now? >> not at all. we know the census bureau needed full-time to complete this we can't do this on time if we have this truncated process. if they have asking more time, the trump administration realizes more time means more accuracy we need people to take action in on hand on my census >> stacey abrams, thank you for being with us. "the rachel maddow" show starts right now. >> thank you, chris. i don't mean to make light of this and downgrade the gravity

because of what's going on in the news right now this is heavy stuff for our country. i kept on thinking over and over again as each unbelievable news story broke the past 24 hours. if this were a tv series of what's going on in american politics right now tonight would be the episode of the tv series where the president of the united states resigns. i mean think of where we are right now, right labor day just happened. the political common wisdom which is pretty accurate in this case the country starts thinking of the presidential election seriously. only once labor day is over and the school year begins well, this year the school year beginning is a rolling coast to coast catastrophe because of the mishandling of the covid-19 epidemic this week as we get past labor day and the school year is

supposed to begin, we are waking up to the horror right now of what it means over the course of this summer that's wrapping up riep right now, covid infections in this country nearly quadruple just during this summer. nearly quadruple today we pass 190,000 americans dead from covid. today with that baring down on us as an american catastrophe, today he admits it this is not an accusation about him from observers this is reporting about him from witnesses who tell reporters that they heard him and they admit it this is a person admitting this to the reporter and we have to

believe the reporter this is what the president says. when i said he admits it, he admits it on tape in a conversation with reporter he was told that was recording him. >> i wanted to always play it down i still like to play it down >> i still like playing it down. >> it is also more deadly than your strenuous flu >> it will go away it will go away without a vaccine. >> cases 99% of which are totally harmless young people are almost immune to it. >> in taped interview with bob woodward, the president admitted on tape that he always played

down the virus even when he knew how deadly it was. >> it is more deadly than your strenuous than the flu this is deadly stuff it is not just -- >> that's what he knew the president admits he likes to play it down even though he knew just how bad it is that it is deadly stuff and young people are not immune this is not like the friggin' flu. woodward quote the president saying to him it is so easily tra transmittable and you would not believe it and in public he's mocking people wearing masks and talking about this is no big deal and it is going to go away on its own in the well written drama we all

wish it was. this is the episode where the president resigns. instead we just keep ongoing on a day like today today in a vast part of our country, our real country in real life this morning, the sun did not rise at least not in a way that was visible to the naked eye this was the view out the window for people living in san francisco bay area, the blue skies turned a violent shade of orange the orange gotten darker over the course of the day of the smoke that you are seeing. california is in the middle of the worst wildfires season wildfires have burned through 2.3 million acres just in california that's 20 times what burned in the state in all of last year. that's just in the last few weeks. these fires have destroyed homes

and caused evacuations of thousands of people. this morning the sky turned a shade of orange so thick that it blocks the morning sun how could you know if it was day or night this was the drive across golden gate bridge in san francisco around 9:30 this morning they left the street lights all day today. drivers told to use near high beams in what should have been broad daylight but instead looks like that. there are uncontrolled wildfires raging in 13 different western states tonight put together the wildfires that are burning and covering the surface area roughly the size of the state of connecticut the fire wiped out the entire small town this was salem oreg, oregon, to.

they are covered in ash. governor brown said today the fire ripping across the state could cause the greatest loss of human life and property in oreg oregon's history hundreds of homes in the state burned to the ground even in places that are untouched by the flames that are not directly threatened by fire, the scale of this disaster in the west is inescapable. you will recall that the president has blamed the american west and california in particular for its own wildfires saying that really they should sweep the floor. his idea is a, climate change is a hoax this is all a hoax b, the only place that get wildfires are places that deserves it because they don't do a good enough job sweeping the ground in the forest like

with brooms he means that's what he got to offer as president of the united states tens of thousands of americans are under evacuation orders because of this crisis right now. it is a time when the moment, the needs of the country and the leadership of the country feels like they are reooting on two different planets. here is another one. here last night on the show, the president's long time personal lawyer and fixer told us here on the air that as a candidate, the president personally approved and directed the publication of false stories of all of his republican primary opponents including one story that says the father of republican u.s. senator ted cruz had been involved in the jfk assassination. the president arranged for a tabloid to run that story, he went so far to dictate which

