that is going to do it for us tonight. i'm sorry to be a few seconds into my neighbor's real estate here. now it is time for "the last m but i'll see you again tomorrow night. first look is up next. amid nationwide unrest, president trump visits kenosha, wisconsin. he blamed the recent violence there on domestic terror without actually addressing the reason for the anger and protests shooting of jacob blake. plus, the trump administration says the united states will not join a global effort co-led by the world health organization to develop, manufacture, and distribute a coronavirus vaccine. and new questions about the president's health after he posted a tweet denying that he went to walter reed medical center last month after suffering, quote, a series of

mini strokes. ♪ good morning, it's wednesday, september 2nd, i'm alessia alessia menendez. given another opportunity to promote healing and unity after the unrest that followed the police shooting of jacob blake, the president instead chose to promote his campaign message of law and order. he did not meet with blake's family, but he did speak alongside the kenosha police chief and county sheriff. as the ap zeke miller andon that lemire note, trump stood at the epicenter of the latest eruption over racial injustice and came down squarely on the side of law enforcement. he dodged questions about systemic racism and took credit for quelling the violence in the blake shooting when the governor used his own authority to call in the national guard in additional to federal reinforcement. the president made clear even

before he afliefd wisconsrrived the purpose of his visit. >> i'm speaking there today, i'm there for law enforcement and the national guard because they've done a great job in kenosha. then put out the flame immediately. soon as they came in, boom, the flame was gone. now maybe it will start up again, in which case they'll put it out very powerfully. >> mr. president, can you speak at all, you spoke a lot about the anarchy that you're referring to. what about racial divisions? would you like to bridge some of those gaps and use it for anything -- >> i would. >> -- that you're saying is helping with that? >> think it's helping because i'm about law and order. >> do you think systemic racism is a problem in this country? >> well, you know, you just keep getting back to the opposite subject. we should talk about the kind of violence that we've seen in portland and here and other places. it's tremendous violence. you always get to the other side what do you think about this or that in the fact is we've seen tremendous violence. and we will put it out very, very quickly if given the

chance. that's what this is all about. >> the president did not mention blake's name. the only thing he said about the 29-year-old is that he, quote, feels terribly for anybody who goes through that. joe biden seas campaign unveiled a new television ad that includes portions of his speech condemning the violence and some of the protests around the nation. >> i want to make it absolutely clear rioting is not protesting. luting is not protesting. it's lawlessness, plain and simple. and those who do it should be prosecuted. fires are burning and we have a president who fans the flames. he can't stop the violence because for years he's fomented it. but his failure to call on his own supporters to stopped acting as an armed militia in this country shows how weak he is. violence will not bring change. it will only bring destruction. it's wrong in every way. if i were president, my language

would be less divisive. i'd be looking to lower the temperature in this country, not raise it. donald trump is determined continue to still fear in america, because donald trump adds fuel to every fire. this is not who we are. i believe to be guided by the words of pope john paul ii, be not afraid. i'm joe biden and i approve this message. >> the ad is part of a $45 million television and digital advertising buy, the largest to date, and it's currently scheduled to run for one week. joining me now, white house and washington reporter for "politico," daniel litman. the reason protests have emerge as a sharp dividing line in these presidential campaigns, are we going to continue to see this as a focal point through november? >> i think as long as there are protests and looting and rioting

in certain cities, this will be a campaign issue. joe biden's campaign feels like they can take advantage of this because they can say i'm not president yet, this is donald trump's america, why isn't he stopping this violence? >> let's talk about president trump's trip to kenosha. how do you think his message on law and order was received? who was that message meant for? >> i don't think it's meant for many of the people in kenosha themselves because the mayor, the governor, they did not want trump there. they think that he has not properly condemned the violence from his supporters and so this message is for suburban people everywhere saying, i don't like what trump says, i don't like his rhetoric, but i don't want violence to be seen in american cities. and i like his message of law and order. it's, you know, it's kind of hard for him to make the case because, you know, he is not condemning the kyle rittenhouse and there's lots of areas where

