good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. president trump is dismissing the plea from the wisconsin governor and kenosha mayor not to come to the city tomorrow. the governor saying it would only hinder their healing. the president on twitter saying he wants to meet with law enforcement. and jacob blake's family says the white house has made to effort to reach out to them. the white house said it has left multiple messages. and peter alexander on that, one week after police officer, of course, fired seven shots into

mr. blake's back and close range. causing a new chapter in international outrage over police violence. mr. trump also continuing his barrage of tweets again ted wheeler calling him a joke after 29 more arrests in that city's 14th week of protests but the president also retweeting praise for a caravan of his supporters who entered portland. he's calling them great patriots. in prepared remarks for a speech in pittsburgh this afternoon, democratic presidential nominee joe biden will issue a strong counterattack against the president's rhetoric, which he told us last week is pouring gasoline on the fire. joining me now, nbc's reporter from kenosha and nbc's erin mclaughlin in portland. and scenes were i gather peaceful overnight but anticipation and concern about the president's visit tomorrow? >> reporter: that's right, andrea. you're seeing a real divide here in wisconsin over the

president's planned visit for tomorrow. while you have the democratic leaders of the state as you mentioned, the governor, attorney general even the mayor of kenosha opposing the president's visit, asking he postpone the trip, you have republican leaders including some in the county council, county board, still inviting the president saying it's important he comes out and speaks to members of the law enforcement community and survey the damage from the earlier days of protests. in the middle of all of that you still have the family of jacob blake who say, who are on msnbc earlier today and was asked whether or not they want to reach out, or whether or not they want to communicate with the president. listen to a little of that exchange. >> being that my parents are here and living and they're actually the head of this, that would be something that they would have to decide. it's not for me to decide. i'm definitely here to remember

my brother -- >> we don't want -- i don't want politics. this is not about politics. this is about my son. >> over the weekend, the family led a massive protest and march here in kenosha. it was very peaceful, but the concern you have and the concern you hear from local officials is that with the president coming in, with the president coming in, and all that comes with him that could change. the tenor and tension would build with a presidential visit. andrea? >> of course, those interviews with hallie jackson on the 10:00. thanks so much, jack. meanwhile, erin, police moved in again last night to make more arrests in portland. what is the mayor going to do there to maintain order as he continues to hear strong criticism from the president? >> reporter: yeah. that's right. another night of clashes here in portland as protesters confronted police throwing

rocks, eggs and other projectiles. 29 arrests were made. and among the items seized by the police, two loaded handguns, and a knife, capping off a weekend that was tumultuous and chaotic. right here saturday night a man was shot and killed. following a protest supporters. a caravan seen firing paintballs as well as mace, confronts protesters, clashes ensued and a number of arrests made. authorities say the caravan for the most part had left portland by the time of the shooting. it's unclear how the two are connected although the victim was wearing a far right hat. authorities are not naming him. they've also yet to arrest any suspects in connection with that shooting. andrea? >> thanks so much. bring in our panel.

nbc white house correspondent and "weekend today" co-heft peter alexander and mike memoli covering the biden campaign and "washington post" eugene robinson and associated press white house reporter jonathan lemire. peter alexander, first to you. put in context. you checked back with the white house after hallie's interview with the father and one of the sisters from jacob blake's family, and they said there had been no contact. your information from mark meadows? >> reporter: yes. specifically ben crump with hallie jackson earlier today said his office had not received any outreach from the white house. kayleigh mcenany said they efforted outreach. i asked the white house specifically for better guidance on what the disconnect here was and now hearing from a senior white house official that they say in fact they have had, left multiple messages made by the white house chief of staff mark meadows to the blake family, and they say that meadows has spoken multiple times to the blake

