reminded people it was two votes per precinct. i want you all to sit with that truth. >> sit with that truth. she gets the last word tonight, obamas no elections and when it comes to democrats they know about winning elections. i'll see you tomorrow 6:00 eastern. the "reidout" with joy reid starts now. tale of two kenoshas. two days after donald trump visited the city bringing his message of division with him, joe biden arrived in wisconsin today to show that he could make gad on his promise to help heal the city in the wake of the police shooting of 29-year-old jacob blake and the protest that followed. biden and his wife jill held a 90-minute meeting with blake's family including his father, three siblings and his mother who joined by phone. later at a gathering at a church

biden said he had spoken by phone for about 15 minutes with jacob blake who is now out of intensive care. >> he talked about how nothing was going to defeat him. how whether he walked again or not, he was not going to give up. i think what's unleashed with a lot of people is, they understand that fear doesn't solve problems, only hope does. and what i came away with was the overwhelming sense of resilience and optimism that they have about the response. his mom talked about -- my wife asked to say a prayer, and his mom said a prayer. she said, i'm praying for jacob, but i'm praying for the policemen as well.

i'm praying things change. >> in a statement family attorney ben crump said mr. blake senior talked about the need for reform because the excessive use of violence by police against minorities has gone on far too long. made poignant by the fact in rochester, new york, yet another family deals with the pain of death of a man in custody. we'll have that later on the show. the reason we haven't shown you pictures of the visit to the blake family, it was closed to the press, for their privacy. compare that to trump, he went way out of his way to turn everything into a photo-op. meeting with law enforcement and a controversial sheriff who said some people aren't worth saving, should be warehoused.

and another that wouldn't cooperate. democratic nominee, trump not sharing spotlight in the battleground of pennsylvania. in kenosha one community member drew a stark contrast between the two visits. >> we know that someone came here to take a victory lap. we know that someone came here to show division. we know that someone came here not to help us. but the people surrounding the family decided we're not going to show that picture to the world. >> he highlighted what occurred on tuesday at the same time that trump was arriving. a community celebration on the corner where jacob blake was shot seven times by a kenosha police officer, an image donald trump most certainly did not want you to see but we're happy

to show you. janel ross, reporter for blk. heather mcghee, co-chair of color of change. jennifer palmieri former communications director under president obama and author of "she proclaims, independence in a man's world." give us a sense of what happened at the town hall, what kinds of questions were asked and how was the vice president received? >> there were a range of issues raised with the vice president, as i understand. there were questions about policy, policing reforms. there were also questions about the damage sustained by businesses and what sorts of efforts will be made to help them. i personally have spoken with a business owner who told me his insurance has informed him that he has no coverage for civil unrest, so this is a serious question. in addition there was some discussion about the general sort of tone and mood of the

country, a state of -- a sense that we are in a state of chaos and what the appropriate role for a president might be in such a situation. i think there is also a great deal of concern coming from both the blake family and activists here in kenosha. there's a lot of effort that's been made to try to keep the conversation really focused on policy but also what is going to happen with regard to the specific officer who shot jacob blake and understanding what is happening with that investigation because there is not much information that has been made public. >> yeah. you know, jennifer, this is a tricky situation when somebody is running for president, right, there is a balance between being there. i think it was obvious to most people watching this campaign that it was important for joe biden to go to kenosha, particularly after donald trump did, but balancing it to make sure it isn't seen as overt

politics without much behind it. i want to play something behind you, this is "shut the bridge down" guy. the new campaign manager for trump. here he is talking about biden. >> the president was there earlier in the week, as president of the united states. vice president is there today as a candidate, as a political candidate. this is not the time to be injecting politics into a really serious situation that the president helped solve. >> your witness, jennifer. >> yeah. so i'm actually in milwaukee, i'm here for the circus. i covered the trump event in kenosha on tuesday. and i'll tell you kenoshaans are pretty tired of being a backdrop for a political fight. so i think that for biden to come in and go to a church was a very important signal. what you saw -- what i saw trump doing, what i literally saw, is them staging a photo-op,

