tail end of that, the trump campaign sent as trump family member who goes to the campaign, islam is cancer and it is good that they die. brandy, who has done incredible work on this. thank you very much for coming out tonight. >> thank you. >> that's "all in," right now rachel maddow. >> good evening my friend. it has been a weird news day. the president this afternoon said out loud that his spo supporters should try to vote twice in the november elections. voting twice is a fellonyfelony.

the president asked supporters to try it to see if they can get away with it. what do you do about it? he's not hinting about it. he's just flat out telling people go try to vote for me twice. wednesday. until relatively recently we were at least kind of a normal country, you know? ups and downs for sure. things you can take issues with easier here and there. at least we knew how long the number line was. at least we knew zero to 100. now with the president behaves like this, the system kind of breaks. for example, open your heart, soften your heart a little bit and look at the lead on this tonight from our colleagues at nbcnews.com.

there is nothing wrong with lead whatsoever. the fact that this has to be written. it is just not built with this level of weird. i mean it is like you invited friends over for a barbecue and you are like lift up a carpet of the room -- all of the nouns work until you explain what you are doing and it does not compute. this is what i mean. here is this lead from nbcnews.com. president trump suggested that people in north carolina should vote twice once by mail and one in-person. the president said "let them send it in and let them go vote, if it is tabulated they'll be able to vote." the president said this one and asked about the mailing voting system in north carolina. he concluded "that's the way it

is, that's what they should do." "it is illegal to vote more than once in an election." >> yes, it is illegal to do what the president just told you to do. it is illegal to get people to do that. this is a weird day. today is also the day that the trump administration, mike pompeo, announced the united states government will sanction the international criminal court. not the united states will sanction the international court. this is the u.s. government putting sanctions on the people who work at that court. putting sanctions on people who work at the international court. people who prosecutes more crimes and stuff.

the u.s. will sanction the people who prosecutes criminals. those people will now be sanctioned by the u.s. government as if they are terrorists or cartel leaders or themselves criminals of any kind, all because they work at the international court and the trump administration is raging war on all international institutions which we used to support. it is just bizarre almost non-computable behavior by our government. the president is continuing as you know conducting his campaign on the grounds that america is burning. american cities are all on fire and burning down and they're terrible house scapes. beyond whether or not this scare campaign of u.s. cities if it is true. it is an awkward message, right? even though the president right now is donald trump while he

says all this stuff and this terrible stuff is happening around the country, the president's reelection campaign is based fundamentally more than anything else on this premise that this horrible urban hou house-scape that we live in is the future once joe biden is elected president. it does not compute. this is not logical stuff. the president's campaign right now, there are fundamental messages. see how terrible things are. keep me in charge so this won't happen. it is irrational at the highest of american politics. it also filters down to local news in weird ways.

the portland press herald posted this online. "can you help me understand the portland riots? why have you not stopped the violence"? >> the respond, "well, we are a newspaper in malaysian is the main reason." you know -- i am sure is their fault. this is the front page of the portland press herald today where you can see our national weird ne weirdness coming home to national news. defiant pastor tied to outbreaks divides local community. this is a fascinating story.

they have been basically untouched by the coronavirus, the boston globe reports, the whole county has been about 150 cases over the two counties over the course six months which is not a lot. there has been no cases at all. that area around millinocket, maine, has the highest of covid-19 cases due to a wedding. there were a total of 62 people at the wedding. as of now, at least 30 of the 62 people at that wedding tested positive. 30 of the 62, ages 4 to 78.

