wildfires across western states. the neighborhoods gone in minutes. half a dozen towns decimated. leaving a toxic haze in the air. >> the air we're breathing right now is equal to smoking 20 packs of cigarettes. it is profound. the health impact. stroke, heart attack, respiratory issues. this is a challenging time. that it is. a new timeline from dr. fauci on when the country would get back to normalacy. and just 52 days to go until election day and concerns about absentee ballots. good morning. it is 7:00 eastern time. 4:00 a.m. out west. it is saturday, september 12th. i'm kendis gibson. we have breaking news. the battle for control of the fire season that is one for the historic books.

large fires are raging in the states of california, oregon and washington. looks at the map from the national wildfire coordination group. it gives you an idea of how many fires are burning on the west coast right now. the bobcat fire which it is called in the los angeles national forest started on sunday. it has grown to 26,000 acres and 6% contained. the north complex fire is 250,000 acres and 23% contained. oregon officials calling it a mass fatality incident. 36 fires have burned through a million acres so far with 500,000 people evacuated or waiting evacuation orders. washington state officials say ten large fires that burned through 600,000 acres this week. 80% of the small town of mauldin

was destroyed. the governor blaming climate change. >> we talk about this as a wildfire. i think we have to start thinking more of climate fires. they are climate fires because that's what creates conditions that make them explosive. >> there is a sustainable problem. that is climate change. it's a climate emergency. this is what everyone predicted. this is what all the experts have been saying for decades. >> in a few moments, i'll take you live to california where a wildfire has been burning three weeks and now threatening thousands of moments. the latest from there moments away. with 52 days left until the election, the trump campaign is heading out west. the nevada rallies were shutdown after local officials said they violated coronavirus restrictions in the state. we have josh lederman live at the white house.

josh, what is the campaign planning to do now? >> reporter: the plan for the campaign swing, kendis, involves the president holding an event not in reno, but an airport 45 miles south of there. the tahoe airport and the los angeles suburbs with two events tomorrow. a big focus for the president on the trip. hispanic voters. he has two different events with hispanics. this comes as recent polling has been showing that contrary to a lot of political observers, president trump is doing better with hispanics than he would have expected while joe biden has actually been under performing with seniors. we saw that in a series of recent polls in florida and other states that have large numbers of hispanic voters. the trump campaign is hoping to increase their numbers at least a little bit with hispanic voters. particularly in nevada. a state the president did not win four years ago, but got very

close coming within 27,000 votes. the trump campaign hoping if they could give nevada it would give them more of a buffer in other places if the president ends up losing a state or two that he won four years ago. >> josh, in the meantime, what are we supposed to make of what is happening in qatar right now? the secretary of state mike pompeo, these are pictures that came in during the overnight hours, is sitting in on historic peace talks with the afghan government and taliban. what do we know? >> reporter: this is certainly histor historic. we never have had before direct talks between the afghan government and the taliban. the taliban have considered the afghan government to be a puppet government and illegitimate and extension of the united states and refused to sit down with them to talk peace. now that's happening as a result of the deal the u.s. struck that paved the way that involves the u.s. committing to a phased

withdraw of the u.s. troops. we have the two sides sitting down with mike pompeo for the initial session. then the talks will continue directly between the afghan government on the taliban. and we heard in the last few minutes, kendis, from the u.s. envoy for the afghan talks. he is saying that if everything goes well, by april of next year, we could actually have a full withdrawal of u.s. troops and end to the war? afghanistan. the longest running war. he said the events in doha were 20 years in the making. >> it could be over by next april. josh, thanks to you. joe biden, on the other hand, is not expected on the in-person campaign trail today. he spent yesterday at 9/11 memorial events in new york and pennsylvania. we have depa joining us now.

depa, i know biden had a busy day with 9/11 events. you see the outreach that president trump is reaching out to the hispanic community. that is a weakness for the biden campaign and polling. what are they doing? >> reporter: a great question, kendis. today we are seeing silence from joe biden. no public campaign events. like you said a, yesterday was busy day for joe biden and kamala harris. he made a point he would not make news. he would not make it a political day. it is about remembering the lives lost 19 years ago. he was suspending his campaign yesterday making sure there were no political ads or politics on air. listen to what he told reporters. s>> i'm not going to be making

