night of protests in the city. following the death of daniel prude in police custody. grand jury will now hear the case. and any minute we are expecting to hear from the mayor and police chief. we'll have that for you live. also this hour, president trump under fire from multiple sides this weekend. a new book that could be titled michael cohen's revenge former fix erie veiling new information about how the president feels about russia, race, and more. this as the president and his supporters continue to try and dis miss claims that he called military heroes suckers and losers. we'll have more on that. plus kamala harris and joe biden both hitting the campaign trail on labor day and robert gibbs joins us to talk about the state of the race coming up. let's begin right now in new york where we are awaiting a press conference from the mayor and police chief follows fourth straight night of protests.

in rochester and also mark claks ton director of the black law enforcement appliance. kathy, we'll start with you, what are you hearing there as we a wait this news conference? >> reporter: well, lindsey this pros conference was kind of a surprise to us. we found out about it not too long ago. so we are at city hall and you'll probably notice the local media as well as networks just waiting standing by to possibly hear some remarks from the mayor as well as police chief. and you mentioned there have been several nights of unrest here in rochester so it's likely they will ask for calm. overnight nine arrests and three officers injured. and probably seen some of the images from past several nights where fireworks being thrown at officers. and then water bottles as well as rocks. and officer say they are responding by deploying tear gas as well as pepper spray so

contentious. and officials hope to make sure that these protesters don't become violent. but, lindsey, the investigation is still ongoing. attorney general's office, as you mentioned, has asked the grand jury to also investigate the case. so there are a lot of different factors in this. but here demonstrators we have the opportunity to talk to several of them over the last several days and they were saying they want more accountability. they are frustrated that they found out about the footage just this week when it was captured on march 23. and they are saying that the time line does not add up. the mayor had a press conference earlier in the week saying that slee didn't find out about this incident until august. she didn't find out. the police chief we heard from him and he said there was a criminal and internal investigation. once he found out about this. so the lot of different players have different things to say. and i think that's what's cause ago lot of the frustration and tension here in rochester.

but we are once again standing by for any updates on officials. no real world what they'll be saying but once we have it we'll wri bring it to you live. >> what are you hearing from the family this week? they have spoken to the media. what can you tell us? >>. >> reporter: i had a chance to talk directly to joe prude. ac and he's a rochester resident. he said daniel who passed away lives in chicago and visited him often. and he's outraged by how this was all handled. and when he saw the footage, he was just so disappointed with the way that officers handled the situation. he said he called in saying that his brother was having some sort of mental health crisis ch. rather than de-escalate the officers made it worse. so he's asking officers be prosecuted and he supports the

protesters being out here as long as they are peaceful. >> kathy, thank you. mark, let's go to you. whae what's your reaction to the news that the attorney general will set up a grand jury in this? >> well, it's late, but it's an appropriate move and really i think the frustration that's been expressed by both the family and the protesters and demonstrators is based on how much time has passed since the initial incident. and it's frustrating anyone because there seems to be no movement. there was no movement except for the video itself. so additional investigation is always appropriate. but again we have to begin to question how long the investigation takes place before government holds itself responsible and does the right thing. and that may include arresting

those individuals involved in the death of him. >> i think that's such an important point chlt because as we extrapolate this to the national reckoning our country is going through, as kathy reported, this happened in march. we are only now talking about it this week because their attorney were able to get that video through freedom of information request. and to your point, so many months have passed yet this government agency hasn't held itself accountable yet. how many countless incidents are there throughout the nation where there is no video? >> well, i can tell you that there are several additional incidents similar to this in incident. several will be coming out in the weeks and months. that's because there is a continued pattern of this type of behavior by police officers, by criminal justice law enforcement systems throughout the years. and that's the frustration that the community is expressing.

