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minds of millions of americans seeking instead to amplify violence, rioting and looting in a hand full of sections of the cities and even though he's the one in office, he's sought to make it a quote unquote coming attraction of a biden administration. the former vice president had been content to stay home and let the president fall further in the polls but this moment has drawn him up traveling twice to meet the moment head on. >> this is a sitting president of the united states of america. he is supposed to be protecting his country, but instead, he's rooting for chaos and violence. the simple truth is, donald trump failed to protect america. so now he's trying to scare america. the violence we're seeing in donald trump's america, these are not images of some imagined joe biden america in the future. these are images of donald trump's america today.

>> the violence and decisiveness has been a motivating force for joe biden. he launched his campaign talking about charlottesville and the president saying that there were quote very fine people on both sides. now, a time where we feel more divided than ever by our race, by our class, both biden and trump are trying to seize the moment to their own advantage. but as the pandemic claims the lives of at least 1,000 americans a day with the economy in free fall with millions unemployed and many on the brink of homelessness and hunger, we have no idea what will happen next where jake sherman told us last week, time especially in the age of trump is relative. >> the election is 25 million trump years away. i mean, we don't know what we'll be talking about in a week. >> joining me now senior advisor for the lincoln project and

chief strategists for romney's campaign, chairman and chief strategy eists of priorities an hillary clinton's 208 campaign guy cecal and american progress and former senior advisor to president obama and hillary clinton nira tandon. thank you for being here. great to have down. i'd like to start with you. as somebody that spends a lot of time looking at polling, public, private across the board, weaver seen not a lot of movement in the wake of the conventions but had a lot of nerves from democrats over the course of the past week as they watched the president and we've watched former vice president joe biden step out a little bit further and really try to push back against president trump and the way he's been talking about particularly violence and looting over the course of the past week. do you think that nervousness is warranted and broadly, where do

you think this race stands on this labor day weekend that really marks the beginning of the final sprint to election day? >> well, in many ways, the race hasn't fund mentally changed from a polling perspective. we've seen slight movement in both directions but essentially, we're still dealing with a six to seven-point race. i would remind folks when you look at those national numbers, the reality is that joe biden needs to win the national vote probably by somewhere around 4% in order to have the electoral college move in our direction. look, i think democrats are anxious congently and we're anxious what is at stake in this election. i'll say one probably most revealing information around the public polling i've seen is the way that donald trump's attempts at defining joe biden in the context of safety aren't

working. i'll just give you one example in the poll released, when you ask people whether or not they feel more of less safe under donald trump, only 35% actually say more safe. 50% say less safe. every demographic group by race says they feel less safe under donald trump and so ultimately, i don't think these attacks on biden are working. >> nira, do you agree with that assessme assessment? you've been working in and around the party for quite sometime. >> yeah, i actually think this was a bit of a trap for donald trump. i mean, he moved it to this issue of safety and i actually thought it allowed joe biden to make the argument about personal safety and chaos, essentially joe biden has been saying that trump's chaos is hurting.

this is an example of that. he was very much not just playing defense but going on offense against trump and as you see in the numbers, he had fertile ground because actually people believe that donald trump is making them less safe and the chaos he creates and the division and the anger that he feeds off of where he wants an america where we're all at each other's throats. that's part of the problem for the public. it not part of the solution. >> you know, i'm glad you brought that up because we actually can show our viewers that they're not -- they're essentially saying exactly what you just laid out here, that they think this chaos actually benefits them and they're sort of embracing it in a way that, you know, i hear you saying you don't think is working but let's watch a couple republicans including the president talking about this chaos question. watch. >> he's a chaos candidate and would be a chaos president. >> the more chaos and anarchy and vandalism, the better choice

for the clear choice who is better on public safety and law and order. >> concerns that could exacerbate tensions and increase violence, do you give any consideration -- >> it could also increase enthee enthusiasm and love and respect for our country. >> i mean, kellyanne was very direct there. she's saying yes, all of these horrible things that are happening help us politically. in any other world, it would be obvious. most other presidential campaigns and incokucome incumb presidents are in charge. what is your sense of how this plays politically for the president and for biden? >> look, i think this hurts trump. trump is a chaotic human being. everybody knows that he is a decisive human being. i really think they see this as

