represented. his focus is going to be how does that help those people who sent him there. if you have a joint event, he will be talking to every single person. >> but i love that about him, too. i really do. folks want to be seen and joe sees people through these aif glasses and without them. it's a very special thing about him. >> a campaign ad with a call back. that does it for us. the read out start as now. it is 7:00 p.m. on the east coast and at this hour, donald trump is holding a rally in winston salem, north carolina. defying the state's mask mandate as well as its limit on crowd size because of course, he is. we're not going the take it live, but we are monitoring what

he says and we'll bring you any relevant developments throughout the hour. then there's this. >> when we were in chicago, we were driving through a predominantly black neighborhood. his comment to me was only the blacks could live this way. >> trump's former lawyer has a to say. we have more on that coming up in a moment, but first, donald trump is doing everything in his power to stop the bleeding after an explosive report in the atlantic that redisparaged u.s. soldiers. when ever a narrative threatens his grip on power. he's denying the report, fox news confirming parts of the story. when he didnisn't in denial mod trump doubles down on insulting the military by attack aing the very military leadership that he

himself appointed. >> i'm not saying the military's in love with me. the soldiers are. the top people in the pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and planes and everything else stay happy. >> now what we've learned from atlantic piece isn't breaking news we've seen it since the summer he launched his first presidential campaign when he said former prisoner of war, john mccain, was not a war hee because he was captured, but trump made sure a clak of loyalists slammed the reporting any way. including people who aren't even on the 2018 paris trip, like his current press secretary who isn't assume the b job until 2020. sarah huckabee sanders out of hiding to deem the story fake news. but who's not commentating on

this story is far more interesting. john kelly. he's managed to become the loud est person this this controversy by not saying a word. the retired four star general has yet to confirm or to deny it. the same dwoez for retired general, chairman of the former junt chiefs of staff. both have indicated that the military calls for stigma. especially in the world of partisan politics. and yet, there comes a time when senior leadership of the american military must break their silence, no? here's joe biden making a strong case as to why. >> when it comes to veterans, he's down right un-american. i've never said that about a president ever, ever, ever. but calling those who have served, risk their lives, even gave their lives to our nation, losers and suckers. these are heroes.

i'll tell you something. my beau wasn't a loser. or a sucker. if that's how you talk about our vetera veterans, you have no business being president of the united states of america. period. >> joining me now is representative mikey sherrill of new jersey. a former navy helicopter pilot. ted lu of california. and claire mccaskill, former u.s. senator out of missouri. congresswoman, i want to go to you first. donald trump, he sent a lot of people out to defend him including the current defense secretary who wasn't in the job until the following summer. a lot of people who weren't there. steve mnuchin, who wasn't there. what do you make of these denials and how did they hit you personally when you read or heard about what the atlantic's reporter found out? >> well, joy, as you discussed, this isn't the first time the president has denigrated service or service members.

we've seen it with his comments on john mccain and his powerful example of how you serve when you're a p.o.w. and the fact you follow the rules of war and don't accept the enemy letting you go for special favors and you stay, even if you have ejection injuries and are tortured for five more years. that's something that speaks to people who served. that's something that spoke to me at the naval academy. we've heard him denigrate gold star families. many of us who served the ultimate sasacrifice, that's something we're proud to do. it's really the families we leave behind. our mother, father, sisters, brothers and children who will grow up without parents. so we take care of our gold star families and to hear the president even denigrate them is really beyond the pale and i believe he's unfit to be the commander in chief.

