night. the rachel maddow show starts now. >> good evening my friend, thank you for joining us. i know it is not 2016 right now because there is covid and tens of millions of americans unemployed. over 800,000 americans applying for unemployment again this week which beats the worse record backseat in the great depression. even that number is seen as good news right now. we have more than 20 straight weeks of more than a million people claiming for unemployment. i know it is not 2016. the economy is a catastrophe which is not true in 2016 and schools can't open and there is

not enough n-95 masks. this is from 2016 because in 2016 i didn't know what an n-95 masks was. like most americans i didn't need to know that. if you go by the news today, it kind of feels like it is. it kind of feels like the run-up to the presidential election and what went wrong in that election in terms of a a foreign adversary trying to rig our presidential election for one particular candidate. today's news makes it feel like 2016 all over again but worse. sanctions are announced against three russians. rudy giuliani has been meeting with this pro-russian ukrainian

guy. mr. rudy giuliani has been funneling information from this guy. public warnings from a career counter intelligence chief about this guy apparently did not make a dense in any of that either from republicans or congress. the treasury actually sanctioned that guy along with three russian officials, spelling out who he is and what he's doing. >> derkach has been an agent for a decade. that's the treasury sanctioning him today. again here is the president's

lawyer. trump reportedly said he wants to put him on the u.s. supreme cou court. here he is meeting with that russian agent. meeting with him repeatedly. according to the nate intelligence committee. in 2016 it was the president's campaign chairman, paul manafort who was working closely in that election. while russia -- it is his personal lawyer, rudy giuliani. again, working closely while russia is again messing with our election to keep trump in the white house. it is not just that russia wants to do this or russia wants to do this again.

it is that point that you are getting a lot of help and those closest to the president. there is more. russian hackers have targeted 200 groups tied to u.s. elections. in addition to political consultants and state and national parties, its recent target included advocacies and state and national parties. >> the hackers relied on spear fishing and attack that voinvols another person, to steal log-in potential and it deploy force

attacks. microsoft detected these eattacs from china and iran. microsoft says it took time for the firm to tie this activity to russia. the russian hackers had become savvier this time running their operations through a thousand different i.p. addresses.

here is "the new york times." the intelligence unit attacked the dnc four years ago is back with a series of new hurussian hackers. the finding comes one day after a whistleblower. press intelligence concerning russia's election interference because it made the president look bad. microsoft did find that chinese and iranian hackers have been active. an assessment released tha that -- chinese hackers have attacked private e-mail accounts of biden's campaign staff

members. microsoft investigation also included hackers related to gau. the unit that saw the hack in 2016 that made clinton's e-mail public. so far microsoft says they found no evidence that the hacking effort has been successful. here we go again, right? except this time we are not blindsided, right? we know what this is and what they are doing and why.

this time we can recognize it instead of being surprised and bewildered by it. this time instead of the obama administration in charge while this is happening, trying to get their heads around this problem and trying to combat it. this time is not the obama administration trying to protect us. this time mattis the trump administration while this is all happening again in a much higher pitch. when the russian government attacked the 2016 election, you will remember four years ago that the top u.s. intelligence officials at the time leading the effort to recognize and respond to the attack was the director of central intelligence is john brennan. what happened to him since?

the president announced he would be stripping john brennan's security clearance. the president demands that john brennan be locked up and prosecuted for something. the top leadership at the fbi at the time of the russia attack in 2016. the top leadership that was there for the start of the investigation into what russia was doing but the trdirector an the deputy director who became the akicting director. the president demanding they would be locked up and prosecuted and jailed. same goes for the top fbi agent on the russia investigation. the top counter intelligence agent at the fbi.

not only fired from the fbi and publiclyvil threatened. he's been regularly threaten by execution by the president. he calls him a traitor. the conservative media have roared right alongside the president. it is all the other officials who were involved in senior lead er ship roles. it was the fbi director and counter intelligence agents and the fbi general council and the top experts on russian fbi crimes. that's how it worked out for the people who were trying to

protect the country and figure out what was going on. this time four years ago. the russians are working overtime to install a trump presidency. to not that we just recognize russia is doing it again. how have we changed as a country since then? to our advantage, we never looked for it. we know what they did last time or not surprised. to our discipline, look at what this president and his supporters and particularly conservative media and congress have done and try to protect us the last time it happens. how is it going to affect how we are dealing with it or fighting it or not this time.

the president says he wanted to execute for treason. he grapples directly with this unsettling question in his new book. here is what he says. "every fbi agent and analyst i know is steadfastly dead kaddic the constitution of the united states. trump brought his weight to bear against efforts of the fbi and the u.s. intelligence community to combat malign foreign influence on our elections. he has continued in public and private to solicit foreign appearan interference. the president lying about those of us who handled the last investigation, ask yourself this question and do so. take this to heart. ask yourself this question.