1968 but he's lyndon johnson sad nixon brings it together. the fund mental problem is this is the worst economy in the history of the country. more people died in the last five months than ever died before in the history of the country and they're not addre addressing that. they are trying to make the race about something else. i just don't think all the king's men and all the king's horses can do that. trump has to come to grips with the reality. you can't just tactically put the pandemic in the past tense. you have to have a plan. you have to address it and have some plan for the economy. until he does that, he's going to lose the race. >> you know, we -- i was thinking this weekend and we were struck by the pictures of president trump in kenosha, wisconsin and i think we can put a couple of them up on the screen for our viewers because

he went to try to highlight and under score and you see him standing outside some of the destroyed buildings and how that compares to george w bush in the wake of 9/11 where going to a place in the country where there was destruction, devastation and obviously, the scale of these two things are not comparable but the way in which president bush unified the country after that difficult moment compared to the way president trump is clearly trying to use these images to distract from what you point out. he has a tragedy of similar skill and trying to use the pictures to turn it around to focus on something else. do you think americans are going to buy that and what do you -- you, i know, worked closely with former president bush. what are your reflections on seeing those pictures? >> well, look, every three days we have a 9/11 in this country.

1,000 people are dying a day of the pandemic. so he's not protegicting americ. he's ignoring the fact america is being attacked. it's his responsible to preserve and protect and people know this. look, this pandemic is to the point where everyone is one degree moved from someone affected by it. it's affecting our schools. the whole fabric of the american life, the friday night lights, the saturdays down south playing football. no michigan, ohio state game. all of this is undergone with trump and until they address that, i just think the race is going to be very stable and trump is going to continue to los

lose. >> you're making me sad but thinking of michigan losing again to ohio state. this would be the first year in a while we pulled it out. cecal, what do you think are the ramifications for what this administration has been talking for -- about in terms of the politics of a vaccine? we've seen reports that they may be willing to move forward with an emergency use authorization for a vaccine potentially as soon as november 1st, perhaps quicker than they otherwise would and clearly, i've been talking to a lot of sources that said well, we're hoping republicans in congress and the republican in the white house are hoping there is a vaccine in time for election day. that's really the only solution here. what is your sort of take on how that is going to impact how the next two months play out. >> well, first of all, let's be clear, everyone wants a vaccine as quickly as possible. democrats, republicans, we all want a vaccine as quickly as possible because we understand

that it's necessary for life to return to a more normal condition, but the fundamental problem here is that donald trump is a liar. his administration is full of liars. they have been deceiving the american people month after month after month. and so it's hard to know exactly what we're going to face over the course of the next two months and whether or not this administration has the capacity to tell the truth about the vaccine and there are real implications for that because we want people to have confidence that a vaccine is tested, that it works, and that they should use it and so the reality is until we actually see it come to fruition, i don't believe anyone should think a word, believe a word donald trump says about what's going to happen over the next two months because in every stage of the last five months, he's been lying and deceiving the american people about

covid-19. >> do you think that is going to hold? do you have confidence people will look at the president's past track record on telling the truth and it's a very, very clear track record of not doing so and actually apply that in this case or do you worry that perhaps people will be so hopeful for a vaccine that they may be swayed by it? >> actually, what i've been hopeful about is how much people listen to public health experts. we've seen 80% mask use. public health experts, not political leaders, public health experts say we need so much more infrastructure in place to actually distribute the vaccine. administration isn't doing anything to prepare for the

vacci vaccine, basically telling states to be ready. i don't think it will be ready for mass distribution in the next six months and with he makes claims and it's a tragedy nobody can rely on the cdc anymore, you'll have public health experts say this is not ready and safe and you won't see a vaccine for many, many months. people will see through the transparent political ploy for a vote this is. the only additional point is we need a vaccine absolutely, but we should recognize that other countries have been reopening safely because they had a national plan months ago. we could be in a much different place as a country, everyone without a vaccine if we had a national plan, national leadership that was actually focussed on keeping people safe so that we could safely reopen but the country never did that and i think that is part of the reason why we are where we are as a country.