he has not lowered the temperature. but, i think voters have to decide who they want as the, you know, shining person who can actually bring the country together. >> all right, daniel litman, thanks for your time. i will talk to you again in a little bit. more than 1 million mail-in ballots were delivered to voters late in the 2020 primary elections. that's according to a new report from the united states postal services inspector general in an audit released yesterday. in a survey of mail-in ballots setting primary elections from june 2nd to the 13th, the watchdog group failed that 1 million were mailed during the final week of the election, putting those ballots at high risk of not making it back to election officials in time to be counted. the latest report underscores concerns about the logistics of widespread voting by mail ahead of november's general election. president trump was asked by reporters yesterday for more information on the plot he

alluded to in a fox news interview that aired monday night about a group of people dressed in black gathering on a fle plane to disrupt the rnc. here's what president trump said first on fox news followed by what he told reporters yesterday. >> biden is -- i don't even like to mention biden because he's not controlling anything. >> who do you think is pulling biden's strings? is it former obama officials? >> people that you've never heard of. people that are in the dark shadows. >> what does that seen in that sounds like conspiracy theories. what is that? >> they're people that you haven't heard of. they're people that are on the streets. they're people that are controlling the streets. we had somebody get on a plane from a certain city this weekend, and in the plane it was almost completely loaded with thugs wearing these dark uniforms, black uniforms with gear and this and that. they're on a plane. >> where's -- >> i'll tell you sometime but it's under investigation right now. >> a person was on a plane, said

that there were about six people like that person more or less, and what happened is the entire plane filled up with the looters, the anarchist, the rioters, people that were looking for trouble. and the person felt very uncomfortable on the plane. this would be a person you'd know, so i will see whether or not i can get that person, i'll let them know and i'll see whether or not i can get that person to speak to you. but this was a first-hand account of a plane going from washington to wherever. and i'll see if i can get that information for you. maybe they'll speak to you, maybe they won't. >> the president's conspiracy theory about a plane, quote, loaded with thugs matches a rumor that went around facebook three months ago. there is no evidence of any such flight. as intelligence agencies have been warning for months of foreign attempts to situate upcoming presidential election, now facebook and twitter say they have evidence of russia trying to influence left-leaning

voters on their platforms. the same group behind russia's 2016 disinformation campaign known as the internet research agency is linked with small network of fake facebook accounts and pages directing users to a left-leaning website called peace data. the fake website reportedly recruited u.s. journalists to write critical articles of joe biden and his running mate kamala harris. acting on a tip from the fbi, facebook said it took down 13 accounts and two pages early before they had a chance to amass a large following. still ahead, the latest in the legal battle over president trump's tax returns. a federal appeals court grants another delay in turns over the documents to the manhattan district attorney. plus the justice department is reportedly preparing a charge of former top fundraiser for donald trump and the republican national committee. those stories and a check on weather when we come right back. n weather when we come right back.

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a federal appeals court panel in new york yesterday ruled that eight years of the president's financial documents will not be turned over to manhattan prosecutors while the court considers the appeal. the temporary delay follows manhattan da sire russ grant's appeal not to take it to the higher court. they denied the president's arguments that the grand jury suspect for the financial records was overboard and amounted to harassment. yesterday's order will remain in each infect until after the appellate court decides whether it agrees. argument is set for december 25th. p . a long time fundraiser may be in trouble after lobbying on behalf of a senior official. elliot has been under investigation for his role in a chinese campaign to persuade

high-level trump administration officials to extradite a china dissident back to beijing. according to charging documents, one of his associates pleaded guilty monday to aiding and abetting the efforts of two people involved in a, quote, back channel lobbying campaign tend to the corruption case. it's the chinese billionaire who ends the yacht former white house chief strategist steve bannon was on at the time of his arrest last month on charges of conspiracy to commit fraud and money laundering. sources told the post that he has been in discussions with the justice department and may reach a plea deal. joining me now, nbc legal analysts, danny cevallos danny, is this a case to register or are there other crimes being alleged here? >> so far it's mostly just the failure to register as a foreign agent. this is activity that otherwise

