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attorney michael cohen unearthing details of the unsavory relationship of him and our current president but first concerns this morning regarding a second wave of coronavirus expected to hit in the fall. reports that surge 2.0 as it's described by experts will strike right around the election. according to latest model from the university of washington's institute for health met russell westbrooks and evaluation, the current death toll could double by early november and models forecast projections of more than 400,000 deaths in total by the year's end. currently more than 189,000 people have died in the united states from covid-19. more than 6.2 million americans have been infected and all this as trump who has down played the devastation since the start of the pandemic remains hopeful that it will one day just go away. now, with 58 days rehmaning until americans head to the polls, trump is fixated on a
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vaccine by election day to help his own bid ramping up the demand on public health officials to get that done. "the washington post" reporting trump's repeated pressure on the fda not only to approve a vaccine but also to advance unproven coronavirus treatments has undermined public confidence in the fda as well as in other federal agencies according to medical professionals. democratic vice presidential candidate senator kamala harris questioning whether president trump can be trusted with the vaccine process. >> i will say that i would not trust donald trump and it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he is talking about. i will not take his word for it. >> meanwhile trump still feeling the fallout and the criticism tied to the comments of those
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that lay their lives down for the country and referring to the nation's war dead as losers and suckers just won't go away. "the washington post" reporting that fox news reporter jennifer griffin's colleagues came to her defense. trump's also losing support of a growing list of republicans, one in particular, rick snider, the former governor of michigan, a key battleground state in the coming election saying that when's endorsing joe biden adding that biden would quote bring back civility and labeling trump as quote a bully. he's just one of nearly 100 prominent republican and independent leaders who endorsed biden this past book as part of the newly formed listen con project coalition called republicans and independents for biden. i want do go back to the one time trump confidant michael cohen who's recently released from prison, the former trump lawyer has a new book scheduled
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for release in tuesday called "disloyal: a memoir." there's a portrait of constellation of characters president trump and calling him one of trump's bad guys and describes the president as a cheat, a liar, a fraud, a bully, a racist, a predator, a con man. cohen acknowledges his own challenges throughout the 432-page book and trump's designated thug and discusses his convictions in service to trump. the memoir describes episodes of trump's alleged racism in the hatred and contempt of barack obama. but some of the most damning details in "the washington post" reporting out of cohen's book about donald trump's relationships with or
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relationship with russia and russian president vladimir putin. quote, trump's admiration of russian president vladimir putin is simpler than many assume. above all he writes trump loves money and wrongly identified putin as the richest man in the world by a multiple. trump loved putin because the russian leader had the ability to quote take over an entire nation and run it like it was his internal company, like the trump organization in fact. according to cohen, trump's sycophantic praise of the russian leader began as a way to suck up and ensure the access to the oligarch's money after he lost the election and claims trump came to understand that putin's hatred of nominee hillary clinton dating back to the support of the 2011 protest movement in russia could also help trump amass more power in the united states. now, the white house is calling the account on russia baseless and argues that cohen has no
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credibility. joining us now, barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney in michigan, university of michigan law professor and msnbc legal analyst. good morning. thank you for joining us this morning. first of all, is there anything that you have heard in the reporting about michael cohen's book that leads you to believe that the president faces any legal scrutiny? >> well, certainly the russia information in there confirms some of the things we have known and michael cohen says he wouldn't say that it amounts to conspiracy, more like a confluence of interest and consistent with what robert mueller found. i think the more damaging things relate to financial transactions. he provides additional details of the transactions to pay off two women and although the federal government may not be pursuing these further, the southern district of new york described individual 1 in his charging documents, michael
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cohen's, it does not appear that the federal government will pursue the charges but more details for the manhattan district attorney perhaps to charge the transactions and i see not only now perhaps some sort of false business transaction charge but money laundering detailing the way money was used to pay and then be reimbursed to conceal that transaction that could amount to a count of money laundering. i could see evidence. >> some reporting of "the new york times" and charlie savage and want to read the quote from the article of "court approves warrantless surveillance rules while scolding fbi." it says a person familiar with internal deliberations that ratcliffe ordered the office's communications staff not to talk to "the new york times" after a story in early august published in "the new york times" magazine about white house pressure to down play intelligence about russia's covert efforts to help
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president trump win the 2020 election. a spokeswoman for mr. ratcliffe declined to comment which that last line is telling unto itself, an allegation that they have told people not to talk to a national newspaper that was critical of that office. >> yeah. this is incredibly dangerous. it is not a crime but it is contrary to government policy relating to the press. when i worked at the u.s. attorney we had strict rules not to familiar or disfamiliar any particular news args because that's a chilling effect on the publications. if you want access you need to report favorable things and avoid reporting unfavorable things and ironic the way they punish "the new york times" for writing about the politicization of the intelligence community to further politicize it. it's a dangerous precedent.