bringing in armored vehicles, positioning them in front of vehicles tragically destroyed but it was very much a photo-op. and you know, democrats in wisconsin are nervous, so i will tell you they are -- this state is always razor thin. trump won by 27 percentage points. this is a state that had a lot of support for black lives matter a couple months ago, those numbers have dropped precipitously. police are very popular in the state. a poll coming out, the gold standard, and i talked to the pollster. he's not sure kenosha is going to make that much difference in the race now because things are so sort of stable in terms of who supports biden and trump. but that poll which comes out next wednesday will really be telling. if trump can't move voters trying to scare them with his message, in wisconsin, after kenosha, it suggests to me that's not going to really work

anywhere, if it doesn't work here. >> i think as long as the coronavirus is out there, the polls so far show that won't work. as a matter for the community, heather, and welcome to the show. i think this is the first time you've been on. there's a strange message coming out of the white house, which i guess isn't strange if you know what bill barr is and what he's decided he wants to be, which is none of this is real. none of this talk about systemic violence is real. there's no such thing as police brutality against black people. black people are making this up. obviously this is an appeal to white voters, they hope, to say black people are just being hysterical about police violence when it isn't real. just so you don't think i'm making this up. here is william barr -- let's do two things. here is the difference between george floyd and jacob blake. >> floyd was already subdued, incapacitated and not armed.

in jacob's case he was in the midst of committing a felony, and he was armed. so that's a big difference. >> his family says he wasn't armed. there may have been a knife in the car but he wasn't armed when he was shot. that's what his family and lawyers said. >> i stated what i believe to be the difference. >> so he just made up something that isn't true. he spoke to the top law enforcement initial in the country and he made up a fact that isn't true about jacob blake. here he is again talking about whether he thinks there's deep seated racism in policing. >> i do think there appears to be a phenomenon in the country where african-americans feel they are treated when they are stopped by police frequently aspects but they are treated as citizens. i don't think that necessarily reflects deep seated racism in police departments or in most police officers.

>> what is that supposed to be? your thoughts, heather. >> i mean, it's really important to bill bar and his ideology and trump base to say racism doesn't exist. racism is still bad to them. it just doesn't exist. if it does exist, the most prominent form of racism is black and brown racism against white people. that's the world view. but when it comes to the city of kenosha and its nearby bigger city milwaukee, it's so important we recognize just like minneapolis where gorge floyd w -- george flowed was murdered, these are communities completely shaped by racism. for the past years life opportunities for black people in milwaukee, minnesota, minneapolis, have declined. there was a young woman who spoke at the biden event and

went off script and said i'm just so tired. there was a study that came out from university of wisconsin and milwaukee that actually black milwaukee is near the bottom or at the bottom on dozens of different indicators of all ask 50 major metropolitan areas in the country. that kind of lack of count, the lowest home ownership rate in the country, the highest residential segregation in the country, the lowest income in the country among black people in milwaukee, that kind of lack of opportunity is behind the unrest that you're seeing in kenosha and about the higher incidence of police contact. so when people talk about defunding the police, they are saying we want you to invest in opportunity in this community because you always seem to have money to take away our free tom, where is the money and the investment in infrastructure to help create opportunity and freedom. >> you know, you could just be describing the michael brown case in ferguson, you could be describing freddie gray case in baltimore, you could be

describing the trayvon martin case in florida. literally all of the things you just talked about, the economic and background factors all were the same. you can just go city by city by city. i'm glad you brought that out. i want to listen to a little more of joe biden today, just so we can hear more of what he said. here he is. this is cut four. >> well, i think we've reached an inflection point in american history. i honest to god believe we have an enormous opportunity now that the screen -- the curtain has been pulled back on just what's going on in the country to do a lot of really positive things. >> i want -- you put a pin in that for a second while we listen to another voice out of milwaukee. this is the former sheriff of milwaukee, if you don't remember him, he's the guy whose jail a man died in, a mentally ill man kept for seven days without water. that's who he is.

the man was begging for water and he died in sheriff clark's jail. just so you know who he is. here he is in contrast to biden. >> i'm just telling people, hey, you're on your own. think about it, have a plan. act reasonably. you have to act reasonably. then you're going to have to articulate what you did afterwards. have a plan, think it through, be able to articulate it, and be reasonable. it's all the law requires. you have the right to defend yourself. you don't need permission from the police or a sheriff. >> he's basically giving an instruction manual to vigilantes. how divided, janell, just being there in kenosha along the lines of what biden said and what sheriff clarke said? >> it is, of course, always difficult to say and i've talked to some kenosha residents, i would say i certainly heard from

