it's been quite a week. i happen to thank you for ending it right here on the beat with ari melber. you can find me on facebook or instagram @arimelber. right now it's the read out with joy reid. 19 years ago today planes crashed into the world trade center towers. the pentagon, and into a field in pennsylvania. 2,977 americans died on this day. and six months now into a global pandemic the names of those dead normally read aloud were instead heard on an audio recording.

vice president joe biden who paused campaigning for the day visited the 9/11 memorial where he and the current vice president had a rare moment of unity dpreeting each other, and their wives did the same. donald trump marked the occasion but continued his day largely as if it were business as usual. now, as we grieve the lost souls of 9/11 we continue to grapple with the devastating impact of the covid-19 pandemic. to date 193,000 americans have died the anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks and pandemics remind us there are moments when presidents are called upon to lead this nation through trying times.

some have done it better than others, and at this time the current president, donald trump, has by every conceivable measure been an utter failure, full stop, with it comes to protecting americans and leading during times of crisis. now, this week we learned that trump admitted to playing down the threat of the virus even though he knew it was deadly. as we were learning about that a new whistle-blower revealed to congress that he was urged to manipulate foreign intelligence reports to conform with trump's political agenda. which has now triggered investigations in both the house and the republican led senate. and the explosive news that a top prosecutor working on the probe investigating the investigation into donald trump, his campaign and his ties to russia has resigned. partly out of concern that the team is being pressed by the attorney general to deliver a report before the november election for nakedly partisan

political reasons. the department of justice confirmed that federal prosecutor norra danahay, a top aide to u.s. attorney general john durham as quietly resigned. they would not say why. durham was tasked by attorney general barr in may of last year to examine the origins of the russia investigation, because trump demanded such an investigation. if this new report is true, this is yet another deeply disturbing example in a long line of examples of how far barr is willing to go to bend the wheel of the justice system away from justice and toward donald trump. for more i'm joined by elizabeth newman, former assistant secretary for threat prevention and security policy at the department of homeland security in the trump administration who resigned after she could no longer support the president. glen kirschner, former federal prosecutor, and in a moment i'll be speaking with dr. ezekiel emmanuel, vice provost of global initiatives at the university of pennsylvania and a former obama white house policy advisor.

but, glen, i want to go to you first. this story that just broke today about ms. danahay she joined the attorneys office in 1991 and served for a long time. he informed her colleagues in new york on thursday evening by e-mail she was going to resign, and her colleagues said she's not a supporter of donald trump, but she's been concerned she believed there was pressure coming from bill barr to produce these results. it's pretty clear why donald trump would want that. how significant is it that someone was willing to step up and resign, and are you concerned that at this point the justice system has been so gutted and turned so political that it's no longer effectively a department of justice? >> yeah, it's bill barr's department of injustice, but we're going to get it back beginning in january. but here is my take on the da

danahay resignation. if she's working and standing up to something that's going to come to fruition it seems she has a darn good reason. and it sure seems that something is reported that bill barr is pushing the durham team to issue an interim report before one is ready there are two enormous problems with what bill barr is doing, joy. the first is prosecutors don't issue reports. it's not what we do. i was a federal prosecutor for 30 years and i never once issued a report. i indicted cases in the grand jury, and if the grand jury indicted somebody we could release publicly the indictment. that's it. i know our frame of reference is a little bit skewed because we say, well, mueller released a report but mueller was special council. he was investigating contacts between the trump campaign and he wasn't acting as a traditional prosecutor. here's the other thing, joy. the attorney general should be

doing one thing and one thing only. he should be telling the durham team in the event you are about to return an indictment, issue a report or make any public statement, don't do it because the department of justice guidelines, traditions and norms say you do not say anything within 60 days of an election that could impact public opinion. so it looks like bill barr is doing the exact opposite of what everybody who worked at the justice department knows he should be doing. >> and, you know, you have this coming at a time when you've got a former federal judge who was brought in to argue against the termination of michael flynn's trial, said that barr's request to drop the case -- he called it corrupt and politically motivated favor, unworthy of our justice system. so barr is intervening all over the place. you've also got this new whistle-blower information that,

