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welcome to "kasie d.c." the president wants this election won in the streets after a violent night in portland, he travels to kenosha, a top homeland security democrat what can be done to keep the peace and 6 million cases of coronavirus in america and no sign of federal relief and jim clayburn joins me and offered john kelly a job as fbi director in exchange for his loyalty. first, we are keeping a close eye on portland, oregon tonight after a man was shot and killed during a protest there last night. it happened after hundreds of cars full of trump supporters drove into the city and clashed with counter protesters. bystanders captured the shooting on camera and we want to warn you the video is graphic.

[ gunshots ]. >> the victim was reportedly wearing a hat with a patriot prayer logo. the portland area group has previously clashed with protesters and described as far right by the southern poverty law center. police say it's still not clear if the shooting was connected to the protests. meanwhile, the president tweeted this morning sharing a video of that caravan full of his supporters calling them quote great patriots. in another tweet he said quote, the people of portland won't put up with no safety any longer. the mayor is a fool. bring in the national guard. in a press conference earlier, mayor ted wheeler had choice words of his own for the president. >> yesterday's events began with hundreds of cars filled with supporters of the president rallying in the county and driving through downtown

portland. they were supported and president trump for four years had to live with you and your racist attacks on black people and now you want me to stop the violence that you helped create and the tweets that he's been putting out in the last 48 hours attacking mayors, attacking those who are trying to bring resolution to the violence in their local community is an opportunity to uplift us together and help us move through this difficult time in the nation's history and divide us. that's my reaction. i'll do the work i need to do with my local community with my local officials to take accountability what is happening on our streets and i'd appreciate the president support us or stay the hell out of the

w way. >> of course, this follows a week of unrest in wisconsin after the shooting of jacob blake. days ago 17-year-old kyle rittenhouse opened fire killing two and injuring a third. the president plans to visit kenosha on tuesday. the governor of wisconsin urging him to reconsider that plan and joe biden saying their plans to go with southwest pennsylvania tomorrow to layout the core question voters face in this election. are you safe in donald trump's america? joining me now is democratic congress man benny thompson of mi miss m miss missippi mississippi. chairman, thank you for being on the show. gre i want to start with your reaction to what we saw unfolding in portland last night. what is your reaction? do you condemn the violence there, the president obviously

noted has weighed in a way that seems to be ginning things up. >> there is no question about it. violence in any form is not acceptable. kasie, we live in america, individuals can demonstrate what they stand for, their rights but when it comes to violence, we have to say no and so for the president however, to urge individuals by calling them great patriots and other things is not helping for any community and especially the good people of portland. >> so president trump has been arguing his campaign has been arguing crime is coming to your neighborhood in a joe biden america. that's his current talking point and as we pointed out, the former vice president getting ready to push back against that trying to reverse what is going on there but portland plays into the president's campaign message

her here? >> the president tries to act like he's running for president, not reelection. he's been there 3.5 years. he should have created relationships with mayors and kb governors all over this great country of ours but he's served as he has and i believe you'll be surprised when you find they're concerned about their communities also. >> do you think voters who may be on the fence or may be deciding whether or not to go to the polls, perhaps people who voted for donald trump in 2016

but aren't sure about supporting him this time, how do you think what we see in portland affects where think stand? >> well, kasie, this is red meat to his base. there is no question about it. he is trying to convince people that america is bad, that the only good individuals are those people who support donald trump. and that's not the case. i say to our president, you're the president of the united states. you are the commander in chief. you are not the divider in chief for which you do on a daily basis. his tweets are not helpful. him talking about local elected officials who are democratic does not help the case and for him not to talk about a certain individual who are doing bad because they belong to his base is not right. i appall violence. most democrats i know feel the

same way so violence is not a democratic issue, not a republican issue. it an american issue. our president needs to get his facts right, speak to the people and not try to convince them that as a bully, he can continue to divide us. it's not good, it's not healthy. >> and what do you think vice president joe biden should be doing in this moment? it seems to me freeman, what we're learning he's going to frame this event tomorrow as are you safe in donald trump's america. it acknowledges he needs to be pushing back against this campaign message that's coming from republicans. is that enough? else should his campaign be doing right now? >> well, i'm convinced that the biden campaign first of all will take sides on what is right. no one will support anyone

harmed. i'm convinced in joe biden we'll see a president who will understand exactly what we need here. we need someone with a plan. we need someone that can unify the community. we need someone who will pick up the phone and call the mayors, call the governors, call the families who are impacted and let them hear from him how he's concerned about it. my understanding is that the president is yet to call any of the parties impacted by what's going on and help portland or kenosha because he doesn't feel for any reason they are part of america or loyal to him. loyalty does not dictate what you do. when you are the commander in chief of the greatest country in the world, you have to act like it 24/7. you can't do it once every other

blue moon. mr. president, act presidential. i think what you'll see in vice president biden is someone who is also schism threatympathetic empathetic about the situation and pragmatic what we have to do to get our hands around it so i look forward to what he will say. >> let me ask you to put on your hat as chairman of the homeland security committee because we learned over the weekend that the odni, the director of national intelligence is no longer going to provide oral briefings to congress on election security. what's your reaction to that and are there any tools congress has to reverse that decision? >> well, we can do several things. first of all, we can demand that those individuals present themselves or their various briefings. if not, one of the things we can subpoena officials to come to

the hearing. last year, i had to subpoena the dhs secretary as well as the dni to come and give my committee a threats briefing which historically had always been the case. it was only when donald trump became president that we start getting the push back on routine intelligence. every member of congress, kasie, signs an oath that says any classified information that i receive i will not violate any ethics around that. so i don't see this question about people for whatever reason telling what they've been told, i've not been privy to anyone saying information is getting out and i've said both democrats and republicans as far as i'm concerned have been very cautious in not just reading and

digesting the information but make sure that they certify once they are elected that they protect that. so i think this is another trump ploy in his reelection scheme because there is no question four years ago the republicans were helped and the trump administration was helped to say they will do it again, misinformation occurred in the state of michigan and promote it by the russians and so think thi -- things are happening already but members of congress, the dni should be sharing that information with us on a regular basi

basis. >> thank you, great to have you. the president, when he is set to return to wisconsin on tuesday. new reporting why cakenosha cou be critical if the president wants to win it back. later, florida health officials accidently released a report on covid-19 outbreaks at schools across the state, and found that nearly 900 students and staffers had tested positive during a two-week period in august. we're going to talk about what parents desperately need in terms of child care and the women that can take care of are doing to get by. take care of a doing to get by. tums versus mozzarella stick

