist, anti-democratic, frankly, leveling some krcritiques that didn't totally relate to the immediate crisis at hand. i think there's a risk here that by escalating this back and forth between the president and the mayor that it's a distraction from the reconciliation, healing that clearly needs to take place in this community. you saw as you were just alaudialaude i alluding to the president responding on twitter while the mayor is speaking and mayor asked to respond to the president's tweets. it seems to take us farther and farther away from the really critical underlying issues that are taking place in portland. >> shaquille, while you have portland saying no to federal forces you have the national guard troops already being sent to kenosha.

what has been the impact there? >> reporter: yeah, we saw national guard troops sent and deployed starting on monday. monday, you know, the shooting of jacob blake was on sunday then monday the governor deployed 125 troops then he escalated that to about 250. and on the main day of protests there were as many as 500 troops being deployed right now, but one thing i want to talk about is this letter that just went out from the wisco gernor tony evers to president trump. we know he was expected to make a trip. president trump is planning to make a trip to kenosha on tuesday. wisconsin governor just released a letter in the past minutes asking the president of the united states reconsider his trip to kenosha on tuesday. he says there will be -- it would require a massive redeployment of resources and there's one line i want to read specifically from the letter where he says, "i'm concerned your presence will only hinder our healing. i'm concerned your presence will only delay our work to overcome division and move forward

together." he said that based on conversations that he had with community leaders here on the ground. so now you have not only the governor of wisconsin asking the president to withhold and delay his visit. you also have the mayor of kenosha asking that the president reconsider saying that now is not the appropriate time to come. we know that the city of kenosha has extended their curfew through tuesday night so through september 1st. there's that 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. curfew. officials here on the ground feel like there's no work to do to ensure the peace that we've seen the past couple nights and they're asking that the president reconsider his trip. >> josh, have you heard anything from the white house about whether or not the president will reconsider his trip? >> we have not yet. this letter actually just came out in the very last few minutes but so far the white house has shown no signs of backing down from this trip that the president plans to make on tuesday. the white house saying that he's going there not to try to calm

tensions, necessarily, or to meet with the family. instead the president planning to be there to meet with law enforcement as well as to survey some of the damage from the violence that's taken place in that community in the last several days. the president's critics say that doesn't seem like a very healing move. that that seems more like trying to take sides in this very bitter conflict and we've asked the white house, you know, will he actually try to meet with the blake family while he's there? they've said that they're still ironing out his schedule. we know that the white house through an intermediary has reached out in some way to the family but so far, no indication that the president has actually spoken with the blake family. or that he plans to do that if he goes guard with this trip on tuesday. >> sergio, we also had mayor wheeler talking today about his plans to quell violence in his community. what more can you tell us about that? >> yeah, you know, this conversation about the president and the mayor is a side issue.

i think what we have here is the local police have had a successful history of policing large political rallies here. portland is famous for that. right? we have extreme right-wing groups going in the streets against left-wing antifa groups. they police that, know how to do it. what we're seeing is a depar cur fr fr from the norm. the last two weekends they have not gone in and separated the two groups. they go in, separate the two groups and try to keep it peaceful. police are, again, saying they don't have enough resource and cannot separate the two groups because they're staffing so sm officers at night. local critics are saying that's a decision by the local police force to staff more police officers at black lives matter protests than the daytime trump conservative rallies protest. another thing that critics are saying the economy is not doing great, there's a pandemic, every entity in the city is asked to do more with less. the police department, you know, hasn't had cuts this year. they should be able to staff

these protests that are going on, not just in portland but all around the country. >> all right. shaquille, josh, and sergio, thank you, all. all of this unfurling as a coalition of black organizations convened its 2020 black national convention. a virtual event aimed at shaping a black agenda in advance of the 2020 elections. as national attention turns to what is unfolding in portland and kenosha, what does it look like to build an agenda that motivates and inspires through november and beyond? let's bring in our panel, with me now, judith brown dianis, executive director of the advancement project national officer. jessica bird, founding partner and principal strategist at three-point strategies. he's also t also the leader of movement for black lives. and rakell willis, she's an award-winning writer and activist. all right, judith, i do very much want to get to the black national convention. before we do, though, i want to