of course it did not stay confined to the wedding guests. the center of disease control identified 143 cases that traced back to one wedding. that's the worst outbreak in may. one young person got in infecte at that wedding infected their parents and that parent infected a child at a senior center. they now got multiple staffs and patients infected. another wedding guest was at the employee at the york county jail. as of yesterday that led to, we learned that led to 19 staff and 35 prisoners being infected at york county jail. the members of the jail are up to 68 cases now among employees

and prisoners and again traced back to that wedding. at the venue itself, multiple staff members tested positive, and at the local schools, students becoming infected and a teacher working at the wedding reception and turned up on-site to prepare for the school year and there are multiple infections at the school and among both staff and students so that means they'll not be opening schools at millinocket when they thought they would. an elderly couple who lives in an isolated wood cabin at lake cedar, they have been isolated at that cabin for months throughout the course of the epidemic because they are older and they knew they were high risk and they knew they were

living in a low-risk place. well, their community used to be a low-risk place. she was 83 years old and died at the local hospital. he was hospitalized two days after his wife died. the other place that one wedding resulted in an outbreak is a town called sandford, maine, it is not in the same area. the guy that officiated came from csandford, maine. he flew himself into conduct that wedding and flew home. the maine cdc announced on saturday they're investigating a new outbreak at that pastor church. the town also now has an outbreak at the local fire department. you see how these things go.

it goes from 0 to 60 really fast. it is soupuper contagious infectious disease. >> it is interesting of what happened here. the guy that officiates the wedding, he officiates the wedding and they don't take any precautions. there is a school in maine that has a new outbreak because of this and the pastor at church. all derives from this one congregate event where people got together and did not wear masks. it turns into the biggest event that created the biggest outbreak in marijuanine. and everybody learned about this and public health authority tracking all this down.

this pastor officiated the service where all these outbreaks came from and infections came from and all these institutions happen to be shutdown and one person is dead already. this pastor learned that his home church where he came home to is being investigated at an outbreak because they got multiple cases there, too. he learned that on saturday. what did he do? he holds multiple in-person services in church because he does not believe any of this is happening. it matters. where people get their information. it matters what people are hearing who they accept as leaders. you can see the headline here from "the boston globe." i want the people of god enjoy liberty's pastor at maine

super-spreader wedding gives defiant in-door sermon. todd bell, the pastor portrayed the church he leads as being at the frontline . i will tell you what the world wants all churches to do bell said during sunday east's servi. they want us to shutdown and go home and let people get use to that long enough until we can stop the sad advanciadvancing o gospel. the president lamented that democrats don't believe law-abiding citizens can go to church anymore. you can't go to church anymore. he says that on friday.

the pastor found out he got a break out at his church and he held a service on sunday. the wedding linked to 143 coronavirus in maine and more since then, about 20 more cases. it is the largest outbreak in the state of maine. it led to a death of an 83-year-old woman who did not attend the event. bell sermon was unrepertinented. on sunday morning, a 15-people in choir mask-less. he just taken apart of an event of the largest outbreak they had in the state. who cares? screw the democrats. he told his congregation that masks are pointless. they're like trying to keep a

mosquito out of a chain-linked fence. he won't take any vaccines if one is developed because if any such vaccine would be abortion. if you are taking the vaccine you are supporting abortion which is so far crazy talk of where we are adiscuccustom now where ever you find in our life. one dead and a jail and a school and all the rest. but, you know what if the people you accept as leaders say these stuff, it mattermatters. it manifests in the world and it turns out it matters. >> if they don't believe law-abiding citizens, they go to a church gathering, you can't go to church anymore.

do you know how many church closes in this country because of the democrats? >> when the president says stuff like this. less than 48 hours later, the guy with an active break in church decides he's going to hold in-door event even after the event that led to 140 plus to people. >> it matters. >> they close our churches. >> people of faith are under attack. >> democrats won't let you go to church. >> they don't believe law biding citizens. >> citizens. if you publicly insist that trying to not spread covid is a democratic party's plot.