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violence involving kyle rittenhouse could up end the race for 2020 and beyond. kenosha went for obama by wide margins in 2008 and 2012 but in 2016 trump won by 1% or less than 300 votes. joining me now from kenosha is nba news political reporter shaq brewster. shaq, great to have you on the program tonight. i know you've been on the ground reporting about this. the politics of this as you pointed out are so potentially critical. we have been focused on wisconsin through the past four years and because of how close that margin was, it really could come down to any one place and kenosha now the center of it all. >> reporter: that's exactly right. kenosha is a place president obama won and then president trump flipped in 2016. it's also in a district, the congressional district represented by house speaker paul ryan, former house speaker paul ryan. it is a place where divisions

are high and that is why any big moment like this where you have a police shooting, a high profile police shooting that results in the days of unrest that it did, it definitely creates that touch point and with president trump visiting later this week on tuesday, we spoke to some people about the president's visit and you get a sense of that divide in their reactions to his visit. listen to what they told us. >> no, i don't think he should visit yet. i think we should just handle everything that's happening around here. i feel like we haven't completely finished this situation. we don't know what's going to happen, what could still possibly happen and a president visiting a town takes a lot of resources that could be put someplace else. >> i think it's fantastic president trump won kenosha by 280 votes. i think it will galvanize the people that are sick and tired of what is going on here and i think kenosha is going to vote for president trump in the upcoming election. i think we need him here. we need strong leadership.

>> reporter: and highlighting that divide, kasie, just this afternoon we learned that wisconsin governor tony evers is asking the president to reconsider his trip. this trip is imposed or facing opposition from kenosha's mayor and the state attorney general. all three of those elected officials are democrats but now calling on the president to reconsider his trip. again, kasie, this touch point and big police shooting getting the attention of many here. the emotions are high especially at a time when a poll a couple weeks ago showed the support for the black lives matter movement has fallen a little bit from the highs that it saw in july. you see in july it was around 61%, now it's closer to 48%. the police shooting happened to impact a very crucial area. kasie? >> shaq brewster, great reporting, as always, my friend. thank you very much for sticking around for us tonight. great to have you. while the president likes to push the idea he is for law and

order, his out going senior advisor kellyanne conway said the chaos on the streets of american cities is actually good for him politically. >> the more chaos and anarchy and vandalism and violence rings, the better it is for the very clear choice on who is best on public safety and law and order. >> joining me now, washington post columnist eugene robinson and jake sherman and content executive shauna thomas. eugene robinson, i have to tell you what we saw from kellyanne conway because she seemed to just say it out loud, right? when you're not really supposed to but she did and the reality is this is still very raw on the streets of kenosha and for people who watch those incredibly disturbing images and saw their own son, brother, husband, child in jacob blake and the horrible things that happened to him, what -- should

the president be going to kenosha coming up this week? i mean, how do you see this playing out politically? >> well, you know, first of all, kellyanne conway said the quiet art out loud. administration now is actively rooting for more violence and chaos and destruction and they will paint it as joe biden's america even though last i checked, we're living in donald trump's america but be that as it may, should he go to kenosha? i'm inclined to take the word of the elected officials there of the governor and the other state officials and local officials who say no, who say this is the wrong time for the president to come and it does take a lot of resources away from the kind of peace keeping that they need to do still in kenosha and the

investigating they still need to do in kenosha. it a lot of unfinished business there. so i don't think he should but apparently, he will. and i also think, i mean, i thought shaq's report was really interesting but i think we ought to anticipate a good deal of volatility in public opinion in wisconsin just because of what is going on and what continues to go on there. so i don't think anything is set in stone one way or the other but i think the opinion is going to be volatile. >> shaunna thomas, that's a significant shift, a volatile shift on the polling on the black lives matter movement. what's your sense of what's driving that? is this president trump being successful in his reelection campaign? is it something else? >> i mean, it might be that he's being somewhat successful in his reelection campaign. we heard a lot of talk last week

of fear and decisiveness and law and order. maybe some of that is taking effect or maybe people don't know what to think anymore. i think president trump going to kenosha, he's the president of the united states. if this is what he wants to do, he clearly can do that. but i think the thing about what kellyanne conway said is perhaps this unrest does help his campaign, but i also think this unrest in someways helps the democrats, too, because it makes people pay attention to what is going on and it makes them try to figure out how they feel about this and the people who are likely to vote, that is going to be part of their decision when they go and vote. so i think we've been saying for a long time that covid-19 and system maic racism are on the ballot and this shows that is still the case. >> george packer wrote in the atlanti

atlantic, this is how biden loses. nothing will harm a campaign like hesitation or complacency that addresses what voters can see. we can plainly see what is going on on our television sets but i'm curious from your reporting, do you think other republicans see this as, you know, the way kellyanne conway framed it? is this a winner from them? we saw the video from steve scalise twitter flagged as misinformation and are democrats on the flip side concerned what they are seeing. >> there is no doubt, based on my conversations in the past week, no senior advisors believe there is a class of voters, meaning people that don't like the president are and we've been calling them in playbook trump curious. these are people who are -- might have been open to the

president in 2016 but turned off by him in the intervening years who might think at this point that they will give them -- him their vote because they're seeing the other side and the president is doing everything he can to position these protests and the looting and everything like that as we've just discussed, it's a stretch but they're showing these videos, there is clips floating around on twitter that the trump campaign or allies of trump have been blasting out of people saying listen, i understand your gripes but i have a family to feed. that wasn't his exact words but the message and i bet they are taking advantage of the political moment that's powerful and turn it against the democrats. i mean, it is a certain brand of politics that people wouldn't

engage in and that is what the trump campaign started to do. remember, i say this all the time, people are tired of me saying it but the election is 25 million trump years away. we don't know what we'll be talking about in a week. this is an incredibly powerful moment. there will be intervening events to say the least in the next 60 something days. >> yeah, if they're anything like the last 60 something days i don't want to speculate what we might be in for. there is also the reality that people will start voting, starting to vote in many states. that process is going to start seen before and my question to you, what do you think the biden campaign needs to do. the campaign hasn't managed to land a punch.