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>> there's a passage in the book in which "the washington post" describes cohen reveals new alleged details about the convoluted effort of a national enquirer report smearing senator cruz. cohen says that trump signed off on the baseless report to damage cruz one of the rivals in the 2016 republican primary. it is not real, right, trump allegedly asked after being shown a photograph and the magazine would depict cruz's father with lee harvey oswald. looks real to me, cohen responded according to the book prompting trump to laugh as he demanded that the story be run on the tabloid's front page. so interesting juxtaposition, the trump hand picked national security -- director of national intelligence holding off on information to "new york times," donald trump insisting that
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something damaging to a political opponents put on the front page of another publication. >> news to president trump at least based on the allegations is not about informing the public, not about sharing information but serving his agenda. that which favors him to be published. that which harms him is not and not the way it's supposed to work in the united states. it feels very orwellian with the leader controlling the narrative and pushing things that are false as long as they serve his purposes. >> not necessarily illegal. unusual, improper and a continued breaking of the norms. good morning to you, barbara. thank you for joining us this morning. barbara mcquade is former united states attorney in michigan. well, the fallout from the president's comments about military members calling them losers and suckers continues.
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i want to introduce deborah lee james, former secretary of the air force and author of "aim high." deborah, thank you for being with us. i want to ask you about, you have had a little chance to digest the news reported in "the atlantic" but you have actually -- we have heard this before. you as a military veteran understand that the president has had disdain for members of the military in the past. >> well, ali, let me just say that this latest reporting if true is just another gut punch to everyone who has served, our current military, our yvette rans and people like me who actually has always been a civilian in support of our military. this is a gut punch to anybody who truly cares deeply about our military and their mission. >> yes, of course. thank you for the clarification. you are a civilian but the air force secretary so these -- people who served in the military under your charge and
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it is kind of remarkable the degree to which the president revels in the pageantry of the military, reports in a new book by a former friend of melania trump's about the fact that he wanted goose stepping and tanks at his inaugurations and yet he cannot seem to understand the basic things that those of us who have not served in the military understand and that is that people do it for a cause larger than themselves. >> absolutely. i think we are hearing over and over again a theme about this president. this president's cause is himself. it's all about him and he will use the military when it is to his benefit, as a prop, as a backdrop when it serves his purpose and his purpose is re-election and his own self aggrandizement, money, power. these are his you weres, all about him but coming to the simple act of showing empathy to a grieving family or coming to
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the simple act of visiting and showing honor at a military cemetery where thousands of marines are buried and lost their lives in world war i, simple acts of kindness that most americans would get off the bat and the first person to be supportive in this way is the commander in chief. the sense is that he doesn't have our back. >> talk to me about the imp implications of that. there might be members of the military who were unswayed until now who say, look, we won't vote for him, people who think donald trump's behavior has been reprehencible but there's something more important where we have a volunteer military, where people have been at war for in this case almost two decades to not have the faith of your commander in chief will have strategic and tactical implications. >> absolutely.