you know, intelligence is being manipulated as well. but just really quickly to stay with you for a second,glen, on this second piece about william barr because it does feel like he's trying to create, a quote, october prize to help donald trump in the election. >> yeah, what i would say to everybody, joy, is brace yourself for whatever barr is about to say about durham's work because what we know is that a federal court judge he was not once, not twice but thrice -- a word i don't often use -- appointed by republican presidents, judge reggie moulton spun the mueller report and bill barr lacks candor. those are quotes from judge reggie walton. you know whatever he's doing he'll step to the cameras or microphone and lead the american people, mischaracterize anything durham happened to find, so i think we should all brace for

that. and be prepared to disbelieve bill barr. >> yeah, and elizabeth, i'm sure you can relate to the position ms. dana hphe was in. you were in a position we're also hearing whistle blowers saying they're manipulating intelligence. are you concerned, this is the anniversary of 9/11. if intelligence can't be trusted for the maintenance of doest ammic security we're in trouble. are you concerned we can no longer trust the domestic intelligence that's coming out because it's now being politically manipulated? >> i'm extremely concerned if the accusations are true. it is a blatant violation of law, of all of the norms we

practice. it is not something i have first-hand knowledge of. i did not see that happen in the three years that i served. but it's consistent, right? it's consistent with what we have seen the last 6 to 8 months -- we saw the intelligence community stop briefing congress in person, and they're just giving them written reports because they don't want to get to questions that might lead to a briefer having to acknowledge that russia is the greater threat as compared to china and iran in election interference. i do want to say one thing that the intelligence reports referenced in that whistle-blower report are products out of our intelligence analysis agency that go to our state and local partners. and i don't want to say those aren't important. they are, but the real work of securing our elections is coming out of our cyber security agency called sissa, and that work is

going very, very well. there good men and women in the intelligence community, in the cyber security agency that are working around the clock sense 2016 to try to make sure we are protected this year so the 2020 campaign would be secure. and there is good news coming from those agencies that they're doing a good job. >> i think hopefully you'll understand why some of our skeptical because, you know, i'm still old enough to remember dick cheney bullying our intelligence agencies to try to get cooked books, you know, a pretext to go to war in iraq, and he was successful at that. and that bullying can wear in on these agencies even with great professionals there. you know, when the administration is pulling pressure they're saying we're the client and this is what we want, people give in. and i think for good reason. you know, with that dick cheney-esque situation is now seen in the president of the united states again. it's like a rerun.

but i want to play you a piece of very strange video. this is donald trump speaking with donald trump and janine piro. it's weird, but i want you to listen to it and i have a question for you. >> what are you going to do -- let's say there are threats. they say they're going to threaten riots if they lose on election night assuming we get a winner on election night. what are you going to do? >> we'll put them down very quickly if they do that. we have the right to do that. we have the power to do that if we want. >> it sounds like he's making threats to the public, violent sounding threats coming from the head of the executive branch of government. your thoughts, elizabeth. >> you know, i would normally say oh, he's just bluffing but we saw what happened at lafayette square. we saw what happened in portland where you had federal lauchw

enforcement officers go into a city without permission of state and local government. and many lawyers they read that as a violation of law and a violation of the constitution. so i am concerned that he's even considering that because it sends a message to his political hacks and in places like the department of justice and in the department of homeland security to come up with these plans. and i hope that cooler heads will prevail, that there are still a few adults left in the room to advise you can't do that. now, we should empower and encourage our state and local law enforcement officials, governors and mayors to be prepared if there's civil unrest. there is a lot of tension in our country. it is a very real possibility that we could see civil unrest. and if policing is done correctly it can hopefully prevent any violence breaking out. but we do not need to use the insurrection act on the night of the election. that is horrible, horrible

precedent to set. >> yeah, indeed. let me bring in dr. ezekiel emmanuel, because there's this other threat, the thing people are really afraid of. they're not afraid of black lives matter. they're afraid of covid but for good reason. i want to play for you dr. anthony fauci, the one person most people trust when it comes to this pandemic. he spoke to our andrea mitchell about this concept trump is turning out. here's what he said. >> you said it was time to hunker down because the fall and winter is, quote, not going to be easy. the president says we've rounded the final turn. how do you square those two message snz. >> well, you know, i'm sorry, but i have to disagree with that. because if you look at the thing that you just mentioned, the statistics, andrea, they are disturbing. you know, we're plateauing at around 40,000 cases a day, and the deaths are around 1,000.