the result is you are going to have right wing pastors spreading covid where ever acan because that's what they heard they should do in order to be a hero. any measure of slowing covid is a democratic plot. it is antireligion, don't fall for it. you see this manifestation on the local front pages. this is the biggest in maine. you will see this all over. and while that's happening and why we see the power at the nonsense at the top manifests deaths on the ground. what has emerged is it may longer be the policy of the u.s. gofr government to try to stop the spread of covid. >> we like the fact that there is a lot of cases in low-risk populations because that's exactly how we are going to get

immunity. population hoppertunit immunity. >> these people getting the infection, it is not a problem. months ago when you isolate everyone including the healthy people, you are prolonging the problem because you are preventing population immunity. low-risk groups getting the infection is not a problem. >> it is a positive. the more people getting infected, the better. that's a man named scott at lla. he has no public health experience and no epidemiology experience. he's the new guy that's running the u.s. coronavirus strategy at

the white house. the president liked him doing these hits on fox news where he proposes these ideas where get everybody infected, that'll be better. with that, the expertise being a radiologyist going on fox and say these things. he's brought to the white house and sidelined the other actual qualified experts who were apart of the coronavirus task force. scott atlas has been taking over. the white house and the president has been talking about covid in ways that are new and that lined up with the state of view of this guy who was kind of a prank on this subject. it did not get much attention when he said it. when the president said this that i am about to show you at the rnc last week. he was apparently describing a new strategy for coronavirus.

this is not the way that he described it before. it was the middle of his rnc speech. this is not what him and the white house used to say of how we are tackling this epidemic in the country. >> we are sheltering those at highest risk and allowing low-risk americans to safely return to work and school. we want to see so many of those great states be open by democrats. we want them to be open. they have to be open. they have to get back to work. >> they have to be open and get back to work. we'll protect the vulnerable. we are seeing a lot of evidence of that -- but, open everything else backup so that everybody of

low-risk gets infected. this is the idea that dr. atlas has been saying on fox news. if the president really wants to pursue that some sort of efforts to protect those most at risk but most people encouraged to be infected. if we are pursuing that which is what this doctor is advocating and what the president tells what you say he wants. it is good for him to start to let us know this is how he wants us to change pack here. we should brace ourselves for what it means and this is what he's going to do. as "the washington post" points out this week, nobody knows if immunity everyo immuni immunity even works. nobody knows how much immunity is conveyed by being infected with covid or how much of the

population have to be infected to take whole. if you take them at their words and take them at a conservative estimate -- 65% of the population for tto be infected. if you reach the 65% threshold for immunity, if you let 65% of the country get infected. conservative speaking, 1% fatality rate, that means you would have 2.13 million americans dead. that's what they are aiming for. that would be the good news results. 2.13 million dead. that's only if we have a 1% fatality rate. could be millions more dead if the fatality rate is higher than

that of 2% or 3%. they're aiming that at 2 million dead americans because of fox news radiologist said so. he made this the u.s. policy. this is reportedly why the cdc just recommended in the past week all of a sudden fewer americans should get tested. this doctor and the fact that he got the president's ear is reportedly why the cdc now says if you have been exposed, you should not get tested. this new tier heory that the president goes by, the more the people are infected, the better we are. that means they want to test less people even after you have been exposed. if you have not been tested or been exposed, you don't know that you are positive. the more the people infected, the better. this is mad desnessmadness.

it has taken hold at the top of the u.s. government. the president is taking this as a big idea. any democrats or anybody in the country that does not want this and want to stop people from getting infected, they're trying to shutdown your churches and against god and lock you in your home for some sort of nefarious hypocri hypocrisy. our former national institute of health joins us to talk about this next. alth joins us to talk this next. adventure.

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preventio preventions. four years later president bill clinton assigned one of those two scientists to lead the national institute of health. he was the nobel lariat. president obama named dr. varmus on science and technology and dr. varmus was pointed at the cancer of institute. when that is your background, you do not expect to see dr. varmus' name on top of an opt-ed like this one. "it has come to this, it has come to the cdc." we were startled and dismayed to learn that the cdc altered its

testing guidelines to reduce the testing of asoymtommatic people. it is up to states and other other institutions to act. dr. varmus, he's the former head of the nah. today dr. varmus is one of the ones who endorsed joe biden. joining us now is dr. harold

harold varmus. >> my pleasure. >> let me ask you of that headline was jarring to me because of what i know about your history in health and medicine, in science and medicine. tell me about the decision making process to go that far >> first of all, i didn't write the headline. the headline was useful because it attracted a lot of readers. i don't want to badger the cdc. it is a great institution that served the nation well for many years but they made a mistake advocating that we test asymptomatic people less frequently. we need to test people and limit

the transmission of the virus. i want to explain first of all testing asymptomatic people is critical to control the pandemic and we have a lot of new tool to do that and we can do it cheaper and do it effectively. people are confused by having different levels and what appears to be the public health. that's the part that's very troubling. what i was trying to explain in that piece why the testing of asome t asoa so the people is important. we can't test people everyday. it would be extreme. we can do sensible things.

