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biden, the former vice president, to reassure the country and to say what everyone else seems to know, which is that reopening schools safely is a national emergency. >> if president trump and his administration had done their jobs early on with this crisis, american schools would be open and would be open safely. instead, american families all across this country are paying the price for his failures. president trump may not think this is a national emergency, but i think going back to school for millions of children and the impacts on their families and the community is a national emergency. i believe that's what it is. mr. president, where are you? where are you? why aren't you working on this? we need emergency support funding for our schools and we need it now. mr. president, that's your job. that's your job.

>> today, jill and joe biden were touring schools and talking to health officials. president trump, by contrast, seemed to pay little attention to the issue. he traveled to north carolina and made remarks at what could be a super spreader event. a hallmark of his 2020 campaign. but this is par for the course for the golfer in chief who spent the spring ignoring the problem. and then spent the summer declaring victory over the crisis he refused to acknowledge. now, despite what he would like you to believe, here are the actual numbers. 186,000 dead and 6.1 million infected. so far this week, more than 2,000 americans have died. let that sink in. 2,000 americans in just three days. president trump spent the last two weeks focused on a bid to foster fear and loathing in america, but apparently it's not working. a new poll shows that 78% of americans remain very or

somewhat concerned about the coronavirus. nearly 60% find trump partially responsible for the current situation. when asked what the top issues are going into the election, 30% said the economy, and 16% said health care. only 8% said crime. for more, let's turn to dr. gupta, pujonathan and my friend and colleague, nicolle wallace. nicolle, thank you for stick around. i know you've done a two-hour show already, so i'm beyond appreciative for you taking a little extra time. i want to start with you on this question. my kids are older, so i only have a college student to worry about in terms of going back to school. but, you know, both as a former political operative, as somebody who has been in this position of trying to work on a campaign and just as a human being and

parent, can you understand or make sense of the idea that president trump seems to be just pretending coronavirus is gone while literally parents are sitting home terrified to send their kids back to school and teachers are scared to go back, as well? >> well, first, i'm back because i missed you after spending two week wee weeks all together. so thanks for having me. here's my thought about the dangers of divorcing yourself from a reality that the whole country is experiencing. president trump has been a little bit like a political houdini. and not in that voters have signed up again for him, because in the midterms, he was rebuked. so he hasn't stood before the voters since the 2016 election. but he's going to in 60 days. and here's the danger for him. covid affects everybody.

i know he put on a convention in which covid wasn't happening. in some cases, his very elderly attendees at his events and mike pence's were not socially distanced and were not wearing masks and seemed to be talks and shouting and cheering, which is precisely how the coronavirus spreads. the danger for him is that every person, especially every parent, is living with the reality. the reality is that most parents, if you have the luxury of making a choice or facing two terrifying choices. one, that your child doesn't go back to school, they don't benefit from the teachers teaching them in the classroom, and you're struggling too, if you're doing it at subparka pasty. right next to you is your child and zoom classroom. if you don't have the privilege to be able to work from home, then you're scrambling to find child care if schools aren't open. this is where the divide is

exacerbated. and low income students and parts are going to suffer the brunt of this failure. and the failure is 100% on president trump. we could have dealt with the pandemic in a way that got the country to a place where opening schools might not have been possible everywhere, but it could have been a conversation. we're now looking at one of the five largest school districts that can even contemplate it, and that's new york city. so i think the failures really cross pressure, because most moms and dads, and i think college kids are getting screwed just like the rest of kids. i don't think that's a time in your life when you should have to take on the failures of an american president. you have enough to worry about. you're making tough choices about classes and careers. those are tough years. so i think it's anyone -- and listen, i think you're right to start calling teachers essential workers. we're asking them to risk their lives in this sort of half baked

idea that president trump has that all schools should open for in-person learning. >> jonathan, let me bring you in. the thing that's confounding to me, even more than president trump, who has his own way of thinking about things, that so many governors are willing to take the risk and walk that plank with him and are not saying whatever president trump does or doesn't do, i need to say to the people of florida or texas or georgia, so many people are going along with this. we have already seen the first deaths from this sturgis motorcycle rally, i had never heard of it, but apparently it's a thing that happens in minnesota. we've already seen the first person die from having attended it. i want to play quickly, this is kirk cousins, you know, pro athlete. he is a quarterback for the minnesota vikings. and this is how he is talking about the coronavirus.