>> i mean, he also said that we're probably looking at a time line of having something like a normal life not until the end of 2021 potentially. maybe we're talking about an entire additional lost year. what do you make of that disconnect between the president of the united states and his own top advisor on the pandemic? >> oh, there's someone looking at the facts and telling you the facts, and tony fauci is 100% right. if you look, yesterday we had 38,000 new cases of coronavirus infection, and we had 915 deaths. that is not anything to be proud of. we should be down under 10,000 new cases a day, and we need to see the number of deaths going down. just to put that in context every week we have two 9/11s. we have roughly 7,000 people dying every week. that's twice the number of

people who died in 9/11. i have been saying since march we won't get out of this, we won't have a chance of returning to normalcy until november 2021. you just play out people needing two doses, production, distribution, you're not getting there until the end of the year. so nothing tony fauci said departs from the facts one iota. it's the president who has a total fantasy. i mean, he is just in his own world which bears no relationship to reality. >> very quickly, dr. emmanuel, is there something joe biden could do to move that time line-up should he become president? >> well, he can do it effectively if we have a vaccine distributed effectively, get the people who know how to solve problems, understand logistics, understand where the potential

bottlenecks are to distribute a vaccine and get the country ready. i mean, the truth of the matter is, joy, that really you needed to start in march thinking about this problem, getting enough glass vials, getting enough fill finish capacity, getting enough syringes and needles and making sure we have enough people to vaccinate 300 million americans. that's a tall order. that's a major management problem, and there's though evidence this president has gotten his arms around it. and every piece of evidence that he's ill-prepared and made the country ever more precarious. >> yeah. meanwhile he's out there bragging about getting along great with the taliban who are the ones who were getting the bounties from the russians to kill our troops. and he still hasn't said anything about that either. yep, 9/11 anniversary. thank you so much, elizabeth intoman, glenn kirschner and dr. evehiclial manuel.

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making any news today. i'm not going to be talking about anything other than 9/11. we took all the advertising down. it's a solemn day and that's how we celebrate these people. it's a solemn day. we'll get back to the campaign tomorrow. >> today joe biden took a pause from his campaign to honor those who perished on 9/11. and joining me now is careen je jeanpierre. let's talk about this and it's great to see you and i know you guys have been very busy. we've seen all of these stepping off of the plane including in those chuck taylors. you've got to send me that clip.

i don't know how i missed that. you have this incredible contrast, right, between former vice president biden and senator harris really taking this thing seriously and taking this situation seriously, you know, that we're seeing not just the solemty of 9/11 but this covid crisis. this is what senator harris said and this was on thursday in miami. >> in february, in january he had all this information yet he held rallies. he suggested that to wear a mack is a sign of weakness as opposed to a sign of strength. >> i'm curious in a state like florida which is a state that swings, such a swingy state, is there senator hearing from, is the campaign hearing from people who say, oh, my god, you know, i

feel misled personally? >> well, let me step back for a second and just talk about the woodward book for a second and talk about the revelation of what we learned and the tapes. look, it's exactly what joe biden had made clear, which is he knew -- the president of the united states knew. donald trump knew that this virus was deadly. he knew that this virus was airborne. he knew that, you know, this was worse than the flu, the virus was worse than the flu. and yet day after day after day he lied to the american public. he lied about a virus that was killing our families, our friends, our neighbors. he lied about a virus that was devastating our economy. i mean, this is disqualifying, joy. and here's the thing about this, and you're asking me what people are saying out there, what voters are saying. but, here's the thing, what he is saying. this is not fake news. this is not conspiracy theories.

this is not anonymous sources. these are the words of the president of the united states who lied after knowing exactly how deadly coronavirus was. and he still hasn't done anything. joy, yesterday more than 1,000 people died of coronavirus. what has donald trump done the last 24 hours to stop this crisis? he's done absolutely nothing. so if you look at the next 50 days this is what joe biden and kamala harris are going to do. they are going to make sure that they put the contrast between donald trump and themselves and make sure they send that message to the american people. and that's what we have to do. we have just a little bit more than 50 days, and we have to make clear to the american people -- people in this country are suffering, and we see that day after day after day. and so that's what our campaign is talking about. how do we really lean-in and