>> we spoke with mr. khan last week. this isn't even a new story. the thing about this, one of our two said during our -- there's a book out that in which donald trump, this is phillip rucker and carol linne wrote a book, these two great reporters, called a very stable jegenius i which trump is said to have berated generals in 2017, calling them dopes and babies, telling them you're all losers, you don't know how to win anymore. i wouldn't go to war with you people. you're a bunch of dopes and babies. it's not like this is something he hasn't done before. what do you think this would resonate than these other reports? >> thank you for your question. you're right. this is not an isolated incident and first of all, it is appa appalling that anyone would think that american service

members who gave their lives at war somehow losers and suckers, but for these words to come from the president of the united states is absolutely demoralizing. imagine if you're deploying on the front lines of afghanistan and you hear about this or lost a family member to war. so donald trump must apologize. the fact that everyone who is around him at the time is silent and not denying this i think speaks volumes. i do hope that john kelly and other generals speak out, but we don't need them to to know this is true and we know it's true because donald trump again went after the military this weekend when he attacked military generals for somehow being warmongers. that's exactly the opposite. i served active duty. it's been my experience that commanders don't want to go to war because they know the horrors of war. >> and you know, one of the people who was sent out and has been out flaking for her former boss is sarah huckabee sanders.

very much ride or die, for whatever it is donald trump does. i've got an interesting piece of her on the view this morning. watch this segment with her and at one point, joy asks her a very important question. she's saying it didn't happen. she was indeed on the trip. but u just take a listen to thisly l clip. >> question, i want to clear something up with you. because i think i heard you say that you don't believe that jeffrey goldberg ought to go because you were there. is that correct? >> correct. the incident that they were specifically talking about -- >> okay. okay. >> i was there for that discussion. >> okay, so my question is when, when general kelly was at arlington cemetery standing next to trump looking at his son's grave side and trump allegedly said what do you get out of it, were you there for that?

>> i was not standing next to the president. >> i mean, claire, she's the one person who was there who's trying to defend. i think there have been some other people who were on the trip, but there's no one who was literally standing there listening to donald trump talk to general kelly or general dunford that has defended him. what does it say to you that those people are silent? that they're not coming out because they could, they're not being political. they could say what a horrible thing to say about the commander in chief. they're not saying it. >> first of all, i love being on a panel with these two wonderful people who served. i was on the armed services committee for 12 years, joy. and i will tell you the military leadership that has been maligned last week. you know, it's funny because trump spends days saying i didn't criticize the military then has a press conference and criticize d the active duty military leadership and people

who serve know the people that are the leaders of the military, they are not political. they have come up through the ranks. they have seen the horrors of war. personally. both by losing people and fighting. so, you take a guy like john kelly. he, he does not want to be political. he is, but his sigh slelence is deafening and i guarantee you that it means something and here's what i would say to sarah huckabee. well, this was about commemorating american soldiers. the secemetery in paris. why were the other world leaders there? how did they manage to get there? why was the rain not a problem for them? why was the leadership of germany and canada and all of our allies, why were every single one of them at that cemetery but donald trump wasn't? that's the question i'd like to have sarah huckabee sanders answer. why are all those leaders, why did they think it was important and donald trump didn't?

>> yeah. let alone the fact he did find time for putin. the army was tweeting out photos of people riding their bikes in the same rain. it isn't plausible and he was mocked for it at the time. meanwhile, another little interesting note of information because in the defense of donald trump, this is what his campaign is doing. one of their campaign staffers, somebody named frances brennan tweeted out or i'm sorry, tweeted out mr. vice president, come talk to us. this is joe biden who just keeps me andering along. this is a tweet from the trump campaign. now, this was joe biden. who has lost a son. not in combat, but his son served his country and died of cancer. his oldest son. and biden made a visit to st. joseph's to a church in wilmington, delaware, where beau biden, his son, is buried.

you can see. we're going to show the video here of it because this is what the trump campaign mocked as biden meandering and trying to make it look like there was something wrong with him when he was literally just walking to see his son's grave. what do you make of that? even the campaign is participating in mocking joe biden, who has actually felt the loss of a son. he didn't die in combat, but you know, what do you make of that, congresswoman? >> i think like most americans, i have no idea who to make of that. to have a parent visiting the grave of their child, something that i hope i personally never have to experience, being somehow mocked? again and again, you just wonder where's the empathy? where's the concern for other people? where's the leadership to bring this country together when we're all hurting so badly from this pandemic. it's really strikingly lacking. >> claire, to go back to you for a moment because you know