that's the frustration that the family feels. that's what across the nation demonstrators are expressing. that there has to be significant reform that forces law enforcement, the criminal justice system to protect and preserve human life. and to treat all life with humanitarian and dignity. >> and unfortunately -- >> what does that reform look like? we talked about the tragic case of george floyd on memorial day. the case of breonna taylor, the case of daniel prude, the case of jacob blake in kenosha. what needs to happen? >> i think the justice and policing act is a good first step. and i think what is significant in the justice and policing act is that there is an increase of accountability for those individuals who operate outside of the rules and regulations and even the law. i think it's just unfortunate. and it's a deadly combination we

have police officers who are -- who have a certain level of immunity. so if you add that in with a toxic police culture, it's a recipe for disaster. so i think the model that's in the justice and policing act is a significant first step. but i think overall, the community, the nation is demanding that there be equitable enforcement of law. regardless of race. regardless of color, because people have to find a way to be restored, their faith in policing and in law enforcement has to be restored. and that can be restored when you deal equitably with people and they recognize that you have an open hand and transparency. there is honesty and integrity and a level of professionalism that we expect and demand from police that there they're delivers. >> kathy park in rochester awaiting that news conference. both of you are going to stay with us as we keep an eye on that podium in rochester and go

to the news conference when it begins. now we're going on to other news. two days, another book about president trump's secret dealings is due to be released. and "the washington post" got a look at the book, "disloyal common comm comm comm: the memoir." he says that trump loves money and he wrongly identified putin as the richest man in the world by a multiple. he adds the russian leader had the ability to take over an entire nation and run it like it was his personal company, like the trump organization, in fact. white house press be secretary released a statement refuting cohen's claims saying, "michael cohen is a zrased fell on and disbarred lawyer who lied to congress. he has lost all credibility and it's unsurprising to see his latest attempt to profit off lies." kelly o'donnell joins us from the white house. kelly, there are some issues

about cohen being a reliable narrator here. but there are reports he addresses that in the book? >> yes, this is one thing where he is trying to convince the leader that his long experience with donald trump has some value for them as they're process everything we know publicly about donald trump. and there are so many books about the president and this period of political life. but michael cohen does have one of the unique positions of having been in the room for so many of the important events of the donald trump businessman and candidate period. he didn't ever cross into the administration side and it was long believed there was some tension over that because he had had been such a confidante and right-hand man for donald trump before he became president. part of what the white house will do is use the legal trouble that michael cohen has been in which some argue is because of his relationship with donald trump to distance themselves

from him and from this book. and in addition, we've seen that from the president directly. unlike some of the other people who have been in the president's orbit that have been in legal trouble and convicted and serving prison sentences, there's never really been any discussion of a pardon for michael cohen. whereas we've seen that for roger stone. we've seen discussion of it and support for michael flynn, the former national security adviser. so cohen has been treated differently for a period of years now. what will be interesting for readers is to see how much of what his stories can tell match up with other things that are being written about contemporaneously in terms of leadership style of the of the trump organization and the head of the federal government and running for re-election from the point when voters get their say. lindsey? >> to your point, he turned on the president. so there is really no word of a pardon. they remain loyal the entire time. kelly o'donnell, thank you.

and as the 2020 presidential race moves into the homestretch, the biden campaign is set to ramp up travel and in person appearances as the trump campaign hoenz in campaign hones in on a new strategy. harris is the focus of a new strategy by president trum top p trump to portray here as an extreme liberal. we're in washington, d.c. our reporter joins me now. can you explain the new strategy from the trump campaign and also how the biden-harris ticket are poised to respond? >> "politico" is reporting that they're trying to frame senator kamala harris and use the words that she champions during the primary. her views were a little bit more leftist than joe biden.