family's pastor including earlier this morning, but to this point, nothing arranged. they said they're hopeful something may be arranged even today. notable that they didn't reach out to ben crump as the attorney. that is the conduit that joe biden and kamala harris were able to use to speak to the family directly. that's the latest on where the situation stands. of course, the president is still, andrea, planning to go to kenosha. told again five minutes ago the plans hold he will go to kenosha tomorrow despite the criticism both from that city's mayor and that state's governor urging him not to come saying he will hinder the healing, they fear, by arriving there. the president will go. he will survey the damage, and visit with law enforcement as well. >> now, he says, eugene, he's going to meet with law enforcement and not indicated anything about the protesters. but he keeps praising the counterprotestors. and that's, of course, led to the accusations from joe biden

that he's trying to enflame all of this? >> well, i think he is enflaming it. i mean, he's picked a side. and he keeps coming out with these all caps law and order tweets. he thinks this is a, this is a good issue for him. he wants to take the side of law enforcement and against what he does not portray as a nationwide reckoning with systemic racism and outpouring of concern over that 400-year-old issue. he doesn't portray it that way. he portrays it as anarchy, as -- as senseless violence, and he wants to be on the law and order side of that, and specifically in wisconsin, he's hoping to drive to his side and to the

polls more of those white, working-class voters, who showed up for him in 2016, and unexpectedly gave him the state of wisconsin. i think he sees an opening there, and -- i mean, this is politics. this is donald trump playing politics with the safety of the citizens of kenosha, wisconsin. something we, we're not accustomed to seeing but we expect it coming from this president. >> and mike memoli, joe biden after a number of taunts from the president is going to give a speech in pittsburgh where you are today. notably, he's always started general election campaigns on labor day and the parade. my fondest memories of joe biden and campaign coverage are you, mike, running alongside him at these labor day rallies in pittsburgh. >> reporter: that's right! >> but, you know, and you keep up with him as a lot of us

can't. but the fact is that he is going to strongly criticize, as you've been reporting, criticize the president. they've shared one excerpt, he, if he stishgs to speech may believe mouthing the words "law and order" makes his strong but failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an armed militia in this kurccount shows how weak he is. an instant trying to control the president as well ascending a broader message. >> reporter: that's right, andrea. knop parade but i wore running shoes in case. clearly with the two conventions behind us in a different phase of the campaign. you heard the former vice president late last week talking about wanting to hit those battleground states in-person after labor day. and, of course, they're very, the campaign is aware at this point of what -- very concerning, a narrative that's taken hold.

especially as democrats digested the republican convention last week, listened to the president, his focus on his law and order message and wondering what has been a stable and fairly consistent lead for the former vice president in national and those battleground state polls might be holding at this point. so biden is coming here really ready to take that head-on. saying if the president wants to have a law and order campaign, he is ready to engage in that argument saying that the president can't stop violence when he's been sowing it, multiple crises, joe biden will say today, in this country. including unwarranted police violence, and a national reckoning on race, and a diminishing faith in optimism in the future. the common thread, biden will say, in all of these things is donald trump. so biden is sending a message to the party to not get too concerned just yet. no biden adviser i've talked to have not said they don't expect to see the polls tighten but we thant to make sure there's

confidence in the campaign and in the former vice president himself to continue to take the message directly to trump and not get distracted from the larger message. focus on the coronavirus, focus on an economic message which as eugene refers to, working-class voters here in western pennsylvania. you say, biden always considered a natural constituency of his and that's what they hope to send in terms of his message here today, andrea. >> and to jonathan lemire. you have a, noted this morning that so much of the trump campaign strategy is to make this election about anything but the coronavirus. that's exactly what the biden campaign, of course, wants to be the central focus. >> that's right, andrea. we have seen for months now the president trying to change the subject to "anything else." particularly it has not worked. earlier this summer, when the george floyd was killed under the knee of a white minneapolis police officer we saw the president seem very out of step and with the black lives matter

