trump and voting for him again, the scare tactic may work. >> you can drive against the other and be the benefit. joe biden is not going to win the majority. the question is does he get the 38% or 39%. that's the big x-factor. >> cornell belcher, always great to talk to you on this stuff. we'll have you back soon. thank you very much. >> that's our show on a monday night. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> thank you for joining us. here is something we do not know until now. in november, you may remember a little bit of a health scare or at least a lot of health

questions raised about president trump. it was a saturday afternoon in mid-november and president trump was seemingly rushed off to walter reed medical center. it was surprised and it led a lot of questions to what may have went wrong for the president that may lead to a rushed trip. >> the president leaving on an unannounced trip to walter reed medical center with his personal physician right by his side. the saturday's visit was different from his two presidential physicals raising concerns of his health. those were on his official schedule took more than four hours and were not done in phases. >> that was late last year, mid november. the white house later cooked up

some weird story about how that sudden unannounced trip to walter reed had been a long plan segment of the president's annual physical and he was doing a bit of it as if physicals are a thing that's happening in the episode of the course of the season. it was very strange. that's not how physicals work. president trump is the oldest person ever elected to the presidency, even though joe biden is older than trump. biden's campaign, showing that biden running around and biking and lifting weights and looking strong while they show trump wobbling all over the place. the trump campaign responded claiming that biden is a frail one and trump's health is just fine.

>> even if they are going to contest the president on those grounds, there remains that unexplained walter reed trip. all but the most serious incidents without a president ever having to be rushed off campus from the white house to the hospital. rush he was. what was that all about? >> well, tomorrow this book comes out, it is called "donald trump verses the united states." inside the struggle to stop a president. it is by michael schmidt, we get a little bit of a hint of what may happen there on page 389. >> how about the constitution meant something or worth defending. the senate would almost certainly not convict but that

was not the point. this was for the record and for history. the whistle blower on the ukraine matter accomplished everyone before him and failed to do. he stopped president trump in his tracks and had him in the pack to be impeached. on a saturday afternoon in mid-november as democrats moved towards their impeachment vote, trump made an unexpected visit to the walter reed medical center. the white house profvided no details of the visit. i learn the hours leading up to trump's trip to the hospital, words went out for the vice president to be on stands by to take over the power of presidency temporarily if trump had to under go a procedure.

so we still don't know why president trump was rushed off to walter reed last november. we do know thanks to michael schmidt's reporting. whatever it was it was important enough and which on occasions may have mike pence be president. if you had to go to general anesthesia to have a physical, nobody would under go a physical. michael schmidt has been a scoop machine at t"the new york time." he has reported a lot. there is a lot that's new here. >> this is about the mueller investigation.

what the president thought he could do to get out of it if need be. this is amazing. in this case maybe a little lawyer and legal knowledge for this public servant may have been. this is from page 18. trump had initially put together a legal team of undisciplined lawyers. he thought he can use his twitter account to under cut robert mueller. he still copes with that danger with arrogance, the same way he managed predators and divorce lawyers throughout his public life. at one point his investigation

seems to be intensifying, he told don mcgahn that there was nothing to worry about. if it was zeroing in on him, he would settle with mueller. he would settle the case as if he were to negotiate in a law enforcement. robert mueller was not suing donald trump. why did he think he could settle the case? he thought he could pay mueller and that would make the mueller investigation go away? in michael schmidt's new book, that same white house house -- choosing most of trump's other traditional nominees because the president apparently had no idea and let mcgahn do it. mcgahn accepted the white house's job on the condition he's serving as a committee of one to determine who trump would nominate to the federal bench.