could be lawful, but if you're a lobbyist and you aren't registered with the proper agency, then you are committing a federal crime. and what i see from at least this recent guilty plea is that this is classic federal prosecutor 101, they're going with the low-hanging fruit and pleading guilty and the dominos will fall upward. i'm using too many metaphors here, but the point is they usually go after the small fish, work their way up to the big fish. >> danny, while i have you, t decision to hold the president's financial records until the appeal is heard, you read anything into that? >> it's not that big of a surprise. in appeals court time, a delay from september 1 to the end of september is a very short period of time. but in terms of election time, it is an era, an eon because the election is just a matter of days away. i

yield a fruits before the actual election. so while this delay is not that much of a surprise, it could have a huge effect, or at least a tangential effect on the election in november. >> that nine weeks coming close. >> something like that. >> danny cevallos thank you. still ahead, president trump visits the 2016 election falsely suggesting that he won the popular vote. back with a fact check, next. a lotta folks are asking me lately

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senator ed markey held off a primary challenge from representative joe kennedy iii handing the kennedy its first ever electoral loss in massachusetts. the kennedy spokesman said the congressman called markey last night and congratulated him on his win. with about 75% of the vote counted, markey held an eight-point lead over kennedy. the associated press called the race for markey with about 40%

of the vote in, markey holding a 20-point lead over his challenger. the primary battle intensified in recent weeks with kennedy hammering markey on buts abussi. markey took aim at the kennedy family playing off the john f. kennedy line it's not what your country can do for you, it's what you can do for you. markey spun off saying with all due respect it's time to ask what your country can ask for you. during the interview with laura ingraham, the president falsely suggested that he won the popular vote in the 2016 election due to cheating. >> i think i did win the popular vote in a sense. i think there was tremendous cheating in california. there was tremendous cheating in new york and other places. >> according to official election results, the president lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million to hillary clinton in 2016. well, for a look at your

forecast, let's go to meteorologist bill karins. hey, bill. >> hey, good morning, great to see you again. a couple of interesting weather stories going on as we transition into september. we've got interesting changes that are going to take place across the country. summer's coming to an end for some and amplifying for others. the first concern is flash flooding. we've had another big round of storms around texas and texarkana. we've got roughly, 11, 10 million people under flash flood watch. a couple of warnings out there but another round of heavy rain. it has cooled off in texas but we didn't want four straight days of heavy rains and damage and flooding. rainfall, most is towards dallas southward towards waco and austin. people in little rock, prepare for a good period of rain. some of that is going to pass into kentucky and northern portions of tennessee. here's the other story, we just finished what we call meteorological summer.

three months of june, july and august. it's easier to go month to month than the actual days of so solstice. phoenix just had the hottest summer ever. today it's 102 in in phoenix. notice it's a dry area. we don't have problems with the heat sand tand the heat index. tomorrow, phoenix is 106. lake havasu, 109. heat building in los angeles and farther to the north. look, this heat wave is going to be a prolonged heated wave. vegas will be 110 plus, friday, saturday, sunday. same and los angeles, downtown, 100. sunday, 102. so, yeah, you can imagine if we

have the fire danger also with conditions like that. so the forecast for today, there will be passing showers and thunderstorms, have the umbrella handy from boston and new york, d.c. in the afternoon. hot in the southeast. and tomorrow, we'll also be watching the heat in the southeast. a little hint of things to come in the northern plains. temperatures only in the 60s. but it's been one of the hottest summers of record in numerous places. we see areas even in the northeast reporting their hottest summer ever. it's kind of a trend in the new world with climate change. >> all right, bill, thank you so much for that report. still ahead, president trump repeats a false conspiracy theory about coronavirus deaths pushed by a qanon supporter. plus, new york city, home to the nation's largest school district, delays in-person learning from pushback, after pushback from teachers. those stories and more, next. ♪ sometimes you want to go

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♪ welcome back. i'm alicia menendez. we begin this half hour with part 2 of an interview with fox host laura ingraham that aired last night in which president trump offered a conspiracy theory about the cdc and deaths. take a look. >> by the way, i saw a statistic come out the other day talking about 6% of the people actually died from covid which is very interesting but they died -- >> well, co-morbidities which you've got criticized for.