get your thoughts on president trump saying that he is going to visit kenosha, already some pushback. this sense that might actually get in the way of the community's healing. your response. >> stay home. that's my response. you know, all trump is doing is bringing fire. he's bringing gasoline to the fire. instead of water. this is just going to make things worse. we already know that his constituency is already at peak sense of, like, anxiety and threatening people and taking action on that. like, let's not forget that two people were killed. we don't say their names very often. mr. huburt and mr. rosen balm. who were killed by a so-called vigilante so there's no need for trump to be on the scene. it's not going to help.

lieutenant governor already said earlier -- mandela barnes said, no, don't come, the governor is saying no, don't come. this is about politics and smoke and mirrors for him. it's about the opportunity of the optics of a tulle for him for his constituency which are the white supremacists. >> jessica, as i watch what's happening in portland, what's happening in kenosha, to me it both underscores how important it is to have a proactive standalone agenda and also underscores how easy it is to get pulled into a reactive model. so tell me what you are hoping to accomplish with this black national convention. and why it is important in a moment like this. >> yes. thank you, alicia. not just for having us on and asking more complex questions but these two leaders are those who are fighting for all black lives on multi fronts. i just am appreciating this panel so much.

the black national convention was really an inheritance. in 1972 in gary, indiana, over 10,000 black people converged to really debate and dialogue in principled struggle about black political ideology. at the time the biggest kind of debate was about segregation and whether or not black people should fight to be integrated into public schools and housing, et cetera. or whether or not fighting to build alternative communities where we could govern ourselves, and so we find ourselves in those same tensions. whether or not we want to engage in elections as a tactic. whether or not we believe that the way forward is abolition or defund or reform. these are real conversations that are worthy of an alternative space that is self-determining just for black people. but one thing i just want to say about this is that oftentimes we are asked about what other

people are doing for black people. and the black national convention wasn't an affirmative offering for black people to talk specifically about the solutions that we care about. not just in opposition but because we know best as organizers how to move forward. >> as i watched on friday i was struck as jessica said about the solutions-oriented model. what do you hope from the black national convention most permeates into the national discourse as we move into november and beyond? >> well, i hope that we will continue to have conversations on how this election and this moment is not just a referendum on donald trump. it's on white supremacy and patriarchy as well. not be sidetracked by his games, his optics, his props, and not

also be his props. i think also what was heartening about the bnc, as we call it, is we were talking about more expansive ideas of black liberati liberation. so blackness is not a monolith. you know, even beyond the first black national convention. black people have been having these dialogues going all the way back to people like booker t. washington. all those folks. so we have to continue to have those conversations. i was heartened by conversations about disability justice. we were having a holistic conversation on violence. beyond what is happening from the state but also as a black trans woman, it's important for me to also make sure other black trans and gnc folks have a space to talk about the violence we are facing as well. i think it was powerful. we have to continue to do that. one thing i will say, obviously there was also a reignitement of the march on washington and i hope that what happened at the

bnc will be a signal to those of the old guard of the civil rights movement that they need to be listening more and collaborating more with younger black and also more progressive folks in our community. >> judith, as these debates go on, where do you see the conversation about electoral justice going coming out of the bnc? >> well, i think what we're trying to do was arrive on like, this vision. it is a beautiful vision. right? is a vision that is inclusive. this is one of the beautiful things about the convention and hats off to jessica byrd and her team who put this together but has -- it really was that it was this testament to all black lives matter. and so the idea of the fact that we should all be part of this political system, that we all have voice and agency, and i think at the end of the day what we are talking about with regard to electoral justice is that we have to lift our voices, that

this is our time, that november we will be heard and continue to be heard after that and we have a plan and a vision. >> all right. judith, jessica, raquel, thank you, all. up next, democrats are pushing back. they want to know why the director of national intelligence is cutting off in-person briefings on election interference. plus, hour after hour of conservative speakers boiled down to 30-second digital ads. how the republican convention will live on until november. and later, the trump administration took american foreign policy in a drastically different direction. how joe biden's vision will be different. managing your diabetes can be hard.