many more people looking for a sense of restored calm and order, but a number of people who are also deeply concerned about what sort of lurks underneath the surface of that restored calm and order as well. just as heather was saying, there is a roughly $20,000 a year income gap between white and black households here in kenosha. there are significant and long-standing concerns about stop an frisk activity in kenosha, being inordinately focused on black people, in particular, black men in kenosha. there is also the question of militia groups. this is a growing phenomenon around the country. i talked with sources who study and track militia groups. it seems militia organizations or members have been spotted and black lives matter protests around the country all summer. >> wow. this is what i describe as an exhaustion election because i

think that's how most people feel in the country right now. janel ross, thank you very much. heather mcghee, jennifer palmieri, thank you. up next on the the "reidout," the family of daniel prude seeking justice after he was suffocated in police custody. >> they did not so no type of respect for human life, none. >> daniel prude's brother, who you just saw right there, joins me next. trump talks law and order, but it's the opposite, it's crime and chaos. he's telling his voters to vote twice. surprise, bill barr is backing him up. the "reidout" continues after this. him up the "reidout" continues after this

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yet another black man has died being restrained by police. it happened in rochester, new york, in march. we're only now seeing the police

body cam footage and only because the family of 41-year-old daniel prude released a portion of it yesterday. we want to warn you the video is disturbing, so prepare yourself for it. it shows prude naked shouting and being restrained with handcuffs. officers say they put a spit hood on prude's head because he was spitting and claimed to have coronavir coronavirus. an officer held prude to the ground while another had a knee on his back. later he becomes unresponsive. he was taken to the hospital where he died seven days later. it's unclear where or how the footage was edited or what happened before hand. protesters from the prude family are calling for the officers to be fired and prosecuted. the police chief said they have launched internal and criminal investigation but declined to discuss the cause of death citing ongoing investigation and a possible lawsuit. late today the mayor announced that the officers involved would be suspended.

according to an autopsy report obtained by the family's attorney prude's debt was caused by complications of asphyxia in the setting of physical restraint, excited dell irium and pcp intoxication were listed as contributing factors. his brother said he called 911 to get help for prude. >> i placed the phone call for my brother to get help, not for my brother to get lynched. >> joining me now is daniel prude's brother, joe prude, along with elliot shield and donald thompson, attorneys for the prude family. thank you all for being here. i really appreciate it. all of our teens deepest condolences, mr. prude. thank you for being here under such difficult circumstances. >> thank you. >> of course, sir. let's talk about this incident. it happened back in march. you initially called for help for your brother.

why? >> you know, i experienced the activity he was saying out of his mouth, kind of shook me up. my brother never acted like that before. he never spoke those type of words. when he spoke those type of words, it made me get a little concerned and it also made me scared. when i came to the conclusion, man, i need go ahead and call and get my brother some help because i never dealt with a situation like this before, so that's what i done. >> my understanding is there had been a couple of deaths in the family that were really bother some to him and he had come to be with you. is that the case? >> no, it wasn't. >> okay. so let me ask you about his behavior that night. the police are saying he was on pcp. he was obviously nude in the street. when you called police, was he already in that state? was he already unclothed and

behaving erratically. >> no. >> he wasn't? >> no, he wasn't. >> so what did you expect to have the police do when they arrived at your home? what did you think they were going to do? >> well, actually like earlier that day i had called and admitted him into the hospital for a mental hygiene arrest, to see if i could get some type of understanding what was causing this behavior to act like that. but that wasn't what i got. they took him in. within three hours they sent him back to my house with medicab with no diagnosis, symptoms saying he was chemically induced by a drug, whatever the case may be. they never mentioned that to nobody. they just sent him home in a medhi cab. >> the night you called for police, the incident that

happened, did that happen near your home? >> yeah, like right around the corner, a few blocks. >> so you didn't see anything that happened. >> i didn't see none of it. >> when you found out, who informed you that your brother had passed? was it the police? >> actually i informed my lawyers that they killed my brother. >> you knew. how did you find out your brother had been killed? >> i don't know how it came in existence for me to feel the way i felt that night, but when the officers came to my door, i stated, like i always stated and continue to state, that he's not a threat to nobody but himself. do not kill my brother. i don't know what made me bring that notion out of my mouth, what made my heart stick with that. after all that arise, i didn't have the clear knowledge on what happened to my brother, i immediately called my lawyers the next day. >> so he was admitted to the