if you were an fbi agent today, would you be looking to stick your neck out to show what russia did in 2016 with trump's explosive encouragement. peter strzok says i know dieespe the fear, agents and analys analysts -- i can only imagine how different their work may be in a different environment. that's from peter strzok's new book which is called "compromised." i know that i have talked about a bunch of books on the show which is kind of not like me. the reason that we talk aboed n bunch of books on the show because everybody who has something that the public needs to know, everybody is basically getting it all off their chest

at the same time and so we have had this really important books. yes, here on the show i have talked with the president's niece, mary trump. what she had to share about what she knows about the president. we hosted the first lady's formal best friend, she helps run the presidential inaugural. >> we talked to mike smith, that trump's appointee may not succeeded. just two nights ago, i spoke with the president lawyer and fixer who told us among other thing that is the president told him. more than $50 million trump made on an otherwise in ex pprofit.

donald trump said that $50 million was made by him was from president vladimir putin. >> this is what i am waiting for. early 2016, fortly the inaugurati inauguration. the top sbep jens filed into a small room. the room is at the corner of the counter intelligence office.

all the names in the white board belong to people in the trump administration are connected to it. all had something in common. we have received counter intelligence intensity each individual. we have opened an investigation into some of them. we grapple with a troubling question. none of us could anticipated in our wildest imagination. whether to open a case against the president himself. over the course of the prooeevi years of the presidential campaign, concerns of the counter intelligence division of trump and his advisors grown steadily. in late december 2016 the director of in national

intelligence -- vladimir putin and the russian government were interfering the system to help trump get elected. the knowledge that they had something in reserve to use against us in the next presidential election in 2020 only made the atmosphere in the conference room that much tenser. for many months before this moment, i have been in another delicate case, since august 2015, i had supervised the investigation into whether hillary clinton had mishandled classified e-mail during her tenure. i sat with the core group with

the team to review our findings. i asked members of any threads that may change our fundamental understanding of the case. then i ask them one by one whether they are comfortable with the decision. the answer is unanimous and unequivocal. we have done a complete investigation and the facts did not support charges over the e-mail. trump was a different matter. what the bureau knew about the cases was far different. the public knew the fbi investigated clinton. in the bureau, few people were aware of our investigation into russian interference. if the american people had known what we did at the time of the election, they would have been appalled. of course we the public did not know at the time of the 2016

election because the fbi kept the investigation completely secret from the public and even most people from the bureau. peter strzok concedes in this remarkable new book that in so doing it was not just the russians but also the fbi that pushed the needle towards trump winning in the 2016 elections. he notes it with great regret. he also from a unique perspective laments the incredible fire power that was brought to bear on the clinton e-mail in terms o f the size of that investigation, the resource devoted to it. while simultaneously this huge disaster was unfolding around the other campaign. we get some remarkable and new details on that. the chairman was in close

contact as someone identified as an intelligence officer throughout his time running the trump campaign. this is something that i have followed closely. peter strzok gave us information that we did not haves before. this is on page 128. it tells you why someone like me is excited to see this book. as we made our way back to the embassy, we had no way of knowing it was precisely the same moment, 3,500 miles across the atlantic, two trump officials, paul manafort and rick gates were on their way to the grand havana room. kilimnik just flown into the u.s. days before turning to

mouse cow. there is few reasons for kilimnik's interests in that data. it is far too much details. it would provide a boom to someone wanting to know where key voting blocks were. someone like russian government intelligence officers who were beginning to place advertisements and targeted post in u.s. social media. >> knowing where to aim the effort and the issues appear to spring voters. that's what the trump campaign was secretly giving to a russian intelligence officer in 2016 and lying about it. peter strzok is a lightning rod. he wrote personal text messages during the 2016 campaign that were leaked to the press.

trump winning the presidency and to be complete about it now, it is fair to know that strzok also said things like i am not going to swear here but i am going to reference some swear words here. he said things, things he said about donald trump, quote "ft cheati cheating mother f'ing, i think they are the worse. you name it. i am glad i am on team usa. >> fair enough. strzok's texts were made public in the middle of everybody getting indicted in the russian sha investigation. some of his texts were critical. i should tell you that his texts are critical in proving and

snarky towards hillary clinton and bernie sanders and towards loretta lynch and eric holder and a lot of other people and not to mention his swearing repeated tyrann. the only active political figure who express their feelings about it is john kasich. >> jury present general found that his personal views did not affect any of his work. >> before his troubles. and, along with everybody else at the highest gefl wlevels. peter strzok served in the 101

airborne. and 22 years as agent in the united states. boy, does he know what actually happened the last time the russians did this to us in 2016? and per this book "compromise," he said the bottom line is twofo twofold. >> number one, yes, this is why this book is called compromise. the president of the united states is compromised by russia. strzok makes the case over the 400 pages that russia has leverage over him that causes him to act in russia's interests. number two, russia is back doing it again to reinstall him as