>> okay. this is somebody with a lot of influence. and there are a lot of people taking that kind of advice. so we don't have the president saying that's not a way to think about this virus, and governors aren't either. is there some explanation you can see in the reporting, are governors afraid to do something different than president trump or is this president trump attitude more pervasive in the republican party than just fear of him? >> well, certainly. first of all, what a reckless statement there from kirk cousins, who is someone looked up to, not just in minnesota but nfl fans across the country. i think what you have identified

the states in particular you named, florida, texas, georgia, these are governors that latched themselves to the president, who are in lock step with him on nearly every issue, including this. all three of those states reopened, perhaps sooner than they should have, against the advice of some of the public health officials. all three states had to walk back portions of the reopening a of the virus surged again during may, june, july. and yet they continue to, as you say, move in tandem with the president, that they are taking their cues from the white house opening schools as part of their effort to reopen broader society, which includes the economy, because as nicolle pointed out, a lot of people can't function in their jobs at home with their kids. obviously, they're not working at the maximum capacity. this seemed like an issue the president wanted to fight about

with schools shlg sschools, we' hearing it but it's been re-emphasized. they said this to me privately, they want to talk about anything other than the pandemic. they feel like any day, where covid-19 is not the dominant story line is a pretty good day for them, or at least a day in which they have a fighting chance. that's why they are leaning heavily into law and border and abandoned some of the covid rhetoric, because they don't want to have that conversation right now, as reckless as that is. >> they don't want to have it, but they want to have a fanciful conversation about it. you've got this talk of a vaccine by the end of the year. there's no -- i don't think anyone really believes that's going to happen. i guess i'll just ask you, dr. gupta, does that sound realistic to you? they don't want to talk about

it. but they say by the way, there will be a vaccine. >> good evening, joy. what i would say is in normal times, using normal metrics, and a normal case study where a few companies are trying to assess their vaccine candidates across tens of thousands of individuals for effectiveness and safety, the answer is definitely not, joy. definitely not are we going to have a vaccine by october or november. and making the american public think that's reasonable is just going to loosen or lower our guard, it's going to make people think there's a miracle on the horizon. so nobody that is credible thinks that's a realistic expectation. >> and back to you, nicolle. there are new polls that are out in some of these swing states. arizona, i think we have wisconsin. and it shows that nothing changed from the week that we spent watching the convention. nothing has really changed.

president trump is still in the 40s. joe biden in the 50s. we spent that entire week apparently for nothing, because nothing has changed in terms of the polls. but what has changed is the rhetoric out of the white house, the things like, herd immunity, maybe we'll do herd immunity, maybe we'll do a vaccine. just as a pure political operative, does any of this make sense as a re-election strategy, to say nothing about the vaccine except fanciful things and to try to refocus the country away from it when people in their real lives can't get away from it? >> what it says to me is they're not playing for more than the 40%. what it says to me is they see the same polls we see. i'm told that the campaign is very concerned about its standing in arizona. that they view that as a real sign of trouble that joe biden is as far ahead in arizona as he appears, that the public polling

matches up to their internal polling. and there is some concern that in places where his old build the wall message as collided with the covid death toll and infection rate, it has really hurt him. if you need an explanation for why he says things so crazy that laura ingram has the face, it's because he's not playing to expand the coalition. he's playing to harden his faction of the electorate, to make them more mad, more afraid, more frothed up than they were four years ago, if you can fathom what that might look like. i think we're seeing it on the streets of portland and other places. and then to delegitimize enough to have vote that he can fog up or fuzz up the rest of it. with president trump, we look for a hidden strategy, something hatched down in the sit room. he lets it hang out. it's all on his twitter feed. he's seeking to make it harder