hospital at first. he died later. is that my understanding? >> that's from my recollection, yes. >> so i was watching my colleague, friend and colleague ari melber, the show before mine, he played a clip from the mayor and she said she was unaware of how your brother died. it's surprising and a little distressing. do you think police were honest with you? did police tell you initially what happened, or did you only fully understand what happened all these months later once you got the tapes. >> the police never really told me nothing. all they did, they told me they apprehended my brother, and that was that. they never told me nothing about my brother was placed on life support, he stopped breathing at the scene of the crime. they never told me none of that. >> let me read you a little bit of what new york attorney general leticia james said. this was the statement about his death.

i share the community's concerns about ensuring, special investigations and prosecutions unit of my office is already actively investigating the incident. are you concerned the police weren't honest in their report, weren't honest telling the world or reporting on the way your brother died or what caused his death? >> yes. i really do believe they was dishonest on what they did. never should have took that long for the family to realize what happened to their family member. that was poor conduct on their behalf. if something happened to somebody's family after he had placed a call for help and you don't tell me nothing, coen on, what else am i supposed to believe happened to my brother. you're hiding something. >> let me just real quickly before we lose the time with you guys, let me ask mr. shields, if i can ask a question of the attorney. what's the situation the family is facing right now. it's audit took so long to get

the tape. do you understand why it took so long to get the tape? are you concerned whatever it is officers originally said happened is not accurate? >> we filed a freedom of information request to access the reports and the body camera videos on april 3rd. he died -- the plug was pulled on life support on march 30th. they ignored our request. we had to file an appeal. they only produced the reports. they refused to produce the body camera footage until august 20th. until august 20th. we didn't have the videos showing the full story of what happened. when i initially read the police reports, especially the report by sergeant saying that the officers' actions were appropriate consistent with their training, we knew there was a problem. we knew they had done something wrong. we knew the tactics mark vaughn

used in his report he applied a technique, we knew the technique, another said the knee to the back. we know that's an outlawed technique. they outlawed it because it's a deadly technique. we knew there were problems and they weren't turning over the body camera footage because it was problematic. unfortunately i wasn't surprised when i saw it. >> i want to thank all of you for being here tonight. again, our condolences to you, mr. prude. elliot shield and donald thompson, your co-counsel, thank you for being here tonight. coming up trump's lawless tactics continue as we inch closer to november. now he's telling his supporters they should vote twice, which as you know is totally illegal. we're back after this. is total. we're back after this. - hey, can i... - safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys!

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outrage public health disparity and so are the disparities we're seeing with coronavirus, all of which is to say that week in march changed my world, sure, but changed everybody's. the question has been and is nouhou we handle it, how we hold ourselves accountable. how we hd ourselves accountable. donald trump is promising to make america safe again by run as law and order president. many business dealings and quite possibly his s.a.t. scores, it's all a sham. it's neg but. he breaks the law because he doesn't know the law. he doesn't care for it. he acts as if laws don't apply to him or his family. he surrounds himself with

associates who have broken the law. populating with ex-security adviser michael flynn, went to prison for lying to the fbi about back door discussions with russian. money laundering, witness tampering. michael cohen trump's former attorney and fixer unaddicted co-conspirator to a crime. trump turned the white house, people's house into mega fantasy land for his re-election campaign, causing everyone who attended to violate the hatch act as did secretary of state who stuchd for trump from israel. when he feels the heat around the corner, he attempts to obstruct justice, firing u.s. attorney who investigated his allies and looking for loopholes to block the manhattan district attorney from obtaining his tax returns. trump's idea of imposing law and order across america is unleash police and military against those who are protesting against his administration's failings only to denounce law enforcement

when they are investigating him and his cronies. now trump is encouraging americans to vote twice, which is a crime. donald trump proves once again that he is not the law and order president. he's, indeed, the president of lawlessness, mob mentality and fear. such flagrant disregard for the law would never fly in a normal presidency. but as we all know nothing about this moment is normal. we also know that trump gets away with it because the enabler of all this chaos happens to be the top law enforcement official of the country who acts instead as the hand of the king. we'll have more on that next. d . we'll have more on that next introducing stocks by the slice from fidelity. now you can trade stocks and etfs for any amount you choose