unlike previous administrations who spent months but not years carefully delivering a candidate for judicial nominations, mcgahn streamlined the process and read it out of his office. he present them to trump once he got a candidate. th the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell would ran them through the senate. and just in case the power of that is lost upon us. that decision making is being delegated without a thought to one white house employee. michael schmidt also reports in his new book that president trump's own proposals for who should be on the supreme court were number one, rudy giuliani, and number two, andrew

napolitano from fox news. but, instead he let mcgahn. of course, he's also a man who believed he could pay money to settle any adverse findings from the mueller investigations. so, here is more. michael schmidt describes in his book, president trump in april 18th, convincing himself that he personally, he the president could prosecute and lock up hillary clinton and james comey and he tried to. this is remarkable. this is on page 308 on michael schmi schmidt's new book which is out tomorrow. in an oval office meeting, the president complained to mcgahn

for his refusal to prosecute hillary clinton and james comey. trump wanted to order a session to prosecute them. he wanted to use his power to prosecute them on his own. it was a startling disclosure even for trump. immediately mcgahn realized that the president's determination to use the justice system to select prosecution against his enemies was an enormous problem. now his push for revenge of abuse of his power. trump shows mcgahn that the president has little idea how prosecutions actually function. the president has no power to order someone to be charged with a crime. first of all, mcgahn told the president you can't prosecute

anybody. if you do that, they're all going to quit. trump said he did not understand. he's the president, why can't he tell the justice department whom to prosecute. over the next fiver or ten pag, mike explains that don mcgahn prepared for president trump telling him that no, he could not personally prosecute anybody. schmidt quotes in part, mcgahn saying to the president in this memo, you asked what steps you may lawfully take if you disagree with the general or not to kconduct further investigation. the line seemed charitable to trump who had rarely asked his lawyers whether something he wanted to do was legal. yeah, in case you are thinking

of what a second term of the trump's presidency may be like. here is a little window of what he thinks he may ought to be able to do. as quoted, the legal guidance trump got from don mcgahn toll him he could not direct on his personal enemies. mcgahn warned him senior justice people would quit in protest. if the president tried to do that, he could be impeached or removed from office. think about where the president is at now. those were the warnings that kept him trying to do that. he's been impeached already and he was not removed because senate republicans did not want to hear it and now he got william barr at the justice department who seems to be doing anything to benefit the president. the justice department and the attorney general -- he's not going to fire the attorney general to get him to do

whatever he wants. what won't bill barr do for this president? he clearly does not have to worry about impeachment being removed from office. do you think the president would feel constrained by those bounds? michael schmidt at "the new york times" was first to break the news trump told fbi director james comey that he wanted him to go easy on mike flynn, basically to ease up in that criminal case against flynn. comey would not agree to that and comey got fired and threatened with prosecution by the president for his troubles. flynn did get prosecuted by the justice department four times. once president trump got his new attorney general, bill barr, he followed through on that whole

request on trump and he did drop the charges on flynn. if barr dropped those charges on flynn for improper reasons, the judge does not have to go along with it. this stuff is all still alive and all working his way through the courts. with reporting like this, we know so much more about it. schmidt reports in the lead up to the 2016 elections, the intelligence community knew of what he was doing but they did not get it. they could observe that russia was hacking documents and just wanting secrets. they did not realize at all that the russians were going to take that information and repurpose it. they were going to dump it back to the american public and the american media as misinformation to try to hurt hillary clinton's

chances of becoming president. if you were hoping congressional leadership may have been attuned, michael schmidt reports, mitch mcconnell fell asleep in the summer of 2016 in the middle of a class briefing on what russia was doing. senator mcconnell is denying that but it is reported in schmidt's report. classified briefing is when they give you good stuff. michael schmidt reports that trump tried the you must be loyal to me thing that he did with comey on another potential fbi director. the day after the president fired comey, trump had called john kelly, who was secretary of the department of homeland security. trump told john kelly he wanted him to be the next fbi director tchlt preside . the president added something else. kelly needed to be loyal to him

and only him. kelly immediately realized the problem of trump's request for loyalty. he pushed back on the president's demand. kelly says he's loyal to the constitution of law but refused to pledge his loyalty to trump. the president demands for loyalty tracks with comey's experience with trump. here was another senior administration official, a demand that had come the very day after comey was fired. schmidt goes onto explain how mueller's team demanded a longer interview with john kelly.