movement, and as well as with the marches from coast to coast. that he has internal polling suggested that. his campaign noted he was, these were movements with wide popular support and he seemed out of touch and tried to change the subject. heard it repeatedly. defense of confederate statues one and none seem to work. the trump campaign feels the game changed somewhat, and they think that now their data suggests in the last few weeks this issue started sliding their way. that they feel like that there are worried americans, whether suburbanites, seniors, women, whatever it might be, who now are concerned by the scenes of unrest, that are depicted in places like portland and kenosha. to be sure, this is the minority. most protesters are very peaceful. but those that have not been peaceful and a spasm of violence recently attracted headlines and shaped, the trump campaign believes, the contours of this race. they are leaning in hard on this and feel this is a good argument

to have in part because, yes, anytime they could have a fight about anything else that's not the pandemic, that's a win for them, they believe. they know so far this lace been a referendum on president trump's handling of coronavirus and american voters believe he has not done a good job. all polling suggests that. they're eager to take the fight to joe biden on another matter. aides privately said they're glad the former vice president accelerated his timetable getting back on the campaign trail it shows they believe he's worry and feel the more he's out there the more chance he has to stumble or to gaffe. or to give life to their argument he's not up for the job. >> and we will drill down on some of that very polling later in the program with steve kornacki. before we go, eugene, i want to end with a twitter flagging a video, a fake video. we hear a lot from the other side, the critics about fake news. this is fake video from

congressman steve scalise, the republican whip. his account as manipulated after tens of thousands of people viewed activist barkins ultra words making it seem like the activist who is severely, severely disabled spoke at the convention, the democratic it convention, with -- through a computer voice with als. pushing joe biden to defund police departments, something he has not done. i have lost my ability to speak but not my agency or my thoughts. your comments on that? this is through a public intermediate, and it took hours and hours for him to take down something that had been flagged by twitter. >> i know. this is disgusting. it's absolutely disgusting the way barkens, ady barkan, his

intention with words altered, invented language was added to a statement he had issued, and this is a warning i think of what kind of things we could see more of as the campaign goes on. i mean, these sort of deep-bake -- fabricationing on social media. especially. it's a lot easier to make these things, make them look and sound convincing and we have to really be ob guard against this happening again and again and again. and that's just the technological era we live in. it's possible to do and it's being done. it's awful. >> and we don't even know where and when it is already being done even by the russians who were really adept at this. >> uh-huh. >> which is -- another whole

issue we will also discuss later in the program when senator warner comes on from the intel committee. thank you so much. eugene robinson and jonathan lemire and peter alexander and mike memoli in pittsburgh. look forward to your reports, mike, coming up in the 1:00 hour. breaking news about a form other national security adviser general michael flynn, his case in court. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is with us. >> reporter: this is a setback for michael flynn, andrea, by a vote of 8-2, the u.s. court of appeals here in washington denied his request to have an order for the trial judge to dismiss the case. you remember, may remember, the justice department wanted to drop the prosecution. judge emmet sullivan said i actually want to hear from both sides to see what's behind his decision, whether it's in the public interests. flynn's lawyers went to the court of appeals saying, order him not to do, no the to do this. order him to drop the case. a three-jump panel of the court said it wouldn't do that and now the full court, said it would.

now the full court of appeals said, no. it goes back now to the trial judge. so it will go back to emmet sullivan. he may probably well hold a hearing on whether he should dismiss these charges. so this case lives on. it's a setback for michael flynn. 8-2. the two dissenting jumps appointed by president reagan, and president trump, andrea. >> and what about the other judges on this -- this is such an important court. >> reporter: the court of appeals here. right. court of appeals here in the district of columbia. jumps appointed by presidents obama and presidents clinton sort of dominate the speck group that heard this case. this is very fast action. the court heard the case just 20 days ago. this was an emergency motion and the court dealt with it extremely fast. now, in michael flynn, he could go to the supreme court and try to get them to issue this mandate order flynn asked, but odds are very remote of that.