for the 2 or 4%, the key morbidity to hit them. >> it could be. but it's an interesting statistic. >> over the weekend, president trump retweeted a post that falsely claimed that the cdc had updated its numbers to, quote, admit that only 6% of people listed as coronavirus deaths actually died from covid. twitter removed the tweet on sunday, saying it violated the site's rules. the original tweet was posted by a support of the baseless qanon conspiracy theory. what the cdc actually said in a report published last month was that for 6% of the deaths, covid-19 was the only cause mentioned. according to the agency, the other 94% of coronavirus deaths had underlying conditions. a panel from the national institutes of health says there is no evidence to back the use of convalescent plasma to treat coronavirus patients. the committee of more than three

dozen experts released a statement saying that the data is too insufficient to determine the efficacy and safety of convalescent plasma for the treatment of covid-19. the panel also emphasized that convalescent plasma should not be haved in standard treatment of patients with covid-19. the statement was posted less than ten days after the food and drug administration authorized emergency use of the treatment. in the race to find a cure for covid-19, the trump administration says the u.s. will not participate in a global effort to develop a vaccine. the decision to go it alone first reported by "the washington post," comes in part, because the white house does not want to be constrained by multilateral groups like the world health organization. and follows the decision to pull the u.s. out of the w.h.o. back in july. according to the post, more than 170 countries are in talks to participate in the covid-19 vaccine's global access facility which aims to speed vaccine

developments. the condition is effectively a doubling-down by the administration on its bet that the nation will win the vaccine race. in a statement to nbc news, the white house said in part, quote, the united states will continue to engage our international partners to ensure we defeat this virus, but we will not be constrained by multilateral organizations influenced by the corrupt world health organization and china." students and teachers are back to school in wuhan, china, for the first time until seven months since becoming the original epicenter for the coronavirus. more than 2800 institutions in that town welcomed students yesterday. schools were ordered to stock up on disease-control equipment and carry out drills and training to prepare for a new outbreak. the city also has an emergency plan to go back to online teaching in case of a

resurgence. meanwhile the state's largest public school districts, new york public schools is delaying in-person classes to september 21st. educators pushed back saying they needed more time to properly reopen to welcome the city's 1.1 million students. mayor bill de blasio were locked in last-minute negotiations but de blasio ultimately agreed to a key demand to mandate 20% of all students and staff in all school facilities starting next month. those who won't agree will not about allowed in the school buildings. earlier this month, the chicago school districts announced they will not hold in-person classes until the coronavirus is contained in their cities. joe biden is expected to deliver remarks after how to safely open schools after he and dr. jill

biden receive a briefing from delaware. yesterday, dr. jill biden a long-term educator cited the school. after joe biden made a stop in pittsburgh. joining me now, dan lipmann. let's discuss the administration's effort to develop a covid vaccine and what are you hearing and what are the implications you're hearing from this? >> it's a big bet we can actually get it on our season, when in fact the whole world is working on vaccine research. experts say it's not a good idea. therefore, we're foreclosing our ability to get good vaccines from other countries, if needed. and if they get first, in this global vaccine race. it's not a guarantee that we will be able to develop the first safe effective one here in the u.s. >> right. president trump continues to spread the false claim about coronavirus death statistics

made by qanon. how is his voter base reacting to this far-right conspiracy movement? >> most of his voters don't believe in it. many of them haven't even heard of it. but he's definitely stoking the fires of people who do believe it. they think trump is the savior of all mankind. but vice president mike pence, he's distanced himself from it. so, anytime president trump says something like this or doesn't fully, you know, disabuse their country of this type of conspiracy theory, many of his supporters kind of just ignore it. they don't want to talk about it and they're embarrassed to hear it brought up. >> so, if that's the case, what is the advantage of the president of kopcontinuing to repeat this? >> well, he knows that, you know, this theory is not going to tilt people people who are already against him. they're not going to vote for him. but he wants to capture the

energy of his, you know, true base, a small portion of which believes in this theory. and he doesn't want to turn them off by saying, hey, this is complete bonkers. he thinks that maybe if he did say that that would hurt his chances of getting their votes and having them show up to vote until november. so, it's kind of a cynical political ploy. >> politico's daniel lipmann, thank you for joining us. >> thanks. we wanted to take a deeper diver into a poll we reported on monday. in the latest usc poll biden leads tread 53% to 40%. biden is up among suburban voters by 13 points and among urban voters by 41%. the former vice president also holds an edge among men by four points. among white college-educated voters by 13 points. and among voters without a college degree by 2.