to use mail-in ballots. he's taking anything he can get from vladamir putin. that's why we saw today, abc broke this story, the bulletin meant to go out to law enforcement agencies and warn them against interference from russia, so i think what we see is exactly what their political strategy amounts to. >> yeah. if you think you can win with 40%, you have to take a lot of people off of the table on the other side to get yourself a victory. and it's frightening to think about that. until next time for the trio, thank you for being here tonight. up next on "the reidout," new reporting on president trump's secret visit to walter reed medical center last year. and he's getting very defensive about it. plus, joe biden heads to kenosha tomorrow, bringing a message of unity. while president trump stokes fear with stories about

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president trump loves to traffic in conspiracy theorys, but now he's up in arms about a rue more about himself that he appears to have started. president trump tweeted something about a surprise trip he made to walter reed medical center last november. he accused a vag-- a vag--

>> now, it wasn't clear what he was referring to per se. but in his new book called "donald trump versus the united states," "new york times" correspondent michael schmidt writes -- >> the passage was exerted in a "new york times" review of the book, but as schmidt pointed out, the book says nothing about mini strokes, and no major media outlet appears to have reported that trump had mini strokes. but to back up his denial, trump had the white house physician put a statement saying -- >> again, no unreported this. a white house staffer said it was referring to a tweet from

joe lockhart, but it did not mention mini strokes. vice president mike pence was asked about the reporting that he was put on stand by for the visit. >> he says in the book that you were put on alert to take control, to take office essentially if he went under for anaesthesia, is that true? >> president donald trump is in excellent health, and brett, i'm always informed of the president's movements. whether it was on that day or any other day. there's nothing out of the ordinary about that moment or that day. and i just refer any other questions to the white house physician. >> but as far as being on stand by? >> i don't recall being told to be on stand by. i was informed that the president had a doctor's appointment. >> now, here's what we do know. the unplanned visit to walter reed did raise a lot of questions at the time. trump claimed at the time it was to start his yearly physical. in june, the white house

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i'm not going to speculate on what it means, but what i can say is nothing this administration does is normal. the only time that i have been

on notice is when the president is out of the country and i'm in the country. >> unlike president trump, joe biden wasn't going to take the bait and speculate on his opponent's health. stating the obvious, nothing this administration does is normal. biden was responding to a revelation in the book "donald trump versus the united states" that vice president mike spence was told to be on stand by during president trump's unannounced visit to walter reed last november. that wasn't getting a ton of attention until president trump tweeted the visit wasn't for mini strokes. joining me now is michael schmidt, washington correspondent for "the new york times" and author of "donald trump versus the united states, inside the struggle to stop a president." let's talk about this mini stroke thing. at the time that you were reporting on the walter reed visit, was there any talk

whatsoever of the cause of the visit, of mini strokes or strokes or any other ailment being associated with that visit? >> i put everything i knew about this in the book, and there's nothing about a stroke or anything along the lines there. and for me, it was the ultimate trumpian moment of, i guess, putting out a book. i spent all this time working on a book, trying to understand how the president uses his power, his highly unique phenomenon with the people around him are trying to stop him. something that we have rarely, if ever seen in american history. and you do all this work and you spend hours with people talking to them. you spend so much time trying to understand what it's like to be in the shoes of a don mcgahn, the former white house counsel, or jim comey. and then something that's not in your book becomes the thing the