you remember just hours after biden tapped her to serve as his vice-presidential pick, he called her mean and nasty. instead of responding, she said i'm not going to get distracted and tried to find a way to turn the attacks back on the president and on his administration. she tried to do that when talking about the trump's administration's criminal justice system. take a listen. >> i think that donald trump and bill barr are spending full time in different reality. the reality of america today is what we have seen over generations and, frankly, since

our inception. we have two justice systems in america. >> the biden campaign has been saying for a long time that trump campaign's attacks against biden calling him this radical leftist socialist doesn't work. voters know about his record caring for the working class. that cannot necessarily be said the same of kamala harris who in some ways is still new to the political grounds. and that is exact why the campaign is putting her out there in virtual events and also as you mentioned in milwaukee stressing her story and what she cares about. >> according to "the new york times," there is private polling for both parties during and after the conventions. there is support from could conservative leaning voters. do you know how the biden

campaign is reacting to the tightening numbers and will will he try and refocus the attention to the coronavirus response? >> yes, that's exactly what they're doing. we got a hint of this during a briefing with biden campaign officials. they did discuss the fact that they're leading in the polls. they are starting to shrink in some margins. they specifically, including the campaign manager pointed out that the -- what they're trying to combat is losing an erosion of voters, specifically like the ones you mentioned. suburban, obama-trump voters. they're hoping they turn out for biden and not lose them to trump or the fact they may not want to vote at all at this election. the way they'll be doing that is as o'malley dylan said, front loading. putting money earlier on in the

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welcome back, everybody. we're following breaking news in rochester. let's break into a live press conference. >> we have seen righteous hanger and heart felt protests from many residents of our community. another vast majority of the naem have taken to our streets do so with pure hearts, good intentions to ensure tragedies like the death of mr. prude never happen again. their message that we must do better and that we have to address how we police our city has been heard. the calls are not new and the chief and i worked diligently to do the necessary work. it is my duty as a mayor of the city to honor mr. prude, to not let his death be in vain and to do everything possible to transform how we police our city

to protect and serve our residents. that is why today as a child raised on jefferson avenue and educated at wilson magnet high school and as a marriage who raises my daughter in our city, i am recommitting myself to doing that work. we have already begun. we are doubling the ability of mental health professionals. we'll take our family crisis intervention team out of the police department and move it and its funding to the department of youth and recreation services where our pathways to peace program already resides. to better and humanely serve our residents. we will fully engage with the race commission and our real rapid response team to further improve our response to mental health crisis and reenvision our police department.

>> however, this work won't be done in a week or in a weekend. today and to do this right, we'll have to continue to deliver consistent progress over the coming weeks, months, and years. but i am committed to addressing these challenges and ensuring that change truly comes. but we need to also address the immediate issues in front of us. i'm glad the attorney general informed us yesterday she'll em panel a grand jury to complete the investigation of mr. prude's death and i have to also address the response to the protests by our police department. i spoke with the chief and we have discussed at length how our police department has responded to the protesters. for the deployment of pepper balls, tear gas, fireworks and

agitators have escalated these situations. that is the reason why i'm asking you, the citizens of rochester, to help us. in the city of rochester, we take care of our own. i'm proud to stand here with revere revererev myra brown. today we met and worked and came up with a plan that will allow our protesters to exercise the first amendment right to assemble free from distress who while our officers protect the public safety building. pastor brown and i are calling on the elders of this city and our community to meet at her church located at 121 north fixue street at 6:30 p.m. today. rts agreed to bus in our elders.

they'll stand as the buffer between our protesters and our police department. i appreciate her and others for their willingness to step up and help us through these trying times. no one of us can do anything alone. it takes people reaching across, working together to ensure that we have a brighter future. it will hear from reverend brown in a moment. we also need this community to understand the importance of the public safety building, not only does our police department reside within the psb, but our fire department's leadership and the nucleus of our cities operations reside in that building. our ability to serve the

residents of our city on a daily basis depends on the service that's are held within that building. we have to protect it. there is credible information that outside agitators want to destroy the psb. that said, what truly matters is creating a city that is dedicated to serving, protecting and lifting up the least among us. what will always pain me about the death of mr. daniel prude is our failure to do that. we had a human being in need of help and compassion in that moment we had had an opportunity to protect him, to keep him warm, to bring him to safety, to begin the process of healing him and lifting him up. we have to own the fact that in that moment we did not do that.