as for those who did not vote in 2016 because they were not of age or chose not to, biden leads the president 52% to 34%. new polling out this morning from the grinnell shows biden leading 49% to 41%. when breaking those numbers down among several key demographics, biden holds a 22% lead among women. while president trump holds favor and men six points. biden is also up among suburban women by 33 point. and by urban americans by 26 points. biden also holds substantial leads among all americans under the age of 55. trump is leading among those age 55 and above. looking at president trump's handling of key issues facing our nation today, just 39% of voters approve of his handling of the coronavirus.

and only 39% approve of his handling of race relations. and 52% approve of his handling of the economy. 41% disapprove. still ahead, president trump draws attention to unreported claims that he suffered a series of mini strokes. those deals coming up next. your "first look" at "morning joe" is back in a moment. facing leaks takes strength, so here's to the strong,

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and helping small businesses recover. so what happens now? we elect a president who will build back better. i'm joe biden and i approve this message. thereyou're not good enough hard to control but i am enough music and i know what i'm made of put your skin in the game with a razor that puts your skin first venus my skin. my way. welcome back. the white house physician issued a statement yesterday in response to recent public comments regarding the president's health. saying that president trump, quote, has not experienced nor been evaluated for a stroke or mini stroke. the statement comes after a new book by "the new york times" writer michael schmidt said that vice president mike pence was on standby to take over the powers of the presidency, temporarily, during trump's sudden visit to

walter reed medical center last november. pence yesterday denied that report. >> president donald trump is in excellent health. and i'm always informed of the president's movements. and whether it was that day or any other day, i'm informed. but there was no -- there was nothing out of the ordinary about that moment. or that day. and i just refer any other questions to the white house physician. but as far as being on standby, i don't recall being told to be on standby. i was informed that the president had a doctor's appointment. >> understand -- >> but i've got to tell you, part of this job, is you're always on standby. as your vice president of the united states. but the american people can be confident that this president is in remarkable good health. and every single day, i see that energy and high relief. >> the white house has never fully explained trump's visits

to walter reed, describing it only as routine, planned, interim checkup. according to axios, schmidt's report does not mention anything about a stroke, but a few commentators on twitter suggested without evidence it's a possibility. the president drew passengers to the attention to their claims yesterday saying pence was never on standby while denying that e he, quote, suffered a series of mini strokes. it was in respond to joe lockhart who asked did donald trump have a strike which he is hiding from the american public? the trump campaign went after lockhart saying in part, cnn should fire joe lockhart for pushing a conspiracy theory about president trump's health. also worth noting that the president's trip yesterday to walter reed in november contradicts his initial

statement. trump said yesterday he was there to complete list physical. but on the morning after the visit, he said he only began phase one of the exam and it would be completed the following year. let's check in with nbc meteorologist bill karins. hey, bill. >> thanks, alicia. it's the time to update you on what the trends are for covid. right now, we call it the covid holding pattern. it's not really clear seeing it going down or up. it's just kind of steady right now. as far as yesterday went, the new deaths, it was just a reminder, we're still close to averaging 1,000 americans dead a day for covid. yesterday, four states with 100 deaths, florida, texas, california and georgia. florida was the most with 980 fatalities yesterday. that was florida's 11th deadliest covid day. the seven-day moving average is 934. let's talk about the new cases. again, almost right on that average. yesterday we had 42,543 cases.