>> we're certainly facing down a fall that is missing so many things we usually celebrate and heading, facing the prospect of a pretty dark and cold winter. neera, thank you for your time tonight. appreciate it. still to come, we'll do a deeper dive into some of the new polling out this week. plus, the great steve kornacki is here but first, the president continues to get better marks on his handling of the economy than joe biden does as millions face looming eviction. that's next. as millions face looming eviction that's next. you need. what do you think? i don't see it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i'm a verizon engineer, and i'm part of the team building the most powerful 5g experience for america. it's 5g ultra wideband, and it's already available in parts of select cities. like los angeles and in new york city. and it's rolling out in cities around the country. with massive capacity, it's like an eight lane highway compared to a two lane dirt road. 25x faster than today's 4g networks.

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it simply a mess. more than 20 million americans lost their jobs since the pandemic began and the number of dead americans has doubled since memorial day as congress struggles to agree on a new coronavirus relief package, millions of americans are struggling to make ends meet. >> so, either i pay rent or i pay gas and electric and don't pay rent because i can't walk sometimes. i can't move and i have to get back and forth to the doctor's. i have to ask my family to help me, you know, i got to go to food banks. i'm having a really hard time. >> reporter: and what happens if your landlord tells s you you e to leave. where do you go? >> to a home homeless shelter. >> president trump signed an order to give the cdc the ability to halt eviction proceedings against those

struggling to pay housing costs as state frprograms are expirin. it may not waive debts and leaves open the door for landlords to charge fees or penalties or interest as a result of failure to pay rent. joining me is matthew desmon, author of "evicted" poverty and profit in the american city. thank you for coming on the program tonight. the stories like the one we saw there are just so incredibly heartbreaking, and while it's clear administration is making this effort to halt some of these evictions, it seems to strain the limits of the law and of the ability of the cdc and so far congress has not stepped in. what do you think needs to happen next? >> well, the step the cdc is taking is incredibly important. it gives renters a sigh of relief and protections until the

end of the year but when we have already an eviction crisis in this country that's just been exacerbated by that pandemic, we need serious investment in housing from washington. we need rent relief to get going to those tenants behind. >> as part of your research in the book you wrote, my understanding is you actually you tried as best you could to go through the process of figuring out where to live. those lucky enough to not have gone through that or not experienced that, what do you know about families facing this right now are feeling? are the questi what are the questions they are trying to answer? what are the options they have

or don't have? >> i veviction is one of the mot stressful things they go through. you lose your possessions taken by movers or piled on the street by the sheriff department. it can cause you to become homeless and move into worse housing and worse neighborhood. studies have linked eviction to all sorts of health complications including depression and even suicide and during this pandemic when the home is really our safeguard, the home is the thing keeping us from contact with other people who might be carrying the virus. an eviction can actually expose people to the virus and keep spreading the virus. it incredibly important from a public health standpoint and human dignity stand point and to make sure people aren't casting homelessness because of this pandemic. >> well, let's talk for a second about the children who often suffer when this kind of thing happens in particular now students, many of them are

trying to attend classes virtually. many of their schools are shuttered if their family gets evicted, they likely have nowhere to learn. are there any policy resources that we have to try and help those kids? >> we're the richest nation in the world. we have all the policy resources we can imagine. there is no reason why the government can't act swiftly and boldly to make sure kids stay in their school, that they form a relationship with teachers and guidance counselors, they they don't complicate school reopenings now as they go from downing up for a little bit from a homeless shelter to another neighbor. there is absolutely things we can do from a federal level, we just need congress to act. >> and what in your view is the

solution here for both tenants, those struggling and have those living up to safety standards, is the solution rent relief? what in your view is the answer here? >> the eviction moratorium is an important step. we need to make sure it's enforced and make sure they know their rights and exercise their right the and make sure the rights are protected. that's an immediate first step. the next step i think is rent relief. the plain fact of the matter is many tenants have fallen behind because we've had unemployment levels unseen since the great depression so what does rent relief mean? it means about 7 to 12 billion a month to take care of the rental debt that's acurecrued. if we don't take care of that, we'll see the eviction crisis come back in january or february. i want to add that this eviction

moratorium is not a get out of jail free card for tenants. it demands to keep paying the ren rent as best you can. when states have moratorium, landlords experienced different levels of rent collection. property owners don't need eviction to get rental income. they don't need this violent tool to run their business. >> very good point. matthew thank you for your insights today. tonight we really appreciate it. thank you for being here. still to come, we have john much m in his own words and simulating election content. don't go anywhere. simulating el. don't go anywhere. ta-da! did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance