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answers for the american people. they don't want the american people to know the russians are once again trying to elect donald trump. >> that was house intelligence chairman adam schiff this morning reacting to yesterday's announcement from the office of the director of national intelligence that it will no longer give in-person briefings on election security issues. the announcement is raising alarms, given that the national counterintelligence and security center said earlier this month the russian government is using a range of matters to, quote, denigrate former vice president biden before the american election. president trump yesterday claimed odni was canceling the briefings to prevent leaks of classify the information and even blaming schiff, himself, for past leaks despite having zero evidence. but there are already signs of mounting opposition to the measure, even from within trump's own party. shortly after the announcement republican senator marco rubio said in a statement, "criminal

misconduct does not release the intelligence community from fulfilling its legal requirements to respond to congressional oversight committees." for more i'm joined by elizabeth gotin, the co-director of the liberty and national security program at the brennan center for justice. elizabeth, thanks so much for being with us. i want to play you some sound from acting department of homeland security chief chad wolf from this morning. take a listen. >> i have seen and others have seen that information leaked time and time again. so what he indicated is he's going to provide that information in those briefings to congress in a written, finished, intelligence product and continue to provide them the information that they need to do their jobs. >> doesn't dni have an obligation to take questions from kocongress and do that in person? >> yes. that's the simple answer. and there's absolutely no evidence, as you pointed out, that the committee has been responsible for leaks and, in fact, if you look em pe impeeri

it's almost always intelligence branch officials who dot leaking more so than congress. this is a red herring. the actual issue here is that the executive branch, the president, does not want to have congress involved, does not want to have the american public aware of what is happening with respect to threats of foreign interference in the upcoming election. it is a way to dodge accountability and a way, once again, to try to get around the rule of law. >> right. to that point, nbc reported today that fbi and dhs plan to continue in-person security briefings to lawmakers about election-related cyber threats and disinformation but not about the plans and intentions of nation state actors. what does that tell you? >> it tells me that there's a reason this selectivity is happening, there's a reason why some information is being provided and some information isn't being provided. it's rarely the case when the

executive branch decides to use the secrecy of information in order to influence its agenda that it does so by wholesale withholding of everything. instead, it's the ability of the executive branch to be selective in what it discloses and what it doesn't disclose. that can distort the truth as much as all the information withheld or as much as if actual lies were being told. this is a situation where congress needs to assert its institutional prerogatives and insist on being given full access to briefings on all of the relevant information so it can conduct the oversight that it's responsible for conducting. >> this comes, of course, as a new report from "the new york times" says that doj never fully examined the election threat from russia and mueller's staff investigated crimes, not threats, to national security. can you explain the significance of this new reporting? >> well, i think we have seen

all kinds of efforts on both sides to treat the mueller report as if it were some kind of a rorschach test. on the one hand, you can look at it this way, on the other hand, you can interpret it to say nothing wrong was done. i think there's too much talk about the mule repoeller report. not enough people have sat down and read the summary of the mueller report to say there was not only a lot of evidence of criminal activity, we've seen a lot of prosecutions come out of that or a lot of charges brought, but in addition evidence of cooperation between the campaign and russia and, of course, everybody dances around this term, "collusion." doesn't really matter what you want to call it, it's illegal for a campaign to solicit and accept help from a foreign country in its election. in its campaign. >> this comes on the heels of an rnc where president trump was chanting "12 more years." i wonder how seriously you take

that. is that about more than just owning the libs. does that actually have some impact on our election in november? >> well, i slircertainly worry he says things like this because we know he had autocratic ambitions. he has from the beginning. that was on full display during the republican national convention. it wasn't just the pageantry and nationalism and the cult of personality. it's the fact this was done a lot of it at the white house in violation of the hatch act and that was deliberate. the president wanted to show that he's above the law and white house aides have told reporters that he has been gloating about the fact that he won't be held accountable. what differentiates autocracies from democracies fundamentally is the rule of law. and president trump has nothing but contempt for the rule of law. he has shown it a thousand times in a thousand different ways and at the convention, he didn't just show it, he showcased it.