president picks up on. and it brought so much more attention to this issue than it ever would have gotten. >> now that president trump has brought it up himself, repeatedly brought it up to where people are like, did he have mini strokes, do you go back and think maybe this is something, maybe the times should just put it out? did you get the sense when he went to the hospital this was something like a big deal that probably needed to be reported at the time? >> look, this is a very curious hospital visit. it's been very curious for some time. it's been a very -- people have had questions about it. it hasn't made any sense. and if you look at pence's answer yesterday, and you look at how he tries to explain himself, you can see him going back and forth. his initial instinct in response to that question looked like it was to not answer the question. and just give a sort of broad point or talking point about how

healthy the president was and certainly is. so this visit has been something that hasn't made sense for a long time. it didn't tamake sense at the time. we still do not have an answer for it. i say in the book, don't know what it was, and in the end, pence did not assume the powers of the presidency. >> yeah. there's a lot in this book to get to. it is donald trump versus the united states. and protecting the nation from what is like the dot dot dot. i want to bring up one of the other revelations. there is this memo from don mcgahn to the former white house chief of staff john kelly that raised concerns about jared kushner and his security clearance. here is what he wrote --

>> what might mcgahn have beener in vo-- nervous about regarding jared kushner? >> his fbi back ground check went on for a long time. there were problems with the initial forms he filled out where, under your -- you're supposed to be putting forth your truthful list of your contacts with foreign officials. and in this case, it drags and drags and drags, and it's over a year into the presidency. and that background check has still not been completed. the white house is doing under kelly. kelly came in and realized that the security clearance system was not up to snuff and was sort of out of control and there was a bunch of people with interim clearances and they're trying to put that process back on track. and it is in that process that there is this thing that kelly

is briefed on that relates to kushner. and whatever it is, it's not laid out in that memo. whatever it is, and i do not know what it is, was very concerning to them. and was part of their rational for why they did not think that kushner or ivanka trump should have top secret security clearances. what you see going on here in a larger sense is the wrestling between sort of the institutionalists, the kellies and mcgahns of the world, who were trying to keep the white house on a legal footing and following forms, going against the family. and kelly and mcgahn suffered because of that. they suffered. and you can read in the book kelly's own words to file about how trump told him, ordered him, instructed him to give kushner and ivanka their clearances. >> yeah.

the whole family versus others and wanting to prosecute hillary clinton and on and on and on. it's fascinating stuff. it's a spooky history, but a good one to have. michael schmidt, thank you very much. best of luck with the book. and still ahead, joe biden head toss kenosha, wisconsin on the heels of president trump's visit yesterday. ♪ limu emu & doug you know limu, after all these years it's the ones that got away that haunt me the most. [ squawks ] 'cause you're not like everybody else. that's why liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. what? oh, i said... uh, this is my floor. nooo! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ our bargain detergent couldn't keep up. with us... turns out it's mostly water.

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after president trump's visit to kenosha, wisconsin, where he laid on the support for law enforcement but didn't outer jacob blake's name, joe and jill bide listen head to kenosha tomorrow and meet with members of blake's family. >> what we want to do is we've got to heal, we've got to put things together, bring people together. and so my purpose in going will be to do just that, to be a

positive influence on what's going on, talk about what need be done. and try to see if there's beginning of a mechanism to bring the folks together. we have to heal. >> it will be biden's first trip to wisconsin this year. when the bidens arrive, they will greet a community very united behind the blake family. it's where president trump staged an event in front of a burned down business, not with the business owner, but the former owner. who was willing to heap praise on president trump. joining me now is wisconsin congresswoman gwenn moore. i want to ask you about the president trump staging with this business owner, a gentleman named tom graham who owns this camera shop. he said, i think everything he does turns into a circus. i just didn't want to be involved in it. i think he needs to bring this

country together rather than divide it. since he wasn't willing to play ball, president trump found the lo owner of the land. what's been the reaction of president trump's visit to your -- to your -- to your state? what has been the reaction to all of that theatrics? >> that's what it was, it was staged. his whole purpose was to come to wisconsin and he hoped to set the stage for the second civil war so that he can rationalize his law and order agenda. and the kenosha community was very smart about this. they collaborated and they got together ahead of time. the mayor, good friend of mine, the faith-based community, other community leaders that said we do not want to feed the fuel of violence. so what they decided to do was