news today. i'm not going to talk about anything other than 9/11. we took all our advertising down. a solemn day. that's how we're going to keep it. okay? you can determine whether i make news. i'm not holding press conferences. solemn day. we took our advertising down. we'll get back to campaigning tomorrow. >> reporter: you see, kendis, a pause on the campaign trail yesterday. talking to hispanic voters is something that the ticket is doing today. kamala harris will hold a virtual event with latino small business owners in arizona. a state that has a large latino population. it is interesting because it is the first time that either kamala harris or joe biden is holding a campaign event in that state. neither of them in the presidential races during the primary visited arizona on the ground. today we will see that outreach for the first time. targeting the latino community is something the biden campaign

needs to pick up on. they hope kamala harris is someone who championed a lot of the issueses like daca for a long time and they hope that comes from her outreach. kendis. >> i met with some democratic donors and confident that the state can be burned blue. d er deepa, thank you. joining me is susan del percio and morgan chalfant. welcome to both of you. good morning. susan, i want to start with you on this. this west coast swing that the president is taking. trump is trying to look west to eye new possibilities of keeping the white house. do you get a sense this is an act of desperation?

>> i would not say it is an act of desperation. it is an act to find another path for the presidency or re-election for the president. it looks like michigan and wisconsin and probably pennsylvania and may be closed off to the president. he is looking at the recent poll seeing he is doing well with hispanics in florida, but he may be misreading the poll. that is where the venezuelan and cuban population is located. if you go out west, the hispanic population is out there. the word socialism does not apply like it does with the cuban and venezuelan-americans. the trump campaign needs more paths. they are limited. it makes sense going after nevada given he lost it by less than 1% i believe. arizona, he's got to keep arizona. that is something that may be

right for biden. >> if he does lose arizona, the path is very, very diminishing for him. morgan, to you. that rally that we're talking about. two rallies that the trump campaign planned in nevada and put together after nevada canceled the trump rallies. set for las vegas and reno had crowd size restrictions. it is difficult to campaign during covid and all. do you get a sense and anticipate that trump campaign moving forward? >> i think it is possible. depends on the state, certainly, that he is targeting with the rallies going forward. it has been a stark contrast with trump and biden. biden is focused on virtual events and smaller events. trump is going forward with the rallies. they moved them outside, but they are attracting large crowds. many people are not social

distancing or wearing masks. >> all right. let's talk about the bob woodward tapes. he will be on "60 minutes" tomorrow night reveals more tapes. the headline of what the president is vigorously defending right now is his coronavirus response following the release of the piece. here is what he told bob woodward versus what he told the rest of tus. >> it is more deadly than the flu. >> this is lis like a flu. >> this is more deadly. >> sometimes they just get the sniffles. >> this is deadly stuff. >> this is the new hoax. >> you breathe the air. that's how it's passed. so that's a tricky one. that's a delicate one. >> it's going to disappear. one day, it slickis like a mira >> it is not just old people,

bob. today and yesterday, some startling facts. >> young people are almost immune to the disease. the younger, the better. >> susan, he is saying in his defense he was trying not to create panic. do you get a sense that worked as a plausible excuse? >> no. he also had to say i did not lie. that is like saying i'm not a crook. that does not resonate well with the american public. there are his core believers who will stick with him. the interesting thing is i believe this will have a cumulative effect when you look at the books coming out. it is not just the few tapes we heard or the ones we will hear on sunday. it's the constant barrage of information coming out that we all know the president is a liar. we have seen the fact checking on it. it's what has he been lying about? now it is not russia.

now it is your family. now it is your job. now you know he could have done other things to prevent your loss. i think that will be a very damning message come november. >> some people are saying these tapes are worse than the nixon tapes during watergate. the washington post had analysis piece that points out that trump did not want to spark panic. here is what he said on the campaign trail. >> he wants to surrender our country to the vihig violent left-wingers. the left wants to get rid of me. >> oh, my god. i want my mommy after all that. i am scared. morgan, when he does that stuff

on the campaign trail and says all of these things, is it only hurting his case when he's like i'm trying to keep everything calm? >> i do think it undermines that case. he has been making this message over and over again on the campaign trail trying to incite fear and push forward the law and order message. it has been the key focus he had and also not focusing on the coronavirus on the campaign trail. besides defending his response to it and also painting a rosy picture of what his administration has done. >> morgan and susan, thank you, both. back to the breaking news from the west coast. those deadly wildfires raging across three states. california, oregon and washington. let's go live to hard hit california and nbc's erin mclaughlin from the town of

oroville. what is it like out there? >> reporter: kendis, after a week of historic fires, this is what much of california's wilderness looks like. acre after acre of scorched earth. with improved conditions, there's hope. firefighters may finally get the upper hand. overnight, blazing battles capping off a relentless week. 60 large fires across the west. in oregon, 500,000 under evacuation owns. towns decimated. dozens missing and feared dead. >> this is the baby's bed. >> reporter: the family lost their dream home and business. made it out alive. now searching for anything left. >> the wind changed and moved. >> reporter: as fires swept through the property, tony and wife robin raced home to save the children.