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both president trump and joe biden are starting to travel the country as summer comes to a close and where the candidates are going on the electoral map. steve kornacki, always great to see you. tell us what you're seeing in terms of strategy this week. >> all right. kasie, as we head into the home

stretch of the campaign, you'll see clearly when it comes to the electoral college, one candidate playing offense, one defense trying to hold on to what he got in 2016. it biden you can see the first one we have. pennsylvania. a state that donald trump flipped. no republican won since back in the 1980s. trump flipped it in 2016. new polling has him down by four point points. the pattern continues, wisconsin, another one of those midwest states trump flipped. a fox news poll has trump down eight in wisconsin. in arizona, last time arizona went for a democrat clinton reelection campaign 96. a big lead in the fox poll for biden in arizona and also north carolina. another one of those states, trump won it and won it, i don't want to say comfortably but three or four points. this wasn't a state with a razor thin margin for trump. he had a pad and still you see in the latest poll here trailing trump is against biden in north carolina.

north carolina certainly pennsylvania, those are pretty close here. wisconsin, arizona a little further out. we'll see how the numbers develop in the states but when you take it to the important battle for the electoral college, let show you what that means. this is where everything landed in 2016. 306 for donald trump. and we've always said the most direct, easiest path in theory for democrats to win this election is simply to flip back those three midwest states. we just showed you the poll from pennsylvania. if biden got that, look at that. he'd be at 252. we showed you the poll from wisconsin. if biden picked up wisconsin, look at that. now he's at 262. there is one in the middle here. we don't have any recent data from, but if biden is in a situation where he's flipping wisconsin and flipping pennsylvania, just when you look at the demographics of those states, it probably means he's flipping michigan, too because michigan is the one of these three where the democrats have felt the most confident the past couple years.

if biden is flipping pennsylvania and flipping wisconsin and just gets michigan on top of that, if nothing else changes on the map, that would put biden over 278. he'd win the election there. so when i see defense for trump, it means he's got to defend at least one of these states. let say he held on to wisconsin. let's say he was able to flip wisconsin. that could get him to 270. so it keeps him from losing the election in the midwest but as other polls we shoddwed you trouble trumps not just in the midwest. he's got to find a way to win at least the midwest state. look at the poll in arizona. he's down significantly in arizona. if trump hangs on to wisconsin but loses arizona, he still losing the election. again, let's say he were to pull it out in arizona, we showed you north carolina. if he won arizona but lost north carolina, again, all sorts of scenarios for biden with the polling we're seeing in north carolina in arizona, in the

midwest. i'll add another one. we haven't seen a very current poll but consistently florida. big, big florida. 29 electoral votes. biden is leading in the polling we've seen there this summer. if that continues, that is a cliche. that's a game changer. if biden can get the 29 electoral votes, he can start absorbing losses. trump could hang on to carolina. trump could hang on to arizona. trump could hang on to michigan. still biden would be over. biden could just pick off florida, winning florida for biden basically puts him in position to win one other state basically. florida plus pennsylvania. florida plus michigan. florida plus wisconsin. florida plus arizona. any combination would do it for joe biden. it was 306 electoral votes. a solid number, big number for him in 2016 but the margin for error in the three midwest

states is tiny. the trump he's got now extends out of the midwest. goes across some of the big states in the south and in the west. so again, he's got to defend them. he's got to win back just not all of them but most of them. and right now, the polling heading into the home stretch here probably would rather be biden than trump looking at the numbers, kasie. >> although that map of course that you're showing us there with the impossible wooe'd be seeing. guy, let's talk a little bit through what we just saw there from steve. you mentioned earlier in the show that 4% is what biden needs to win by nationally to pull off that kind of an electoral college when if we look at where they're sending joe biden this week as he has emerged on the trail, it's the midwest. is that still the strategy you think is the one they really need to run?