we will not have the opportunity to save mr. prude. kint bring him back. none of us can. but what i do have the opportunity to ensure is that his memory creates ever lasting change. to ensure that he did not die in vain that, the next man or woman that needs our help gets the very best that this community has to offer. so let me say this to this community. i wholeheartedly believe that the chief is the right person to lead us through these difficult times. he was born and raised in this city. educated in this city. worked his way up to lead the

department. i do note believe there is a person more dedicated than him. i know that he and i are committed to being better, working harder to restore the trust and faith of our community. please welcome our police chief. >> first and foremost, i extend my condolences to the prude family. of we want to make sure that mr. prude's death changes how we do our policing this city. moving forward, we're dedicated to taking the necessary actions to prevent this from ever happening again. i understand there are certain calls that law enforcement shouldn't handle alone. we're looking at ways to reimagine policing surrounding mental health and have been for the last several months. and as the mayor stated, we have already started working with city council to remove the family crisis intervention team

from the rpd and all the resources and we're prepared to do more. our pd is working with the county's forensic intervention team out of the office of mental health to effectively assist residents with mental health needs. who have repeated contact with law enforcement. with the goal to connect said individuals to outpatient services and to decrease the use of emergency and crisis responses. and police reform is actively moving forward with race commission charged with developing policies and procedures and legislation that will address racial inequities. as well as the things that we've instituted and the body cameras and the community affairs bureau that i did in 2018. and as i share the mayor's sentiment, there is more work to be done. i'm dedicated to doing what i was charged to do which is to serve our citizens so that together we can collectively create change in our community

and tonight i'm dedicated to working with community leaders such as reverend brown who i've been accustom to know throughout this community and our city elders to ensure that tonight we protect the people's first amendment rights to protest peacefully. thank you. now i welcome reverend brown. >> hi. i'm reverend brown. last night protesters were trapped in front of my church and we took them in the church was smaterred with -- >> everybody, we're listening to a live update here from rochester where right now listening to reverend that has a church in the public safety building. we heard from the police chief and we heard from the mayor there. she committed to reenvision the police department there and also said they're going to make some

changes. they want to add more to their mental health crisis team. they want to divert funds to youth services and asking elders of the community tonight to become a buffer between protesters and police officers at that public safety building to make sure everybody stays safe and tensions are not escalated. i want to bring in guests that i have right now. i want to bring in our guests. mark, i want to begin with you and hear your reaction to some of the changes that we're hearing from the mayor. are these unique right now in today's time? >> i think the mayor's statements as well as chief singletary's statement and willingness by rochester to really buy into much of what this s. considered to be reform in the nation right now. we talk about reinvesting, redistributing or re-allocating

resources to different areas that police have normally under, you know, the old rule have grown accustom to enforcing such as individuals and psychological disability or mental illness and redistributing that. it's all consistent with what is in the justice and policing act. i think it is also significant that both the mayor and the police commissioner acknowledge the lapses that occurred there. i wish, however, that the mayor was assertive in in -- [ inaudible ] >> looks like we might have lost mark. we'll try to get him back. brittany, i want to pick up with what he was saying. we had had an opportunity to protect daniel prude, keep him warm and lift him up. in that moment, we didn't do

that. i can't bring him back. but i can promise ever lasting change. but she also in the same vain, threw support behind the police chief. she doesn't find out about it until august. the police chief says that his department was investigating. >> according to activists and community members on the ground, there is great deal more that needs to happen. when we talk about investing in communities and in the social service nasdaq we ne services we need, this is what daniel prude was trying to see happen. he did everything that we were told to do in a moment of crisis. he called 911. math if a social worker picked up that phone. that's what needs to happen when we invest in communities and social services because 30 to 50% of the people killed by

