since 9/11 was doing a warm up test and reminding me it is that time of the year again. i think mike pence is going to visit new york. we have this national mourning for the 3,000 americans that we lost on that day and still 20 years later appropriately or properly so. maybe it is because it is still happening around us so we don't have that. basically faces of covid is the closest there is right now to anything being done and memorialize in a systematic way. i appreciate the work you are doing now who runs that twitter page, faces of covid. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for the work you do on the show, it means a lot to us. >> thank you, that's "all in" on this thursday night, "the rachel maddow show" starts right now.

>> i am really glad you highlighted that. thank you my friend. >> thank you, they're doing great work. >> thank you, tom for joining us. when mary trump came out about her uncle about the president a few weeks ago, you remember that book, it became number one best seller, it sold a zillion cop s copies. there is a lot in the book that honestly more flushed on the bones that we already have a feeling of when it comes to this book. new details of racism and sexist from him. the book is full of alarming information that's why it is sold widely.

but, i will tell you, reading it what i felt reading it that a lot of the worse stuff in the book fit the general contours of what we already come to learn about the president of his public life. it gave us more details and further antidote bolsters what we already know for a lot of the big stuff. that's it. there were a few things in mary trump's book that stood out absolutely new and at least when i read the book for the first time just disconnect from anything, not about him including this passage i want to share with you from chapter 11 of mary trump's book. it is a scene of mary and her brother was talking to their uncle robert. the president's brother who recently died. mary and fritsch are talking about money in the family. the president's father, the profoundly rich, fred trump sr.

had just died and mary and her brother had learned they were being cut out of the will. and they're having a conversation about it. this is how mary trump relays that is conversation, "at our first meeting when we asked rob to explain why my grandfather had done what we had, listen, your grandfather did not give a bleep about you and any of the grandchildren. we are being treated worse because our father died. when we pointed out that our cousins who are grandchildren of fred, they still benefit the money their parents were getting. uncle robert says any of them could be disowned any time. donny was going to join the army or some bull-bleep like that. donal and ivana told him if he did, they would disown him in a

second." there were family discussions on this matter that president trump told his son, don jr. that he would be disowned from the trump family if he committed this grave sin. and like i said a lot of mary trump's book fits the countdown toucontours of what we know about the president. i am about to show you a portion of mary trump on that subject that has never aired before. watch. >> in terms of what americans should take from this. i feel like you define something that's psychologically interesting in terms of us figuring out who he is and why he may think the way he did. there are also some things that you describe he would see as

contrary to the public and what he has created. there is an antidote that you shared in the book where you said your cousin, donald trump jr. at one point enlisted in the army and it was relayed to you that your uncle, the president, would be disinherited if he enlisted? >> yes, my uncle robert told me that story. >> do you think that's true or did you ever have any corroboration of it? >> i have had no corroboration but i believe there is literally no reason for him to make such a thing up. it is pretty specific thing to lie about. it is striking because your father has made a big deal that he went to a military boarding

school. he built that up as a sign of his respect for the military so the idea that he would go to a military theme school and that would be a source of pride but his son wanting to join the actual military would be a source of shame or something punished. that's quite a disconnect. >> and yeah, just be clear my uncle and not my dad. >> yes. >> there is a great disconnect. >> sorry. >> no problem. >> there is a real disconnect there and donald later doing everything in his power and my grandfather is doing everything in his power to make sure that donald did not have to serve. i am not entirely sure i know how to explain it. >> i am not entirely sure i know how to explain it. >> what she's referring to in terms of doing everything in my

power to make sure donald did not have to serve. that's a reference to a multiple deferme defermen deferment. but mary trump that's her talking about this antidote where she disclosed in her book where it was discussed openly in her family, her uncle, president trump, would not let her son join the military. that to me reading mary trump's book is new which is why i asked her about. but that antidote is kind of stuck with me. it seems strange. i have since realized that it tracks with something else that's reported from the president's life. something reported last summer

by gabriel sherman at vanity fair. a source had passed to him appears to be a prenuptial dpree agreement that he signed with one of his wives before his second wife. i know -- i hate talking about this stuff. what is relevant here is baby tiffany was already on the scene when the president signed this prenuptial agreement with marla of what the financial agreement would between them if their marriage did not work out. now, there is a part of that, that stands out as well. this is from gabe sherman's reporting last summer.