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i wouldn't be surprised if donald trump is re-elected i wouldn't be surprised if there's increasing difficulties because there already are bigger challenges coming to recruiting and retention. people have a need to believe in their leaders. they have a need to know that they -- that others have their back and words like this, we forget words count and his words, there's always a tweet and even though he denies certain actions there's a tweet to back it up. losers and words like this he used them before and absolutely doesn't draw the line in attacking the service of people like senator john mccain and former president bush. the real issue is those two individuals disagreed with him. if they had agreed with him, if they had been sycophants for him, he would have had a completely different way to talk about the service but they were not and he has no problem with
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attacking their service. >> in trying to distinguish himself from joe biden this is a bad distinction to make. joe biden whether people support him or not is understood as somebody that holds the military in high regard and suffered personal loss. talking about losers and suckers imprisoned or lose wars or killed in battle, talking about joe biden's son. >> absolutely. you're talking about many other's sons iand daughters and one thing that struck me and hit me most deeply because i took a particular interest in our wounded warriors and the activities that we have within the air force to help them to recover, the very thought that our president would have said that we don't want these wounded in the parades because people don't want to see this, that was probably the most deepest hurt that i have felt of all. >> it's remarkable. deborah lee james, former air force secretary, thank you for joining us this morning. still ahead, new accusations
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it hurts to breathe. jacob blake, the black man shot in the back seven times by kenosha, wisconsin, police is speaking out from his hospital bed, paralyzed from the waist down and through his pain jacob is encouraging others to live life to the fullest. >> it's a lot more life to live out here, man. your life and not only just your life your legs, something that you need to move around and move forward in life, can be taken
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from you like this, man. 24 hours, every 24 hours it's pain. it's nothing but pain. it hurts to breathe. it hurts to sleep. it hurts to move from side to side. it hurts to eat. >> the video posted to twitter by jacob's lawyer benjamin crump. blake became one of the latest catalysts for racial justice when she was shot in the back by a white kenosha police department. they were called for a domestic dispute. the lawyer says he was de-escalating an argument at the time. there's flashpoints for protests in a summer marked by social reckoning. in rochester, a grand jury can consider the death of daniel prude. in march prude died a week after being apprehended by police and an autopsy report says prude's
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death caused by complications of asphyxia in the setting of physical restraint and excited delirium and acute pcp intoxication. new york's attorney general james announced the grand jury yesterday saying in a statement the prude family and the rochester community have been through great pain and anguish. my office will impanel a grand jury as part of the investigation into the matter. joining me now, nbc news correspondent cathy park. good morning to you. what is the latest? >> reporter: good morning to you. i can tell you there are a lot of conversations about a possible cover-up here and the police chief came out earlier this week saying that there was no such thing and quickly launched an internal and criminal invest. the mayor, though, said she didn't know the full extent until august 4th seeing the footage so a lot of people here
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are frustrated because they're saying that the timeline just doesn't add up. the footage of march 23rd and just want more transparency and accountability. there are headlines that came out over the last several days and following the unrest as a result of the release of that body cam footage. we talked to a lot of protesters on the ground. here's what they're telling us. >> for me it is just being unified no matter who you are, what you are, what you have done. >> i hear excuses being made from the police department, from the mayor, from everybody. i want accountability. >> black lives more than matter. they're essential. black lives are essential and that this really needs to stop. we need to be able to call the police for help and for help to come to us and not be afraid that a loved one may lose their life. >> reporter: and overnight we
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saw another round of tense clashes between protesters and police. we have learned according to police there were nine arrests and three officers who were injured and demonstrators say they'll continue to be out here until all of the officers involved are fired and prosecuted and just to bring you up to speed, so far as of now seven officers have been suspended with pay. also, these demonstrators are asking for the police chief and mayor to step down. >> the mayor against she says the counsel of her counsel did decide to suspend the officers and the attorney general of new york impanelled a grand jury. i don't know if you've talked to anybody since that news but do you think any of this will lead to some satisfaction to the people who are protesting? >> reporter: no. shortly after that news broke yesterday i posed that question to a lot of folks here and they
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say that, no, it isn't enough. they want more accountability. they say essentially they want these officers to be prosecuted and upset with how they handled the situation. the city leaders. they're not satisfied that it took this long to release the footage and do something about this. >> ait isit is a long time. thank you. donald trump's belief that he is the law and order president is laughable. he's on the wrong side of the law too many times to count and thrives on disorder. how trump is actually running on race and culture wars. and etfs for any amount you choose instead of buying by the share. all with no commissions. stocks by the slice from fidelity. get your slice today. stocks by the slice from fidelity. ♪water?