police every year across the country have a physical or mental disability. this is critically important. however, what is also true is that only so much change occurs if simultaneously we are not also shrinking the amount of encounters that people have with police. yes, it's fwobetter to have expansive social services. if you're not seeing the power and engagement of that police department shrinking alongside it, you're only going to ever see so much change. that's what the research is telling us. and frankly, if we look at the behavior of the rochester police department for the last few nights of largely peaceful protests without incident, the fact that they were tear gassing peaceful protesters and launching pepper balls on peaceful protesters as was dune done in ferguson, that doesn't lead me to believe that

investments alone in social services are going to make the difference here. if you look at the word of organizers on the ground in rochester the last few nights, they have already used the strategy of asking elder who's let's be clear are at greater risk of krone coronavirus to be buffer and it doesn't seem to make dafrns. across the difference, age is not a barrier for police violence unfortunately. i think the real thing that needs to happen is that the mayor needs to be very clear with the police chief this kind of response and these kinds of encounters are completely unacceptable. important points there. paul butler. of we know the attorney general of new york has announced she is going to set up a grand jury panel to look at any potential charge it's there should be any in the death of daniel prude. what's your take on that from what you've seen? >> the mayor claimed that rochester takes care of its own, that claim ring hollow.

the rochester police did not take care of daniel prude. according to the medical examiner, the police killed mr. prude. the official cause of death was homicide by asphyxiation. they did that not only by using that medieval spin hood him but restraining him like the cops did george floyd by the head, the leg and the back. incredibly, the official police version was that mr. prude died of a drug overdose. the police chief told that lie to the mayor. the police were informed about transparency and accountability. the rochester police department has been the opposite of that. i was xpektiexpecting the policf to resign. lindsey, reform here was ash

politicked by black lives matter taking it to the street now. they're going to be mental health services first responders who know how to treat people who are in medical crisis. that's an important first step. now there is an investigation by the attorney general's office if there is criminal culpability as i think there is, then these officers must be brought to justice. >> paul butler, brittany, mark, thank you all so much for joining us today. stay tuned. more news after the break. today stay tuned more news after the break. looks like they picked the wrong getaway driver.

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concern, lindsey. back on the fourth of july holiday, the beaches were open here. we had had thousands apeople arrive in miami as one of the top destinations nationwide. then three weeks after that and miami-dade county, the state of florida, rather, saw a 78% increase in new cases of coronavir coronavirus. they're trying to keep that from happening by being more stringent with the rules. if you're not wearing a mask, you're going to get a $50 fine on miami beach and some places in florida, that could be as high as $100 for not following the mask policy. people are told to socially distance. and the pulsing night life in miami beach shuts down at 10:00. it has been put in place for several weeks. famed ocean drive shuts down at 8:00. that entertainment district. all these measures are those that keep the numbers in check. the positivity rate running

around 7% right now. broward county to the north where ft. lauderdale is located, that's at 5%. and we had had a chance to chat with beach goers themselves about how this new labor day weekend feels in light of the new measures. take a listen. >> are you used to the new rules by now? >> sure. i'm a retired teacher. so i am very used to the rules. living my best life, going to the beach. you know, doing whatever i need to do. wear my mass whk needed. >> i think it's become annoying, definitely. the you see everyone coming on their mask. no one is explaining. you sit down and you're with your people. everybody is really adapting. >> and the website tripit listed florida as the number one destination for at least air travelers this holiday weekend. you heard from the folks on the beach. they're making the most of the situation that's been presented to them. yes, its going to be different. yes the beach is not as crowded.

it will be different vub than they're used to. that is the attitude we experienced for everyone we talked to. the they at least want to have a chance to get out and enjoy the sunshine, try to have that last gasp of summer for one more trip before getting back to real life. and at least right now it appears that everything is going off without a hitch. >> hopefully the measures will be effective. thank you. and now to a story engulfing the white house. >> this is what of is important is that the president sat there in front of that cemetery and dishonored that sacred ground by engaging in rhetoric against some of us on the trip including me. >> have you ever heard the president disparage u.s. service members or veterans? >> well, absolutely not. i would be offended too if i thought it was true. >> the political world continues to react to reports that president trump used disparaging terms to describe u.s. service