>> clearly from what happened in 2016, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, rightly have gotten a lot of attention. i think the most important thing about what steve pointed out is the fact there are multiple past the 270 electoral votes that we see much more as a positive number in arizona, in north carolina and really, i think as steve pointed out and i would agree completely, florida could be the game changer here for two reasons. one, it is a huge number of electoral votes but we expect that most of the votes in florida will be counted on election night and so you really could see a game changer if florida came in for joe biden early on. i would just point out the one caution i would add to all of this is that all of these polls are making projections about who is going to turn out and whose vote will be counted. that's why you see the trump administration, donald trump, attorney general barr, the republican national committee

doing everything they can to suppress the vote. ultimately, if you can't win among the electret you have, you try to choose a different electret. that's what republicans are doing with voter suppression efforts around the country. >> stewart stevens, let me get you to weigh in on that question. we've seen data that shows in georgia for example, there is now some data that shows minority voters waited for far longer than voters in predominantly white precincts for example, and this is obviously a concern across many states including florida, which as steve under scored is critical as it always is. do you think that republicans are doing what guy suggests and trying to suppress the vote? >> absolutely. donald trump, he said you can be reelected president but there won't be another election in america.

does anybody really think he wouldn't say what's the catch? we've never had a president like donald trump who has such little regard for the law. he doesn't care. we're in, i think, the most dangerous period in the next 60 days since the civil war. we have a ruthless president who is trying to hold on to power. let take wisconsin. romney loses wisconsin and trump wins by one. romney got more votes. why? 40 to 50,000 voters didn't show up in the greater milwaukee area. in part, that was due to new voter i.d. laws. i think one of the things that's really happening now is that the protests across the country are protests but also get off the vote drives and non-white voting declined in 2016 and i really think if we had an election next week, we'd see record turnout among african americans and that's what democrats really

need to put this away. >> guy, quick last word to you. do you think at the end of the day this election comes down to black voters in milwaukee and whether they come out or not? i mean, we know the last election basically came down to wisconsin and in theory there are enough voters to make that a reality. >> we have an opportunity to build a collision of folks that moved to democrats in 2018 and continued to move to us in 2020. but let's be clear. our number one priority should be turning out the democratic base that begins with african americans. it includes latino and hispanic voters, will lgbtq voters. we begin the march to the white house and end it with doing everything we can to turn out the vote. we're investing historic numbers in turning out the democratic vote in the six particular

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they will go out and vote and have to check their vote by going to the poll and voting that way because if it tabulates, they won't be able to do that. let them send it in and let them go vote and if their system is as good as they say it is, obviously, they won't be able to vote. if it isn't tabulated, they will be able to vote. >> they are trying to make the point the vidalty of the system is not good. if it's so good if you try to vote a second time, you would be caught if you vote in person. >> that would be illegal if they try to do that. >> okay. that was president trump and attorney general bill barr attempting yet again to cast doubt on the validity of election results and mail in voting. at the same time, there is now

reporting out this week with some alarming findings about bad actors working quietly online to alter the 2020 election. the report says marginalized groups are of greater suppression. social media companies are under pressure to reign in informat n information. it will block political ads in the week leading up to the election and twitter plans to add more context in hopes of clarifying what is trending and why to stop disinformation from rapidly spreading. joining me is senior business reporter from the facebook news because a week quite frankly doesn't seem very long in the grand scheme of things when you have millions of americans expected to vote by mail. in fact, north carolina is going to be starting to accept ballots as the first state to do so and this is going to be a season of voting, not just a single day.

what kind of impact do you think facebook's decision will have? >> facebook'sdisallow that voting, the goose is cooked in people's perceptions being screwed. definitely the week before will be extremely hot for lots of lies and acquisitions thrown around from all sides. good to see them do something but bad actors work for months if not years to try to manipulate elections. a week is hardly enough to do it. let's not forget, too, also that in 2016, russian troops were more active in the weeks election. it's never ending vigilance.

