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and the unemployment rate 8.4%. that is higher than before the coronavirus took hold but down from 15% back in april. >> and 2021 will crate 10 million job ngs the first ten months. joe biden, the radical socialist democrats would collapse the economy. if joe biden becomes president, china will own the united states. they are using the money we give them to build up the military. we wouldn't lose billions of dollars. >> three weeks ago i asked you why you have not called democratic leadership to the white house to meet with them.

i know pelosi. i know schumer very well. and it's good for the economy and it's good for me in the election november 3rd. >> former vice president biden slams trump for the fall out for the coronavirus and negative gauche united nations for a relief package. >> he is spending too much time in his golf courses and sand traps. and they have not called in to the white house, to the white house, to the oval office, to sit and back out on agreement. but there is no desire to work on an agreement here. >> and the associated press is reporting it's unlikely there will be a quick revival of talks to craft a relief bill when

congress returns. meanwhile politico reports damaging for the re-election bid. joining mow now are getss, senior white house reporter from digital, and a professor after morgan state university. thanks to you for being was. shannon, let me start with you, because until february or so of this year, the expectations not just around trump but around everybody in politics, the company was going to be the central message. the polling right now is not a pretty picture for the president at this point. but he gets high marks on the

economy. and he tends to outpace biden when it comes to who better to handle the economy. how he plans to handle this issue in the final two months of the campaign, what message is he trying to take to voters here amidst all the statistics we just went through? i think it's really important to focus on the crime, and the president convention. when you dig down in the poll numbers you talked about, it didn't really move the needle where people are on crime. but the economy and coronavirus remain the driving issues of the election. despite all the efforts by the president to elevate crime other

wise. and it's going to come back down to the industry, just like they thought it would, and now, this press conference, the president had today, was initially supposed to be about the economy. it was a labor day event. you know, they were pegging on the economy. the penalty talked on that a little bit. but there are so many other things that overshadowed the economic message because of the president's own message. it spirals into ukraine and chai that and attacking biden and calling him stupid. as much as the campaign wanted the election to be about the economy, the president's message continues to diverse and we are running out of time where they can settle on a consistent message. >> john, i'm curious what your

sense. when you go through the polling, again, it does look like the biggest potential vulnerability that he has, to the expect the electorate is focusing on the economy that is where he stays. if you look at the biden company, they are thinking the economy could end up playing a bigger role in the campaign, if they have a way to counter the advantage the president has now, or there is so much else out there, not the least of which is the coronavirus, the economy is just never going to real the central role we expected it would. >> the truth is two things are completely related. 9 economy is in the shape that it's in in large part because of the president unmabl to get the coronavirus contained quickly

early in the spring. you can almost hear the debate among the democrats, and the one thing he is really competitive, with joe biden on, is the economy, and it is the issue that voter after voter tells pollsters they still see strength for the president. it's the one area where his handling is competitive with biden. if the democrats can figure out how to -- if they can borrow from the karate kid f they can find out how to sweep his leg on the issue, the campaign would be over. but it's strong, and i think the one thing he has done a good job of over the last four years is talk about how he build up the economy before march, before the coronavirus, and he is continued even through his twitter escapades to drive that message

home. >> jason, one thing we were talking about, the trump campaign with telling us they want to focus on the idea of law and order, telling us wisconsin, the state of states when you look at where would positively help their company. the numbers are not showing it. so the question, will they alter the message? will it did a strategic response to what the poling is tellinging? you i want to ask you about it. what we're seeing in terms of the public response in a state like wisconsin to the trump company's emphasis on law and order s that going to affect how the democratic ticket talks and what issues they choose to emphasize in the company? >> well, steve, it already has. you had the biden/harris company koim out with an ad how they were listening, and qurned about the issues the. buff the trump company doesn't

have a message. the law and order message, or the fear black people message. you know how we know if that is effect i, if they were concerned about it. marginal democrats in the midwest are not worried yet. fp they start leaking to political coe and say joe biden needs to spend more time in wisconsin, and he hasn't been able to move anything. but primarily, no matter what message the president comes up with it, it doesn't work in prebinding joe biden and it doesn't change the daily reality. what they recognize is when they are still going to work f they kept their job, the kids are right next to them in the house because they can't go to school yesterday. if i still have a job, i haven't been able to go to the movies because the covid. the president doesn't have a message on covid. joe biden does, and that will dominate the kefrgs.