picture to run on the front page of that tabloid. that was last night. we learned about the president and his treatment of senator cruz and senator cruz's family and his own party. this afternoon at the white house, i am sure there are no connection at all. i am sure it is a coincidence. this afternoon the president announced he's thinking of putting senator cruz on the supreme court. we learned president trump directed a super market tabloid to run on the front page of allegation that tread cruz's dad killed jfk and today he's like i am going to put cruz on the supreme court. no, senator, you are not going to be on the supreme court

enjoy the ride here is another one. this is a little notice development today. today and the story reported on blo bloomberg news the foreign bank to which the president owes hundreds of millions of dollars, a foreign bank to which the president owes hundreds of millions of dollars, today the foreign bank hired one of the oldest and closest friends of attorney general william barr the bank again is owed hundreds of millions of dollars by the president while he's serving as president. they are facing multiple ongoing investigations including for their admitted role as a conduit for large scale money laundering the justice department does not seem to be moving on that case the justice department appears

to be feeling nicer already today announcing a slap on the risk fine to put to rest it is like one thing after another today. this is not a thing that's over. the delivery of prescription drugs by mail has slowed down by what the president's postmaster general has done this is just ahead of what to be the largest vote by mail election in history. the new postal screw up the

ability for mails made massive, illegal campaign donations to republican candidates by having his employees making donations in their own name followed by him reimbursing them through his company. i don't know if you listen to that podcast that i did called "bad man," and the bribery and extortion schemes that he ran in maryland before he got to the white house and he ran it out of the white house once he became vice president that scheme, agnew nearly put him in jail. that hinged on the same scam that postmaster lewis dejoy used with his own employees to make illegal contributions. federal prosecutors nailed agnew in the scheme in 1937 and forced him out of the white house now faced with credible

allegation that dejoy had been doing the same thing federal prosecutors working under william barr don't seem all that interesting of what dejoy did. >> of course not i mean it is possible that north carolina state prosecutors are interested in this we shall see meanwhile he's still postmaster general and ballots are going up for the presidential election. it is 55 days until election day which will still be election day even if the president does resign i will say the trump campaign does cancel their rallies and the trump campaign did report raising $150 million less than what biden/harris raised last month. just unbelievable. the reporting today, woodward's book and everything else any piece of this would be the

defining, if not determined scandal, including nixon and probably including agnew if they let him get that close this is from "the washington post" write up on what's in bob woodward's new book. listen to this in the midst of reflecting upon how close the u.s. had come in 2017 to war with north korea, trump revealed "i have built a nuclear, a weapon system that nobody had in this country, we have stuff that you have never heard about before, there is nobody, what we have is incredible." woodward writes other sources later confirmed that the u.s. military does have a secret new weapon system but they would not provide details. they report that other sources he spoke to were a surprise,

trump had disclosed it now, i don't know what it is either but, if in fact we have new nuclear weapon capabilities that's unlike anything they got in russia and anything we got in china and anything that's disclosed todd the worlo the wo. i am quite sure that donald trump is not supposed to disclose that to bob woodward or anyone else. i mean with that comment alone, with that appearing in woodward's book, the president has just today launched -- he just launched a new nuclea nuclear -- great thanks

cheers what did you get from that little bragging like that to bob woodward at the top of that quote, we almost had a nuclear war with north korea in 2017, apparently we did cnn in addition to "the washington post" got a copy of the woodward's book today. his report on concerns that the u.s. may have come close to nuclear war with north korea, ahmad provocation in 2017. it was so serious that defense secretary james mattis left in his clothes to be ready in case there was a north korean launch. he went to the washington national cathedral to pray for the country. like i said in a normal world, this is the episode where the president quits. we were on the brink of a nuclear war with north korea,

because he believes the the launch at us may be imminent, really the director national intelligence under president trump, the first one, dan coats, listen to this about dan coats dan coats continues to harbor the secret belief, one that grown rather thanlessened that vladimir putin had something on trump. woodward said, how else to explain the president's behavior woodward writes, coats and his staff members examined the intelligence as close as possible coats saw how extraordinary it was for the president's top official to harbor such suspicion about the president's relationship with putin but still he could not shake those