senator mccain. i'm sure you guys had your clashes on policy back and forth, et cetera. and donald trump still can't ett it go. this was donald trump on mccain, monday, on labor day. >> i've always been on the opposite side of john mccain. john mccain like d wars. i will be a better warrior than anybody, but will we fight war, we're going to win them and frankly, i was never fan of john mccain. you know that. so this is not somebody am i supposed to say, what a wonderful guy? >> john mccain is dead. he can't let it go and he hasn't even ended any of these wars. he's increase d the number of troops overseas so that's not even a -- you've been in tough campaigns, claire. does this make any sense to you for this to be the strategy? >> no. and i, you know, it's so hard to listen to him denigrate john mccain. john mccain and i were friends.

we didn't agree on a lot, but we were friends. and as the congresswoman said, people need to understand john mccain's history. you know, his family was revered in the navy and his father was an admiral at the time he was a prisoner of war and thented to let him out. they wanted to let him go. and he said no. i'm not leaving without my fellow captured soldiers or captured sailors. i'm not leaving without the others and he stayed. now, compare and contrast that to this jerk in the white house who actually said that fighting sexually transmitted diseases was his personal vietnam. and this jerk who refuses to confront putin over putting a bounty on american soldiers, that's what america's military is hearing right now.

that's the commander in chief they've got. that's why his numbers are plumeting with active military right now and he may be the first republican in my lifetime to not capture the majority votes of the active military in the united states. >> and congressman lieu, i'm going to give you the last word on this. even the attacks on the mail could hurt overseas personnel who may have to vote by mail. it just sort of never ends. i don't know. i'm just going to give you the last word. >> thank you, joy. senator mccaskill is absolutely right. donald trump is likely going to be the first president in a long time to lose a vote of active duty military based on recent poll. more active duty troops support joe biden than donald trump. we were talking about this a few days ago. that's unheard of. when we served, you never would have seen this happen and that's because the active duty military

understands what trump has done. he has weakened united states foreign policy. he has disparage d the military. he still refuses to -- replacing a bounty on the heads of u.s. troops. and even today, he cannot say a single sentence that is against putin. so the u.s. military troops are watching this and they understand that donald trump is not fit to be commander in chief. >> congresswoman sherrill, ted li e eu and claire mccaskill, thank you very much. up next, michael cohen spills all the tea. >> if you had a conversation with donald trump right now, what would you want to tell him? >> that he should resign now. milet mike pence pardon you fro any and all potential crimes that will come out against you and that would be my recommendation to you. step aside. step aside >> oh, new revelations tonight

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for spending a perfectly reasonable amount of time on the couch with tacos from grubhub? grubhub's gonna reward you for that with a $5 off perk. (doorbell rings) - [crowd] grubhub! (fireworks exploding) i described mr. trump as cult leader and i was in this cult. while i was in the cult, i was really refusing to acknowledge that the actions that i was performing for my boss were morally wrong. >> now free from the cult of donald trump, his former personal attorney, michael cohen, is out with a new book full of allegations about his one-time boss.

but much like the explosive report from the atlantic about trump disparaging american service members, some of cohen's allegations sound a lot like what we already know about trump. in the book, cohen por trars trump as not only a cult leader, but a con man and racist. in an exclusive interview with lester holt, cohen expanded on the racism he says he observed firsthand while working for trump. >> you called trump a racist. were you witness to any moments that you thought he was exhibiting racism or used a rational slur? >> unfortunately, all too many times. we had one where right after nelson mandela had passed away and i talk about this in the book. asked me if i had known of any country that's run by a black that's not an s hole and i said, how about america? to which he gave me the proverbial f-urk. >> he says he outlined contempt for barack obama. >> well, i believe his hatred

for barack obama basically starts with the fact that he's black and he was the first black president in this country. >> now that's not surprising given that trump launched his political career peddling the birther career and disparaging america's first black president, but what is new and super weird, akortding to the "new york times," cohen writes that trump hired a fake obama to record a video where trump ritualically belittled him then fired him. hard to imagine any adult would spend any serious money. obama served two full terms. turned didn't functionally fire anybody. the video cohen appears to be describing was presented to the romney campaign to be shown at the 2012 republican national convention but the campaign, for some reason, passed on it. we can show you bit of it now.