to have a jacob blake community day. and they registered people to vote. they gave free covid tests. free haircuts for the kids. free food. music. they had a no protest day. meanwhile, down the road, we saw the heavy presence of the national guard, we saw lots of folks with trump signs. and we saw president trump, you know, meeting with local law enforcement and it's interesting, because the aclu of kenosha and aclu of wisconsin, they're now trying to get the kenosha sheriff in particular to resign. i know, joy, that you know all about the craziness revolving around the vigilante groups that have been forming and really

encouraging that kind of behavior is something of concern to people in that region. they did not want president trump there. >> there is -- on the other side of that, there is -- i want to let you listen to anthony davis, the president of the kenosha chapter of the naacp. this is what he said about the candidate visits, both president trump and joe biden. >> i would not like to see either candidate here. we have our own issues here in kenosha. we're somewhat of a bedroom community, and we need this time. we don't need to be having candidates come here and talking to the people or hearing this or that or about what they're going to do. we just need some time for ourselves. >> so i mean, obviously both president trump and joe biden, they're thinking about wisconsin. president trump won wisconsin by

one percentage point, by 23,000 votes in 2016. so obviously that's the reason he's there. biden is there for the same reason. but does that make sense to you as an argument from the naacp chapter president that biden -- i mean, president trump has already gone. does it make sense that he's saying biden shouldn't come? >> you know what? i'm not going to argue with the president of the naacp in kenosha. because he's absolutely right. i was born three miles from there. it's a close community, and people need to heal. the only thing that i would say is that the family themselves are taking comfort in joe biden. and i don't think that joe is going to have a big -- there's not going to be a big public event, a big gathering. i think joe is going there. and i wouldn't be surprised if he masked up and gave blake, sr. a big bear hug.

just a hug of comfort. n notwithstanding our covid situation. i think that's part of the healing. you know, the father of jacob blake has said it felt like he was talking to one of his uncles to talk to joe. and i know that they have tal d several times back and forth over the phone. so they could both be right. the president of the naacp could say stay away, we don't need anybody campaigning and giving us our platform. we need to heal. but joe biden is coming, and it's not going to be a big public affair. he won't be touring damage. >> yeah. we will definitely be paying attention to what happens tomorrow. congresswoman gwenn moore, thank you so much. always great to talk to you. up next, what does the radicalization of muslim extremists, why does that get so much more attention than the

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often been true of the media. according to a 2018 study, someone perceived to be muslim, accused of a terrorism plot l receive 770% of the media coverage as somebody not perceived to be muslim. to be clear, the vast majority of the more than 1 billion muslims on the planet, and the millions in this country are decided up radical. everyday people just living their lives when they're not getting profiled by the nypk. it's the misportrayal that is the problem. we're all too quick to call out those who radicalize young men who are vulnerable. there have been treatments of this all over cable news for years. but when white christians are radicalized, we don't react the same way. when is the last time president trump or anyone in his campaign was asked if they are willing to condemn the boogaloo boys by

name? does bill barr ever get asked about them? one of them literally allegedly killed a federal agent in oakland using a black lives matter rally as cover. experts, including the fbi, have been warning for years about the radical right wing, and white nationalist groups seeking to radicalize white americans. and posing a threat of domestic terrorism. including using black lives matter rallies as a scare tactic and physical cover to wreak mayhem. rather than stand up to that threat, the president of the united states is accelerating it. we are living in a time when the president is the fire starter. he is helping to radicalize his own followers, to try to help his re-election. the same way that he gleefully encouraged violence during his initial presidential run. >> oh, get out of here. get out of here. look at these people. get out of here. get out!