>> there is also -- i should tell you on the john kelly front. there is a moment in which john kelly describes something about trump as the equivalent of french kissing a chain saw? i could not explain all that part with you but you will have to read the book for that one. michael schmidt also reports in this new book the back story of how white house officials tried to stop juared kushner and the president's daughter from getting top levels security clearances because of some warning that turned up into the investigation of whether or not they should be qualified for that. john kelly was briefed on which led to a strong recommendation that jared kushner not receiving a top level clearance. never the less, the president

ov overruled that objection and said that kushner should get one as well as ivanka. mcga memoir r the memo was only one paragraph, it says this, the president of the united states has ordered that jared kushner and ivanka trump be allowed to access national security information up to the top secret level. jared kushner and ivanka trump shall be granted top secret security clearances. you got the white house councils and the chief of staff having been briefed on highly

compartmented classified information that led officials to say no, these people can't have high level security. they made it clear to the president, the president said, i don't care. they do so and write a memo to file and memoir ralizingmemoira. that's how we protect national security now. the thing that schmidt wrote that's most unnerving is about the president himself and something that we all thought had happened. since i got a hold on schmidt's book, i have tossed and turned about this. i find this upsetting and unsettled. here is the major news here.

this is from a quote here. "it would take me a year to put together the pieces of what i believe is the most important parts of the mueller report of what it did not contain. back at may 2017, the fbi opened two investigations into whether trump obstructed justice. when mueller took over the investigation, mccabe briefed him on this. over nearly 200 pages, mueller's team took on the question of whether trump obstructed justice. nowhere in the report was there thorough investigation of trump's ties to russia." . in reporting for this book, i spoke to several people involving in the mueller investigation, they told me the investigation never under took trump's business ties to russia. for instance, they said,

investigators threw a financial document that may show trump's ties to russia but they never showed them. mueller never explained himself. if the american public expected mueller to answer questions to the president's loyaltie loyalties -- reporting from this book schmidt says, i discovered why. but, in handing off the investigation from mccabe and the fbi to mueller, rosenstein suspended the counter intelligence into trump. again, this is the investigation basically whether trump is a foreign agent or compromised by a hostile foreign power. rosenstein called off that part

of the investigation. rosenstein believed to open the inquiry and the first place is precipitous and premature without informing mccabe. rosenstein told mueller that his investigation should concentrate on whether or not crimes were committed. if mueller's prosecutor wanted to expand the investigation, they should come back to ro rosenstein and ask the attorney general to do so. just trying to factor this in and trying to factor this into what we have learned over the past few years, right? there has been public reporting that we have all been aware of for years now that the fbi opened a criminal investigation into the russian interference

into our elections and a counter investigation whether the president is or was a russian agent. when that second investigation did not turn up in the mueller report, we assumed that mueller had not done it but that investigation had been continued by the fbi outside of mueller's purvi purview. indeed on page 13, mueller and his team says any intelligence stuff they turned up, they fed back to the fbi. for the fbi to hand m le it on their own, separate apart from what mueller was doing. in this book, schmidt reports that mueller did not investigate

but neither the fbi. rosenstein told them they could not do it. the intelligence report that we learned two weeks ago did not look at it either. nobody has done it. all these years in, no entities of the u.s. government ever investigated whether the president compromised his relationship with the russians. all these years, why not? why nt ♪ don't just think about where you're headed this summer. think about how you'll get there. ♪ and now that you can lease or buy a new lincoln remotely or in person... ♪ discovering that feeling has never been more effortless. ♪ it's the final days of the lincoln summer invitation sales event.