>> let me broaden thedy cushion how folks are looking to not just the presidential companies but the senate. the battle for control. in the senate, democrats try to pick up the senate, they have an idea, the hope of biden is elected president. they hang on and increase their majority and they get the senate to give them ability, latitude to govern next year. when you talk to democrats and rps, looking at how the presidential race is going to impact the senate race what are you hearing right now? >> one thing interesting, i have been hearing has been coming from donors who are shifting some of their money from -- they would have given to the presidential company to senate races because there's a sense that maybe the presidential contest is gone, or it's too big of a risk and they want to focus their attention to try to hold on to the senate should they lose the white house because of this fear that democrats pick up

ground in the senate as well as the house. there is obviously many, many nervous senators, senate candidates out there, iowa, joanie spoke at the republican convention. martha mcsally in arizona, traditionally red states. the republican senators have something to worry about and the donors are sensing that, like we need to focus on the senate races at the time being. >> is there a temptation, i guess is the word, for the biden company and democrats? looking ahead f we were to win to the idea of giving him some added clout on capitol hill to gov nern back to the closing days of the 2016 campaign and the clinton folks were thinking, we can get arizona and they gor forget about wisconsin? are there any temptations that you are seeing or they learned their less yoges from 2017?

>> the next few months will tell if they learned their lessans but i think they are more aware of the dangers of temptation of spending too much money on races that they cannot win, or that might be the presidential election and the get out the vote companies in states where you have senate elections, you can till two birds with one stone. but the path to 270 electoral votes has to be the focus on the biden company, and the outside grums. one other things i want to mention, to jason's point, i spoke to congresswoman stephanie murphy from orlando, one of the big blue dog coalition members, one of the leaders in the house and she was pointing out now only are those moderate democrats not telling joe biden he needs to come to their

states. when is the last time you remember an election cycle going through, there were not candidates for the democrats out there, openly companying against their presidential candidate. there are no democrats distancing themselves from joe biden in any way. that is really, really unusual. this point in the cycle, there is at least a handful of democrats saying i don't want to be with this nominee. we're not seeing any of that. >> one thing i am seeing, jason, interesting to me in the polling when you look deep inside it and you ask voters no who they want to win, the penalty shl election but who they think will win the presidential election. there is a bit of a disconnect there. we showed biden ahead by seven points in on average in the horse race. when you ask folks who is going to win, trump leads and i was looking at the cross tabs. there are a fair number of democrats who are for biden but i think trump is going to win. is that just protective

psychology there among democrats, or do they see, do you see genuine risks here in the closing days, closing weeks of the kbean, that could city allow trump to pull it off? and what would they be? >> yeah, none of these are about risk. democrats tend to be more pair noids. and they tend to be pessimistic. but donald trump is cheater. we can't talk about the race without saying the president of the race is not running a company, he is consolidating power. when debbie schultz is on the joer site committee and can't inspect a mail selecting location because they are soldiers who say you continue come in, and democrats where worried about the president of the united states using the post office to steal this election. that is where it comes from. that is why the biden company's

push is make smur you get your vote in, drop it off in a polling location. it's not that people want trump to be re-elected. they see a republican party that is hemming him around the country. >> it's a fascinating change about. four years ago hillary clinton led but it was a smaller margin, and overwhelmingly, folks expected her to win, and now, the expectation is now in trump's favor. interesting when when you look at the polls. thank you all for being was. really appreciate that. coming up, a look at what it's really like on college campuses right now. a report from the hawkeye state. iowa, and later, presidential his his toron to talk about the unusual presidential campaign. l. and it's already available in parts of select cities. like los angeles. and in new york city.