they try to go after him on things and tried out several nicknames. he hasn't been able to get something to stick. it seems like when they go to pennsylvania they realize they may value a problem. >> they need to punch back. that's something the biden campaign by a lot of professionals that run a lot of campaigns and so one assumes he can take a punch and punch pack back. one thing we should keep in mind is in every prior election that i can rekale you have one convention and another convention and then you give it a week or so before you really

have a sense of where political opinion has landed and whether it has shifted in any meaningful way and one direction or another. i'm looking at this weekend and around labor day to see if there is a fundamental basic shift of a point of two in any direction. so you give ate little bit of time to see where things are. my republican friend mike murphy says a good campaign is a paranoid campaign. if this makes democrats paranoid about michigan, pennsylvania, florida, all those states where joe biden is shown to be ahead and donald trump needs to win in order to be reelected, i think that's all to the good for democrats if it makes them pay more attention and be more active and worry more about the

crucial swing states. >> certainly that has been a worry many of my sources expressed so it seems like this week may help them out to your very good point. gene robinson, thank you very much for being here tonight. jake, shaunna stick around. with boat parades, mammals, which science should we focus on on who is going to win in 2020? we'll talk about that coming up next. 2020 we'll talk about that coming up next they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident, even if it's your fault. cut! sonny. was that good? line! the desert never lies. isn't that what i said? no you were talking about allstate and insurance. i just... when i... let's try again. everybody back to one. accident forgiveness from allstate. click or call for a quote today. and still going for my best.

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with the conventions behind us, we are on the home stretch to election day. earlier this year, then trump campaign manager brad parascale warned of the strategy. he didn't watch the movies carefully because he might remember "death star" blows up twice. with 60 days to go, it is difficult to figure out which indicators we should be watching closely to figure out what's going on. the polls are tightening or are stable depending who you ask. in july trump led joe biden in tv spending 2-1. but over the past month, the campaign has gone dark in some key battle ground states and biden out spent trump 5-1. the trump campaign seems to be shifting their focus online to sites like facebook where protrump influencers spent years shaping their version of reality. the president is banking on a silent majority carrying him to reelection but as "the new york times" pointed out, maybe these

supporters only seem silent because we're not giving enough weight to their facebook feeds. the panel is back with me now, and i actually want to start with this facebook story from "the new york times" because it really stood out to me and i think we can put up on the screen a list of the most recent top links and the places they are from. the first of which is fox news, the second of which a place called black pink, the third sarah palin, fox news, robert reich, ben shapiro. when you look at this data, it seems perhaps the conversation that's being had around the polling numbers feels like maybe it's a repeat of 2016 and i think democrats and also people in the media are very wary of making the same mistake that was made in 2016. on the other hand, we all also tend to if you're a campaign run

the last campaign or if you're the media, try and correct for the mistake you made last time and miss what's in front of you this time around. what do you think is the real story when you look at the facebook numbers and popular sites and versions of reality if you will as compared to what we see in main stream media organizations and in the main stream polling. what is actually happening? >> well, i actually think weirdly, you know, and the article talks about how maybe it not a silent majority because these people are on facebook and you can see the numbers. weirdly, i get this is a reflection of our country. this is a reflection of the fact that you surround yourself a lot with people who think like you who see the world like you, you share that kind of information and the last two weeks of the convention have kind of been like windows opening into those two different versions of america. i mean, we had the democrats

basically saying don't vote for president trump. he is not good enough to be president of the united states, don't make that same mistake again, please go out and vote. we have the republicans saying joe -- well, we have republicans saying a lot of different things about joe biden but what stuck is law and order and unrest is the version of the country that joe biden will have. those are two distinct different versions of how to see america that we saw play out on tv. i think that's also what you see play out on facebook. i think the thing the trump campaign has going for them is that it seems that more of those conservative ideas percolate so they know where to target their people, but i think back to my childhood in church. i went to a southern black church. there were no other white people there. and people talked about politics internally. it just facebook actually you can connect with even more people who basically reinforce your belief. i sort of saw this article as

oh, okay, you can actually kind of see how america is playing out in front of you. >> well, perhaps also, conservatives are heavier users of facebook and that happens to be where they get more news. jake sherman, what's the mood among in particular i'm interested in moderate democrats? i mean, you had people like dean phillips from suburban minneapolis, maybe some of the women, e liothers watch thing p out who were perhaps, you know, looked favorably on the big democratic convention that included old school republicans as opposed to the republican convention but perhaps are getting nervous about where things stand now. a lot of this strategy with the trump campaign is focused on, does seem to be aimed at suburban women who went so aggressively for democrats in 2018. >> well, i think you're seeing a few things play out. these kinds of middle of the

road so to speak democrats are urging the biden campaign to come to where they are literally like stop doing events in pennsylvania and delaware only and get to our states meaning michigan, wisconsin, minnesota. now, i understand that there are significant restrictions to travel and the biden campaign is being essentially judicious about following those but skbroe bi joe biden is not going to kenosha, donald trump is on tuesday and that was something a lot of people were watching whether joe biden would go to kenosha. he's not now. public health concerns are obviously quite paramount for the biden campaign. number two, i want to touch on two things. there are early indications that the suburbs are tightening. polls in the suburbs are tightening and donald trump is gaining joe biden and the season

bu -- suburbs would be important. kushner is involved in the campaign. i said what are we missing? it's not that one poll shows donald trump down and the rest of the polls are close. every poll in existence shows donald trump with a commanding or joe biden with a commanding lead over donald trump. he believes still that polls have not counted trump voters accuratery a rly and they bough home page of youtube. they are spending money in a completely different way at this point and believe, they laugh this stuff off. i don't know, we'll see who is right here.ass. we'll see who is right here and it's not clear to me that anything has changed. i think you're right, we're still reporting and analyzing as if it were the last election. >> here is hoping that did not spill all over your laptop, jake, fingers crossed. >> it didn't. i haven't looked yet but i think

we're good. >> okay. good. thank you both so much for your time tonight. always great to have both of you. when we return, parents and child care workers learn the hard way how to get through the pandemic. the latest on installment on the she session. n installment on the she session. as a caricature artist,