show our leadership, show that contrast, and what is it we're going to do for the american people on day one? and that's what joe biden and kamala harris are talking about. >> the terrific producer who put this segment together pointed out that there is a plan, that i know the campaign is rolling out. it's sort of a cabinet in waiting on the coronavirus pandemic with major figures from the obama, clinton, bush administrations for a plan to distribute vaccines and personal protective gear to ramp up testing and addressing health care disparities. so that is an important piece of it. but to get there, to get in there also has to be a victory in november. for instance, is the campaign going to use donald trump's words from what he said to bob woodward? are we going to see ads with his voice in them coming from the campaign? >> yeah, we've been very i think clear about going up on-air using ads, making that contrast,

being really clear, using donald trump's own words because i think it's important for the american public to continue to hear that from him and making that contrast as i just said. look, you started off this segment talking about how donald trump has attacked kamala harris and his team has attacked joe biden. here's the thing we have to remember, joy. joe biden is everything donald trump is not. about leadership, he understands the value of empathy, the value of honor, the value of truth. and that is the contrast that we have to keep showing. and if you think about it as you were saying all of the attacks on joe biden and kamala harris do not stick. they don't stick. the lies don't stick. so now as you were saying as well they're attacking kamala harris. guess what? that's not going to stick either because she is everything that donald trump is not. she is someone that has fought for the people her entire life. and so this is what we're going

to continue to do. we're going to continue have her back. we're going to continue to have the american peoples back, and we're going to continue to go out there and earn -- earn every vote. and that's what you've been seeing from this campaign especially since the convention with the ticket of biden and harris. >> well, i think if there's a such thing as pop concern stops they're going to go way, way up with these debates between senator harris and mike pence and of course joe biden versus donald trump. buy your pop concern it stops now. get them while they're cheap. coming up next oregon governor kate brown joins me on the devastating wildfires ravaging her state, and the radio silence from the white house about this disaster. the reid out continues after this. disaster. the reid out continues after this but you're not because you have e*trade which isn't complicated. their tools make trading quicker and simpler

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among the stew of crises afflicting the country right now one hasn't gotten a lot of the public attention from donald trump. the unprecedented and deadly wildfires raging cross the west that have consumed millions of acres in california, oregon and washington. california firefighters continue to battle one just north of sacramento that is now the largest wildfire in state history. millions of americans living amid the state's 29 major wildfires have been living under the eerie orange and blood red skies there.

millions meanwhile in oregon the fires have scorched more than 1 million ache, twice the states average for an entire year. the number of people ordered to evacuate statewide because of fires rose to an estimated 500,000, more than 10% of oregon's population. and scientists are already sounding the alarm loudly about the link between fires and climate change and warning the unprecedented fires is a sign of what's yet to come. yesterday donald trump approved emergency disaster funding for oregon, a day after governor kate brown made a formal request. but he's remained conspicuously silent in his public comments or tweets about the fires that have devastated the west including bearing down on the suburbs of portland, a city trump has had lots of scaremongering thoughts about in recent weeks. and joining me now is oregon's governor kate brown. governor brown, first of all, all of our thoughts are with your state today. and it is a reckoning. this is climate change in real life.

tell us what's happening on the ground and what kind of help, if any, are you getting from donald trump other than telling you to sweep the forest floors? >> there's absolutely no question this is an unprecedented fire storm. we had incredible winds on top of extremely difficult fire conditions on top of a landscape that's seen 30 years of drought. so obviously the table was set via climate change in this state and the pacific northwest. just to give you a perspective, we've had over a million acres burn in the last four days. that is double the yearly average. it is extremely challenging for our firefighters. fires are moving at a very difficult speed, and our goal right now is simply to save lives and save property where possible. >> yeah. and what would need to change in terms of the federal -- the

federal action on climate change, there's been none obviously over the past 4 years, but what could we be doing going forward to try to make this less likely to happen in your view? >> there's absolutely no question that climate change is impacting our lives and our livelihoods in the west, although the united states and all over the world i took action via executive order to continue the work to reduce carbon emissions in this state to engage the increase of renewable energy and to impact oregonians action to reduce climate change. that action i took several months ago, but i do think this is going to take a collective effort. it's going to take our local government, our state government and our federal government all working together. otherwise this is going to become the new norm. >> yeah. i mean, and i hate to keep