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get test x180 from force factor, the #1 fastest-growing men's health brand at walmart. television viewership for the republican national convention this past week was historically low. something that seemed to bother the president. the self-described ratings machine. trump spent much of his weekend furiously tweeting about how many people watched him at the convention but facts are facts. and fact is roughly three-quarters of voters say they watched very little to none of the rnc this week. according to a new abc news/ipsus poll. republicans hope they can get their message before viewers in a different way by slicing and dicing various speeches into

digital ads that will microtarget key voters. joining me now, senior strategist and communications director at priorities usa and democratic admaker collin rahero. josh, as you were watching the rnc, i'm going to guess you watched at least some of it, how much of it that you saw was intended for the monday through thursday audience and how much of it was about creating speeches and moments that then could be used, cut into digital ads, and microtargeted to specific voters? >> well, certainly some of it was targeted at his usual audien audience. people who are tuning into fox news every fight to see him and know the talking points, know the shorthand that trump uses. yeah, a lot of it is designed to be put in ads for them to use positive ads, unfortunately, we end up using negative ads when we attack him and the democratic convention had the same purpose. but it goes both ways. so certainly the trump team is planning on continuing to try to

display this compassionate anti-racist feminist to stop covid, save us a recession, we'll protect medicare and social security. they're going to be putting that out there. voters know the truth. we're going to use that to pair that with the facts and show them the truth and continue to hold them accountable. >> right. i mean, collin, to josh's point, this does cut both ways. so as you were watching, were there moments that you said, okay, that is a moment that is clearly meant for a portion of the voters that the trump campaign is going after, and were there moments that you said, well, i hope someone is cutting that and putting that in a democratic oppo ad. >> certainly. i think you can pick any one of the four nights and there's plenty that could be put in an oppo add because it was all false. however, specifically geared toward latino and black audiences i think we saw very specific portions of the show that were geared toward them. especially one from miami who

was originally born in cuba. very clearly specifically focused at south florida and miami which you know well. and i think in some instances will be effective. they barically leerily e icalli don't need to take away all the black and brown vote from democrats. they need to siphon off small portions of it, that's what they're going after. >> josh, democrats lagging behind republicans in the data released at least according to this "wall street journal" piece, "sophisticated data driving campaigns with hundreds of millions of data points that can tell political parties anything from whether someone is registered to vote to whether it's best to contact them by text or email." i wonder both if you agree with the assessment that democrats are lagging behind the gop and also if you can explain to us as someone who makes these ads and tries to get people these messages what role that data plays.

>> so i don't know that i would agree with it. i think we've done a lot of work to catch up. it is true in 2016 they beat us. we've been doing a lot of work to catch up online. i think we've done a good job. i'll give two examples of how we use this data. what we've been doing for years is modeling how voters have different types of voters react to different messages and different ads. so, for instance, we have a whole segment of voters who we know will respond to health care messaging so we're serving them as constantly on health care, on trump's attempts to get rid of coverage for pre-existing conditions. we know which voters will respond the best to that. and another example of this is we know which voters respond to trump ads. when they see his ads, they're more likely to move. we can make sure that we're serving those voters' ads that are responsive to the ones they're seeing from the trump campaign and hz alis allies. remember, you can only match a certain number of voters on