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that need child care to work and the women whose work is child care. >> we don't give up. this is part of our community. >> the last few months haven't been easy for her. her old tight budget at kids r us learning center stretched thinner by new calls for covid safety and lower than usual enrollment. some parents desperate for her to welcome their children back. >> i had several call that said things like, ms. low, when are you guys going to reopen? my baby has gone from my sister's house to my grandmother's house and next week i don't know where i'll put her but i have to get to work. >> parents across the country vexed by this same question, if and where to send their kids while they work. from hair salon owners. >> there isn't any camps or anything or anywhere i feel comfortable sending my child. >> to teachers. >> your child's school could make one decision and your school you work is making another decision. >> to the child care workers

themselves. >> how will i juggle working every day, you know, do i need to do a part time schedule? >> it's a multi piece puzzle disproportionately impacting women. those in need of child care to do their jobs and those whose jobs are child care. women make up less than half of the u.s. labor force but nearly all child care workers. the industry was hit hard by shutdowns and hasn't fully bounced back. last month the work force is 20% smaller than it was before. >> women are impacted no matter where you look. >> kathryn white works for the national women's law center. >> you have families that lost their jobs or lost their income and they're thinking about going back to work without money to pay for child care. and then on the other side, you have child care providers facing rises cost so they have to charge more and parents can't pay and providers can't charge less. >> it's not a new bind. child care was already getting more expensive each year. growing twice as fast as overall inflation. the average cost to send a child

for daycare, more than $11,000. a 2018 study shows mothers who found child care were more likely to be employed than those who didn't. fathers were not impacted in the same way. experts estimate it would take almost $10 billion a month to keep the system afloat during the pandemic including money for providers whose doors are still closed. congress put up 3.5 billion in grants but child care advocates are calling for more, to the tune of $50 billion. >> $50 billion sounds big but not in terms of the size of the work force and the impacts. child care employs millions of caregivers and supports tens of millions of families to go to work. >> it's a big figure but far from unheard of. congress gave $58 billion to the airlines alone at the start of the crisis. >> child care is largely viewed as an individual responsibility because it's women that are doing the work. they're taking on the burden of care giving.

they're the providers and the child care workers so policy maker haves for decades said it's your problem. deal with it. >> does it feel very, this is what we expect from women. >> we are the ones that make sacrifices most often when it comes to caring for our little ones, you know, making plans for your family's well being so they know everything rest on their shoulders. >> now, kasie, congress is deadlocked over just money for individuals to make it through this crisis. but there has been some movement on child care in the house. last month, they passed measures that would pump more than 60 billion into the child care industry. currently, that bill is with the senate and you know as well as i do, kasie, things rarely move quickly on capitol hill. we'll be watching this space for if and when that happens, kasie? >> another excellent portrait of just what women are going

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program tonight. it's great to have you. i'd like to start with something, a story that's gotten some national headlines. obviously we've been mostly focused on the president so far tonight but i have to ask you about ed markey and joe kennedy facing off in a primary coming up tuesday. the house speaker nancy pelosi waded into the race endorsing. how does this play out. you're supporting markey? >> yeah, i'm supporting markey. it's unfortunate it's gotten nasty. we're not used to that kind of politics in massachusetts. both have good records. senator markey has a very distinguished record for 40 plus years in the congress and united states senate and a big partner with me in the city of boston. >> do you think senator markey will pull it out on tuesday? >> it's hard to say. the polls all say that. in this year's election with mail-in ballots and with the

coronavirus, it's very complicated to see exactly what would happen. normally you'd have a ground game, knocking on doors and pulling people out to vote. i'm curious to see how next tuesday works in massachusetts and post becauboston because i o push to the next race but it's a dry run for the presidency pulling votes out across the country. >> it's a very important point. what are you doing on the municipal level to make sure you guys are ready for that? >> you know, we've added extra early vote locations in the city of boston. we've encouraged people, they shut town after this weekend. we've encouraged people to drop in their mail-in ballots, drop off in boxes, city hall. if they aren't postmarked -- in the mail by the 1st, they won't count here in massachusetts and post. so i'm concerned. i think we've had about 90,000 ballots requested with mail them

out to folks and we've only gotten 10% of them back in the mail as of thursday. so i do have major concerns that the folks that are putting ballots out there aren't mailing them back. i want people to understand in boston and around the country if you're concerned about your vote, go out and vote regardless on tuesday. we're going to have precautions in place. we're going to have polling locations, physical distancing when we go in there. we're asking people to wear masks. just make sure your vote gets counted. >> let me ask you about one other race coming up tuesday congressman richard neal, the powerful chairman facing a challenge from alex morris. have you weighed in on this race? have you formally endorsed richard neal potentially the latest on progress i was taking on longtime opponents. >> yes, i'm supporting him. he's somebody in congress you in

massachusetts and he's been a partner in so many different ways. i think throwing somebody out just for the sake of throwing them out is not the way to do politics. he has a proven record. he's been on the side of progressive politics his entire career. just to say move him out isn't enough, why we should be putting him out of office. >> let's touch on coronavirus quickly. i know you mentioned it in the context of elections. there was a super spreader event early on in the pandemic in the boston region that has been linked with many of the cases that you've dealt with. however, your positive rate has come down significantly in the last couple of weeks as schools are starting to reopen. how is the city doing in pushing back against the pandemic and are you confident that schools in your city are going to be able to stay open through the fall? >> well, we have a 2.3 rate for the last seven days as far as

test rate across the city of boston. we're working right now to see how to open school safely. the super spreader eventure mentioning, i'm assuming biogen in the beginning where a story said 20,000 people potentially contracted the coronavirus through that one event. certainly we have not seen anything like that since the beginning but also the way that we've dealt with coronavirus has changed. back in february and march, early march, we weren't talking about social distancing. we weren't talking about wearing sks make. we weren't talking about washing down surfaces. we want talking about isolation. there was no direction, quite honestly, from the white house at all. what we did in massachusetts, myself and others, put in tougher, saw big spikes in the months of april, may, june. since that time we've seen 12 cons.e.c. tef weeks of low

numbers. i think our rate in massachusetts is under 2%. so we have to continue to do what we need to do every day to keep the spread down. when it comes to schools, we have to make sure that our teachers an students and parents feel safe about sending their kids back into a building. we did a phased-in approach. again, we're going to be working with everybody to move forward. if we get a rate of 4% across the city, we won't open school. we'll shut school back down. this is all the cities and states in america on their own on this. we had no direction in the beginning. the pandemic from the white house. and no direction now coming out of it except trump said open everything up. when he did, cities and states across the country are shut town again because their rates spiked. >> yeah. boston mayor marty walsh. thank you very much for your time tonight, sir. i appreciate it. we have another hour of "kasie