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across the country, some colleges are becoming pandemic hot spots. several confirmed coronavirus cases were traced back to a recent fraternity party at the university of new hampshire that was said to include more than 100 unmasks attendees. on friday, northeastern university in boston dismissed 11 stants saying they violated the school's coronavirus policies by gathering in a hotel room. the school says the tuition will

not be the refunded. and cases surge, and iowa, colleges and uses are struggling to control outbreaks and mid gate the spread. von hilliard from iowa state university. >> reporter: steve, when you look around the country and where the hot spots are at, they are centered around college towns like this one in ames iowa. and students who have come in close contact with individuals who are tested for covid are forced to move inside and held in quarantine for ten daps, and across the quad is an isolation dorm where they are living as we speak. i want to you hear directly from one of the quarantined students here on the campus. because if you look at one week of school, the percent of

positive was 13%. and now, it's 28%. take a listen. >> all classes have now transitioned to online as we continue believe the dorm. so we have to stay in our rooms and work on class in there, go to the bathroom and stuff but we can't leave the dorms. we can go out for quick walks but they want us to stay away from people and make it quick to get back inside. >> the reality that blake is living through is what thousands, thousands of students are living through from new york, to san diego, to florida, texas, colorado. there is one university, suny up in new york, that has already canceled in-person classes for the rest of the school year and sending students home. not just on the educational front but the financial front. iowa state has a first football game here and announce nod fans

are in attendance. they are looking at a $30 million deficit just this year alone. those are the con yenconsequenc and the question marks. >> all right, thank you for that and joining us now is the vice chair of preventative medicine at northwestern university. thank you for joining us. there is a quarantine dorm. anybody who has come in contact. when i think of the reality of an in-person experience in college, all the close contact with other people that is invariably going to come through that, through a class, eating, a social event. realistically, you can see a way where any of the schools can get through a semester? >> well, what we know is that these schools are not going to

get through a semester or a quarter or a school year without having a case and without having many cases. the marker is how well do they contain the cases that occur in their midst and how well do they stop the spread out to the local community. it goes without saying the coronavirus is circulating in the population. we can expect the experience the students are coming and bringing to campus is going to be replicated. while a college campus is not an institutionalized setting in the way you think about a nursing home or a prison, in some ways, it is its own commune tigs, and because of the many interactions you describe that happen on a regular basis. so there will be occasions and what is critical, the institutional response be in place to contain it before the

virus continues to spread. >> i mean, so follow that point if you would. how do you play it out practically, you have all the people in a tight setting, maybe shared ventilation that comes with that. if you get a case, how many quarantine? how is the responsible approach? >> the most responsible approach is to think about the criteria we are using now for contract tracing. where you in close contact with someone for 15 minutes or more? those individuals in close contact with a confirmed case certainly need to be isolated. i would say the entire unit sht be tested and to increase the confidence there isn't a bias going into who gets quarantined, and whether or not the instituti

institution stays hope, it's something that maybe the county needs to step in and handle although the universities and institutions are using their own resources for the testing and for the isolation and kbauquau quarantine. an external body probably needs to determine who is isolated. >> and private schools in particular there are probably resources there in place to help facilitate what you are describes. the middle school level, the elementary school level. how do they get through the next few months? >> it's a really tough decision and you have seen districts open in some places, particularly in places that had an on going hot spot in the southeast. and you have seen some have to rapidly close because of the number of cases. you know, those are the

decisions made that may be weren't the best decisions given the background rates in the communities. i think the decisions that some of the cities such as new york have made to continue forward, although to delay until the resources are in place are really smart decisions. bus in communities where the background rate of disease is manageable and low, i think the precautions for ensuring social distancing, masking and proper hygiene can work so we can get younger children back in school safety. >> when you talk about young children where schooling is about social development as much as it is able what they may be be learning in any given class. the realities of the pandemic and how it will shape the school year, what are your concerns about the social, emotional development of tens of millions of kids around the country. >> absolutely.