facebook. you only get -- you end up missing people if you only go with this 1-1 microtargeted attempt. >> right. >> so it's important to layer in other tactics. >> joshs if you don't get focused, then, on the microtargeting, what, then, does the strategy become? >> you go for broadcast ads. it's not just tv where you have a broad swath of voters and say, okay this zip code we're going to target or all statewide. you end up getting voters you didn't know you targeting. that's a much -- if you have both going at the same time, you're much more likely to take that -- >> collin, as someone who makes these ads, what role does this data play in your understanding of who it is you're trying to reemp? >> look, i think it's very helpful when you're delivering specific messages. i do think sometimes we overfocus on the microtargeting and segmenting of the universe and forgetting about the broad narrative that we have to win first. first and foremost, we have to have a reason why people need to elect us and all of the issue

advertising to specific audiences falls underneath that. have to have that first then we can deliver specific messages so it's very helpful but we should never lose sight of the top of the messaging arc we need to have first. >> josh, we know that some of the people whose stories and videos were shared it turns out didn't understand that they were going to be used for this specific purpose. for example, we've heard from two people who were naturalized during the naturalization ceremony, they did not understand this would be broadcast at the rnc. once that is captured on tape, though, once you have these people saying this is not what i understood this was going be used for, does that then change the fact that it is out there and that it can be used and repurposed again and again? >> hello? >> josh. i lost you, josh. collin, same question to you. >> i don't -- i don't -- i

think -- >> i might have -- >> you can show the hypocrisy of both. and in those specific scenarios, if you can show that they were used for a positive ad then they rebut the own ad they were used for, i think it's a very, very powerful way to show the hypocrisy of the republican party. i think they should be. >> all right. all right. josh and collin, thank you, both. you've heard the refrain from democrats. the two parties are not the same and that's pretty clear on foreign policy. the difference between trump and biden, next. did you know prilosec otc can stop frequent heartburn before it begins? heartburn happens when stomach acid refluxes into the esophagus. prilosec otc uses a unique delayed-release formula that helps it pass through the tough stomach acid. it then works to turn down acid production, blocking heartburn at the source. with just one pill a day, you get 24-hour heartburn protection. prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.

america first versus american globalism. president trump's ideas about foreign policy couldn't be more different than joe biden's. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel takes a look. >> reporter: when it comes to foreign policy, donald trump and joe biden don't agree on very much. >> allies, they have not treated our country fairly. >> we have to keep strengthening our alliances. >> i'm not supposed to be the president of the world. i'm supposed to be the president of the united states of america. >> reporter: one is an american-first isolationist who thinks only threats and bluster advance u.s. interests. >> this country's respected again. we don't let people take advantage of us. including our allies. >> reporter: the other values international partnerships. believing america's strength comes from the alliances the u.s. helped forge over decades.

biden built relationships with many of the same leaders still in power today from xi jinping to benjamin netanyahu and vladimir putin. while trump has shown an uncanny ability to trust and praise putin, taking his word over american intelligence agencies, for biden, putin is a trickster, a former spy master, best approached with caution. >> if i'm elected president, make no mistake about it, vladimir putin will be confronted. >> reporter: international organizations like nato and the w.h.o. are targets of president trump's greatest ire. for biden, they're part of the international fabric securing america's position in the world. >> i think first and foremost you will see a reengagement on the part of president biden to not only rejoin system ome of t organizations but try to rebuild some of them. >> reporter: on iran biden chose

diplomacy. >> the only way out of this crisis is through diplomacy. >> reporter: trump ripped up the deal. >> the iran deal is defective at its core. >> reporter: and with north korea, president trump made history and a new friendship. both campaigns see china as the biggest foreign policy challenge. with trump taking a hard line with president xi, imposing tariffs and claiming that biden is too soft. >> for 40 years joe biden has been wrong about china. >> reporter: but biden has leveled some of his harshest criticism against the chinese president. >> this is a guy who doesn't have a democratic with a small "d" bone in his body. this is a guy who is a thug. >> reporter: but the biggest difference between president trump and vice president biden may come down to style. >> richard engel reporting. thank you. last time around president trump shocked democrats in the midwest. this time it could be nevada. why some democrats are sounding the alarm.