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the eve of the presidential election. joe biden will hit the road after labor day. the first ballots go out. half a million people requested ballots up from 33,000 at this point in 2016. far more democrats than republicans are requesting ballots but nearly 150,000 of them are for unaffiliated voters. a wave of new polling gives a muddled view over what impact the conventions might have had. abc news poll showing the president's stag nanant, vice president biden solid. the president, farmers toutful about him and his ethanol policy. at the same time millions of americans wonder whether the country they are seeing on tv and faeb and reddit is real, one

where white house was remodeled into a convention, a massif pandemic said to be under control as the u.s. reaches 6 million cases and more than 1,000 americans die every day. one where people accost members of congress as they leave the white house and one where factions have deadly clashes on american streets, where black men and women are killed without justice. twitter not a complete picture of reality. facebook, not a complete picture of reality. what does reality look like for millions of americans heading into labor day and what will it look like two months from now on election day. joining me to try and help us make sense of some of these questions the house majority whip democratic congressman jim clyburn of south carolina. congressman clyburn, it's always great to have you on the program. it's an honor. can we start with this broad picture in we've been talking a lot about the campaign. you obviously have been a very influential adviser to joe biden

especially with african-americans in your home state of south carolina. what are you telling the campaign right now about how they should be approaching this moment? he's got this speech set for pennsylvania tomorrow called raising the question are you safe in donald trump's america. is that the right message? are they doing enough? what are your thoughts and words of advice for them? >> thank you very much for having me. to get to your question, though, i think that it is very, very important for the former vice president to remind the american people that this projection, this seemingly transfer of reality that the current president is trying to perpetrate, he needs to remind the american people that what is going on in this country today is being done in trump's amer a

america. and remind people of the fact that when he and obama were leading the country, we didn't have this kind of turmoil. people were working together will people saw in each other a certain degree of worth. in an attempt to help preserve this journey that we've been on for many years now in pursuit of a more perfect union. so i think it's important for the former vice president to go to philadelphia. it's a good place to do it. birth place of our constitution, and remind people that our motto e. pluribus unum, out of many, one. that's what this campaign needs to be about. i've been saying for a long time now, and i think i've said it on your show before, this campaign is all about restoring america's

goodness. this is a great country and there are good people, but we for the last several years under this president have been at each other's throats and for no reason at all. i think that the mayor of portugal got it right today. >> the president is set to go to kenosha, wisconsin later on this week. why do you think he is going to kenosha? what is the purpose, in your view, of that visit? >> to fan the flames. this president, and his counselor, i think she said it a couple days ago, they feel that their pathway to victory is having turmoil, having people at each other's throats. that is not what building a country is all about.

we are all about pursuing a country full of promise for everybody. this president believes in insulting people, hanging nicknames on people. that's childish stuff. when i was growing up in a little town in south carolina, my parents would not even allow us to have nicknames and would not allow us to give anybody else a nickname. that was disrespectful. they wanted people to be called by their given names, but not this president. insulting is his way of doing it. violence is what he wants to see. that to me is detrimental to the future growth and development of our great country. >> your counterpart on the republican side steve scalise put a video up on twitter they marked as deceptive.

i don't want to show it to our viewers because it was deceptively edited and we don't want to spread misinformation. it spliced together clips, painting a picture of lawlessness and edited a disability rights activist barkin talking with the vice president joe biden about police and spliced the words to make it seem as though joe biden was essentially saying defund the police. nancy pelosi, the house speaker, has called on scalise take it down. were you surprised to see scalise put something out like that? would you echo that call from the house speaker? >> yes, i would echo her call. i have not seen it. i've had several people talk to me about it. yes, to answer your question, i am surprised at steve because of that. we don't see eye to eye politically but to cut up someone's speech -- we just saw a grandmother have her speech

spliced and diced by a guy who has now been indicted, i believe, whatever that group is called, cut up her speech, embarrassed her, got her fired from her job and found out later what they had done. that's what's going on with black lives matter. it's a great movement. we've seen a lot of decrease in its support because people are taking advantage of it. here in columbia, south carolina, we had a very peaceful march after george floyd's death. but one hour after that march was over, windows were smashed and other things took place. when the chief of police investigated, he found out that other people from outside came in and used the march as -- we saw that happen in indianapolis. it happened in oakland, californi

california,. now, i think they are about to march in washington, d.c., find the same thing happening there. so i would say to your viewers, please, don't hold black lives matter responsible for someone coming in from some out of state as happened there a few days ago with this gentleman shooting two people, killing two people, shooting thee. he had no business in the state at all. this kind of stuff we really ought not hold against black lives matter because they are pursuing a more perfect union and trying to bring attention to issues that need to be given attention. they are not responsible for these things. in indianapolis there was a black supremacist camouflaged as a black person going out knocking out windows. we know that's the case here. i think that people have talked enough about this thing. i hope that the former vice president will do that tomorrow or whenever he gives his speech

in philadelphia. >> yeah. i'm glad you raised that, because we did show those striking numbers in terms of polling support for black lives matter, it's dropped significantly to about even 48-48 from pretty overwhelming support. do you think that movement is potentially problematic for joe biden as he tries to defeat donald trump? >> well, you may recall, i've said before when john lewis and i first met at 20-year-old college students in the student nonviole nonviolent coordinating. for me it was more about tactic but john lewis it was internalized. we were about nonviolent. we didn't go out and do anything we thought would perpetrate violence at all. we knew we were going to jail. john was beaten mercilessly.