one quote i heard from educators is we are moving forward with the assumption they have experienced trauma. children were pulled out of school last march. many children are not going back in person for very valid reasons so they have been deprived of social interaction. and in sam cases, the vulnerabler yas, they had family and friends die. it's more critical than ever they get the social support and emotional support of cooling. we need to see the background rates of the community controlled and when a vaccine is ready, we need to promote the up take in the vulnerable populations so we can start to tamp down the prevalence of the virus in the population so kids can come back ideally in the

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doctors in germany say the russian opposition leader is out of a coma. he was poisoned last month by a nerve agent developed by the soviet army in the cold war. russian officials have denied any involvement and suggested it's part of a disinformation company. here to talk about it a former u.s. ambassador to russia. as we mentioned, there a clear pattern here that dates back years, decades of this sort of thing happening. tell us who he is, and what threat he represents to putin? >> well, awould say navalni is

the post important figure in russia. he has tried to run for president. he was denied that but the most important thing help does, he exposes corruption in the russian government, he is talented at it. he uses social media to do so. that is why he is so feared by putin and his regime. >> we say there is a long standing pattern here. take us through has it has played out in the last number of years or decades. >> well, it's long standing but new. i'm glad you mentioned that. i think we get used to this is putin and the way the russians behave. that's not true. things are changed radically. you go back to 2014 and putin annexed crimea.

he fought to stop annexation. he supported assat, and he killed -- somebody killed, we need to be careful, an important political figure, that was murdered from the kremlin calls in 2013 and novachek was killed using the same agent. all of those things are extraordinary events. they are not normal behavior, and you don't walk in the drugstore and by a novachek.

>> what should the reaction be here? >> outrage! let's be clear. this is the nelson mandela. for people who don't understand russian politician. this man has the idea that russians should elect their own leaders, right? that is his radical idea and for that, he has been poisoned. his brother has been imprisoned and other leaders have been killed too. that is who this man is. and if you remember back in the early periods, we thought they were marginal. and he was just a poet. and vallencia was a worker, mandela was in jail. this guy is fighting for basic human rights, and what is striki striking about the current moment, the free world was

united. they supported democratic leaders and today you have real outrage. i applaud what lead verse europe have said but there's one actor absence. the president of the united states. that also is unprecedented. russians belidligerency, and th lack of krit sism has decreased in ways we are never seen before. >> we mentioned medically good news there, and hopefully the best there in terms of navalny's health. you describe his significance in russia. the dynamics in russia as a result of the poisons. have you already seen an impact on the domestic scene there in russia? what do you exfwoekt see the fall out from something like

this? >> well, mass mobilization and support of mr. navalny was tremendous and another thing to point out a lot of people don't understand, not everybody in putin's regime support these activities in there. are people in the government who know him and respect him. their heads are down. but the assumption that everybody loves putin is incorrect. you have seen the demonstrations in siberian cities have gone on. massive demonstrations you have not seen in years and just across the border in belarus. the biggest demonstrations against putin's ally. so i think it's a very volatile time. people are doing very courageous, brave things in belarus n russia. and we should stand by their

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that an incumbent has faced since 1992. joining me is a nbc news presidential historian. thank you for joining us. you have probably been asked once or twice if there is a precedent for different aspects of the trump presidency. i can't ask you that. >> once or twice. >> yeah, you may recall. i will ask a different twist on it. we are looking at a campaign against the backdrop of a pandemic. the homestretch playing out likedy i'm curious. you can see a parallel? have you encountered in all of your research a parallel for the company we a campaign we are looking at now? >> no, you know, the pandemic, 1918, woodrow wilson never mentioned the pandemic and tried to pretend it's not as serious

as it was. the founders were always terrified w terrified we would have presidents to try to abuse their powers to hold on to re-election. and moeps of the american history, it has not happened. i'm not so sure. every american has to watch what trump does with postal service, the military, justice department, homeland security. state department, cdc, other government operations. he even talks about powers that i don't talk about. god knows what that means. but eternal vigilance is the price for liberty. we have to be invigilant in the next eight weeks. >> we mentioned 1992, the last time an incumbent last re-election.