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be caught, if you vote in person. >> that would be illegal if they did that. >> i don't know what the law in the particular states say. >> you can't vote twice. >> i don't know what the law in the particular state says. when it becomes final -- >> attorney general william barr who seems willing to tip the scales for the president. joining me professor tribe, allow me to quote one dan rather, who i'm pretty sure is not a lawyer, just a great journalist. a reminder it's illegal to vote twice but not to impeach dwight. i mean do i have to have an eminent constitutional lawyer to tell folks it's illegal to vote two times. >> i feel somewhat superfluous,

i think most know it's illegal to vote twice. i'm surprised he stopped at two times. his crazy idea is you're just sort of testing the system like saying i'm not really intending to rob the bank, i'm just wanting to see if their alarm system will work. not much of a defense. when bill barr says i don't know the law of north carolina. the fact is every state makes it illegal to vote both by mail and in person, and it's also, by the way, a violation of federal law, a federal felony subject to imprisonment. so the president committed a federal felony, as well as a known in the law of north carolina, when he urged people to violate the law. and the attorney general of the united states also in urging people to follow the president's lead committed a felony, but i

doubt he'll prosecute himself. you know, you don't have to impeach twice. you could impeach once. as far as i know, bill barr has never been impeached yet, and he certainly has committed impeachable offenses. >> very good point. let's let kayleigh mcenany have a shot, a harvard graduate. >> i'm sorry about that. >> the president is not suggesting anyone do anything unlawful. what he said very clearly there is make sure your vote is tabulated. if it is not, then vote. >> send it in early and then go and vote. isn't that telling someone to go vote twice? >> the president said send it in early. go and see if it's been tabulated. if it hasn't been tabulated, then vote. it's very clear. what democrats are saying is we want a system full of fraud and zero accountability and zero verification. >> i'm going to -- even attempting to vote twice is a

felony, right? >> right. and moreover, what he's trying to do, and what mcenany is trying to do as well is trying to confuse people, make it look like there's some special way to crawl into the system and figure out whether they have tabulated your vote yet. and while you're doing it, commit another felony. i think we have to calm down and realize that all of the state attorneys general and secretaries of state have said they have got this under control. they know if you vote by mail. it may be you don't have a bar code of the sort that would be nice. you don't have a receipt. but you can rely on the fact that your vote will be tabulated. and the president is trying to make everyone think the system is so broken that we just can't trust the results. it's a putin-like technique. don't believe the system works and it becomes a self-fulfilling

prophecy. we can't let him get away with it. >> i think the thing that is frightening about barr, nobody that paid attention to him believes he would prosecute. if donald trump had thousands of people committing voter fraud, barr would look the other way, which is scary. there's another thing trump is trying to do, which i'm excited to get your expert opinion whether this is illegal. donald trump is looking to defund america's cities, meaning he would also be defunding their police departments, since he says he's pro police. he wants to cut funding to democratic cities. excise them from the rest of their states and cut the funding to those cities. if the money that comes from the federal government was appropriated by congress, can donald trump zero it out? >> no, he doesn't have a special spitti spigot. he doesn't have the power of the purse. he can't give the power to the

attorney general that cities that are -- it's an attempt to scare people to do his bidding. he must have slept through high school civics. he doesn't have the power unless congress specifies certain circumstances in which money will not be given to cities. he's just pulling it out of some part of his body, maybe out of his hat, and he's making it up as he goes along. it's really remarkable. every day two or three more clear violations of the law. for a law and order president, there isn't a lot of order and certainly no law. >> let's just take a look at his friend group. here is a list of the trump associates who have been arrested or convicted of crimes. you've got steve bannon who defrauded trump's own supporters by raking in their money to fake build a wall. george papadopoulos, go through

them. do you find it awry he calls himself law and order president given what he's done. >> you could call it ironic. that's a polite word for it. it's b.s. this president is lawless in the extreme. he thinks not only is he the state but there is no such thing as the state or the law. he is the law. he thinks he can do whatever he wants. he and his family are simply the royal family. they are dictators. it's really a fascist technique. it's really dangerous to the democracy. so let's hope that he does not succeed in confusing everyone enough to lower the voting turnout and somehow manage to pull out a victory. it would really be dangerous for constitutional democracy for this to go on any more than two