but we held to that but in the long. here were the headlines, burn baby burn. it didn't come from us. it came from others. it was kind of interesting for john, john was ousted as president of the student nonviolent coordinating committee a year after selma, a year after that. just think about that. how ungrateful can people be. that's what's going on here. black lives matter is a very noble effort and people ought not be judging them by these outsiders that come in to use their movement as a cover for doing their foolishness and much of it. i understand in washington, d.c., they have traced these people, and it goes right back to trump's organization. they are hiring people, they are

sending people in in these areas. nobody wants to say it but one thing by getting beyond the promise you tend to say things, not worried about the consequences as much as i used to. >> well, majority whip jim clyburn, thank you very much for the history lesson. we'll look forward to reporting out what you've outlined there. thank you very much for coming on the program tonight. i really appreciate your perspective. >> thank you very much. still ahead i'm going to talk to senator debbie stabenow as school lunches for children in need and classrooms on the brink. lines blur as hundreds descend on the white house for the republican convention and money flows from the trump campaign to the trump organization. and new reporting about why there was such an alarm inside the white house about jerry kushner's security clearance. we're back after this. y kushner's security clearance we're back after this. so you're a small business,

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years in the making between the white house, gop and trump organization. the republican national convention as a reality tv event with the executive mansion serving as a grand backdrop. on night two, pocket doors slid open for a big reveal, president trump surprising a small group of immigrants at a naturalization ceremony. later that night first lady melania trump approached on ttoe the keynote speech in the rose garden. president trump addressed people unmasked, not practicing social distancing on the south lawn. the legality of using the white house in a clearly partisan political matter was immediately called into question. the issue rejected by white house chief of staff mark meadows said nobody outside the beltway cares about the hatch act, a statement that the create the enough controversy on its own. four of the chirp spoke at rnc,

donald trump's and eraaron trum who took a break running the trump organization, as forbes report said federal election filings, the president pumped $2.3 million of campaign donations into private businesses. "washington post" also reported trump's company charged u.s. government more than $900,000 over the past four years. if this web couldn't get any more tangled, white house spokesman released a statement in response saying the newspaper was, quote, blatantly interfering with the relationships of the trump organization and added the white house was compiling a very large dossier on post reporter david fahrenthold who wrote that story. joining me, msnbc contributors or analysts. david, since we ended with you

there, i want to start with you. forgive me if you've already responded to this and i had missed it. that's a little threatening, maybe a lot threatening. i saw a lot of people tweeting links to your stories citing these as the dossier. what was your reaction when you saw this statement and do you have anything to say back to him? >> well, look, if people think there's something wrong with one of our stories we go to great lengths to get their perspective, ask the white house for comment, trump organization for comment. often they don't respond. if they do respond, we put it in the story. after the story comes out, you think somebody is wrong, you don't need a dossier, leather bound document, you're not the president, reach out and we'll correct it. we vanderbilt seep any dossi-- any dossier. they want to complain about stories, don't wait to get it

bound. just call us and tell us and we'll look at it. >> because we have rules. let's talk about the rnc, it was a stunning display. i never thought i would see anything like it. obviously the law -- the very old law that governs partisan political activities while serving as a government official on government property is called the hatch act, something a lot of people have learned -- if they didn't know about before have learned a lot in the last week. i want to show everyone what joe biden had to say about this, about the hatch act, then we'll talk about that and the rnc on the other side. >> he continues to flaunt every single bake rule and basic tenet that democrats and republicans both have adhered to. he's using the white house as a prop now. look what's going on in terms of

the hatch act. i know people don't know what the hatch act is. but using federal properties to make political statements from and political campaigns. can you imagine what would have happened if barack obama did that when he was running a second time or i did that from the white house lawn or the rose garden, whatever? >> sam, can you imagine what would have happened had that been the case? >> people like mark meadows would not have considered it a controversy, they would have pounded from the rooftops. people watching this might not be totally familiar with the hatch act and say what's the big deal. on a practical matter maybe it's not but there is a through line here that extends well back to impeachment. that was the case of trump using the powers of his office for his own partisan gain. he was impeached for that. that same type of activity is

what you saw evident in the convention this past week, which is using the powers and prestige and imagery of his office for political gain. the trump people when we reported this out, they take almost a certain amount of pride in doing this. there is sort of this informal contest among aides about who can violate the hatch act most egregiously and get away with it. that's been sort of the theme of this presidency. they like to flout not just media and democrats or own the libs they actively like to push the letter of the law and on occasion go beyond it. they feel they haven't been punished in any meaningful way for it. the constraints aren't particularly that oppressive, so why not? we'll see if there is an actual political benefit to it or if the cost is worth it come election day. >> that has essentially been

president trump's response. well, we're in the white house, you're not. this is what we're going to do. do you think there's any going back from what the president has done here? >> no, i don't think there's any going back because there's never been a hesitation to do it from the very beginning. the only indication that donald trump has given since he was a candidate for president back in 2015 and 2016, that he would not conflate his personal business with the position in the white house is when he said he would step away from operations at the trump organization and allow them to be handled by his adult sons. of course, every other presidential candidate with any sort of business dealings or wealth divested from companies that were involved with and put their wealth into blind trusts so that actions that they took, they wouldn't know whether it would benefit their portfolios or not. donald trump refused to do that. even if he stepped away from the

trump organization, he would fully know what would be benefiting from it. he's taken every opportunity to try to promote his brand, his businesses. he announced his presidency from trump tower. recall this seems like a long time ago but he tried to steer the g7 summit to his doral property in florida. he goes to bedminster and his florida property repeatedly hundreds of times. we see him playing golf there. we see him playing golf at his resort in virginia frequently. so he has never made a secret of the fact that he seeks to promote his self, his business, and his own dealings through the presidency. i also take issue with the idea that the hatch act or the principle of not using the white house, not using taxpayer-funded property or your position as an elected official to advance your interest, i don't think that's an inside the beltway concern.