more than anything, the prenuptial shows how fearlessly trump wants to protect the money. marla maples wanted $25 million if the marianne fariage failed. but trump agreed to pay her $1 million and another $1 million to buy a house. miss maples agreed to these terms with the hope that trump would renee shat a better deal in five years. and that history of course, you know, is uncomfortable alongside the president's constant effort

to associate himself with the military and wanting military parades helping his honor and the rest of it. it is also just a little bit strange, right, just as a human thing to do. i mean parents of course worry about the safety of their son or daughter signing up to the military and may end up going to war, we all understand that. we also understand that military family on the whole are proud of their sons and daughters who serve. my dad is a vet and i am hugely proud of him and my cousin is a vet and i am thankful of their service. threatening your kids that they'll be cut-off and no longer your kid if they enlist? it is just not a normal thing. especially for somebody who's so l loud now and proclaiming how much he loves the military more than anybody else in the

country. now tonight the yuck factor has come to pretty gross focus with a just jaw-dropping new piece reporter by jeffery goldberg that was published by "the atlantic." it does put the focus on something odd and wrong at the center of this. you see the headline here. tr trump says americans who died at war are losers and suckers. trump rejected the idea of the visit to that cemetery and memorial because he feared his

hair would become desheveled in the rain. why should i go to that cemetery? it feels like losers. trump referred to the more 1800 u.s. marines who lost their lives as "suckers for getting ki killed." t trump on that same trip asked staffers, "who were the good guys in this war" and he also said he did not understand why the u.s. would intervene on the side of the allies. jeffery goldberg reported tonight that the president telling staffers he does not know which side we should root

for from world war i, the side with america on it or the german side. this piece is just published tonight. jeffe jeffery goldberg pursued this line of inquiry , the president never paid a price for disparaging a family of the u.s. military whose family killed from iraq. >> he's not a war hero. he's a war hero because he's captured. i like people who were not captured. i hate to tell you. jeffery goldberg says he's fascinated with the president's take on this matter. he did not pay a political price

for those strange comments and attacks to make on america world hero. goldberg says there was no precedent in american politics for the expression of this sort of contempt but the patriotic trump did no damage to his candidacy by attacking mccain in this manner. trump remained fixated in mccain. trump said "we are not going to go support that loser funeral." what the f are we doing that for? that guy were an f-loser. trump seems to genuinely not understand why americans treat

prisoners of war with respect nor does he understand why pilots shut down in combat are honored by the military. the former president bush escaped capture but eight other men shot down were caught and tortured and executed by japanese soldiers. president trump extends to the world war i, people who were killed fr more than a quarter century before he was born. on memorial day, trump visited arlington national cemetery, a short drive, he was accompanied by john kelly. the two men trump and kelly were

set to visit section 60, the 4 acres areal of arlington. john kelly's son is buried in section 60. he was 29 years old. president trump was meant on this visit to join john kelly and paying respects at his son's grave and comfort the family about their fallen service members. according to sources with knowledge of the visit, trump while standing by robert kell kelley's grave and turned to kelly's father and said "i don't get it, what was in it for them"? john kelly initially believe that trump was making a reference to the selflessness of america's voluntary source. later he realized that trump does not understand non-transactional life choices.