out, out, out. in the old days, when we were less politically correct, that kind of stuff wouldn't have happened. today, we have to be to nice, so nice. they're not protesters. those aren't -- those are anarchists. >> anarchy and chaos on our streets. >> the nypd is reporting 28 shootings from over the weekend. a 600% increase. >> we have never had a president do that. and he's getting help from his party and media outlets who are literally celebrating vigilantism. if president trump was a muslim leader, not the leader of the christian right, how would we in the media describe what he's doing? i asked that question on monday, and there was a lot of conversation, particularly online after the segment aired, some of which was frankly not in good faith. but some of the conversation

reflected the genuine feelings of people who have been subjected to the kind of stereotyping that i just described. and who take matters like this to heart because of it. and we should all be sensitive to that, and i certainly should have been sensitive to that. so let's talk about it now. joining me now is "newsweek" editor at large, and my guest on monday. and director of research at the institute for social policy and understanding. thank you for being here. i'm going to play quickly the section of the interview that was in question. >> when leaders let's say in the muslim world talk a lot of violent talk, and encourage their supporters to be willing to commit violence, including on their own bodies, in order to win against whoever they decide is the enemy, we in the u.s. media describe that as they are radicalizing those people. particularly when they're radicalizing young people that's how we talk about the way muslims act.

when you see what president trump is doing, is that any different from what we describe as radicalizing people? not exactly the most artful way of asking that question, obviously, based on the reaction. reaction, but navid, can you con tech churlize it a better way of making that point just from a national security point of view. >> let me just tell you what it meant to me and the actual visuals that i had in my mind. i am someone that came of age as can 9/11 generation. when i think of being a brown man in america, there are two way points that define what it americans for me. that is 9/11 and then the muslim ban. and after 9/11, you know, when you talk about being radicalized, we all know the 19 hijackers, i felt a very strong urge to counter this, that it wasn't enough to stand up and say something, that i wanted to do something. and the best way i thought i could do that is join the military, and that's exactly

what i did. i'm not alone. there are plenty of brown and muslim men and women, whether they joined the military or anything else, wanted to speak out and address this. so to me what i took that to be is a question of, you know, this double standard that exists when we talk about brown and muslim people in this country and how we hold us to a monolithic standard. you know, as you said, when there is a terrorist act within our community, we are all expected to apologize, to condemn it, which we do because it is the right thing to do. that same standard is not often applied to other commune tis. it should be a standard that should be applied universally. i took it as a brown man whose father is pakistani, whose father is muslim, who watched that segment. and i tack it as we are a country that has a double standard and even someone that can serve and prove his loyalty

is then thrown a muslim ban in his face, just like the fellow members of my community. and that's really that double standard that i think we really have to address. i thought that was what the question was and i think it's an important one to ask. >> well, and i want to let you in this and let you respond however you want to respond as well. by the way, for the audience, that was not what the entire segment was about. that was about donald trump radicalizing people and his rhetoric. you can go back to him lying about saying that i know that muslims were celebrating 9/11. he's done a lot of it. but in that particular instance it was about his relationship to the far, far, far right that he is not discouraging, we'll put it that way. but just to let people know that was not the entire subject of the piece because this would have been the panel. but it did come up. and i threw that question to

navid. it is something he and i have talked about and been angry about for a long time. but the way i framed it obviously did not work. i want you to respond to me how that was taken and how that can be brought up and do you think it is a fair analogy to make or a fair question to be asked? >> well, thank you so much, joy. i want to first say that i have been on your show before and you have always given muslim voices a fair shake. you are a fair reporter. you give us air time to make our case. you let us speak for ourselves and you're fair to us when we are on your show. so i think that that's an important point to make. the way that i heard your statement was intended to make the analogy which is a fair one between radicalization of muslim extremists and the radicalization of young white men in this country. the way that it landed and the way that it was heard by some people, many people, in fact,