>> so, ben, let's talk about some new reporting out of the brennan center that gives us some additional insight into some of this disinformation are particular demographics of americans more vulnerable to disinformation online ahead of the election? >> absolutely. here is the thing. it's easier to trick people into throwing away their vote than it is to convince non-voters or try to get someone to change their voting and bad actors know this and they have a playbook for it. so what they do is target black elderly and young groups for voter suppression, traditionally more marginalized members of society. for instance, the reason why this is effective is the black and elderly have died at higher rates of from coronavirus. they are more susceptible to disinformation claims that cast doubt on the safety of in person voting. the young understandably are more skeptical of main stream

politics. they are riper targets for disinformation that might attack candidates or promote alternative candidates. >> let's talk about foreign actors because we know that russia tried to explode black lives matter in 2016. what do we know about what they are trying to do this time? should we expect similar efforts? should people be on the lookout for that kind of thing from a foreign country? >> absolutely. the russians and bad actors are trying to exploit the real divisions and real problems in this country and amplify them from beyond reality. we know from online accounts taken down this year and identified as russian actors that is what they are trying to do. we've seen the trolls impersonate blm activists or people against the police or for the police. you have to be careful

interacting with anonymous groups and check your sources, what is the source of where this person is coming from? it's back to the critical thinking ability and don't say something unless you checked it out first. we've seen dozens of accounts taken down trying to steal the voice from real black activists trying to get the world out about real issues. >> i know. i think there are a lot of people that are trying to listen perhaps to people they haven't listened to in the past but it is of course such a challenge to make sure that what you're seeing is something that actually is aimed at unifying and expanding tolerance as opposed to a foreign actor who is trying to divide our country for political ends. ben, thank you very much for your reporting and the team's work on all of this. >>. when we come back, jon meacham in his words what is at stake for this year's vote. ords stake for this year's vote

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before his passing, representative john lewis reminded us that voting was the most powerful nonviolent tool that we have in a democracy. faith in our elections has always been imperfect, from the

constitution to poll taxes to threats and intimidation. and the act of voting came at a high price for millions. now confidence is being shaken once again over mail-in votes, long lines, over conspiracy theories. so what are we to do? here's historian and author of "his truth is marching on," jon meacham in his own words. >> in the twilight, images of the movement would come to john lewis in his sleep. oh, god, yes, i dream about those days, lewis said shortly before he succumbed to cancer. i dream of the sounds of our feet on the pavement one after another. i don't have nierghtmares, at least not that i remember. i'm not sure why. might be in my mind the good forces are always at work.

the lewis, the greatest nonviolent protest was the vote. it was what he nearly died for in selma and what so many fought for. and now that right is under renewed assault. the incumbent president is trying to make it more difficult for mail-in ballots to count, and the john r. lewis voting acts right of 2020 languaishes n congress. the provisions of the 1965 voting rights act require states and localities wito seek clearae before election laws and policies. the house has passed the bill, but the senate has refused to act. add in russian disinformation designed to destabilize our democracy, and we're facing an autumn of diskette. focusing on voting and voting early may then be the most patriotic thing we can do.

think of the blood that's been shed for the ballot. there's saga of john lewis and so many other black people in the american south, and this year marks the centennial of the 19th amendment which granted women the suffrage. a few months before the second continental congress broke with great big, abigail adams advised john adams to remember the ladies. a human rights convention issued a dilation of resolutions tha the climate tick drama came in the years of woodrow wilson when alice paul focused on the ratification of the 19th amendment kept the pressure on. demonstrators known as silent set knells stood outside the white house every day.

when arrested, they would refuse food in jail, leading to dreaded force feedings in which prison officials would jam milk and mush through the protesters' nostrils, all so that you and i could vote. to the end of his life, john lewis would wake up warmed by his bright dreams and he would think, oh, that was just a dream. then he'd think, but you have to believe that it can be real, that it can be more than a dream. and it can be. >> that was jon meacham in his own words. that's going to do it for us tonight here on "kasie dc." we'll be back with you next sunday from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. for now, from me, good night from washington. washington.

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this sunday, vote watch. >> they're trying to steal the election from the republicans. >> with the pandemic leading to more people preparing to vote by mail than ever before -- >> you won't know the election result for weeks, months, maybe years after. >> president trump steps up his fight against mail-in balloting. >> the democrats are meddling by wanting and insisting on sending mail-in ballots where there's corruption all over the place. >> despite a lack of evidence. >> democrats have studied this, republicans of studied this, and no one can find any evidence of rampant voter fraud. >> so many are concerned. >> if there's mail-in i don't at all. >> do you have apprehensions about mail-in voting in this election in particular? >> i do.