>> pete williams with breaking news. thank you so much. and coronavirus cases are now topping 6 million in the united states. this as we're seeing more clusters on college campuses including more than 1,000 students testing positive at the university of alabama. a leading public health official joins us next after this quick break. eak. mornings were made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis. when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz... a pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis when methotrexate has not helped enough. xeljanz can help relieve joint pain and swelling, stiffness, and helps stop further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections.

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with ten states experiencing a rise in covid cases here are the facts at this hour. u.s. cases over the weekend surpassed 6 million, and the death toll is rising. already topping 184,000 people. the university of wisconsin announced today that they will be among the first sites in the country to take part in a phase iii clinical trial for a vaccine from oxford university and as tra astrazeneca. and at georgia tech cases more than doubled in the past week. at the university of alabama more than 1,000 positive cases reported in less than two weeks. and meanwhile, in florida, the health department published and

then deleted a report showing nearly 900 students and staffers testing positive from day cares and colleges in day cares alone this month. and nbc news kerry sanders is in florida. kerry what do we know about the positive cases in florida and how were they accidentally published and why weren't they published non-accidentally? the governor is pushing back right now. >> reporter: a lot of people, andrea, asking that question. why that information is not out there transparently. the governor saying that it was inadvertently published. the first day of school here in charlotte county, florida. every county in the state now open and as teachers return to the classroom and parents bringing their kids to the classroom in the back of everybody's mind, of course, is these statistics that the governor said should have never been made public, because he said they didn't have the context to understand, but the headline in the "miami herald" drawing attentiony mong

statistics found on this website, deep in the department of health, department of education website, was that 205 students and 342 staff members from primary and secondary schools tested positive. that's troubling for parents, but also for teachers. it is teachers who are, their union right now in a lawsuit with the governor and the state over the way the governor ordered the schools to reopen. this is what the president of the union had to say. >> they're trying to keep parents in the dark. and you can't keep parents in the dark when kids are at stake, which families are at stake. this is a virus that florida does not have under control. this is a virus that our governor refuses to deal with. wholeheartedly, and they are trying to keep information from people who are giving their kids to these public schools. >> reporter: the governor at a roundtable today in the state capitol talking about education, but making no mention of this inadvertent release of information. they do say, according to the

governor's office, that this information will be released, but in my efforts to reach out to the governor many office, to the department of health and the department of education, of when those numbers will be made available to parents, to the public, so people can start making more informed decisions, no answer at all. meantime, as we take a look at just what the problems of opening the scores are. take the fourth largest school district, which is doing online. virtual learning. take a look today. all kids getting on their computers and there's a second grader, and he along with so many others met with this notice there that says, there are issues. the computer is not working. so the school system that started in miami-dade today, really didn't start, because of the computer problems. problems they're working out, but, andrea, as so many people are looking at schools 0 epping opens across the country, versioned, safe to go with coronavirus and the same question of staying home. will there be an education, if

the computer system isn't working? andrea? >> i mean, kerry, i mean, just think. you get a youngster all excited about the first day of school, and it's going to be virtual at home but school nonetheless and then the computer is crashed. just -- >> reporter: yeah. >> household to household that is. >> reporter: the solutions, i know, frustrating for the kids and also, remember, there are parents home right now trying to balance the idea of their child in one room going to school while they're maybe in another room trying to work and, of course, now it's come tug on mom or dad's shoulder saying, it's not working. stepping away from work, trying to figure out the school problem. realizing it's a system problem, the school, not the home internet. it's not the start they were looking for in miami-dade county. >> indeed. kerry, thanks so much for bringing that update. and joining us now dr. michael ostrum director for center of disease and policy at university of minnesota. always good to talk to you.