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nevada has swung for democrats in every national election since 2004 but this year strategists and organizers inside the state are ringing the alarm warning nevada could be the michigan of 2020. they point to sky high unemployment. the state economy's reliance on a gaming industry that took a hit during the pandemic and powerful organizing forces that have seen a downturn in dues and been forced to redirect funds and services like food and rental assistance. what will it take to keep nevada in the democrats' column? with me is laura martin, the executive director of the progressive heard ship alliance of the nevada action fund. laura, thanks so much for your time. there are those who will say that this is concern trolling and there is no reason for democrats to be worried about nevada. what say you?

>> i think it's important not to get, you know, too cocky. we don't want to do that at all, but i think it also is important to recognize the work that is being done, you know, despite the hits the culinary union has taken. they have one of the biggest field programs in the state. they canvassed me the other day and i'm not a member. what it is going to win is a deep investment. no state should be taken for granted. progressives and, you know, organizers all over the state did a great job of turning the state a very deep dark almost blue state but i would say purple for now but we can't just walk away from that. that organizing, those wins happen because of long-term organizing and that long-term organizing happened because of deep investments into community organizations. >> part of what we're hearing about is just the economics situation that you're seeing across the state and then some realities like people not getting their unemployment

checks in a timely fashion. i would suppose that the question becomes who are those voters holding responsible for the current economic situation and for something like the delay in receiving an unemployment check? >> yeah, i think in terms of the coronavirus, i think a lot of voters at least who we talked to or interact with, people are seeing the president for the buffoon he is and how badly he's handled this situation and the time he's wasted led to a lot of people dying or being sick. in terms of unemployment, i think people recognize that the federal government specifically the u.s. senate has dragged its feet and delayed and refused to pass really strong aid packages the house sent to them that would have helped people get money in their pockets, helped businesses, helped people stay in their homes and not be evicted, but i think, you know, some of the conversations we're having with voters are different. typically in elections, we can

talk about in the future what is this i would need from this elected official if they were to be my representative? but now what we're hearing is people knowing what they are going through now and wanting to know who had my back and stepped up and did everything they could to get this right to help ease as much pain as they could and who is actually doing the work to make sure that my family comes out of this pandemic whole? >> a question we keep returning to nationally, i want to know how it's playing out in nevada. is this question of not what people are voting for or against but simply how people are voting. how the mechanics of voting in the midst of this pandemic is expected to affect turnout. what are you seeing on the ground in nevada? >> well, luckily, we were able to get some strong vote by mail laws on the books. we held a special session over legislature to make sure that we could vote safely and efficiently by voting by mail.

also, we've heard feedback from travel members that it would be easier for them to be able to allow their leaders to collect ballots and drop them off collectively so we're able to pass that law, as well and that's what is going to be helpful. but vote by mail is new to nevada. typically when you vote by mail, yo u have you have to have a reason to do it so the numbers are low. this is the first time anybody can vote by mail so we'll keep some vote centers open. there will be drop boxes open. if people are unable or don't want to put their ballot in the mail, they can deliver it to the election department. a lot of people all over the state are working hard so people understand their options and their vote is safe and that their families will be safe if they're not having to stand in a line until 3:00 in the morning trying to cast their ballot. >> according to a poll conducted by latino decisions, 64% of latinos said they had not been

contacted by democrats nor republicans nor either candidates for president in nevada. 20% of eligible voters are latino. what do those numbers say to you? >> it says they have more calls to make. some people are choosing to do doors and that's a way to contact people as long as we do it safe and take into consideration the people on the other side of the door that we're knocking on, but we have 6 five days to get it right. we have a growing latino population, a growing asian population, a black population that has provided the margin of victory for many candidates statewide and otherwise and we have to talk to people. our conversations have been longer because of the pandemic and people are really seeing what it means to have such a chaotic president in charge of your life so people are really taking this election seriously. so we're just going to knock more doors, pick up more phones, send more texts and make sure we can talk to as many people as we can in the next 6 five days.

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