the following people should be tested immediately or within a few days of having contact within person known to be infected. you know some people are greater risk of transmitting the virus if they are going to a sporting event or work and under conditions where they had to be close to their fellow workers. we try to understand this virus how it is transmitted and diminish that by urging that states and cities and institutions, including colleges and workplaces where people mingle closely. >> dr. varmus, you described it as a mistake by the cdc. i hear you when you talked about the conflicting advising and you described it as dysfunctional.

i am worried this was not necessarily a mistake or something that was bungled by the cdc. with dr. atlas having this role at the white house and the president's change in language of what the u.s. goal is around us. i am worried they're trying to reduce the number of people tested so that we don't find outbreaks and so that there is more outbreak because they have become be holden to that the idea that the more spread the better, we can build up immunity and save us to do anything to confine this virus because they don't like what you have to do to limit the spread. if this is a herd immunity idea, how dangerous is that? >> well, it is dangerous. i resonate with your concerns and i share some of them. in the piece that we wrote how decisions got made. we are trying to look at what

was replaced and what was put in place on the cdc's website and try to explain why this is the wrong thing. you can't explore and still uncertain line of decision that is led to this chain. all i can do is correct the change and change people minds of what we should be doing. >> dr. harold varmus. it is an honor to have this time with you. thank you very much for your time being here. thank you for your service. >> my pleasure. nice to talk to you, rachel. >> a lot to come tonight. as i opened up the show tonight. today has been a weird day in the news on covid and a weird day on the news on presidential

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>> more important lyanne american life that was lost and wounded. i don't believe you can call it a success. >> donald trump demean my son's sacrifice. when russia put bounties on our troops' heads, trump defended putin instead of our military. >> this election will be the most rigged in history. he misled us throughout the pandemic. >> i don't take responsibility at all. >> 200,000 americans will have died before we vote. >> it did not have to be but for donald trump. if you would hear one thing, let it be this. don't trust donald trump with your kid's life or your own. >> remarkable ad that was produced during the convention

by the veterans group. we reached out to that gold star father, bill owens, for comments on that. it does not seem like he's doing any public statement other than that remarkable ad that we just showed you. certainly that should be enough. meanwhile the organization that produced that, they really had been puncturing of their weight at the election cycle. also, some well timed stuff including this i am going to show you today. time to coincide with the president doing an event in front of a battleship today. >> donald trump is panicking, finding any excuse to show up in the military communities. he knows if elections were held today, he would lose in a landslide.

60% disproves donald trump because he disrespects people b who served. >> our troops are more in danger today. he would not stand up for our troops when putin put bounties on their heads and afghanistan. russia is engaging u.s. troops, slamming into our patrols and syria intercepting our baombers and flying their bombers dangerously close to our aerospace. trump's refusal to defend our national security. his refusal to stands up to o u troops is humiliating. when it comes to the military vote for the next commander in chief, trump is not leading.

he's losing. >> new ad out today from again, vote vets have been doing these effective and anti-trump ads. that point they are making from a veteran's perspective how america -- trump refused to defend our troops and the eyes is being hurt by trump being so weak when it comes to russia. that's a live issue not only in politics but on abc news. russia interfering to help trump in the november election by promoting false propaganda. that's circulating first in

russian propaganda outlet. that bulletin about russia promoting that line, that was done in july. it is set to be released. the trump administration holds it at the last minute and would not get out. two months later that intelligence warning still has not gone out. the trump campaign, meanwhile has been pushing that exact line against joe biden even as russian propaganda outlets had been pushing it, too. the only thing that trump administration has done is stop the u.s. public from being warned that's part of the russian government operation. and this trump's sort of s