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joining us now for an interview, i have been looking forward to literally for months is peter strzok. his new book is called "compromised." thank you so much for being here. you can be anywhere, i appreciate you being here. >> rachel, thank you so much for having me >> i have talked a lot about you. i have never had the chance to talk to you before. i see part of what's important

about your story is that you were in a very, very key leadership role at the russia investigation. when i look back at that time i see you and almost all the other people who were in senior leadership roles at the outside of that investigation, fired or attacked or threatened with prosecution. do you see it that way? do you feel like you are in an unfortunate group that has been targeted by the president? >> i sure do. i look around the magnificent group of folks that we have, all the way to those investing and managing it. certainly at the top of the organization is not a coincidence that so many people were fired or resigned. it is remarkable that everybody who was there at the time is now gone >> do you think that materially

affects our expectations as citizens as to what the fbi and the intelligence committee is able to do or feel strong or brave enough to do as russia attack our elections again. are you worry of the example of you and your colleagues is going to fight back this time? >> the fbi employees that i know, they are fearless and they are strong. they'll go out there day in and day out and do their job to get to the bottom of what's going on, intelligence or crimes or whatever case they may have. lo looking at the same, all these cases had no basis and facts. represented in an unprecedented attack in the presidency.

things that are apparently wrong. there is no way that can have a chilling impact on the people who are working beneath that man. i think the bureau is holding and i think it is serving independence and the regulations are to the rules of law. i am deeply concerned of what's going to happen with another four year of a trump presidency. >> because you mentioned william barr, i have to ask something that's not a focus of the book but caught my eye. the attorney general, jeff sessions, might have committed forgery during his hearing and lying on the trump campaign with russian officials. the implications or the worry there is that while perjury investigation, perjury charges

against sessions and even 2016 or 2017 before we got to the bill barr area, the justice department is not capable of making that kind of judgment, pursuing that kind of a case of somebody at the top of its own department. >> that was as concern. attorney sessions recused himself in the investigation. you have to put yourselves in our position at the time. we had a president coming in who had concerns of his relationship with the government of russia. we had a senior foreign policy that we had concerns of his connection with russia. not only we were concerning but as we began to confront them, one after another began to lie. in that context, the attorney

general failure to tell the truth about his contact with russia were deeply concerning when you look at it across this tableau activity. >> if it turns out attorney general william barr is doing something in cahoots with the president. that's improper and i am speaking hypothetical here. law enforcement know what's going on. >> do you have faith that is our government as it stands right now could correct for that and hold the attorney general to investigate him or pursue him for those things if he did put himself on the wrong side of the law. >> i don't know what he is or is not doing with the white house. i think it is fair and accurate

to say that he's engaged in a series of behavior that's politicizing the department of justice. both things that are going on right now is the prosecution of flynn and sensing of roger stone and others. i know there are men and women within the fbi who would not toll participate an influence like that. if push comes to shove, i am confident they would speak out rather than submit to that grave but proper sort of action. >> i am hearten and amazed by your optimism given what you have done through and your people. i know that's hard earned. >> let me ask you about the central these of compromise. the book is called "compromise." you state bluntly that you think it is a fair assumption that

president trump has been compromised or is compromised by the government of russia. >> it is the most logical explanation for his actions and policies which koecounter to th national interests. do you see it as financial leverage or unknown sources of leverage or things are known and classified but you can't discuss them? >> it is financial in nature. i recruited spies and investigations or fore 20 years. what makes somebody decide to work for you and what you can use to get them to work for you varies. on the one end, the most severe, somebody who knows they are

working for an sbintelligence services. it is really bad but it is really rare. on the other end of the spectrum, there are people who have no idea whether they are working for the united states or foreign government. i think trump falls in the middle. i think the places he has exposure. please places where russia can play over him. many of those are classified. >> some of those things point to financial co -- we know michael toen was pursuing a deal for a trump tower in moscow. the moment she says that, he knows he's lying. so to maintain that lie, to prevent being embarrassed, that givers russia or anybody else

rev laj ov leverage over trump. if you look at the way trump is filing. it is clear that there is material in there that he does not want to know. >> to get that information, he's trying to get hidden. that gives you enormous leverage over him. i think that's what's the nature of the things that compromised him. >> i have infinite questions to ask you. we'll take a quick break here. we'll be right back from my guest, peter strzok. his new book is called "compromised:counter intelligence in the threat of donald trump." we'll be right back. ack.