the seven-day average is 467,000. we're kind of in the holding pattern for the next two weeks not sure if we're going up or down. one thing that's interesting new york state reported 1,032 cases that was the highest report from new york state since early june. maybe some of that -- the heat map from the south, it is spreading a little bit to the north. again, holding pattern. waiting to see if we're going to trend up or down as we start going into the cooler months in the fall. let's get to the weather and talk about the tropics. we do have tropical storm nana. this storm is heading towards belize. it could be a hurricane, south of belize city. a big flash flood threat as it heads through guatemala. and we do have one weak wave in the middle of the atlantic. there's one coming off of

africa. it's that 60% formation that i'm more concerned with. a lot of our long-range computer models figure this could track across the atlantic. it's at least seven to ten days away from any land areas. we have a long time to watch it but that's probably the next area of interest. no threats to the u.s. mainland for the next seven days at least. the forecast for today, we talked earlier about the flood threat for arkansas, and south of dallas. d.c., baltimore, storms. tomorrow, we could see severe weather and strong thunderstorms especially in the mid-atlantic region. heads-up for anyone doing any travel as we go through thursday afternoon. a slight risk of severe storms, philly, baltimore, washington, d.c. and down to richmond. alicia, i know we keep track of the covid numbers. it's amazing, you almost get numb to it. you know, 42,000 new cases a day. 1,000 deaths, you know, seven months in. >> far, far from over, bill, thank you for that. still ahead, a new executive

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welcome pap. time now for business. the white house announced yesterday that the cdc will be halting evictions through the end of the year, as fears of the coronavirus causing a housing crisis to rise. cnbc's julianna tatelbaum joins us live from london. julianna, what can you tell us about this? >> good morning, alicia. this moratorium is the latest step that the trump administration has taken to fend off what experts have said would be a flood of evictions across the country. now the cdc's order applies to people who weren't eligible to receive stimulus checks from the

government. individuals who make up to $99,000 in income or less. also couples who jointly filed with income of $198,000 or less. they're going to have to show that they've made efforts to seek government help. and cannot pay their rent, due to the impact of the pandemic, in order to qualify, to be exempt from these evictions. and them must also demonstrate that they're likely to become homeless or move into congruent housing if evicted. now, in terms of controlling the virus, we've got some news out of apple and google who have been working on contact tracing software. the two teecompanies said yestey they're expanding the software so companies don't have to build or create their own app. they can use this software. and the software can warn people when they come into close contact for someone who tested positive for the virus. the new software called exposure notification express will notify

a participant using the exposure program that somebody has tested positive for the virus. and those person's close contacts will get the notification. the software uses blue tooth to tell people whether they have a significant time near one another. back amc theaters will be opening 140 of its theaters ahead of the premier of "tenant." >> executives are hoping this thriller will be enough to draw crowds back to the theater, and it is set to open an additional 140 theaters, as you said, by september 4th. this would bring the total to 70% of its movie theaters in the u.s. back into operation. so, if you are looking forward to seeing that movie, you're going to have a chance to do it in theaters later this week. >> all right. cnbc's julianna tatelbaum live from london. thank you. up next, a look at axios' "1 big thing." and coming up on "morning joe,"

more reaction to the president's controversial visit to kenosha, wisconsin, and unrest over the shooting of jacob blake. plus, cress yeel richards with planned parenthood and alicia garza join joe and mika to discuss a launch of a new campaign to mobilize women for the election. "morning joe" is moments away. ".

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i was investigated practically from the time i came down the escalator with our great first lady. i was under investigation, and it's a disgrace, and it should never be allowed to happen again. and i say this openly. bill barr can go down as the greatest attorney general in the history of our country or he can go down as just another guy. it depends. they have all the stuff. you don't need anything else. you know, they want everything. you don't need anything else. they all lied to congress. they were liars. they were cheaters. they were treasonists. it was treason. >> during a fox news interview that aired last night, president trump implied that history will

remember attorney general bill barr, if he prosecutes those who have investigated trump. joining me now with a look at axios a.m., co-founder and ceo of axios, jim vandehei. hey, jim! what is axios' "1 big thing" this morning? >> good morning. we're looking at sort of the recession within the recession, which means, most of the focus has been on kind of the obvious casualties of the coronavirus -- the loss of jobs in the airline sector or restaurants, things that you see and feel that you were doing before that you're not. what economists are worried about now is sort of the next level of jobs, of jobs that won't just bounce back once the virus is cured. and if that's true, then that's when you have a long-term recession. and a couple of data points that are worrying them. one -- you're seeing a rising