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and say things where you all don't just write he's a fraud? and i think it's all designed to create so much chaos that no matter what the outcome of the election is that it's thrown up in the air. we all know go, well, there's another ridiculous, illegal, inappropriate thing he said but he says so many of them it doesn't matter. it's just -- it just undermines the legitimacy of our democratic process. and it's dangerous. >> joe biden reacting to president trump's calls for his supporters to commit a felony and vote for him twice. the trump time in office is filled with hypocrisy and contradictions and clearly his campaign is as well because while encouraging the fans to commit a crime he is staking his re-election bid on a so-called law and order platform, steeped in race and culture wars. that itself is a contradiction.
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trump's relationship to the law is one of convenience, the last four years his adult life really demonstrate that. trump creates as much disorder as possible ab then trick people into thinking he alone can solve the problem he created or worsened. the president's idea of order is oppression. he doesn't have a record to run on, at least not one that isn't steeped in racism and discontent and why his campaign is centered on race and culture wars, the flames of which he continues to fan. take, for example, the recent visit to kenosha, wisconsin, seeing days of protests after the police-involved shooting of jacob blake. trump took the trip after local leaders expressly asked him not to do so arguing that his presence could enflame an already volatile situation but he went any way on a trip that
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looked like a propaganda campaign including a photo-op in front of a destroyed business where it looked like the owner had decided to join trump except the man in the photo is the former owner of the store whom the white house recruited after the current owner of the store said he wanted to do with donald trump. -- nothing to do with donald trump. this whole idea of policing sets aside the american system of justice and accepts not only are law enforcement officers responsible for policing but judge, jury and executioner. is there an antidote to this or has too much damage been done? joining me, britney paxton cunningham and a msnbc contributor and a former fellow at harvard institute of politics and with me roland martin.
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he is the author of "the first president barack obama's road to the white house." >> glad to be here. >> yesterday, brittny, i read a tweet. you had a remarkable thread on twitter and it says the problem is that we have concreted that the idea that the police should be killing anyone, they shouldn't. guilty or not. in a system in which due process is supposed to be the foundation the police are not judge, jury or executioner. so this idea that whenever we talk about a victim of police violence it's whether or not they had a felony charge or in the commission of a crime or intoxicated or in breonna taylor's case, whether or not she was part of a gang or something like that, not true, but the point is, justification for police violence. >> that's absolutely the point. we see a retroactive justification for behaviors that
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the police are involved in and often americans will simply say when the police have shot someone there must have been a reason. the problem at its root is that we have concreted that level of power over to the police. there are multiple developed nations all across the world who kill fewer than a dozen people by police hands every single year, some as few as zero and it is completely possible to live in a world and country where the police don't kill people. reimagining public safety, die vesting from institutions that kill in america over 1,000 people a year and putting that money in communities so we all experience communities where none are fearful for our lives and healthy from the ground up instead of police from the top down. that should be the american way and the people who derive their
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power from us should be beholden to keeping us safe and alive at the very basic level. >> i'm reminded of conversations we had six years ago after the killing of michael brown in ferguson, missouri. within of t one of the points you made is while the fight for justice continues, the democratic fight is what is in front of us right now. the idea that people have got to vote and speak with their ballot, the one thing that people have across this country and african-americans do have despite efforts to suppress their vote, i assume you have the same view of this right now, if you believe what britney just said then you have to make sure you're registered and figure out how you vote in this election. >> here's the issue here. if you're the local level, do you have a city manager or a strong mayor government? who hires the police chief?