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contain, in her words, unequivocal proof that alexei navalny was poisoned with a russian military grade nerve agent, the same used on former russian spy in the u.k. alex say navalny remains in a comey in a hospital in berlin. he's said by doctors to be in critical but stable condition. but this ideas that russia was behind the attack, that they used a russian military poison that would tell the world for sure it was them, that conclusion brought forceful responses from the leaders of the uk and nato and other european countries. here in the u.s., not so much. the president still hasn't said a word about this at all. joining us now is former u.s. ambassador to russia. thanks very much for joining us.

it is nice to see you. >> good to see you. thanks for having me rachel. >> so you have called on president trump to join other world leaders in condemning the poisoning of navalny. he has obviously not done so. how would it matter if he did? what difference would it make if he did? >> well, it goes to the point that you were just making earlier, that he is weak before putin. he doesn't push back on anything. so putin thinks he can do anything, whether it's running into our soldiers in syria or putting bounties on our soldier's heads in afghanistan. we don't know all the facts and details about what happened to mr. navalny, but he doesn't do anything. it means we're not leading the free world, rachel. look at all those statements you just put. we are not even trying to catch up to them. we are behind. and that lack of unity in the democratic world makes america weaker across the board, not just with respect to russia, but

with respect to all of our adversaries around the world. >> we have frequently seen the president exhibit this like profound weakness and subservience and meekness around the issue of russia even when people around his own government won't go along with it. mike pompeo seems to go along with it on the day that germans confirmed it was the poisoning. we did get a national security council short series of tweets condemning it and saying that the u.s. will work with allies to hold russiaaccountable. that's strange to not have the president talking about it at all. instead, to have this statement from an amorphous body. >> correct. because you probably can't even

name that person, right? i can't. it means nothing compared to the words of the president of the united states. i want to underscore, this is not just a one up. president trump has said nothing about the democratic protests in bell arus belarus. he said nothing about what russia is doing now if our democratic elections. in other words, he's not defending the sovereignty of the united states of america. and i think this is hard for people to understand. like if the chinese ships came into the san francisco bay, we would expect our government to tell us about that threat because we could see it, you could do video of it. because it is a digital threat, we don't see it, but it's the same thing. putin is violating our sovereignty. we should be pushing back on that. >> this reporting today initially from abc news and a number of other news that the homeland security department had

an intense against briefing ready to go warning not just generally that russia is interfering in the election but specifically if you see stories out there about joe biden having mental health issues, those are things being launched by the russian government, laundered through their social media avenue tars and they are trying to use that to insert that story line into the u.s. election in order to hurt biden's campaign. they had that intelligence briefing ready to go. the trump administration has stopped it from going out. does it matter to the american people to not be sort of inoculated in that way against that form of interference? >> of course it does. it's outrageous that they are denying the american voters this information. and, rachel, i want to remind you, you and i talked about this in the fall of 2016 when we, or at least i on your show, was critical of the obama administration for not putting out more information about the threats at that time because the voters need to know what the

russians are doing. if they're trying to influence our vote, at least letting them know that they're doing it might help them to make more balanced decisions about what they do in november. i think it is absolutely outrageous. it is not enough to debrief the intelligence agencies. they need to brief the american public about these activities. >> michael mcfaul. profess professor, it is always good to have you here. >> glad to be here. thanks for coming me. >> all right. more to come tonight. stay with us. ight stay with us so what's going on?

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that is going to do it for us tonight. i will tell you this. since we have been on the air tonight we got the very sad news that hall of fame pitcher tom seaver has died. he was 75 years old. he died with covid-19. he was a 12 time all star, 20 years in the major leagues, u.s. marine corps veteran. he pitched in the major leagues 1967 to 1986. he was elected to the hall of fame in 1992. he was named on 99% of the ballots cast that year. sad news. all right. that is going to do it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. now it is time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, rachel. tom seaver was such an idol of mine. i had the thrill of watching him pitch in person, and i was