since then, little clinton, george w. bush, barack obama. we had three straight presidents for two terms. if trump is re-elected, that would be four straight. >> that is rare. and that makes the founders more nervous because they will say here is a history of presidents able to get a second term. maybe temperatures have too much power or more than that, maybe the president we've got is using his powers to get re-elected in a way we have not seen before. hope it doesn't happen. we have to watch every minute this fall. >> i'm curious, there's two different paths here. we talk about if biden wins, maybe x and y and z happen. if trump wins, they happen this way. talk about what you see in policy proposals but you look at the presidency itself? how do you see the two paths?

>> well, president obama said at the democratic convention, don't lea let them take away your democracy. we have never had a former president compelled to say something like that, and that might happen if trump is re-electioned next year. the most important role we have in the united states is that a citizen, we have to be very watchful it doesn't. but when before in history, have you seen a president say, you know, if the election takes place, and it goes a certain way, maybe it might not be legitimate, maybe we should have a rerun and fight about the result. we haven't seen that before, so we're presented not only with the prospect of eight weeks of a closely fought campaign, debates we have never seen before, and maybe that will only be the beginning. i hope not. >> it occurs to me as well, if,

it's a big if, if the president were defeated for reelection, there is a modern tradition of the defeated president retreats from public view largely. it seems likely that is a tradition if trump were to be defeated here that would change. >> well, i hope it doesn't change and we have to insist it does not change. it goes all the way back to george washington who gave up power after two terms to which he was hand somely elected, and people in england said this shows he is a great man. he is able to do with dictators and monarchs are not able to do. hoe was able to give up power. and i just reread the red and the blue, your wonderful book about the fights we have dealing with now. i rex mecommend it to everyone. >> i appreciate that.

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october 20, early voting starts. that is my birthday. i need your help, okay? and thank you. >> kamala harris there, the democratic nominee for vice president in the state of wisconsin. today, we talked about the importance of wisconsin to both campaigns. it's one that trump picked off in 2016. they had not gone for a president candidate in years. we thought we would take a look that question here. how locked is the support for each one of the candidates right now? how much room is there for voter to change their mind? what we see there is the national polling average. and biden leading by seven

points nationally. you will hear it a lot. but keep in mind the key battle ground states will be closer by a few points, several points, and then the national horse race. if you're seeing a seven-point advantage for trump nationally, it's likely in the battleground states it may be closer to them. maybe a point or two. maybe more. here is one right now, that is not quite the case. it's an eight-point advantage in the most recent poll. biden over trump, pennsylvania. compare that to wear things were in 2016. and keep in mind, 52/42. this is post convention. it's worth remembers this. because obviously in 2016, donald trump was able to come back and get the win in pennsylvania. now, you say how much room is there for folks to change their minds? how about this number in pennsylvania.

biden leads by eight points. look at that number, 94%. 94% of voters say they have made up their minds. they are not going to change their minds, they are locked in, very, very high number. speaks to the level of polarization. but it's important to keep in mind, when you see the number like that where is that number 2017. clinton led 52-42 after and then it was 92%. that is close to where it is now. huh more than 9 in 10 with their minds made up and there was just enough room for trump to get a fran fraction of a point higher, and there were third party candidates in 2016 that were gobbling it up, in terms of useful for trump. keep in mind, he was down in the

polling in pennsylvania. with a lot of people saying their minds were made up. he was able to pull it out and we take a look at florida. biden up by three, in the most recent poll. and again, 93 percent saying their minds are made up in florida, it didn't move much. trump won florida by a point and half in 2016. trailed by a point at this time. again, it doesn't take a lot of movement. even with so many people saying their minds are made up, there could be room in there. it comes back to that idea there. the national polling, joe bide season ahead by seven points right now, and you can see with him ahead by seven nationally, things line up for him in the electoral college. if it drops, gets down to five points, four points, three points f it drops like that, you can expect to see move in the his direction in the key

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