suspicions that's the president on national intelligence for what it is worth this lines up directly with the views of the former top counter intelligence officials at the fbi who has a new book on trump that's just out now that's called compromise. >> look, i recruited spies for two decades. what it looks like varies. on one end you can have somebody fully knows they're working for you and they're going to do every last thing you say t with president trump lies in the middle do i think he's a mentoring candidate? i don't. do i think he's doing things that's not in the interests of the national security of the united states because of the things that russia holds over him that he does not want known,

absolutely i believe that. that's horrified it exists and it is real and it is manager thsomething that evea should be concerned about. >> peter strzok has been demonized for his role of the russia investigation he's going to be here on this show tomorrow night. his book is astonishing. given his take on the president was apparently shared. intelligence director seems like a particularly good time to talk to mr. strzok and on top of all of that, there is this senior homeland security whistle

alleges in a whistleblower complaint, reported today by shane harris, a senior department of homeland security official alleges that he was told to stop providing intelligence interference in the 2020 election in part because it made the president looked bad. on july 8th this year, he says chad wolf told him that an intelligence notification regarding russian disinformation efforts should be "held" because it was unflattering to trump the official alleges and ongoing efforts -- chad wolf told him to

producing intelligence assessment in russia these instructions originated from the white house, the white house national security adviser, robert o'brien this is a serving official in the trump administration he filed an official complaint which we could read. this is a remarkable thing he's being directed and it embarrasses the president, stop producing intelligence assessment about russia interferen interference i want to point out one aspect of this that i am not sure it is widely discussed it strikes me as quite bad homeland security intelligence report they're not the kind of thing that gets a full public airing

they're not fully declassified and distributed for the public to read. maybe they sometimes get distributed to the public and maybe they don't it is reporting on the whistleblower complaint. these reports are what they really used for is that they are shared with the fbi and other federal law enforcement with state and local government so those entities can protect take steps to protect the country. this is not just about public statements this is not just that the trump administration holds this stuff back or the public does not hear things or contradicts president trump. he does not like to hear about that they are blocking these intelligence reports to law enforcement and to state and local officials so that those entities don't get notified

about what this beintelligence knows what is russia is doing to mess with our elections to reelect trump. that's a great way to keep america a nice, soft target for whatever russia is doing this time to get him elected. don't say anything about what we know they are doing. don't alert the cops just let it out. that's what the whistle blower is blowing the whistle on right now today and among all these other stuff. the former homeland security joins us next. ys. what about that? uhh, yep! it can? yeah, even that! i would very much like to see that. me too. introducing tide power pods. one up the toughest stains with 50% more cleaning power than liquid detergent. any further questions?

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2020 also included the impeachment trial of an american president. the heart of the trump

impeachment was an explosive whistleblower's complaint. it was the housing intelligence committee that announced to subpoena for that whistleblower's complaint on september 13th, 2019, about two weeks went by and they got the complaint. but, that complaint are learning of the existence of it and seeing the substance of it that was how the impeachment began and the president was impeached. they put him on trial and the senate, all republican senators voted except for one. today almost a year after we learned of the first whistleblower's complaint that lead to the president's impeachment. today we got word of this news that seems to be moving even faster this headline "the washington post," the whistleblower accusing trump appointees of down playing russian

interference and white supremacy, excuse me, i said washington post but it is the cnn headline among other allegations, murphy says he was told by higher ups and mid-may to seize providing intelligence activities. both times murphy said he objected and ultimately he was removed from his job as ahead of intelligence homeland security and he was demoted that demotion, retaliation, that he's complaining about is the

basis for legal action that'll go forward around this complaint now. the intelligence committee is going great guns on this along with the complaint which was dated yesterday and they published today. the committee posted a letter of testimonies from brian murphy, september 21st at 10:00 a.m. joining us now is jeh johnson, served under president obama, secretary johnson, it is as pleasure to see you and thanks for making the time to be here >> thank you for having me, rachel >> the way that i describe this reporting, i read the report and the reporting at cnn and other major networks i want to ask you, is there anything important that you think is being left out or i may be looking at it the wrong way >> i think it is important rachel that we see this as a

larger and disturbing picture. as you alluded that the intelligence and director of dhs is responsible for what you referred to vertical information sharing between the federal government and state and local governments. when it comes to the election space that means information and intelligence sharing with state election officials because it is state officials who run our elections in this country including our national elections and what is disturbing to me about this latest report is that it seems to be part of a larger pattern of trying to put the lid on information and intelligence that i believe the american people absolutely need to know as well as their state election officials. we know from reporting from odni and publicly the dni directed his intelligence community to stop holding hearings and stop talking to congressional oversight and why that is so