he can't fathom the idea of doing something for someone other than himself. he just thinks anyone who does anything when there is no direct personal gain is a sucker. there is no money in serving the nation. kelly's friend went on the say, trump can't imagine anyone else's pain that's why he would say this to a father of a fallen marine in the cemetery where he's buried. goldberg says i have asked numerous officers for their analysis of trump's seeming contempt for military service. in other explanation, the president believers nothis noth worth doing without the monetary

pay back. according to eye witnesses after one white house briefing given by chairman of chief of staff, general dunford, trump said "that guy is smart, why did he skroin t join the military." several observers told me trump is deeply anxious of dying or being disfigured. trump claims that he received the bodies of service members many, many times but in fact he travels over air force base only

four times since becoming president. trump has been for the duration of his presidency fixated on staging military parade but only a certain sort. trump asked his staff not to include wounded veterans on ground spectators would feel uncomfortable. quote ", no one wants to see that." >> that's jeffery goldberg writing in "the atlantic" tonight. the white house responded by calling this "false and disgraced." but goldberg got backup here on his reporting.

james laporta wrote this "as senior defense department official i just spoke with confirmed this story by jeffery goldberg in its entirety." he joins us next who was shot down while serving in afghanistan. a blistering response for the president tonight. that's all ahead, stay with us. president tonight. that's all ahead, stay with us ♪ where everybody knows your name ♪ ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪ applebee's. now that's eating good in the neighborhood.

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tonight we got this unnerving report from jeffery g g goldberg from "the atlantic." on the passing of john mccain,

trump did in the hospital want to go to his funeral and calling him "a loser." following the release of that upsetting report tonight, james laporta, tweeted out this in support of goldberg's reporting. "a senior defense official i spoke with confirmed the story by jeffery goldberg of its entirety. joining us now is james laporta. he's also a u.s. marine veteran. thank you so much for being here tonight and i appreciate you making the time on short notice. >> thank you for having me. >> the white house responded to

jeffery goldberg by saying it is false and saying it is a giveaway and false reporting meant to smear the president. to hear you tell it and you backed out of what goldberg reported and you got your own sources to say this really happened. >> that's correct. the officer agreed on the same things that are in this story. they are quite shocking. whn i first saw when i first saw it i did not want to believe it and especially with the part of bill wood.

the idea that the german army calls marines which translates them to the devil dog. the marine regiment -- this was quite surprising to see tonight. >> here the president demogrades and also a sort of insight of the president's consistently criticizing service and sacrifice that a lot of americans may have mixed feelings of the deployment of u.s. military forces around the

world and whether or not we are fighting. i think people have different opinions with that. i feel it is universal that everybody has respect and gratitude for anybody who serves in uniform who has been wounded and risked their lives. for the president to find it distasteful or negative of a form of service that he did not want to be around. i never come across that in human life, led alone in a commander in chief or any sort of u.s. leader. i have to ask you on all of your reporting have you heard of anybody ever being described as having those sorts of revulsi s revulsions? >> to be honest, i have not. if we can go back to the original comment he made about the late senator john mccain, at that point in time one could

politically brush it off maybe he made the comment about senator mccain that he's not as war hero because he did not like the guy or he disagrees with his politics and military veterans still voted for him. and at that time frame, i saw both democrats and republicans both condemned those comments. but now we have more examples and more of the same and it is not, it is not as simple as you know the president does not like someone's politics. i don't know what this is going to do the military veteran culture but what i can say is that i do know there is a recent military time poll that came out a few days ago. it shows that nearly half

respon respondents had an unfavorable view of the president, disapprove of his time in service and more willing to vote for former vice president biden over president trump. so, what i would be interested to see is how does this change the dynamic in terms of veterans who are moderate republicans, are they going to swing a vote over the democratic side or does you know the hard liners to stay in place. that's what's going to be interesting for me. >> james, laporta, james, thank you for joining us on short notice. i know you are right in the middle of reporting this yourself. >> thank you. >> thank you.