bringing up the president, but i mean he's been tweeting a lot about portland. he's been tweeting a lot about portland and trying to make it sound like quote-unquote portland was on fire because of black lives matter. but now those fires literally are bearing down on portland. and i wonder if you have received robust help from the trump administration. he isn't tweeting about portland anymore, not about the fires. we've seen the governor of california come out and be very praiseful of the president, which apparently is the only way you can get help from him if you're in a state, particularly a blue state. have you gotten the kind of help you need from the federal government, from his administration? >> the president approved our request for emergency declaration last night at about 6:00 oregon time. we have asked for additional resources including additional national guard troops, including the department of defense active military battalion that are trained in fire fighting. my focus, our firefighters are

on the ground. my focus is to make sure that they have the tool and the people power that they need. i am expecting federal resources to arrive over the next few days. >> we've also heard some reports from douglas county sheriff's office that people are sending in fake antifa threats and clogging up 911 with that. is that still a problem? >> i believe that situation has been resolved. as law enforcement said, that information was absolutely false. and we encourage oregonians, frankly americans to get accurate information on local emergencies through their county local emergency website. >> yeah, indeed. excellent advice. oregon governor kate brown, god bless y'all. good luck out there. thank you so much for being here tonight. and till ahead to understand what donald trump is truly capable of you need only look at

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quality public schools make a better california for all of us. just stick with us. don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. just remember what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> welcome back. well, the year may be 2020 but in donald trump's america we could be living in george orwell's 1984. trump callathize media fake news and then lies profusely about everything. he calls anonymous sources made up even though he was literally notorious for being one himself, even using phony aliases when talking to reporters. this week after we heard trump's own voice record by bob woodward trump has tried to tell us what we heard him say was somehow fake. >> and i was very open whether

it's to woodward or anybody else, it's just another political hit job. >> joining me now is tony schwartz, coauthor of trump's "the art of the deal." and tony is out with a new audible original called "dealing with the devil, my mother, trump and me." and i've read it and it's quite good. you write in this book, quote, more than anyone i've ever met trump has the ability to convince himself whatever he was saying atgy given moment was true or sort of true or ought to be true. lying was second nature to him, just one more way to gain advantage. facts were whatever he deemed them to be on any given day, challenged or simply double down on whatever e he claimed. this feels especially relevant now that donald trump is lit ra literally trying to say is fake news what we heard him in recordings to bob woodward. what do you make of that? >> it's more of the same from trump, and i think the power of woodward book is woodward

because he's such an iconic reporter. but what we learn about trump from the book itself is something we've known all along. you can't unless you were hiding under a rock you knew that trump was a man who either was in delusion, which would explain why he was saying something that wasn't true or in grandiosity where he had lost touch with the truth. and he swings between these. and right now i would say he's more in delusion than grandiosity because there's nothing to be grandiose about right now. his presidency is in almost as mortal danger as the country itself is. >> yeah, it's hard to imagine being a bigger failure. another clip in here i thought was particularly coherent for this today or cogent for today. you write trump's insecurity felt palpable to me.

this is when you interviewed him before your first book. he was the equivalent of a balloon with a tiny pinprick in it. all day he leaked self-esteem and he kept trying to blow back up his leaky balloon with achievements real and imagined. the more time i spent with trump the more despair i felt of having taken on the book in the first place. essentially, did you come to believe after dealing with him and with all of your experience as a reporter, which is what we learn in this book, of all the different characters you dealt with and interviewed and even your own family that donald trump's core problem is that he feels unworthy and insecure? is that what the core is here? >> you know, joy, i think that's actually the core problem for most human beings. how many people feel good about it, and how many people are insecure? it's so vast. and i think trump was -- had a

brutal father and he had a negligent mother. and i can relate to that because i had a brutal mother and a negligent father. and to prove myself in the world as a substitute for what i wasn't feeling at home in terms of love and appreciation was vast. trump's was even vaster. he just -- he is -- and i know it's hard to feel any sympathy or compassion for him, and i'm not suggesting that given the damage he's caused. but we need to understand that he is the product of his childhood. there is no question about that. >> yeah. i want to play a montage for you. because it is the 19th anniversary of 9/11 let me just play it very quickly. >> is there a muslim problem in the world? >> absolutely, absolutely. i don't know of swedish people