members. on the morning of a scheduled visit near paris in 2018, the atlantic reports that trump said, why should i go to that semiconduct cemetery. it's filled with luzerosers. he referred to the 1800 marines that lost their lives suckers for getting killed. let's bring in congresswoman and navy veteran from virginia. she's also on the veterans affairs committee. representative, you served two decades in the navy on six different ships. you also deployed to the middle east and the western pacific. finally, you capped your career commanding a kbad rea commanding combat ready unit of 400 sailors. what is your reaction to the reported comments? >> my reaction is shock. but not really surprised. based off of what we have seen from how this president just tears down so many people who have worked so hard and given so much of their life to serve this

country. i say that for the last 100 years, the u.s. has been a beacon of democracy around this world and our soldier, our sailors, airmen, marines have died to protect this country and true patriots and they fought against fascism and against communism and injustice. and you just undermine everything that these men and women have fought for. >> publicly the president says he's done more for the military than anyone else. do you think this sheds light on how he feels privately? >> i certainly do. i fully believe and support that we have to do pay raises. we have to support the military budget. we have to provide for readiness. i work diligently for that every day. but the truth is that you can't hide behind those things because we know from time and time again

that he insultedure militar our. >> democrats are seizing on this now and becoming quite a conversation on the campaign trail. biden put out a twitter ad saying if you don't respect our troops, you can't lead them. and then the progressive pact put out this ad. let's listen. >> i didn't serve. i haven't served. i had a foot thing and i had to deferment for that: >> you think i'm stupid? i'm not going to vietnam. >> let's take john mccain. he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that are not captured. >> when senator john mccain died, he said we're not going to support that loser's funeral. >> we keep people accountable for the way they treat our veterans. if they don't treat them well, we say sorry, you're fired. get out. >> so you have this reporting and then you also have the president sending them out to denight. do you have any idea of what where you think voters are lying now on who they believe?

>> this district i represent, our district is coastal virginia. you have eight major military bases. the largest naval base in the world and one out of every fooi five peop five people in the district are ma in the military. i heard from the general officers here that president trump is truly a cancer onnure country. he is seeking to destroy our country and our country's representation in the world. and, you know, you may have seen there was a military times poll and it shows clearly that military of all services and all rank have clearly seen that president does not stand with them and that they do not plan to vote for him or relekt him to be the commander in chief. >> yeah. and that whole for the military times, biden is leading by three points. what does that tell you in how veterans view the last four years and active service members? >> i think that people are just

appalled by the lack of respect which is just confirmed by the reports. and, you know, this has been confirmed by every major news outlet clubbing clug fincluding your news outlet and they're true and verifiable and the president said these things and he continues to say these things. he continued in denying them no then demean general kelly who had been his chief of staff. and just break him down and try to destroy his reputation. so this really should never come as a surprise based on what we've seen for years. i think this reached a new low. i have personally seen that those have been in the military are losing support for him daevy day. >> thank you for your service. still ahead, a new book from michael cohen reveals a presidential fixation with barack obama. coming up, president obama's former white house press secretary joins us on that as well as the state of the 2020

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welcome back. will several recreational boats sunk yesterday touring a pro trump rally in texas. multiple boats in distress and some folks had had to be rescued from lake travis. hundreds of vessels took part in the boat parade. authorities believe that the close proximity of the boats created exceptionally choppy seas which led to some boats going down. despite the boats sinking, no injuries were reported. the 2020 presidential race is heating up and president trump's own former lawyer and fixer is adding fuel to the fire. with less than two months to go until election day. michael cohen out with a new book this week called "disloyal a memoir" in which he details interactions with the president and one in particular is about the president's hatred and

contempt of barack obama. according to the "washington post," cohen describes trump's obsessive hatred of obama and the only reason he got into colombia university and harvard law school is because of bleeping re reputable coming from choen. >> there's been some challenges with michael cohen in the past. it's just the continual dhurn that we see around the people that are closest to donald trump. whether it's niece or sister, not glowing references going into the campaign for the president of the united states. i don't think it would be surprising for barack obama to know that donald trump doesn't