this story today as it broke this evening also earned a response from a woman named m.j. hager, a democratic nominee for u.s. senate in texas. this is what she had to say in response to goldberg posting this report in "the atlantic" tonight. "i am one of the pilots that got shot down. our commander in chief thinks that that makes me a loser, this is disgraceful, donald trump is unfit to be commander in chief. >> she is running against u.s. senate john cornyn. she has been in harder fights like that. she served three tours in afghanistan and her chopper was shot down and she was wounded and received a purple heart for

her injuries. if this reporting beares out an there are now two reporters who say it is, m.j.hegar. i am pleased to welcome m.j m.j. hegar. thank you for joining us tonight on short notice. >> it is not easy speaking on this and i am having a visceral responding to the reporting. i have met so many wounded and dying and dead patriots that served this country. more republicans than democrats by the way. this is not a political thing for me. this is about when our men and women in uniform put our lives on the line, we can only do so

with a clear mind for the mission because we are trusting the people that put us there. and so for me this is not about politics. i would be calling out a democrat who said the same thing, i never heard anyone saying these types of things. it is kricritical when we are talking about a commander in chief who has troops on his finger tips. it does put into context of some of the decisions, gutting the state department, robbing from the military budget to build a border wall, so it does put some of these things in context. it sounds to me like a highly insecure person, maybe because i have toddlers so i have grown to understand how to recognize a bully and understand the deep level of insecurity that creates a bully. that's what this sounds like to me. it is somebody that's damn lucky

that those of us put our uniform onto sacrifice for our country bus that puts him in a position to have the freedom to make these types of statements. the men in uniform would fight and die. all we ask is to do so in a clear mind and a true heart and doing it with the respect and the sacrifice that is we make. >> the profound disrespect specifically for the sacrifice is the thing that i can't get over here. jeffery goldberg is a very good reporter. he said he has four sources who heard the president say why should i go to that cemetery, it is filled with losers. four sources in a separate conversation on the same trip, the president referred to the more 1800 marines lost their lives referring to them as suckers for getting killed. i know you said this is not

political, i have to say any human beings saying this in any context and the idea like you being wounded or god forbid dying while you serve your country, that makes you repu repulsive. have you ever heard anything like this before? >> i feel like we should be asking a psychologist where this comes from. i think it is projection and i think he's so rejected. we have seen him attacking transgender troops who are trying to serve our country and acting like they're not good enough. i say it has to come to a place that he's not good enough. he would never make ilt t as a pilot or i won't go into details of the things he would do under

duress but i would say even though it is not political. you mentioned something critical in your reporting and gold bebe did in his reporting is he's gotten away with it. who's there to hold him accountable? us. we need to answer the call and do something about this. not only to vote but bring five people with you to vote or volunteer for campaigns and make your voices heard. we have to serve multiple parties and commander in chief. it is extraordinary for generals to be speaking out and it is difficult for me to run for office and make my politics known because it is going against years of training to keep my mouth shut about such things. the time is now to stand up for our men and women that put on

their uniform. we are going to see that this is not going to be unique. right now i can't think of anyone else that that has done this. if he gets away with this, we'll see more examples of this. >> m.j.hager, three tours in afghanistan and a pilot. thank you so much for joining us. it is absolutely flabber gagast. thank you so much. >> thank you so much rachel for putting the attention to it. >> just while i was speaking to mj there, we had a response to vice president biden to this new reporting that'll curl your hair. i will have it for you when we come back. stay with us. it for you when we come back. stay with us

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we are going to continue the reaction tonight to this reporting of "the atlantic" from

jeffery goldberg. americans who die in wars are losers and suckers. goldberg cited antidotes with multiple resources. the president referred to u.s. members who died in combat are losers. the associated press posted laporta's piece as well. we just had a response from vice president joe biden with a statement in response. "if the revelation of today's statement are true, then they

are yet another marker of how deeply president trump and i disagree about the role of the president of the united states." we have made supporting military spouses - the sacrifice and bravery of our troops and their willingness to serve our nation should be honored. duty on our country. those are the values that drives