knocking down the world trade center. i watched when the world trade center came tumbling down. and i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. i was down there, and i watched our police and our firemen down on 711, down at the world trade center. everyone who helped clear the rubble, and i was there and i watched and i helped a little bit. i was down there also, but i'm not considering myself a first responder, but i was down there. i spent a lot of time down there with you. >> all lies. what kind of a man lies about 9/11? >> you know, it's interesting. i with great regret and shame is part of creating the myth of trump before there really was a trump. but trump came out of that experience of "the art of the deal" and has spent the

subsequent 30, 35 years inventing a version of himself that he wished he could be. it was a fantasy. he is the ultimate example of fake news. i came out of that ashamed, and my attitude toward the truth was it had the power to set me free. that if i was willing to really reckon with what had prompted me to do that book and with who i could become -- if i could accept all of who i am, both the good and the bad, that i would no longer have so much -- spend so much energy defending myself and would be free to add value in the world. that never happened to trump because he kept himself so far from anything true. >> tony schwartz, my friend, congratulations on the book. it's called "dealing the devil,

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in 2018, in two very big elections in the south, two black kand lates, stacey abrams of georgia and andrew gill lum of florida were both defeated by razor thin margins. and for gull limb who was seen as the biggest rising star in florida politics in decades, the aftermath led him down a dark path, then ultimately to rehab and therapy. tamron hall sat down with him in his first interview after the night he was found intoxicated on the fl of a miami beach hotel room. two other men were in the room, one suspected of having overdosed. >> when that photo came out, i didn't recognize the person on the floor. that was not anything more than a person being at their most

vulnerable state, unconscious, having been given no consent and someone decided to use a moment where i was literally lying in my own vomit. >> joining me now is emmy award winning talk show host and my friend tamron hall. tamron, it is so great to see you. thank you so much for being here tonight. i cannot wait to see this interview. i know andrew. he is a wonderful person. i think everyone in florida who knew him knows that. but what happened is so shocking to everyone. you interviewed him. you called this interview heart-breaking. why? >> it's heart-breaking because i interviewed not only andrew but his wife. at one point in time she sat alone with me revealing things that he didn't even know. listen, we call this a fall from grace and we have seen this

many, many times. but andrew's story is one of the most compelling i have heard. i didn't want anybody to know. i didn't want it to be compromised. he comes to me with his full, raw and honest story. you have known me. you have known me for a decade. you know when i ask a question, i expect an answer and he gives me the answer i think is respectful, and i also think that he is looking for the grace that we so often give others but black men don't see. so he comes at this at many an angle, and he admits -- in fact, his wife called him reckless what he did that night. but i think it is one of the most compelling interviews that i have ever done. >> and, you know, does he disclose how he wound up in that situation? are these people he knew? that's what people are so curious about. how could someone so prominent wind up on that floor?

>> i think that's what's compelling. you know instagram filters. people go through 90 filters to prevent the life people want to see. andrew would say he got trapped in that as well if he had disclosed things about his life, would he have been the first black person on the edge of becoming the governor of florida? we use these titles and descriptors of people to disqualify them. i'm actually giving you far more because we are friends. but i assure you that he comes with his full story. his wife also is not lost in this. she said to me i want to own my story. she reads and sees what people are saying on social media. so this is not about an apology tour. this is not about victimization. this is not about me doing a favor for a friend because he is not my friend contrary to

everyone thinks that we all know each other. i know you. i know i am capable of ask a solid question and he answered those. >> yeah. and i guess the big question is because he has such raw political talent, does he feel like he could come back? is this the first step of him stepping back into the political arena. >> you know, politics is like tv. whoever thought i would be on msnbc. i knew you'd be the host of a 7:00 p.m. show because you bring it all. and, yes, i rehearsed that line. you know me. but i think that for him it's in the cards as to how he handles it. stranger things have happened in politics. but the onus is on him and the voters of florida. can he present himself in the way he believes is his destiny if that is the case. obviously i don't know. i think it is a siren call that

he wants to answer, but he has so many other things, so many serious things like rehab, like amending his relationship with his wife, like being the father to his three children that are far more important in my opinion than a political one. we will see. again, i can't say enough. it's just incredible. >> i cannot wait to see this interview. tamron hall, the show is fantastic. tamron hall's interview with andrew gill lum airs on monday on the tamron hall show. >> congratulations to you. i could not be more proud of you joy reid. you are amazing. >> thank you. thank you. thank you, my friend. have a great weekend. thank you, my friend have a great weekend when the world gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. with fidelity wealth management,

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