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"the new york times" was the first news organization to break the news that president trump a asked comey to go easy on michael flynn. they revealed that comey written memos documented that.

that came out from the report of mike schmidt. trump called james comey pressuring him. then t the president asked jeff sessions to go back and take control of the mueller investigation after general sessions already recused himself. that was reporter mike schmidt. schmidt was the first to report that trump ordered robert mueller to be fired and only backing off when mcgahn threatened to quit. mcgahn cooperated extensively with mueller's investigation, that too was reporting by mike schmidt. in the days after james comey was fired, the fbi opened an inquiry into whether or not president trump was working as a

russian agent. he was first to break the news that trump had wanted his justice department to prosecute political adversary including hillary clinton and james comey. on top of story after story on the russia investigation, michael schmidt was the first to report that is president trump over ruled national security officials in order to give son-in-law, jared kushner, top secret authority. now with this new book that he's got out tomorrow, he's breaking even more news. many revelations that the fact that no elements of the u.s. or including the fbi ever examined president trump's ties to russia including his financial ties. it is not that anybody looked into that. no one has ever looked and not

the fbi or not mueller or the intelligence committees, no one. joining us now is michael schmidt, the new book is called "donald trump verses the united states." mr. schmidt, congratulations on this. thank you for being here for the first interview. >> thank you for having me. so i have head enough of this stuff and i know you are thinking nobody is going to read the book because rachel read so much of it. i want to zoom in on what feels to me like the very heavy revelation you land on about there not being any counter intelligence investigation of the president. how does this -- how should people understand the importance of this and how different is this from what we understood about what had been looked into and what happened? >> i think that the media and a

lot of folks in the country assumes that robert mueller was doing something that he was not. and then he was going to be coming down from the hill and get to the bottom of all these questions. in the midst of the mueller investigation, we reported that the counter intelligence investigation had been open but when the mueller report comes out, there is nothing there. it is not there. there is all this stuff on obstruction but there is nothing on trump's long standing ties to russia. if you look at the questions that mueller wanted to ask the president, it is all stuff related to 2016. it is not stuff about his history. you looked at this and i said well, we wrote this story about the counter intelligence investigation and we learned that mccabe learned about the

intent, whe incident, where did it go? i thought it was important to try and make it clear to the public that these questions were not answered by mueller. mueller said this in his testimony on capitol hill. he answered these questions but it never got the attention for the whole public, sort of digest and understand it. i went back and i looked at that testimony and i said i need to try and tell as much of that story as possible. i don't think people understood what the russia investigation was. i think they thought it was something that maybe it was.

>> mike, why did rod rosenstein not tell andrew mccabe that he approved this investigation. it seems like the fbi was under the investigation that mueller had taken that over and mueller the way he wrote about his report indicates that he thought he was feeding that stuff back to the fbi, you reported that it ended up in minority neither of camps. >> rosenstein felt that mccabe and the fbi was out of control. rosenstein felt that mccabe may have conflicts of interests and the bureau was grieving over the firing of comey.

here with the fbi opening up the most extraordinary investigation that you can open on a presidenpresiden president. is the president compromised by our chief foreign adversary? rosenstein did not want this to turn to a fishing expedition. rosenstein thought that it was a secret that the president had an affinity on russia and he essentially run on that and this was not something that should be under taken. he says to mueller if you guys want to do more. you can come back and ask for that. he tells mueller to focus on the 2016 election, focus on whether crimes were committed as part of them. >> clearly though, at the leadership level at the fbi, they were not under -- they did

not have the same understanding about this. i want to play a quick clip for mandie mccabe for 60 minutes and why he thought it was safe. this is clip number two. if you can play this in a way that mike can hear it and so as our viewers. >> that was the team investigating the russia cases and i asked the team to go back and conduct an assessment to determine where are we with these efforts and what steps do we noeed to take going forward. i was concerned that i was able to put the russia case on solid ground that were i removed quickly or fired that the case could not be closed or vanish in the night without a trace. >> you wanted a documentary record? >> yes, that's right. >> you fear that they would be

made to go away. >> that's exactly right. >> andrew mccabe thought he had made sure that the counter intelligence case could not vanish in the night and could not be made to go away. seems like that's what happened. >> well, this is about the eight days in may between the firing of comey and the appointment of mueller. comey is fired and the white house relies on a document created by rosenstein as the white house rational for his dismissal. mccabe and the investigators sat down and opened up the investigation and they believe they opening it he'll be protecting it and he'll be creating a paper trail and he's pushing rosenstein to appoint a special council. we need a special council and if

we had one in the clinton's e-mail case, we would be in the footing. mccabe thinks it is one of the greatest establishmeaccomplishm life. he had opened up these investigations and bob mueller is going to take these over. he'll be safe for these investigations and mccabe goes and briefs muellers on these investigations and he assumes for the remainder of his ti time -- mccabe two years later picks at the mueller report and looks at it and says it is not there. >> michael schmidt, the author of "donald trump verses the united states" which comes out