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we are back with peter strzok. he spent decades with the fbi. his new book is called "compromised." >> you were talking about financial leverage, you are concerned of financial ties. there is this remarkable spread of page 270 and 271. i marked it up to a point where it is not legible. the hiring that you helped the mueller team do to work with the mueller investigation including forensic accountants and people who are experts tracking crimes with russian oligarchs and at ta at -- there has been recent reporting from michael schmidt

at "the new york times" that followed the money sbunter intelligence of the president's tie to russia did not happen. what have you set up did not come to flugs. does that in part to our understanding? >> i don't know what happened after i haefrleft. >> i know way he structure the teams are focused on criminal violation of particular individuals, attorneys and all kinds of analysts working on that. >> there was always shotgun said that, we needed todd do a broader intelligence with a intersect look. we all had to agree that the fbi

personnel on this team that i was leading then we would do the counter intelligence. which would include the president. that's a really difficult thing to do. i was struggling up until the day i left to figure out how to do it. that was ridiculous hard. to do something that broad, what's a probably one of the biggest counter intelligence investigation in the fbi's history. that may be going on now with the full resources and nobody is hurt from it. which is good. people should not have heard about it. what i worry about is that given the way trump responded to all these attempts to get information particularly about his finances, had people begun to try to do that, we would have

hurt it publicly. he could have screaming or kicking. it did not happen. these leads were getting back to the fbi and constituted the ci work. and this robust work didn't happen. i don't know that. it may be well going on. i expected to hear more about it if that were the case. >> you mengtioned the senator's report. that was not a follow-the-money investigation. >> i share your suspicion or your worries at least that it may be that nobody has done it. one of the things that intelligence committee did say bluntly is that the trump campaign manafort was

regulating, did manafort though that kilimnik was a russian intelligence officer when he was giving him all of this internal stuff, all these strategically sensitive stuff. >> whether he knew or not, he's a savvy enough man and having traveled the world. he knew somehow that information could make its way. that's an sprinteresting point. >> kilimnik was in alignment of how the motor report describes him. >> and much more certain description, i don't know what caused that change and what additional intelligence may come to light. i did know that report was signed off by every single republican in the committee. if there is any doubt about

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opening but also myselffying is he had been the head of the intelligence agency. he must have known that the russian ambassadors calls would be monitored and that you would know what was actually said on those calls. and yet he repeatedly lied to you about what he said on those calls. do you think that he was lying knowingly to cover up for somebody else? do you know why he was lying? do you have any insight into what happened there given how weirdly this has gone in the month since? >> well, that's the key question we had. it wasn't so much why general flynn wasn't telling us the truth. it was whether or not he was doing that because of somebody, particularly the president, having told him or directed him to do that. we now know that prior to our being -- prior to our interview with him, he had spoken to the president who told him to kill the story that was in "the washington post" column talking about these conversations. he had had a conversation with

his deputy about them. so this wasn't a surprise when we walked in. i can't explain why he didn't tell us the truth. obviously he pled guilty to not one but two different judges. i don't understand why now the department of justice is seeking to withdraw this plea. i'm glad that the court is going to get to the bottom of it, get an explanation of what's going on with the various conflicting filings. but our concern was always and remains not so much about general flynn and that call but why he did it and specifically whether or not there are others in the white house, including specifically the president, who had asked him or otherwise directed him or influenced him to have that conversation. >> because the president talked about general flynn today and because his cases become such a cause celeb and such a source of anger, a touch point on the right, i have to ask about what

you write about in the book regarding briefing the gang of eight. so briefing the congressional leaders and from the intelligence committees in both houses on these investigations. you write the gang of eight were briefed on what we were doing within minutes of the appointment of special counsel and previously about investigations of page, manafort, papadopoulos and flynn. did the republicans complain? because they have made it seem like it was an absolute disgrace you opened that in the first place. did they object when you told them when you opened them? >> not at all. look, it was the acting director as well as the acting ag rod rosenstein. but no one at that meeting, not senator mcconnell, the senator majority leader, and not paul ryan, not the chairman of the house intel committee devin nunes. nobody objected. nobody said he had insufficient

predication. nobody said we should not move forward. every question they had they asked and was answered and they were satisfied or if they weren't, they certainly didn't object. to i would argue that to the extent people have concerns, they first need to look at the republican leadership of the house. and the senate, obviously. >> the book is called "compromised: counter intelligence and the threat of donald j. trump." mr. strzok, i am honored to have you here tonight. i am sorry for what you have gone through. i am moved for your faith in your colleagues given what you have been through. thank you for what you have done. >> thank you. it was great to be here. all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. ht back. stay with us >> tech: at safelite, we're committed to taking care of you

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that is going to do it for us tonight. and that, basically, concludes this run of bombshell books that we have featured on this show over the last couple of weeks. i'm sure there will be another in the future, but we have a couple of weeks of bombshell after bombshell in these books. i'm grateful again for peter strzok. that does it for us tonight. see you again tomorrow. now it is time for "the last word" can lawrence o'donnell. >> thank you for another compelling episode of book talk with rachel maddow. >> the last one. >> there is so many things i w