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who negotiates the contracts with these various police unions? also the immunity laws on the state level, state policymakers. same thing on the federal level. the george floyd act did not pass. the issue that you have is that politics plays a central in this but also talk about consent decrees, keep in mind politics plays a role in there. who wins? trump over hillary clinton. what's the first thing attorney general sessions does? he says get rid of the police consent decree in baltimore. the judge and mayor says, no, kee keep it in. they try to pull out in chicago same thing. the attorney general fought it and stayed an enso you have had donald trump, jeff sessions, bill barr who said this is going to hurt the morale of police with the police consent decrees. politics plays a role in the
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people who are put in charge of that and so when people say i want justice, they have to see it. you have to then deliver. you have a black mayor of rochester people say you haven't done enough and even when you have black mayors you still have the power of police who control the process. and that is the issue that we must face in this country. >> i think that's important because people get excited by presidential elections but not at state levels or interim elections but the presidential election, there's a tweet of a chance of biden electoral college win. if he wins it by 6%, 0 to 1 points, a 6% of a college win. if biden wins the electoral --
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popular vote by 1 to 2 points it is just 22%. so the point here is that joe biden winning this election is still in doubt. >> it absolutely is. unfortunately. i think roland makes a critical point. there are nearly 18,000 police departments in this entire country. it will take action at the local, state and federal level to move this but on the issue of the federal level, when we are talking about abolishing things at the top of the list should be the electoral college. we have continued to watch this administration and this campaign use the structures and systems which let's be clear built on foundations of racism when you look at the electoral college and using the systems to their advantage and exploiting them to either win in 2016 or right now in 2020 to maintain their power. that is why we see this law and order framing and we should be
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rejecting out of hand because the evidence doesn't bear it out. 93% of racial justice protests over the last 3 months have been without incident, that "the washington post" cited several studies on this. the 7% left, that includes violence perpetuated by the police which let's remember why the protests began in the first place. we continue to see reporting of the turnout levels in 2016 laying blame on black communities and indigenous communities and communities of color without naming the widespread voter suppression that the gop engaged in then and still is now. wisconsin is unfortunately a great example of this. trump won wisconsin by 23,000 votes. 45,000 voters were deterred by a voter i.d. law shown over time to be racist in nature. we continued to see black men in particular be targets of
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propaganda and be used as tokens by the rnc, by the gop, by donald trump as he continues to say that he's been the best president for black people since lincoln. this is a set-up. we have to make sure that we don't fall for it and those of us in the media have to be having a conversation that presents true facts and full context so that people can make educated decisions. >> i have to say this. white america has to own this. 68% to 69% of all the votes cast in this election will be by white voters. donald trump is specifically trying to appeal to white voters, especially targeting white suburban women and white men. we can talk about black turnout, latino turnout, asian turnout but white voters have to confront the issue of race, they have to reject the racist
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appeals of donald trump and they must be willing to acknowledge what we're seeing, the level of racism in police department with a fbi report in 2015 saying infiltrated by a white supremacist and militia groups and the arkansas sheriff just the other day, south carolina cop, in louisiana. we have seen racist memes from police departments that led to 50 investigations and revealed by the group reveal. the tonight is here. white america, we have to be explicit in saying it, white america must say enough is enough. we are going to reject the racist appeals and we're not going to vote along the lines of race. that's also identity politic that is we never like to discuss. >> you're right. >> amen. >> i love the fact that the two of you come armed with lots of facts and details. you can vote. there are lots of opportunities to figure it out but msnbc with a version of plan your vote.
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put in the state and how you get a ballot and cast it. do not let disinformation and nonsense stop you from voting. thanks to you both. brittany and roland. how do we mend these united states of america? my friend cal perry is hoping to find that answer. he joins me in a few minutes to share what he has heard from you on the road. you're watching "velshi." i wanted to help protect myself. my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent another dvt or pe blood clot. almost 98 percent of patients on eliquis didn't experience another. -and eliquis has significantly less major bleeding than the standard treatment. eliquis is fda-approved and has both.
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2020's been a pivotal year to say the least. our country has seen one of the worst pandemics in a century and a groundswell movement against racism and police brutality. the united states is changing and with it so are americans. each and every person in this nation felt the impact of the pandemic that has gripped our health system and economy and has forced us to come to terms with self isolation, we are facing a collective grief as nearly 190,000 americans have died because of this virus. we found our divisions might be wider than we ever before thought but as divided as we have been through the difficulties we can emerge better. typically we do. nbc's cal perry joins me now.