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evacuati vaccination date a month aw away -- officials insist no corners are being cut but the timetable is simply too short of any vaccines. jonesi joining us now is laurie garret. thank you so much for making the time, i know you are in the middle of a lot of stuff. >> yes, i am. i noticed that my lights are not bright enough for you. oh well, i am in the dark. >> it is all right. we tell everybody just to squint a little bit. one of the things that alarmed me in your piece today of foreign policy is that you

described the saddest right now of all the multiple vaccine efforts that including the most promising ones that there are no standards by the fda or by anybody for comparing the relative effectiveness and safety of all the vaccines that are being explored. >> it's a huge point. and i'm so glad that you caught it because it is easy to overlook. we don't have any -- we don't have any real standard that any company is required to use to measure the ethicacy of their product. so every company has their own tests, their own ways of saying, oh, we raised t-cell response as measured by this, you know, standard. but no two companies are using exactly the same standards. and so what we have is a hodgepodge of information that is often released in public

relations releases, not in sophisticated scientific journals. and it's very hard even for people whose full-time gig is making vaccines who have years and years of experience, it is still hard for them to understand and compare the various vaccines. >> laurie, you describe even the front running vaccines, including some products and development in the uk and from some american companies as still signing up volunteers for their clinical trials, which are expected to involve at least 30,000 people for potential vaccine. in terms of someone who knows this well, can you explain to our viewers what that means in terms of the expected timing, when a vaccine that's proven both effective and safe might reasonably appear on the scene and be ready to be distributed given where they are in the pipeline right now in terms of development. >> right.

so first of all, all the front running vaccines require two doses. and they have to be separated by at least a week, in some cases two weeks. so the first thing is you've got to get 30,000 people or more and divide them between the placebo group and the vaccine group and that's all blinded it has to be handled carefully so no one knows who's who. then you give them their first vaccine, wait two weeks, give them the second vaccine and then wait for their natural exposure event. are they in some location where there is a lot of covid floating around and they're likely to expose. then you compare, bring all of them back and compare and see, did the vaccine work? did it protect people? and you see that by virtue of comparing the vaccine arm and saying the vaccine arm got 10%

less covid or 100% less covid. that is what you'd really like. now, all of this takes time. and if a company still hasn't even enrolled 30,000 people for their study, they are certainly not going to be ready to start poking people in the arms too soon and wait two weeks for the next round. so just looking at the math and the timing, it's very, very hard to imagine how you get to halloween with all your results done. in fact, the big meeting that has been announced for assessing available vaccines at fda is october 22nd. so it's less time than waiting until november 1st. it's really close. >> and given what you have seen from the fda and other u.s. health agencies over the course of this epidemic, do you think it's possible that they really

are going to try to roll something out on november 1st for maximum political effect even if it hasn't met the kind of thresholds you would expect that the fda would usually serve as a gate keeper for? do you think the fda would allow this to proceed in a way that wouldn't be safe? >> well, at least two top officials working inside the fda will said they will resign if a vaccine is ruled out pr maturely, where there is inadequate information to certify its safety and it's ethicacy. i just don't see how you can possibly get to november 1st just looking at where all the products are in the pipeline right now and say, yeah, we know it's safe. for one thing, there are many types of side effects associated with vaccines over the last 40

years that don't turn up right away. it may take some time to be noted. and more importantly, there are ones that statistically are so rare that a sample of 30,000 people would probably not catch, statistically not catch that side effect. for example, this paralyzing guillen barre of the 1976 vaccination campaign ordered by general ford, that appeared in one out of ten million recipients. so a sample pool of 30,000 is very unlikely to spot something that rare. >> health policy analyst, pulitzer prize winning science journalist. thank you for helping us understand that this evening. you are a very good explainer. thank you for being with us. >> also, we're going to post on

our blog tonight a link to a really good op ed piece by rick pearlstein about that experience with the swine flu vaccination and what went so wrong there. that's what she just referenced right there. stay with us. we'll be right back. ht back.

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that is going to do it for us tonight. one thing to watch for in tomorrow's news. there will be an emergency nato meeting tomorrow about an assassination by russia that put alex say navalny in a coma. they will come up with a response to that tomorrow, which means there will likely be an expression of nato criticizing russia tomorrow which in our country means, what, trump pulls us out of nato tomorrow in response? brace yourself. watch this space. right now it is time for "the last word" can lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, rachel. we will continue the breaking news story. donald trump refusing to visit a