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a very common refrain that i was asked was, does the president's rhetoric make your job harder? and the answer is yes. the president's actions in his language are, in fact, racist. things like very fine people on both sides or send them back to where they came from. those words gave permission to white supremacists to think that what they were doing was permissible. and i do think that the president's divisive language is indirectly tied to some of the attacks that we have seen in the last few years. >> that was elizabeth newman.

she resigned in april. her portfolio included screening and vetting threats from home grown terrorism or right wing extremism. she says in january plans were in place to deal with a pandemic, but colleagues told her despite warning the administration of what was to come, the white house did nothing. last month she told the world that she could not in good conscious vote for trump again because he makes the world less safe. elizabeth newman, former assistant secretary or counter terrorism joins me now. it is good to see you again. haven't seen you since this convention, so thank you for stopping by to talk with us. i want to show you something. hopefully you can see this on your screen. i want to show you donald trump who is in pennsylvania. look at that. that is a huge rally. i don't know how many people are there. but we tried to zoom in to see if we saw masks, didn't see a lot of masks.

it's basically a potential super spreader event. when you see him doing something like that, you talked about the fact that there was a plan to deal with the coronavirus pandemic. i imagine something like this would not be part of the plan. what do you make of it? >> yes. those pictures are quite alarming. you know, the challenge that we have is we have a man that loves to campaign that, maybe putter put, loves to be the target of a crowd. he gets frustrated when he's pent up and not entertaining. and i think the -- many of the consequences that we are dealing with now in covid being mishandled are directly tied to him not wanting to -- to -- if you go back to january impeachment happened in january, and he just was ready to move

on. he was ready to campaign and do these rallies. and then you had the public health officials telling him, this is not good. we need to activate our plans. we need to take this seriously, and he rebuffed them multiple times until the stock market dropped. as soon as the economy tanked, all of a sudden, he decided we need to take action, but even in taking the action that they did, it was chaotic, it was not clear who was in charge and they could not put together a coherent communications plan so that we, as americans, knew what we were supposed to do. and it just led to further chaos which thankfully we had many strong governors step up and stand in the gap. but that's not what our plans were designed to do. and to be clear, when i talk about these plans, these were planned that were designed 15 years ago. they have been updated. they have been exercised. they were exercised at the

beginning of the trump administration. this is a threat that we knew was a matter of when, not if. and for the federal government to have responded so poorly is just a damning sentence on the way that this administration has governed. >> you know, yes, i think most people agree with you that are watching right now. i want to show, read a little bit from this atlantic article that was really alarming to me. i want the get your take on it as somebody that worked in the national security realm. this is about donald trump not wanting to travel to a seminary -- sorry, a cemetery. it is the resting place of 2,289 americans who died during the battle of bellawood during world war i in 1918, 1,060 additional soldiers are there, too.

he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain and because he did not believe it important to honor american war dead according to people. trump said why should i go to that cemetery? it's filled with losers. his niece has a trump where he talks about the fact that his father disparaged military service, become very angry that the one trump who ever tried to do military service, the older brother joined the national guard and the father became very, very angry. he's called george w.h. bush a loser for being shot down during world war ii. he disparaged general kelly's son sacrifice, like why did he do that? and said that during an event in which there would be military personnel, he didn't want any amputees to be there because, according to trump, nobody wants to see that. donald trump's attitude toward the military and his

disparagement of them, your thoughts on that? >> it's heart-breaking. i have friends that have served in the military or spouses of folks in the military. the amount of sacrifice that they go through on a daily basis just to function and live as a family in the military, it's phenomenal what they do to sacrifice for us, to keep us safe. that the idea that the commander in chief would care more about himself than the people that protect him day in and day out that allowed him to be successful in business, i'm failing to have the right words because it's just so heart-breaking and yet another example of this man cares only about himself, his policies, his rhetoric. it's all about securing the election, about keeping power and making himself look good.

cares more about ratings. he cares more about his appearance than he does about the substance. >> yeah. >> which is why i found my work so frustrating. >> yeah. >> we made a lot of progress at that practical subject matter expertise level but we couldn't make the progress we needed to because he wasn't willing to focus on it. >> indeed. i wish i had more time with you. thank you very much for being here tonight. really appreciate it. that is tonight's reid out. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in". >> let me be clear, if president trump and his administration had done their jobs, american schools would be open. >> as the rest of the world begins the post coronavirus era, the unique american failure of donald trump. >> then a president pushing to rush a vaccine out by election day. we'll take a look at what happened the last time