in fact, i think it's the opposite. i think folks inside the beltway tend to get blind to those kinds of things once they see it too much. i think the american people, many of the american people, anyway, are very offended by that notion, whether they support donald trump or not. >> well, that was always supposed to be part of the norm that kept people in line, even if you weren't necessarily concerned that the teeth in the hatch act were particularly sharp, the consequences elector electorally would be to maintain that and the trump organization decided to dispense that. david, as you are looking ahead to the fall and all these ties we've been talking about between the trump organization, campaign, rnc, it occurs to me if the president loses the election that's potentially a significant business problem for him. he seas up front he's not

thinking about these things, but as you've documented and kimberly laid out, we know there are strong ties between the president and his companies and his children currently running the trump organization. what things are you looking at in terms of how the organization is thinking about the re-election cam paper and how that might impact the president's decisions in the next couple months. >> well, it's clear politics, republican politics are huge for the trump organization. they have lost a lot of income as we documented from old customers basically being driven away. in turn they have business from trump's own campaign, republican campaigns. trump goes to his properties to headline events where republican campaigns pay him for that. that's been $3.8 million. he gets money from taxpayers as well. if he loses the taxpayer money will mostly dry up and possibly some of that republican campaign money will dry up. the rest of the trump organization is in a bad state

right now both because it lost those customers but also covid which hit two of its mainstays, luxury hotels and commercial office space. those are two things the trump organization is heavily invested in and neither one is doing very well right now. if he loses and returns to private life as the head of his business in january 2021, he's looking at a business that's lost a lot of its advantages, lost-of-lot of customers and doesn't have a lot of tools left to pull itself out. they always said they would pursue overseas deals, branding deals in other countries, and i suppose that's still out there. but the trump name isn't going to be what it was going in. unless you're a strong trump fan in the united states, it will be lesser. >> let's talk about another member of the trump family, sam stein, new reporting from mike smits, new book that looks at security clearance, john kelly, the white house chief of staff

who argued that his security clearance needed to be downgraded partly because of concerns about overlapping ties and issues, cop flikts of interest potentially related to his finances. it's clear that also kelly seemed to want to have this documented. there's memos back and forth that schmitt has between counsel. it's not surprising but at the same time pretty remarkable. >> two things here. one the kushner element. it's a little bit shocking but not surprising in a way because trump ultimately prevailed and got him security clearance and he's gone on to work on a most of massif geopolitical issues. he scored a breakthrough in the middle east. there's always been this question about what are his financial entanglements, to they compromise him in any way. secondarily, what kind of background does he bring to the

table if he's going to be the chief diplomat for america abroad. the second thing is the thing you pointed out, john kelly clearly wanted to have this documented. that seems to be this macro theme here, with anyone who spent a modicum of time in and around trump, you document everything. we have family members taping other family members, aides taping aides. i've never seen the level of distrust and cya that's hamg he -- happening here. that's what you expect from trump aides. they recognize there's toxicity day in and day out, they want the document, you know what, i thought this was a problem. i blue a whistle. i was uncomfortable. that's sort of a remarkable thing for a president to have surrounding him. >> well, kimberly, it goes beyond the toxicity sam stein is talking about to questions of

legality. >> yes. it definitely does. it's one of the legal quandt rice this white house found itself in with these potential conflicts as well as threats to national security and these, once again, are things the white house does not have deep concern about unless they are using legalities as threats, as swords against other people. just as a lawyer, i can't skip the fact that the statement in respect to the story saying it was interfering with business relationships of the trump organization, that's language we learned in law school is a tort to interfere with business relationships. that's the threat of a lawsuit. that's how donald trump has reacted to these things as the trump organization. once again, they are bringing the same tactic from the trump organization into the white house. >> tactic we've seen from him

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with just 65 days left to election day, all signs once again say that michigan is likely to be among the most popular states on the electoral map just a day after the rnc wrapped up the vice president made a campaign stop in traverse city, one of my favorite places in america. the first for a rally and first for any candidate in the state since the pandemic started. joe biden's last stop in michigan was before the democratic primary in early march. like 2016 polls show the state will again be a toss-up. trump won michigan by less than 11,000 votes. for more on the state of play in michigan, i am joined by senator debbie stabenow. senator stabenow, it's lovely to have you on the program. as you know, i'm a michigan partisan. >> i know. >> so thank you for being here. tell us where you think things stand especially in your home state, especially as we're

watching the volatility on the ground in kenosha after the shooting of jacob blake, the violence in portland. do you think this is a moment where the vice president needs to take steps to try and redirect this narrative or what is concerning you right now? >> well, first, kasie, it's great to be with you. i just have to say about the vice president's visit, he was up in traverse city. you know we're the national -- number one in the country growing cherries, and this administration has done nothing to help our cherry growers. by the way the vice president voted to let the auto industry go bankrupt when he was chairman. just a note. when we look at what's happening now i trust joe biden and kamala harris to do what they believe is right in terms of speaking out as they have. when the president is talking

about going to kenosha, it's my understanding he has not called jacob blake's family or any of the other families. i've certainly not heard him speak about the horror of that -- of what has happened to jacob. he seems to be throwing more gasoline on the flames. he wants this. it's a horrible thing to say about a president of the united states but the truth of the matter is that he wants the violence. he wants the fighting. he wants the division. and i believe that one of the reasons that he wants this, i mean, he's mr. law and order -- even though it's his -- this is happening on his watch. not barack obama and joe biden's watch. not george w. bush's watch, not bill clinton's watch, donald trump's america is what we are looking at right now. but i think what he's trying to do is make sure that we don't in

any way look at over 180,000 people who have lost their lives because of his uncaring ineptitude, not acting on january 20th when we had the first case of covid-19 and still not acting. so at all costs, when we talk about the suburbs, you know folks in michigan care about in the suburbs, women and men care about, the safety of their children. the safety of their children and themselves. 180,000 people have lost their lives and our children can't go back to school safely because donald trump and his administration will not step up and support efforts to make sure our schools are safe. that's what people in michigan suburbs as well as across the state are really concerned about. >> let me show you we have video of one -- his name is jerry.

he's an undecided voter although he backed trump in 2016. this is what he had to say when we asked him about some of the violence we saw unfold. >> i think the american people, whoever is president, are not going to put up with this. law and order does need to -- we do need to have some sort of civility. you can't just bluntly go and break into someone's business and burn it down, maybe generational businesses. i do think we need to have -- whoever is president is going to calm this whole thing down. >> what does joe biden need to do in michigan to win over voters like jerry and make sure the state doesn't go for donald trump? >> well, kasie, i couldn't agree more with what the gentleman said. he's absolutely right. we've got a lot of businesses, small businesses in michigan and family farms in tough shape and job wants things burned down or to have to close for any reason.