>> the cops tried to stop us. she was bent on getting home to the kids. >> i was trying to get them out. it was scary. >> reporter: here in california, 11 dead in the latest fires. including 77-year-old millicent. a record 3 million acres sco scorched. on friday, governor newsom toured the devastation. he spoke to nbc's miguel almaguer. saying the cause is clear. >> a climate emergency. this is what everyone predicted. this is what all the experts have been saying fordecades. >> reporter: this week, portland, san francisco and seattle clocking the worst air quality in the world. >> the air we're breathing right now is equal to 20 packs of

cigarettes. >> reporter: extremely toxic, but the firefighters say it could help cool things down. >> never enough resources at the time you need them or where you need them for something like this. >> reporter: as homeowners now cope with the thought of losing everything. >> the horror. horror. you don't know whether your home will be there when you get back. >> reporter: this morning, there is good news. temperatures are markedly cooler. winds have died down. firefighters are scrambling to seize this window of opportunity because the situation is still out of control. kendis. >> we'll take any good news we can get with the situation. just a remarkable situation and scene right there where you are in oroville. erin, thank you. in a moment, two things. dr. fauci said to andrea mitchell that probably won't please the president. for anyone with a child in

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we're back now with the latest on the covid-19 pandemic. the leading infectious disease expert with a warning. dr. fauci said the country would likely not return to normalcy until late 2021 at the least. at the same time the cdc study finds young children in day care can catch coronavirus and spread it to their parents and siblings. let's get the latest from kathy park. kathy, good morning. first to dr. fauci. what more is he saying? >> reporter: kendis, good morning. in an interview with andrea mitchell on friday, he outlined a timeline. he thinks a vaccine will be available end of this year or next year.

it will be the end of 2021 before we see any semblance of normalcy. the top infectious disease doctor is at odds with the president. >> you see what is happening. you see the numbers are plunging. >> reporter: dr. fauci publicly disputing the claims. >> i have to disagree with that. we are plateauing at 40,000 cases a day and the deaths are around 1,000. >> reporter: and issuing the warning. >> if you are talking about getting back to a degree of normality prior to covid, it will be well into 2021. maybe even toward the end of 2021. >> reporter: in response to the dr. fauci comments, the white house official told nbc news the president is making the point mortality rate is going down. case numbers are going down and we are in a better position now than the beginning of the pandemic with ppe and

therapeutics and vaccines. dr. fauci stopped to taped remarks made by the president in march to reporter bob woodward. >> i still like playing it down. >> yes. >> i don't want to create a panic. >> i can't comment any more on that. when you downplay something that say threat, that is not a good thing. >> reporter: while students head back to school, a study from the cdc found growing evidence children can spread covid if they are asymptomatic. traced to three day care facilities in utah. 12 children infected and passed to mothers and siblings. an 8 month old baby infected parents. with numbers in florida trending down, miami-dade can start in-person learning on monday. >> we had a difficult six months. it has been difficult for kids. >> reporter: and new york entered the 35th straight day

with infection rate below 1%. restaurants can now open at 25% capacity at the end of the month. a major turning point for the former epicenter of the nation. dr. fauci also expressed concerns over indoor dining. kmu communities should bring down to the lowest levels possible. and politico says communication aides interfered on the virus and made changes to align with the president's statements. kendis. >> controversial thing right there. thank you, kathy park. joining me now to breakdown what some of it means is dr. regina who is an emergency medicine physician and medical director at baylor college of medicine. dr. fauci saying also that the u.s. needs to hunker down for

the fall and winter and not under estimate the potential of the pandemic. what does hunker down mean? return to lockdown? >> to reiterate a famous quote from "game of thrones." winter is coming. we are deep in the throes of the pandemic and we don't have all of the tools to effectively fight. we have flu season coming up on top of that. this is a figurphysician's nigh. it is hard to distinguish between flu and covid-19. the potential to overwhelm the hospital is real. the united states absolutely needs to hunker down this fall and winter if we want to continue to fight the virus effectively. does that mean another lockdown is coming? i can't say. what we have seen so far is that the united states has been overwhelmingly reactionary in