it shows the actor portraying obama visiting trump tower in new york. >> have a seat. let cea let's see what you've been up to. this is your review. the fact is, the person people want results. president obama, you're fired. >> and in an interview with my colleague, rachel maddow, we'll learn more about trump's other favorite obsession. putin, of course. for more, i'm joined by ohm r a rosa, the author of unhinged. and sam, former campaign adviser to the 2016 trump campaign. and you and i have talked about this before. i read your book. you talk a lot about the things that people, they know they know about donald trump, but they need to have confirmed for him.

this obsession, we've talked about the fact it had in part to do with him disparaging him at the correspondents dinner. it's the idea that a black person in his mind shouldn't be president at all. in his mind, any country with a black president is an s hole. does that ring true to wrou? >> absolutely. and i have to tell you, that this kind of anecdote about trump is one of the most bizarre stories i've heard. i didn't know anything about this. all these revelations in cohen's book are shocking. i mean, the it's just down right shocking, but certainly, definitely believable. >> and i mean, this is a person who wanted to do a blacks versus white apprentice. you know, there is a guy who worked on the apprentice who's been tweeting all the time that trump used the n word, that he was very open about it.

cohen said he would just drop it all the time. is that something you had ever eck appearan experienced or did he have the nerve to do it from front of you? >> you know, the first time i heard about donald trump's use of the n word is when the producer from the apprentice went on pbs and gave that interview. i'm going to tell you, i was shocked to hear that michael cohen heard him use it so often and knew that you know, i was doing business with donald trump. that i was around him. that i was a producing partner for donald trump and didn't share that. i mean, it's just a little disheartening, but he's say iin the same thing that mary trump said as well. that he used it often. dropped it often. we all know that he is a racist. >> yeah, and you know, sam, there's that and i agree that is the weirdest story i've heard. he literally went to the trouble of hiring a faux bama.

let's talk about some of the other things. on russia, which is trump's other obsession. cohen writes and "the washington post" who had a preview of the book, they right write the following. cohen writes the cause behind trump's add miration of putin i simpler than many of his critics i assume. above all, he writes, trump loves money and he wrongly identified trump as the richest man in the world. trump loved putin because the russian leader had the ability to take over the entire nation and run it like it was his personal company, like the trump organization in fact. does that ring true to you? that donald trump loves putin because he wants to run america like it's his own personal business like the way he thinks putin does? >> that was in my dealings when we discussed putin, it was strictly policy and what would help him and the republican con evening. joy, i, disclaimer. i spoke to mike pence. i'm reading the book. i enjoyed it.

it has michael's humor, but it's a different way people see things. for instance, this obama video, i was under this assumption that the romney campaign asked them to film that and then they spiked it at the convention. if that's what michael claims happened, i wasn't working day-to-day there. but i think the tragedy of all this is if you would have told me i would be on a panel 55 days out from donald trump's re-elect and omarosa would be on here and she would have had a fallout with him and we would be in the lead up two hours to rachel maddow's you know, blockbuster interview on donald trump, i would have said you're crazy. absolutely crazy. and you know, but what -- >> one thing -- let me ask you this. yeah. i agree that. let me ask you one more question on the putin thing because you said it was about policy. what policy could possibly be advanced by refusing to

criticize putin for putting bounties on american soldiers or for killing his chief opposition leerd and refusing to believe american intelligence about putin attacking our election when a all of our intelligence agencies say he did? what could possibly be the policy reason for sucking up to putin to that extent? >> well, no. what i said was when i spoke with him, it was 2015 and we were talking about whether or not we were going to oppose putin had just gone into through syria to fight isis and whether or not we were going to say that was a positive or a negative. in our view, he said this that we thought putin would be doing a better job to take out isis than obama. with that said, the recent allegation as that have come out, i don't think that the trump campaign or the trump white house has dealt with them well. i don't understand. i would hope that the president could actually say something and the problem is overall, he has this antipathy to the national