number of people who are being qualified as no longer temporary layoffs, but permanent. and then you see a rise in the number of people seeking long-term unemployment help. and that means that they don't think their jobs are coming back. and it's one of the mysteries, right, that we're trying to sort through, is once the virus is gone, how much of the economy is damaged and how long will it take for us to fully recover? and unfortunately, it looks like it's going to be a long time for many of these sectors. and as you've done a lot on this show, a lot of the small businesses that went out of business because they couldn't take in customers during the virus, sadly, they're not coming back. and so, it's probably going to be years before the economy can dig itself out of sort of the coronavirus hole. >> devastating. jim, axios is also reporting that president trump didn't make himself more appearing during the republican convention, but he did end up hurting joe biden. break it down for us. >> yeah. i mean, it's sort of -- you look at the segments you've done

today. basically, the president is now calculating that he is all in on defending the police and trying to go after people who are looting, who are doing violence in these cities and saying that he's a law enforcement guy. like in some ways, he's trying to say, i am the wall. i am the wall between chaos in your community and safe. and what it's doing is it's causing, like, some people to worry that it could hurt joe biden, that if he is seen as weak or if democrats are seen as weak, that it will give donald trump a way to be able to talk about issues in the election that get him away from the coronavirus. you look at the polling numbers, our polling numbers, they continue to be devastating for him in terms of people's view of his competence in dealing with the coronavirus, given the number of deaths, given the fact that there's been so much misinformation that's moved from him, from the government, to the american people. but now that he's talking about law enforcement, you have democrats rattled. there's a reason that joe biden came out and gave that speech earlier this week. very worried. they are looking at the same polling numbers that we are.

that doesn't mean that, therefore, there will be a massive shift in the polling numbers immediately, and it does give trump something to jump onto. and one of the things your viewers should do, because there's just two different realities -- i did it on sunday -- spend your day listening to ben shapiro's podcast, watching fox news, listening to rush limbaugh and reading right-wing media. it's just a different world. all they're talking about is the violence and the looting. they're defending the shooters. they're defending the police. so it's not just donald trump. it's all of the ecosystem, including, by the way, on facebook, where the largest number of people who are getting exposed to content, they're getting exposed to conservative content from ben shapiro, from franklin graham, from bright bart. and so, it's a world that is very responsive to the message that you're hearing from donald trump. >> an alternative reality, for sure. one quick question before i let you go, jim -- well, i am told that is all the time i have.

jim vandehei, thank you very much. i will be reading "axios a.m." in just a little while. sign up for the newsletter at signup.axios.com. that's it for me this wednesday morning. i'm alicia menendez. "morning joe" starts right now. in cities across the nation, we've also seen police officers assaulted with bricks, rocks, bats, molotov cocktails, frozen bottles of water. somebody said last night, what are these protesters we saw? it's only water. how can water hurt you? yeah, they don't say it's frozen in a bottle the size of a football, and they throw it at the police. it's unbelievable. it's water. and then they have cans of soup. soup. and they throw the cans of soup. that's better than a brick, because you can't throw a brick. it's too heavy. but a can of soup, you can really put some power into that, right? >> yes, sir. >> then when they get caught, they say, no, this is soup for my family. they're so innocent. this is soup for my family.

it's incredible. and you have people coming over with bags of soup, big bags of soup, and they lay it on the ground and the anarchists take it and they start throwing it at our cops, at our police, and if it hits you, that's worse than a brick because it's got force. it's the perfect size. it's like made perfect. and when they get caught, they say, no, this is just soup for my family. and then the media says, this is just soup. these people are very, very innocent. they're innocent people. these are just protesters. isn't it wonderful to allow protesting? [ laughter ] >> whoa, cans of soup, thugs on airplanes wearing black uniforms. people you've never heard of who were in the dark shadows. it's all from our president. he's just got these ideas of how things go down. >> don't even get him started on shower heads. >> oh, and toilets. >> toilets. >> the other thing that he won't