response to the pandemic as opposed to precautionary. we react with a high number of daily cases or deaths or icu hospitalizations. we are not putting precautionary measures in place to prevent those things from occurring. >> when you see and hear those reports, including here in new york, museums reopening and indoor dining reopening at 25%. does it concern you? >> it does somewhat concern me. for months now, physicians and medical ex-pperts say to combat this is effective social distancin distancing. going to a restaurant is a means of social interaction. if you are not interacting with other people within the facility, you still have to interact with the people that work there. others patronizing the restrooms at the same time as you. you are not social distancing if

you visit restaurants and mus m museums. there will be a surge in cases. >> let me get your take on the timeline that dr. fauci pointed out where he said we have a year until things begin to feel normal again. do you agree with that timeline? >> it is hard to say exactly what the timeline is going to be. what i know is right now, the united states is still seeing at least 40,000 daily cases of covid-19. newly diagnosed cases. with our numbers that high, there is no telling when the pandemic will come to an end. no vaccine has been approved for use. there is no telling when a vaccine will be approved for use. without those measures in place, there is no telling when we get back to normal. >> thank you, dr. regina. i appreciate your time. the concerns about absentee ballots and a very important battleground state and how a third-part run could change everything. that's next. rt run could change everything

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we have new details this morning in the case against the four ex-police officers in the death of the george floyd. new documents show they may turn on each other as they prepare defense. gabe gutierrez explains. >> reporter: with protesters and heavy security outside the courthouse, the four fired minneapolis police officers charged in connection with george floyd's death. asking for separate trials. it is plausible all ovefficers have a different version of what

happened. derek chauvin is charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter. others charged with aiding and abetti abetting. >> if you do the crime, you do the time. why is it different for these guys? we will get justice. >> reporter: rookie officers t.j. lane and j. alexander kueng were following the lead of chauvin. they were simply assisting in an arrest in progress. chauvin's attorney has called his actions justifiable. in court filings, some attorneys highlighted the history of drug use as a factor in his death. >> the only overdose that killed george floyd was an overdose of the excessive force and racism by the minneapolis police department. >> reporter: as the hearing ended, protesters mobbed former

officer lane as he returned to his car. the ex-officers are not set to go to trial until at least next march. gabe gutierrez, nbc news. let's turn to the 2020 race. 52 days to go and election preparations in a key state have come to a halt. last-minute decision by the wisconsin supreme court will determine if the green party te ticket can appear on the ballot. joining me now is founder of the national protection action fund. don, good to see you. here is why this is important. in 2016, trump won that state by just under 23,000 votes. and the green party candidate jill stein received 30,000 votes or so. should people worry how this is playing out? >> absolutely. the president won by 23,000 votes. this is a matter for joe biden. green party clearly has something of a hold in wisconsin

to the extent that jill stein won -- excuse me. that received 30,000 votes. dr. hawkins and his running mate could be serious for joe biden. there are about 30,000 people or maybe more, going with the third-party alternative. you have a conservative supreme court in wisconsin and a lot of the decisions come down to partisan lines 4-3. this is the same supreme court that took away collective bargaining rights against teachers against governor scott walker as the time. we can see a partisan decision allowing the green party candidate who would take most votes away from joe biden and kamala harris. i don't see them taking any votes away from the current occupant of the white house whatsoever. you have to remember one of five states in which actual real republican operatives have been

working to get kanye west on the ballot. i think republicans nationwide see wisconsin as an opportunity for president trump and are doing everything they can to throw monkey wrenches in the plans in the state. >> here is another reason why the biden campaign should be concerned about wisconsin. look at the latest poll. that is within the margin of error. that would seem like a big giant red flag for the biden campaign if i was part of the team. >> it is. you also have to remember that there were about 30,000 to 40,000 mostly black p wisconswi voters shut out of the process in 2016 for various reasons. standing in line in racine and milwaukee. polling places and shutting down while waiting to vote.