like him. donald trump spent enough time with barack obama to know that he belonged and deserved to be at harvard law school, that's for sure. >> it probably doesn't keep him up ha the current president doesn't like him. i want to talk about bigger picture of the race and where you see it. a lot of people are saying maybe the democrats can get texas. there's a new poll from the dallas morning news and it shows up that trump is up. biden still doing better nationally. what do you see happening in the next couple of months as we look ahead? >> i think the race over the last three weeks from the kind of beginning of the democratic convention until now, the race has been remarkably stable, if you think we have gone through the democratic national convention, the republican national convention. unrest as you were showing earlier in rochester and

kenosha. the race has been remarkably stable. if you look at the state polls, which is how we'll pick the president of the the united states, last week we saw seven polls in five states. donald trump won all of those states in 2016. he leads in none of those states. his average poll number is 44%. joe biden is out polling hillary clinton in every one of those states. donald trump trails his 2016 result in every one of those states. i think this race is still going to be a very close race. we live in a very equally divided country. i think right now you're happy to be joe biden in this race and if you're donald trump, you've got to figure out how to change the dynamic of this race. preferably for him he would like to do it before we go to debates in three weeks.

>> would ke scould we see a rep6 where hillary was polling up. the silent majority, people who don't say they support the current president right now but they are more like to vote for him. do you think we could see a repeat of that? >> if you talk to any democrat and you talk to them about any poll, they say yes about 2016. that will animate the actions of democrats going forward. i think there's a lot of twists and turns. the debates will probably be bigger than normal. we haven't had as much day the day campaigning. that's about three weeks from now. there's a lot of campaign left. right now joe biden is leading. i wouldn't see comfortably but i think he's got -- he's had a good stretch. he's maintained that lead. i think if you're donald trump, you haven't figured out yet how to change the dynamic in this race. you haven't figured out what's

the best frame against joe biden. you spent three weeks talking about crime and purported chaos and very few polls show he's the answer to the question of that in this country. >> maybe encouraging voters to try and vote twice isn't the best strategy either. you've mentioned the debate several times. i want to talk about that. there's a new poll about that. it shows a majority of americans think trump will win the debate. my question to you is how important will these be. they will be bigger because the lack of in-person campaigning. tell me some numbers or maybe some evidence of that. >> nothing empirical. we haven't had as much day-to-day campaign as we're used to, i think people will watch the debates with a heightened sense of interest. one of the things you mentioned that poll, i think it's an interesting one in the sense that debates are also about

expectations. if people believe one is going to win over the other and then say joe biden has a good first debate, they may think of that in much bigger sense than they normally would because they didn't feel like he might have done as well. i think debate expectations will play a big role. i think you'll have a big audience for that first debate. i think it will be really important. you're going to look and have an audience that will look at those two candidates and decides which one of those looks, sounds and acts most like a president of the united states. >> thank you so much. we hope to have you back again. coming up, in our next hour, a big beach weekend for many americans clamoring to get out after a summer of social distancing. a look at some of those scenes and whether they could lead to a spike in covid cases. plus, profile of a proterss. we'll talk to a teenager who was inspired into action by the activism in portland. y the activism in portland real progress?

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new developments from rochest rochester, new york. major concerns over holiday weekend could lead to a surge of covid cases. labor unions provide political muscle to get out the

vote for democrats but many are struggling to keep their employees employed. just a short while ago we heard from rochester mayor and the police chief and the pair discussed the recent protests that have broiled the city. they committed to series of police reforms in the wake of daniel's death. kathy, what are the reforms look like. do you think it will be enough to satisfy people there? >> reporter: this press conference is just wrapping up here. i caught all of us by surprise. it's a holiday weekend. we were anticipating these city leaders to come together to address these issues. however, it did come forward. we heard from the police chief, the mayor as well asoc