important is because this is an ongoing information operations directed at the american people and the american people have the right to know what is being done to try to get into our heads and influence our votes and how we think about the candidates more disturbing rachel is a report from late july, this is one that got through that says in addition to the information, our adversaries also seek to compromise our election infrastructure and we continue to monitor cyber actors trying to gain access to u.s. state and federal networks including those responsible for managing elections and so all the lights on the dashboard should be blinking red right now at the same time this administration wants to put a lid on and getting the right information out to the american people >> and let me get specific about that, too. i hear you absolutely and very

clearly in terms of the american people knowing this and being aware of it. are these types of intelligence report as you say directed towards other law enforcement agencies and local officials and election officials, are they design to help us harden ourselves as a target against this sort of thing it is one thing for the public to be aware and particularly when it is disinformation operations targeting us as members of the public but when it is targeting about voter registration set ups and voter tabulation set ups and those things, presumably this is the sort of thing that designs to make us fight against these operations and not just know about them >> absolutely. dhs and the fbi should be notifying state election officials about exactly what the nature of this effort is to get into election infrastructure that this one public report is telling us about it is vital because as you know

the way our national elections are decided, they are decided in precious states by swing voters in those states and so this election is going to be decided in a few crucial precincts and you talk about tv and the writer of the tv show "house of cards" figured this out so it would not be that hard to for the russians to figure oit out >> zwjeh johnson, thank you ver much for talking to us. i feel we have officials filing whistleblower's complaints and former officials such as yourself in a position to know say all the alarms are blinking red and we are trying to make sense of it all and what feels like such a big mess

thank you for being here >> thank you >> one more thing of the whistleblower and the white house intelligence committee calling for his testimony later this month we spoke with the attorney who toll us whether brian murphy does end up testifying in front of congress, including whether the homeland security department where he still works allow him to show up and talk. this is very much a live issue stay tuned, we'll be right back. every feeling. a product of mastery. lease the 2020 es 350 for $359 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. experience amazing start your day with secret. secret stops sweat 3x more than ordinary antiperspirants. with secret, you're unstoppable. no sweat! try it and love it or get your money back.

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before the 4th of july, the republican governor noem announ announced we'll not be requiring to wear a mask and definitely do

not have to social distance at trump's rallies. the motorcycle rally has been linked to hundreds of new coronavirus cases. cases in south douakota doubled. the rally alone led to astonishing number of new covid infection. christie noem defended under her leadership saying that south dakota will not listen to an elite class so-called experts. the state went ahead with the state fair, no coronavirus rules for that gathering either. now, as a few days ago, south dakota has the highest number of

covid-19 cases in the country. south dakota leader refused to take orders to stop the spread where does this crazy denialism comes from it comes from the top. the real world consequences of this stuff these reports and the recording telling woodward wildly different things than he was telling the public it is not just a political story of a president saying one thing. this is a president saying things publicly that we now know he knew to be untrue things that have deadly real world consequences here is what he was saying in an

interview with woodward all the way back on february 7th >> it goes through air, it is tougher than touching. the air you just breathe the air and that's how it is passed. that's a very tricky one and ad a delegate one it is deadly than your strenuous flu. this is more deadly. this is 5% verses 1% and less than 1% so this is deadly stuff. >> this is deadly stuff, a recorded interview with bob woodward on february 7th acknowledging the coronavirus way more deadly than the flu quote "this is deadly stuff.

that same month in public, he used the example of the flu to tell the american people the exact opposite story that coronavirus is far less dangerous than the flu >> i want you to understand that shocked me when i saw it and i spoke with dr. fauci about this zi and i was really amazed. the flu in our country kills from 25,000 people to 69,000 people a year. that was shocking to me. and so far if you look at what we have with the 15 people and they're recovering and one is pretty sick but hopefully will recover but the others are in great shape. think of the 25,000 to 69,000 over the last ten years we have lost 360,000

these are people who have died from the flu >> president trump in february, right? we have only 15 coronavirus cases. this is so much less serious than the flu the next day was this. >> it is going to disappear. one day it is like a miracle it will disappear >> a couple weeks later he's back on the phone with bob woodward not only talking more about how covid is super serious but admitting to woodward that he likes to play down its seriousness in public. >> now it is turning out it is not just old people. it is today and yesterday of some startling facts. i want to always play it down. i still lake ike to play it dow because i don't want to create a panic. >> i want to play it down and always play it down.