s supression it baked in the process. anti-voter support and vote supressors have policy in place in states that create barriers to ballot box access, cycle in and cycle out. democrats in the exercise go through a voter registration and participation are already behind the 8-ball. you see that when it comes to polling that shows despite how you poorly this president has performed, you see he is well within the margin of error. suppression and cheating is baked into the process in wisconsin. you throw in a third-party candidate and it has serious implications for whether or not this president will succeed against an extraordinarily game challenge in joe biden and

kamala harris. >> we expected a lot of legal challenge and battles after the election with weeks leading up to it. this one is starting earlier. you have this pending decision that is providing really challenges right for officials in milwaukee. the milwaukee journal reporting that city clerks have printed 2.3 million absentee ballots without the green party ticket while this decision hangs in lim limbo. the state runs the risk of missing the deadline of mailing absentee balloted which have been requested. there is focus that is taking place about early voting. how much of a setback would it be in the race at this point to reprint the ballots by the end of next week? >> yeah. it is an extraordinary setback. it is fascinating to think that the conservative wing of american politics is the party of law and order until it comes to letting a third party on the

ballot when, in fact, dr. hawkins had a discrepancy and the logistics for the ballot application. now this is a disruptive candidate. they are the party of budget conservativism to reprint ballots and mail them out and create a nightmare that counties cannot afford and the state will have to step in and fill the budget gap. the party of budget and fiscal conservative is now trying to hold on to power. it is important we want everybody who is elg ebl igiblen for president and we want everybody to participate, but you have to do so according to the rulinges. the green party did not comply with the ballot requirements to get on. that is why this is an issue.

it is interesting to see the legal jujitsu and the tangles they get into. right now, everything is just in limbo and these 1,000 clerks don't know what to do. people don't know what to do. my advice to people receiving a mail-in ballot and it is several hundred thousand wisconsinians. when you receive that mail-in ballot, you need to drive it in and return it in person. that's the best way right now to make sure your vote is counted and counted timely. >> don with the advice right there. thank you. >> i love seeing you on a saturday. >> it is good to see congress member clyburn guiding you over your shoulder. absolutely. thank you. pigskin and precautions amid

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who came out. they felt they needed to come out. they come out every year. they said this year was going to be no different. take a listen to what they told me. >> we have a whole group with us. it's my mom here. jimmy's friends from college. my brother joe, who's a military veteran. so we all get together, every year. we do not miss it because we know he'd be disappointed. you know? and it doesn't matter, you know, how the names are read or whatever the security is. we're here. we're here to just remember him, every year. >> his brother was killed in tower 1 on that fateful day. this year, the names that are normally read were prerecorded, due to covid. but something that was the same was the tribute in lights, that you saw, from dusk until dawn. so that just -- those lights just barely recently turned off, candace. and the actual museum going inside, we are going to be able to go inside here in just a little bit. it opens to the public at 10:00 a.m. we are going to get a

sneak preview of what those precautions will look like and what people can expect coming back. >> cori coffin joining us from lower manhattan. thank you and thank you everybody for watching. i'm kendis gibson. i'll see you back here tomorrow. big day ahead. coming up next, ali velshi speaks to francis collins, the head of the nih, about the politicization of covid-19. and an on a.m. joy, jonathan capehart talks with rudy giuliani about the relationship with the russian sanctioned agent. giuliani on msnbc. okay. giuliani on msnbc. okay to lead the charge... good had to be amazing... and amazing had to become the expectation. the drivers feel it every time they get in. ♪ the power... ...has shifted.

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18 interviews. that's how many times trump spoke with journalist, bob woodward, for his new book. and the blow back from those remarkable interviews continues. 500,000 people under evacuation orders in oregon, as deadly wildfires continue to ravage that state, washington state, and california. and with just 52 days to the election, the hackers are back. how russia is targeting our democracy, and what china and iran are actually up to. "velshi" starts now. good morning. it is saturday, september the 12th. i'm ali velshi. we are 52 days away from election day. and it's been six months and one day since the global covid-19

pandemic was declared. about 195,000 americans are now dead from the disease. and about six and a half million have been infected. and both of those figures continue to climb at startling rates. schools around the country are back in session, a growing number of which are forced to remote learning again, due to new covid cases. at least six teachers have died from the disease since the school year started. including a 28-year-old third grade teacher and a 34-year-old special education teacher. and now, in a series of recorded interviews with "the washington post's" bob woodward, for his new book, president donald trump admitted, in realtime, as early as february, that he knew about the severity of covid-19 and what the country was about to face. and what did he do about it? he decided to lie to the american public, and do little to defend us from what he knew would come. >> it goes through air, bob. that's always tougher than the