get a reality check about these college spikes and we all know how important it is for parents, for the kids, for the college students, to get back to school. but what about concern about their health and safety? >> we're all concerned about the health and safety of the students, of the faculty, of the staff, of the parents and other siblings at home when the students return back from school if in school. i think the message we have to get across is number one we'll have cases. we've talked about this on this very program in weeks before. that with the opening of schools coming, with colleges, universities, high schools and grade schools we're going to see a substantial increase in cases. that's what's happening. i think the message we have to get across is that the virus is the enemy here. it's not the teacher, the administration parents or students. this is really our covid year. we have to understand, it's not going to be perfect. it's not going to work the way we surely want it to work or the way it worked in past. so how do we make it work the

best just to get us through this situation with this virus? >> and we hear from schools, many schools, working so hard for single rooms, for changing the meal service. shared bathrooms of course in many of the dorms which is a central problem, but it strikes me it's really the personal behavior of the college kids at that level, and you know this being on a campus. it's whether they're partying. whether there are off-campus parties. they really can't be patrolled as easily by the administrations of these colleges. >> right. you know, no institution, although there are college, a university or whether their a high school and in fact protect students from themselves when they're out and about, not on the campus or in the classroom. meaning, it's their behavior. some say, well your sound like you're blaining them. no. we're asking them to be responsible. just like we don't like them to drink too much, and get behind

the wheel and go home one night. understand you have a consequence if you get infected with this in the sense you can trans34i9 to others including those who might not be in the same risk category you are for a severe disease. meaning many of these people won't get severe disease but may pas it on to mom, dad, grandpa, grandma teachers that are sick. we're beginning to see a growing number of young, healthy adults who get infected and go on and develop a develop call it the long-hauler disease. not able to go back to work and live a normal life. it's a real challenge. you don't want infected with the virus. just don't. >> we hear of advances in testing. some of these advances, will it make it more practical for campuses to test all of the incoming students and repeatedly techt them? test them? >> testing is a very important

part of our response, but i have to be really clear. you cannot test your way out of this pandemic. you know? if i test you today it doesn't mean tonight you don't get infected and tomorrow, you're now in the community and within two, three days after that you transmit again. we have to understand. testing can be supportive it can help. end of the day it's about our own behavior it's distancing and distancing and distancing. right here in minnesota over 50 outbreaks in bars where young adult primarily congregated closely together, transmission occurred and now it's spreading through the community. again, we have to have people understand. the your behavior that will determine how this goes. how safe schools will be. how will your mom, dad, grandpa or grandma will be able to feel safe, or how, for that matter, long-term care facilities will keep the virus out. i can't make this message louder or clearer to young, healthy adults. i understand you want to party. i understand you're at that time

in your life where socializing like this is important, but if you do that the consequences today could be substantial. >> and, let me ask you quickly about herd immunity because the "washington post" is reporting that a fairly controversial new member of the white house task force, actually is pushes herd immunity. talking about from the hoover institution. not an infectious disease expert. sweden certainly discovered herd immunity does not work as way to mitigate the virus and its effects. >> well, as you well know, our center and i am not partisan. we try to call balls and strikes. i'll tell you right now herd immunity at that 50% to 70% level is still reality and nothing can change that relative to just somebody's personal belief. that's the science and we have to stay with the science. >> stay with the science is our mantra. thank you very much for helping us do that doctor.

good to see you. >> thank you. and we are now 64 days from the election. >> good to see you. >> well, 64 days out. why is the director of national intelligence calling off in-person briefings about protecting the vote? top democrat on the senate intelligence committee mark warner of virginia sharing his concerns, when we come back. stay with us on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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now to some new polling out of wisconsin as president trump plans to visit kenosha this week amid the unrest following the police shooting of jacob blake. what impacts might the tur mimo have on voters? steve kornacki, talk about the numbers. any indication how this is affecting sport-for-black lives matter and supports for the protests? >> yet to be see what's happening right now to affect

the polls but a bit of a hit already as this began to play out in the last week things were changing on the ground in wisconsin in terms of public opinion when it came to the protest movement, came to black lives matter. let me show you what i mean. back in june. this was taken right after the george floyd video, just as protests started to spring up across the country. the question here to wisconsin voter, the walpole was, do you approve or disapprove of the black lives matter movement? protests you're seeing. see here overwhelming support. almost getting close to 2-1 here. cut across party lines, across racial lines. very strong support in june. two months later, early august. they asked the question again. up see in wisconsin, there was a big shift here. a downward shift in terms of support here. the approved/disapproved vote, dead even. again, these numbers from about a week before kenosha. make sure you see it here.