intelligence and i could understand from the point of view of what happened during the investigation, particularly with comey and how he felt blind sided, but with that said, he has the commander in chief and if the russians are doing this, he should be aggressively talking about it both publicly and privately to putin. >> well, i'm sure it is blind siding when someone catches you kai noodling with a hostile foreign power that's attacking our lech. omarosa, overall, what you've seen in the campaign trk stuff cohen talking about is donald trump inflating his assets to make himself look richer because he wants to be on the forbes list. it's all ego. you experienced him both as a white house staffer and as somebody who was a star of his show, the apprentice. without a producer, without somebody like the creator of the apprentice to help him, could donald trump ever function as a leader, as a president?

is the only thing propping him up is that he had people like mr. cohen to help him and that now that they're gone, he can't do it? >> well, joy, we have seen donald trump try to produce his own reality show in the white house. i do believe that this is the apprentice version of the white house. unfortunately, donald trump has shown the american people over and over again, he's had three years to show that he was up to this job, that he could be an effective leader. that he could help with domestic policy and go out on world stage and make us proud, but over and oaf, we have seen donald trump is not equipped to lead this country. particularly as we see 185,000 americans have died of covid and yet he still does not have a nationwide plan to combat covid. there is no way that anyone watching at home should even think about giving this man four more years to lead this great

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for months, donald trump claimed the coronavirus would just disapeerks but as we near the end of summer tharks not been the case. from memorial day to labor day, the united states saw the number of new cases almost quadruple from around 1.6 million to more than 6.3 million cases and the number of americans who have died almost doubled from just under 100,000 to more than 190,000. the late e projections are dire and show that the number of deaths could reach 400,000. 400,000 by the end of the year. this comes as students head back to school with heightened concerns that those attending many person classes could cause a more catastrophic spread of the virus. joining me now is dr. libby roy. there is a lot of you know, sort

of i won't call it panic, but a lot of parents are afraid. of sending their kids back the school in a lot of cases, it's in person. how worried should people be? given what we're seeing happen, particularly on college campuses that are in some cases sending kids home because of outbreaks. >> it's great to be with you. i'm hearing a lot of, and i agree, not necessarily alarm, but there is concern and i think it's legitimate. we've seen many, many cases of schools across the country from elementary schools right up to universities, where we're seeing just huge outbreaks. of cases. amongst children until college age students. so, there's concern amongst parents because they're again, and we've talked about this before, no clear plan. there's no national strategy. although the different communities are left to their own devices to try to figure this out.

which is really, it's so chaotic and it's irresponsible. we need to stop playing russian roulette with children's lives. we know that children get sick with this novel coronavirus and now that autumn is here, fall, rather, we know that respiratory viruses are going to be peaking. we need to actually take action here. >> what about this idea of a vaccine? donald trump is still kind of promoting that there will be a vaccine. there's been some pushback from drug companies that say whoa, we're not going to put anything out there unless it's properly tested. is it even possible for a vaccine to be thoroughly tested by election day? >> random day of election day, yeah. look, i'm a doctor. i'm a public health advocate. i'm a big, big advocate for prevention and vaccinations, immunizations fall into the category of prevention. i just got my own flu shot last

week. i recommend it for all people. here's the thing though. with coronavirus. and the vaccines that the multiple candidates that are out there. none of them have completed phase three trials. and remember, that's the last phase, the large phase, that looks at 30, 40,000 people and but it's not just the number, joy. it's the timeline. you have to look at the effect of this, this new medication, this vaccine, over time. because you may not see an adverse effect in 30, 40 days, but you might in six months, in 12 months, 18 months. it would be a neurologic, cardiac. so that's the concern, joy, and right now, none of the vaccine candidates have completed that necessary phase three trial, phase three, which could take up to years to be honest. at least one or two years. >> indeed. sobering, but very good