>> that was march. now we know that in april he was saying to bob woodward it is a horrible thing and it is easily trans missable that you would not believe it he's riding that and making fun of people wearing masks. try learning of something worse of a way a leader dealt with coronavirus. this is the worst thing you can imagine. not being confused of being too dense to understand the reality of it but getting it and deliberately lying, not only about how serious it is but how much risk they are at getting it it is not only the news here but it is the tape of him admitting it boy, do i want to play that down you can easily get this thing. this is the part of the tv

series but the president is resigning. he's running for reelection on the strength of his record the final week will be apparently in part about just how many american lives the president of the united states sacrificed by choosing to play down a threat he knew was far, far worse. >> on the day that we hit 190,000 dead in the united states because of covid-19, we just learned from "the washington post," bob woodward, that he admitted on tape in february that he knew about covid-19 that it passed through the air and how deadly it was, much deadlier than the flu he knew but purposely played it down and he lied to the american people he knowingly and lied to the country for months

he had the information, he knew how dangerous it was n he failed to do his job on purpose. it was a life and death betrayal of the american people experts say if he acted just one week sooner, 36,000 people would have been saved. if he acted back in march 54,000 lives would have been spared in march and april alone >> he failed to do his job on purpose. a life and death betrayal of the american people. that's what president trump's opponent for the presidency had to say about president trump's alk al actions here thousands and thousands of americans dead they did not have to die had the president admits he knew is that what public health experts think as well? hold that thought.

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joining us now is dr. carlos del rio. it is a real honor to have you with us tonight. thanks for taking some time fob he be here. >> happy to be here. >> this audio, we can hear the president telling woodward privately, you just breathe the air, that's how it is passed and it is delicate and it is deadly stuff and deadlier than a flu. i always wanted to play it down. meanwhile publicly he was saying that it would disappear and 99% of cases are harmless and it is going to fade away in your view is somebody that knows these things well. do you believe lives would have been saved if the president public rhetoric started february

7th had matched what he explained understanding, could a lot of lives poertentially be sav sav saved? >> it is about leadership in our country. we are number one of the world we are about a quarter of the cases globally we have a lot of people and 100,000 people died from this disease. we have not had a national strategy the president has had outstanding advise from dr. fauci and dr. burke. he chose not to communicate that and down played it we all have consequences >> when you hear the president's remarks and keeping in mind of the time frame, early february

and mid-march when he was talking about his own understanding through his briefings that this is a trans missable virus that you can get it through breathing it is not just the old and it is also young people who are at risk and this is much more serious than the flu when you hear him, it is a world away from what he was saying in public, do you believe he understood privately, he was privately articulating what was true and know about the virus at that time. >> i think without a doubt they were regular briefings. there were briefings from the task force i am sure he heard the information and i am sure he was explained. he understands the information what he choose to communicate is a different story. i have no doubt that the information conveyed to him by the experts was real and what you are saying as experts knew

back then. that's when we were shocked when we hear the president saying something that does not make sense. having spoken to dr. fauci, he was getting the advise >> e-mails without much health expertise and trying to muzzle dr. fauci and telling dr. fauci to stop recommending kids should not be wearing masks and fewer tests done for people who don't have covid symptoms and fauci's team have pushed back and nobody has been able to tell him what he can or can't say. clearly these e-mails are evidence that there has been an

effort to steer even these public health leaders you are describing away from the public health message they believe that the public needs to hear does it surprise you to hear about that errreporting or know that's going to happen >> it is not surprising. i can tell you that nobody saw this in dr. fauci. if i can think about one person spoken the truth is him. he has managed to find a way to speak the truth whether it is through the press conference or when he was not able to do a conference, he would do a webcast. he has done all he can and we all should be proud and happy that we have him in that position he could have easily said i have no time. he's doing what he's doing and continuing to push because he believes the signs and he believes in public health and his goal is to safe lives and

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that's going to do it for us tonight. i will see you tomorrow night when my guest will be peter strzok that's an interview that you will want to see now it is time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnel >> good evening rachel do you find yourself capable of ranking the enormity of the different revelations of the bob