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he traveled 7,000 miles this sumner an rv to find out if and how we can reunite the divided united states. tonight hosts a special report kaulted "road to recovery: america at a crossroads" at 6:30 p.m. must have been hard to take all the stuff that you learned and discussed and covered and make it into an hour but what stands out for you? >> reporter: you know, look. i try to view this in three categories. you have the pandemic of which americans are divided on. some people don't want to wear a mask. we have the racial reckoning across the country which i think is rewriting the american identity, people trying to face the past and americans are split on that. and then the third thing i want to focus on, we need to talk about, is this erosion in faith and democracy. it is a lot of what your next hour is on. we see this playing out closer to the election. the president of the united
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states is tapping into a lot of authoritarian type tactics as we approach the election. you look at unmarked security officers in portland. we had that week we didn't know who they were responsible for, who they were responsible to. those are secret police. we have had this discussion. look at the arrests, nick tillson protesting at mt. rushmore and arrested. he is now facing three felony charges up to 17 years in prison, he is a political prisoner in many ways. this is important because it sheds light on how and why america is so divided at this moment. >> cal, a thing we have talked about because you have spent so much time reporting in other parts of the world is the degree to which if you were a foreign reporter reporting on what was going on in america our language everyone is different.
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the regime quashes free speech and journalism. >> reporter: and one that threatens journalists and makes opposition leaders whether it's kamala harris or joe biden makes them out to be criminals. again, all of this is an attempt to erode the democracy. strong men play defense on the entire principle, on the whole process and you see donald trump doing this in what he said in north carolina where he urged people who mail-in voted to go to the polls. hakd really, really mess things up in north carolina and it could really take away people's faith in the process and whether you're a trump supporter or support candidate biden, the faith if democracy of america is important. if we lose that, if we lose our faith in the process we become like so many countries around the world that have elections that don't matter and leaders that stay in power and core to this 30 minutes tonight.
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>> we are looking forward to it. cal perry, foreign correspondent, "road to recovery: america at a crossroads" tonight at 6:30 p.m. eastern. should be an hour long. good do see you, my friend. thank you for the work you do and continue the great coverage. breaking news overnight out of fresno, california. 63 people were rescued from the grips of a fast-moving wildfire. they used black hawk helicopters to save victims from the mammoth pool reservoir as the creek fire closed in on them. officials say two people are severely injured. tone moderately injured and being treated following the irn credible rescue. more "velshi" right after this break.
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our time. and as we enter the home stretch, waves the disinformation of various kinds are washing over us, meant to confuse and distract you. the team here at "velshi" has something special for you, coming up in the next hour, we are going to crack open the disinformation epidemic that threatens our election and our democracy. we'll examine how weaponized disinformation spreads and how you are subject to it even if you're not on social media. we will arm you with the information you need to fight back against it. we've got some remarkable guests lined up including rebecca schroeder, a progressive voice from idaho who became the target, online and in person, of local militias after she publicly expressed support for black lives matter. and we'll hear from shannon foley martinez, an ex-neo-nazi and a current professor at yale whose new mission is to
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social media companies that profit from conspiracy theories. a president who peddles them actively. and a congress who seems powerless to protect its citizens from them. weaponized lies that affect us all in this disinformation epidemic. a special "velshi" starts now. donald trump has been the president of the united states for more than 1,300 days and one thing has come to define his time in office: disinformation. by definition, disinformation is false information deliberately and often covertly spread as by the planting of rumors in order to influence public opinion and obscure the truth. and "deliberately" is the keyword here, because it started on president trump's first day in office when he lied to the american people about his inauguration crowd size for his own gain. this stuff is steeped in c
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conspiracy theories, which used to be stuff you could ignore. but now disinformation and conspiracy has jumped from the digital world into reality and you ignore disinformation at your own peril. on this special hour of "velshi," we'll trace donald trump's embrace of disinformation and the tools that he and others use to spread it, while exploring the effect it's having right now on americans, on our democracy, and on the upcoming election and beyond. and we should warn you, over the next hour, you're going to hear and see plenty of things that are not real, that have been invented out of thin air. stuff that will most likely have you wondering how anyone could possibly believe it. but it is important because people are vulnerable. some are gullible and plenty of people believe this nonsense. disinformation has infiltrated our government. that is part of our everyday lives. joining me for the hour are my colleagues, nbc news reporter
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