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so as we have been reporting the new book out tomorrow from the new york sometimes from michael schmidt reports the startling news that nobody and not the mueller investigation and the fbi has ever done a counter intelligence investigation into president trump's ties to russia and whether there is anything there, financial, business or otherwise that may indicate he could be compromised. nobody ever looked at it. we got that news coming out tomorrow in michael schmidt's

book. congress will be cut-off tomorrow when it comes to the question of russia and foreign adversary interfering in the election. just weeks before the elections, they're no longer doing briefings. joining us now is congressman, thank you for unijoining us. now, what congress won't be allowed to ask questions about. are you worried this is going to

materially change what congress knows and what you know about what's going on with this election? >> yes, we are not helpless. chairman schiff is leading us that we are pursuing the deutsche bank records. with this president, corruption is a reflex. in 2016 where the russians were trying to corrupt our community, donald trump was not. he continues to corrupt information. what we must do is to put in place guard rails to protect the upcoming elections and in a post trump world make sure we put back everything that he caused damage to. >> whether we'll have a post trump world any time soon, i know a lot of the intelligence

committees information is stuff that you can't discuss publicly, we have heard reference from democrats on the senate intelligence committee that the information about current foreign interference efforts in 2020 is quite serious stuff and it is not just a replay of 2016 as alarming as that was. there is new information and there is something that requires significant national vigilance. can you tell what the public need to know or we don't otherwise have our arms around? >> the american people must know what the russians try to do. this president is not worried of being reelected without a plan for covid. he has no plan for covid and he can't win an election for russian interference or sabotaging the mail or conveying the mission. instead we are left with his director of national

intelligence putting out these threats that you have china and iran and russia trying to meddle into our elections. that's russia and there is a lot more i wish i could say about that. the president is troo and his t trying to keep it from the american people. >> this news about the dni saying that he's no longer going to brief between now and the elections. both of trump's previous director national intelligence were both fired after refusing basically to go along with the president's line on russia. dan coats was fired after he refused to lie to the public about a judgment that russia favored trump in the 2016

elections and judge mcguirre was fired and now a new national intelligence wants to not get fired for the same reason. i wonder if this means that the office of director of national intelligence something in which you lost confidence, should be odni still exists whether ratliff is the right man for that job. >> the office is used to we s n weaponize intelligence. look, rachel, we must make sure we receive intelligence assessment from officials. right now that's not what we are

receiving. we have 65 days to go. this is our last chance but the president who's the first impeached president to run for reelection and the first president who's facing criminal charges if he's not reelected is willing to do anything to win and sacrifice any value that we all treasure to do so. and so we must get it right in congress. your viewers are not helping us either. they have to ask themselves, what are they willing to do to save their country, i hope at least being willing to vote and ask others to vote as well. >> governor eric swawell, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> all right, we'll be back soon. >> all right, we'll be back soon you can trust. >> tech: so if you have auto glass damage, stay safe with safelite. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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one thing to watch for in tomorrow's news, two interesting democratic primaries in the great state of massachusetts. ed markey is facing a challenge from joe kennedy. also, the chairman of the ways and means committee in the house, democratic congressman ritchie neal is facing a quite strong challenge from the mayor of massachusetts, a young rising star named alex morse. but that's going to do it for us tonight. see you again tomorrow night. now it's time for "the last word" with the great lawrence o'donnell. >> of course in massachusetts, those fights are about a democrat replacing a democrat, and in the senate race they're spending over $25