these numbers are about a week before kenosha. it sets up the possibility here. look, already had been pretty significant movement. what will kenosha do? will it mean that approve number falls further? will it recharge support for black lives matter? that's the question. we want more numbers on it, but already started to see a trend here. the other thing we saw in wisconsin polling between june and august, joe biden led in both polls, but the lead was narrower in august. joe biden led by eight in the june poll over donald trump. only by four, cut in half, in the august poll, and there's a lot of overlap. look at the folks who say disapprove of blm. a lot of overlap there with the trump vote. again, the backdrop for this wisconsin, one of the closest states in 2016, absolutely critical to trump's re-election chances and it's a state here that had not gone republican in three decades until he flipped it. he's got to find a way to hold on to it, andrea.

>> steve, look at the third-party numbers in wisconsin and of course michigan and pennsylvania, because you're seeing a significant difference in our friends at first read seeing it -- it was much smaller than the combined 30-party vote? margin of victory for trump in the three critical states? >> you see it here. numbers, trump wins 47.8% of the vote. less than 1%. his margin over hillary clinton. gary johnson, remember gary johnson ran as the libertarian. got 3.6% of the vote. one row down. can't move it unfortunately. one row down you would see jill stein, the green party candidate. they accounted for fairly significant chunk of the vote relative to the margin between trump and clinton. if you take a look at the polling here. sorry about this. if you look at the polling here, again, mentioning first putting these numbers together, folks who voted for stein or for

johnson in 2016 now say, choosing between biden and trump. overwhelmingly, biden over trump. of course, unsure voting for other candidates as well, but if biden is getting a lot more of that johnson-stein vote, biden's getting a lot more of the johnson-stein vote you see the significance in a state like wisconsin. >> also replicated in the other two states. michigan and pennsylvania. steve, you'll be around. about a half hour, steve will be anchoring for chuck todd on "meet the press" daily at 1:00. joe biden speech in that hour as well. thanks again, steve. former house republican now director of national intelligence john ratcliffe announces over the weekend his agency will no longer briefings charged with oversight of that committee. the top democrat on the intelligence committee, always

in the past been bipartisan joins me now. senator, thank you very much. a lot of concern from the house side over this cutting off of the in-person briefings because we know in a statement first of all that's not sworn testimony when they send something in writing, that is released publicly, and they can't be questioned. can't be questioned about, you know, what are the other analysts saying and how do you reach these conclusions? according to ratcliffe, this weekend with fox business, he's saying it's because he thought that russia was unfairly being considered the biggest threat when he says china is the biggest threat. if you could unpack some of that? >> andrea, there's a lot to unpack there, and you know let me step back for a moment and one of the things i think we all would acknowledge. if the intelligence community and frankly even if the obama administration in 2016 had been more forward leaning about informing the american public of

russian interference in 2016, we'd be all better off. our committee, which has been bipartisan, we looked at the russia intervention, we finished five volumes we know russia is back doing it again. this time trying to discredit joe biden, and my theory is that what director ratcliffe is trying to do, limit the flow of information, not only to the congress, but to the american public. the people that should be really offended about this is the american public, because if they are going to be the objects of a disinformation campaign, and i think it is incumbent upon us to get that information out to the public and that directy ratcliffe is trying to limit that flow of information, not allowing intelligence professionals to come up and brief our committees and allow that give and take with an intelligence professional, which is, again, much more powerful than simply getting a written document, than we're not going to be able to do our job.