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the fodder continues over the president's visit to france after the president canceled a visit to the american cemetery because he was concerned his hair would get mussed and didn't believe it important to honor america's war dead. trump has of course denied that reporting blaming the weather. >> it was very, very foggy and the helicopter was unable to fly so i went and i called home, i spoke to my wife, i said i hate this.

i came here to go to that ceremony. >> but there's one teeny little problem with that defense. his wife was literally on the trip with him. there she is right next to him while his favorite dictator shakes his hand and gives him a thumb's up. but that's not even the mostry lick douridiculous thing. after that news report, trump had some extra time on his hands. in mansion filled with artwork, the u.s. ambassador's home in paris. the next day, trump pointed ee a franklin bust and a set of figures and characters and insisted the pieces come back with him to washington. in other words, he went shopping without a credit card. the art was loaded on to air force one and off to trump's. but it turns out that the art wasn't even high quality. according to wloom berg, both

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. it's coming to the suburbs and fast. you could say good-bye to the american droeam. this comes as recent polls show it's not a top concern for most voters. their top concerns are the coronavirus, economy and impact of racism and there is one demographic that does cite crime as a top issue. joining me is the contributor for show times the circus.

>> i want to make sure that we clarify that it was mary trump and not michael cohen that made the allegation that trump actually used the "n" word. let's clear that upright off the bat. i want to go to you with the strategy he's trying to use. it's a scare white voters strategy. it's not moving any numbers toward him away from joe biden. why do you think that is as somebody that was a republican and understands how these campaigns work. >> the suburbs have changed. the suburbs aren't the way they were 10, 15, 20 years ago where they were mostly older and white. now they're younger. they're more diverse but i also think another problem and

provided them the resources they need for their jobs. he should be con certained about the small business owners that voted for a tax cut and they are now bankrupt and laying off thousands of employees across the country. he should be concerned about the friends that have friends that happen to be black and see how most of them were treated by police. i'm not sure what voter that was meant to help. it is a weird strategy. let me play for you the new ad which a lot of people give

credit for. it's a message that seems to be working for biden. >> this is our chance. to put the darkness of the past four years behind us. to end the anger. the insults. the division. the violence. and start fresh in america. we can stop focussing on a president that thinks it's all about him and start focussing on what's best for us. but there's a positive element to that.

joe biden to push them his way and that manages to do both. but wow, fresh start does sound really appealing doesn't it? and i think for the people that -- for the small band of swing voters that is a good message, i was in wisconsin last week. something in the state of wisconsin and trump trying to use fear as a message was unlikely to have a big impact so

when we see that tomorrow that's really important. if that scare message cannot work in wisconsin i'm not sure where it's going to work and it could show that as you see with others from the national polls that it's just not moving voters. >> you know, if donald trump was in a position a there wouldn't be stories about him having a lot of money problems. he's the incumbent president of the united states. you'd think he would have money pouring in so that's an issue and then there's this. here's donald trump doubling down on telling his supporters that they should vote twice. >> make sure that you send the ballot in and then go to your polling place and make sure that it counts. make sure that it counts. because the only way that they can win is by doing very bad things. that's the only way. >> you know, it doesn't sound like somebody that's winning. if you need two votes out of each voter, you don't have enough voters.

watch out for the extra ballots that are going to come out of nowhere and he's asking his supporters to break the law. it's the height of hypocrisy that shows why he should not be in this office. he shows every single day in my view why someone like a joe biden who i do not agree with on every single policy issue is better suited to lead this country out of this chaos and this mess. we can debate politics later but we have to protect the

institutions of the country that i personally believe are being targeted and destroyed every single day by donald trump's behavior. >> jennifer, wish we had more time. thank you both very much. appreciate you guys. tonight on all in. >> it's being contained and -- do you not think it's being contained? >> tonight, alarming new details by way of the motorcycle rally showing how uncontained the virus is and why democrats are playing hard ball to get relief to americans and why on earth is the department of justice seeking to defend the president in a defamation case brought by a woman that says donald trump raped her. and ahead of rachel maddow's big