was unintentionally saying that muslims were inherently violent or that muslim -- the way in which muslims act is violent. and though that was not your intention, it is important to correct that notion for your millions of viewers. and that's why i think it's so important to have this conversation because what the facts are is that while muslims receive the vast majority of media coverage when it comes to ideological motivated violence, they are by no means the majority of -- they are not the ones that are committing most terrorism in america. the vast majority of terrorists casualties at the hands of terrorism are at the hands of white supremacists and far right extremists in the united states. most people don't know that. not only that, but muslim

publics around the world and in the united states are more likely than the general public to actually reject violence against civilians. so you have this media portrayal on one hand implying and reinforcing the stereotype while the reality on the other hand says the exact opposite. >> yeah. i mean, and i guess this is why it annoys me to see the way that donald trump has talked about it because you are absolutely right. here is some statistics. this is from a georgia state university study. muslims 80%, are more likely to reject violence targeting civilians carried out by an individual or small group. that is just actual facts. attacks by muslims perpetrators received on average 357% more coverage than other attacks. so, you know, dahlia it is

vexing because when i see the bug loo boys, you have an officer who donald trump sometimes cite who was gunned down. they never tell you who gunned this person down. they are actually quite dangerous. using nearby peaceful protests that black lives matter were holding as a cover. federal identified this man as an air force sergeant, 32 years old. he's a member of this group. i guess when i don't hear that just described as domestic terrorism in the same way, it irks my spirit and i wonder for the muslim community how does that land? how does that not say immediately terrorism? >> well, i think that many of us don't necessarily want everyone to be called a terrorist. and that is a legal term that the media really shouldn't be throwing around against anyone. what we want, though, is simply objective fair coverage of all

communities, of all acts of violence, whether they're ied lol cali motivated or not. what we see is that the term terrorist is only used against muslims, no matter what their motivation might be and before there is a legal assessment. and that really hurts ordinary people. i mean, we know from our research, joy, that muslim children are the most likely group, twice as likely as other children, to be bullied in school and for their faith. and as was mentioned, people who aren't muslim who are perceived to be muslim has the same treatment. muslim is also the most likely faith group to report religious-based discrimination. it matters how the media talks about these things because it impacts ordinary people. >> it also matters how our

political leaders, and i think dahlia is absolutely right, let's take that whole terrorism conversation off the table, just encouraging violence when it comes from a leader with as much power as the president of the united states, it feels, to me, more dangerous. let's just show this. people don't often show the two men killed in kenosha. they were the victims in this case. they died as a result of somebody who came from out of state, allegedly, and shot three people, and they died. one of them was a dad. one of them was a young skateboarder. you have donald trump sharing a video on cnn, a white nationalist video that he retweeted falsely blaming black lives matter for a 2019 subway assault. it is everybody it's in on getting blamed for things that they haven't done. i want you to listen to an ad by a woman named elizabeth newman who theft the administration.

then i want to give each of you a response to respond. >> from january until march 11th, what you saw instead was a number of good public servants attempting to do their job and the president telling them to stop because he didn't want the economy to tank and he didn't want a distraction from his campaign. i'm sorry, mr. president. you're hired to handle america's worst day. and you have absolutely failed. >> i'm up against very little time. but a very quick reaction from you and then i will give the last word. >> this is all about dehumanizing people. when trump goes on tv and talks about a man shot in the back seven times by a police officer and compares that to choking playing golf, that's who we're dealing with. it is important to understand that brown people have been dehumanized. the only way to solve that is by treating us like equals.

>> yep. dahlia? >> joy, fair coverage is important for democracy overall. it is not just about how muslims are par trortrayed. it is about informing the public and giving them facts. >> thank you both very much. i really appreciate you guys being here tonight. that is tonight's reid out. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in," two months to election day and donald trump tells his supporters to vote twice. tonight why a tilted electoral field and a completely uncroup louse opponent means no lead is safe for joe biden. then nixon white house down cell john dean on trump's new calls to prosecute political envenemie enemies. the latest cdc move that could undermine a covid vaccine. and how the trump campaign is officially working overtime to elect a bigoted