i don't think his decision can stand. senator rubio, acting chair and i had a number of conversations. conversations about this. again, i don't think this can stand both in terms of his legal obligation for the oversight committees and more importantly, the requirement to inform the american electorate. last point, just both of, mr. trump's prior directors of national intelligence, dan coats and john maguire made election security their top prioritiy. said absolutely think essential duty to inform the american public. i find it deeply disappointed ratcliffe does not seem to share that commitment. >> and both of them were fired in part for that. >> potentially fired because they told the truth! >> exactly. so one are the issues is russia particularly. when ratcliffe dni released

public threats to election security they tried to create, my words, a false equivalency between russia, china and iran. the president and the white house wanted to focus on china and iran, bad actors. you know. but that they were aspirational on behalf, china was aspirational, it suggested, on behalf of joe biden whereas russia was actually doing things on behalf of donald trump. and yesterday ratcliffe said it was, you know, falsely saying that russia was the biggest threat. seems that the focus on russia by many of the people coming out of the committees is what set the white house off and which may have led to this crackdown? >> well, if you look at even the trump administration's response, we were very concerned at the intel community, they were not being forthcoming. a career professional, somebody i have a lot of faith in, came out about two weeks ago with a, i think a clearer statement that

talked about russian attempts to discredit joe biden, naming ukrainian individuals, and one of the things we'd been trying to press is, let's even get more information about to the american public about the specifics of all three of these country's actions, but as you accurately point out, even the trump intelligence community is laying out much more specifics about russia and i think there are more that need to be laid out. >> it's very notable, also, there was not a joint statement from you and marco rubio. he had a lengthier statement friday also blasting the leaking. it seemed to be very carefully constructed to support the white house. >> senator rubio and i have a very good working relationship. i had a great working

relationship with richard burke, the permanent chairman and i think there has been concerns raised about the leaking, but if you look at senator rubio the last statement, which said, this was a crisis for the intelligence community and the obligation to report was there. so we may have gotten there in different ways but i think we are in agreement that this kind of stiff arm to the oversight committee, the one remaining bipartisan committee in this whole subject area cannot and should not stand and i think we're both on the same page with it. >> and we should point out you all have a stake in a therpd ir the senate and all on the ballot. all of you in congress aside from the presidential election have a stake whether or not there is foreign interference. >> yeah. that is absolutely the case. i mean, this election, i think

most of us, no matter who you're to, probably believe it the most important election of our lifetime. we have very differ views between a trump approach and a biden approach but also as you said, congress, and i myself am on the ballot and i want americans deciding this based upon, you know, the back and forth between the candidates and american points of view. i don't want anyone to be a victim of a disinformation or misinformation campaign from any foreign nation. and i think that is why we desperately need intelligence professionals, not simply political appointees, but intelligence professionals and giving their most responsible duty, which is drebriefing us a the public. so much of the intelligence committee work is usually the customers, the president or the customers of congress, or the customer is the combatant commander. but in this case in terms of election security, the actual

customer of the intelligence community's work is the american public, because they are going to be the ones that will be manipulated if the intelligence community doesn't lean forward with as much information as possible. of course, you know, protecting sources and methods, but nothing would be worse than to look back after the results and say, gosh. we should have told people more. >> senator warner, thank you very much. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, of the fda is rea to fast-track a coronavirus vacci vaccine. stay with us on msnbc. me here s vegas, do you? well... i thought we had a breakthrough with the volkswagen. we did. yes. we broke through. that's the volkswagen! that's the cross sport. wow. seatbelts. ♪

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transparent and science-driven way. proceeding under pressure right now, making a bad decision about the vaccine, will have many, many ramifications. not just for health, but beyond. >> and it's within the context, of course, of the president and the vice president both giving very optimistic projections of when a vaccine could be in use or when a vaccine could be approved. you already have 30% of the population who are normally anti-vax. so you've got skepticism to overcome, especially in the most vulnerable communities. >> that's absolutely right. this is so worrisome. first of all, we don't want political interference with the scientific decision-making that underlies critical regulatory

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