i think joe biden has already stepped up to speak to this and what needs to happen both in terms of that effectiveness on law enforcement and bringing people together and that we have to stop dividing the community. bottom line, folks have got to take a deep breath and decide that we're going to listen and work with each other and that, yes, black lives matter. we're going to embrace the capacity for people to peacefully march and at the same time stop the looting. i don't support the looting. i don't know anybody -- any democrat -- certainly joe biden and kamala harris don't support the violence and looting that's going on. the only folks i've heard say they thought it was a good idea was kellyanne conway who said it's really a good thing for them if there's more violence. i don't think it's good if we have violence. i don't think it's good for anybody if we have violence. this goes back to the question

of what's happening, who is really doing it. what's the motivation behind it. it's very serious. it's horrible what is happening. i also know -- i believe he's counting on this to be his re-election strategy. >> before i let you go, i did want to ask you about, speaking of elections, the robocall that michigan -- some michigan voters received, officials found this call that was trying to dissuade people to vote by mail and said their information would become part of databases, police would be able to track down old warrants and credit card companies could be used to track outstanding debt. are you concerned about efforts like this that seem to be trying to deter people from voting by mail in michigan? >> i'm very concerned about it. i think we're going to see more

of it. i was really glad the person that got the call raised this on a radio program asking about it. we are working very hard in michigan. all of our statewide officials, secretary of state, attorney general, myself, everyone together to make sure that people know, first of all, that absentee ballot voting is safe and there's integrity in that system. we do everything to stop these kinds of things. what i was going to say, we're going to have 65 days of this. it's going to get much worse in my opinion. i'm actually a very optimistic person but i am fully prepared for anything at this point. what we've got to do, those of us who care deeply about the country is put our head down and work and make sure people vote, make sure people are voting absentee, make sure they feel comfortable and vote early by mail, make sure they vote safely on election day. this the election of our

lifetime. so rather than getting distracted about whatever is fog to come, i don't think we've seen even half of what's going to be coming, of the chaos and division and the hatred and everything else, but we've got to just take a deep breath and say, okay, 65 days we can be done with this, in 65 days. maybe 70 by the time we count all the absentee ballots but we're going to be done with this. so take a deep breath and just go work so that we can make sure everybody votes. >> all right. senator debbie stabenow, thank you very much for your time tonight. it's always great to have you. we're going to be back with more "kasie dc" coming up in just a moment. h more "kasie dc" coming up in just a moment

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this week, at least for a few nights, athletes across the world of american sports said the games could wait. on wednesday three nba playoff games were postponed after players refused to take the court following the police-involved shooting or jacob blake in wisconsin. playoffs resumed yesterday but not before the protest grabbed the attention of the country and rippled through other leagues. joining me is senior writer for espn howard bryant. howard, thank you so much for coming on tonight. i really appreciate it. put us -- put into perspective for us what we saw this week in sports. i have know there's a long tradition of individual black athletes standing up for themselves over many years, but this felt like a moment with new sweep. >> there's no question. thank you for having me on. i think that the big question here is if you go back to 2014

when the nba players, the los angeles clippers had threatened to boycott after the donald the sterling scandal, they threatened not to play, but they turned their jerseys inside out and threw them in half court and the games went on. we saw a lot of athlete momentum in terms of getting involved in social issues, but the games kept going on. even now before the restart with the pandemic, you saw players talk about maybe it's inappropriate for us to play with everything that's going on in the country before covid and george floyd and yet the games kept going on. two days ago they didn't. two days ago they stopped. not only was that unprecedented from the fact that they refused to play but you hood coordination. it was the milwaukee bucks, then the rockets, the thunder, the lakers and the trail blazers. then it was tennis and baseball and hockey and the next day they shut down as well. to see that level of

coordination is something we haven't seen even in the days of muhammad ali or kirk lauren or jackie robinson. what we saw here was very, very different. >> it really underscores the courage of those individuals who shouldered so much of these burdens in their times alone, to see all these teams standing together, can you talk a little bit about why it's been the nba leading on this? we saw kaepernick do what he did. was not rewarded by the league by any stretch. instead it was basketball where this started and who kind of stood out on this ychlt? >> i think because you've got two issues. one i think the nba has always been the sport that's closer to revolution in terms of labor than the other sports simply because the nba has more partnership. the nba and the nba owners and the management and the commissioner, they don't have the same sort of acrimonious

relationship that you see with the nfl. the nfl's original reaction as we saw with colin kaepernick was immediate crackdown. the other issue was the nba is an 80% black league, 79% black. it's a black culture, the sport is a black cultural game. the game reflects the people who play it. let's not forget something else as well. the players contract in the nba are guaranteed and the nfl's contract aren't. the players in the nba have much more financial stability, much more flexibility. there's another piece of it, the wnba. if anybody, the women have been far more resolute and far more direct in their protests and how they feel about what's happening. what you're really seeing here is an incredibly powerful two-pronged attack on this issue where you have people who are listening and ib think the other part of it is, too, is you've got very prominent players in the nba who have the platform, they've got the visibility to

really say something and have people listen to them. >> i'm really glad you brought up the wnba. thank you very much for that. on the platform question, is that what's really making a difference, instagram, twitter, facebook, people have direct ties to their fans. >> i think it's the big ellis issue with all of this. generationally, social media is where they get their news. i always ask myself the question. we've be fighting two wars for 20 years, next year's the 20th anniversary of september 11 and where else in the country do you get to see killings and death on a daily basis. you don't see coffins being taken off planes anymore. you don't see it the way you did in vietnam. you see the viral encounters with police on a daily basis, almost. i think the way this generation shares information, when those

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hey there. i'm joshua johnson. it's good to be with you tonight. the protests in portland began after the death of george floyd. now, a deadly shooting there is changing the debate over what happens next in oregon and across america. it's still unclear exactly what happened. we do know the shooting occurred after a series of clashes between protesters who have been in the streets for months and a group of trump supporters who confronted them. portland's mayor is laying blame for this squarely on president trump. >> do you seriously wonder, mr. president, why this is the first time in decades that america has seen this level of violence? it's you who have created the hate and the division. it's you who have not found a way to say the names of black people killed by police officers, even as people in law

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