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its goes through air, bob. that's always tougher than the touch. we're finding very little problem, very little problem. now, you treat this like the flu. this is more deadly. this is five per -- 5% versus 1%. >> because of all we've done, the risk to the american people remains very low. >> i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down. because i don't want to create a panic. >> when you downplay something, that is really a threat. that is not a good thing. >> hello, the president today

dealing with a massive fallout from the release of bob woodward's new week "rage." one of the many new unflattering portraits of the president dropping before the election. americans heard trump on audio tape admitting to downplaying the severity of the coronavirus. as the death toll nears 200,000, the president is not backing away from claiming victory over the virus. >> and we have achieved among the lowest case fatality rates anywhere of any country in the world. europe's excess mortality rate is 24% higher than the rate in the united states. >> but any attempts to compare the coronavirus response to the united states is a losing one look at their cases to ours since september. if europe, people are returning to normal, going back to school.

while here in the united states, cases are multiplying rapidly and life still feels a long way from normal. just when we need our public health organizations, the most, a new prort from politico show that trump administration is applying political pressure and attempting to influence the cdc findings. for more, i'd like to welcome our staff writer for the atlantic and an emergency medical physician and erin hayes editor in large at request the 19th." so erin, i want to hear from you. yesterday, we heard a little from president trump and from fauci. take a listen. >> i think the vaccine is going to come very soon. it will come very soon. and with it or without it, we're rounding the turn. you see what's happening, the numbers are plunging. >> i'm sorry. i have to disagree with that if you look at the thing you just mentioned, the statistics,

andrea, they are disturbing. you know, we're plateauing at around 40,000 cases a day and the deaths are around a thousand. >> erin, what do you think of the boldness of dr. fauci contradicting the president? >> well, i think that dr. fauci is stepping into a leadership void in politics in the midst of the 2020 election season where you know the campaign is taking precedence over the coronavirus for president trump. i mean, i think we know that political leadership matters in these cases. you have, as you mentioned, europe, which as the cases have gone back up there, reinstating restrictions, you know, to try to keep, you know, that surge from getting out of control encouraging people to wear masks again, encouraging social distancing. i mean, yes, the president as he

said, before even he has been downplaying this virus, he was misleading the american people at one point and dr. fauci has been trying to be a counterweight to that and is continuing to do so as we head into the fall as we expect to see, you know, return of the coronavirus and we don't know, you know, when we're going to have a vaccine, although, we see the president urging that to also happen possibly as soon as before the election. >> that's right. now, the white house is pushing back on dr. fauci. take a listen. >> oh. the president is making a point that our mortality rate is going down, case numbers are going down, we are in a better position now than at the beginning of the pandemic. as relates to ppe, therapeutics and vaccines. is this an accurate position? >> sure. we are better than when we knew nothing about this virus. we were mind when we started

first taking care of these cases. we didn't know how to protect ourselves or treat it at all. now we have some good data showing destroyeds can decrease mortality. we know masks work amongst the community members and in the hospital. we also see a decrease in mortality rates because we see patients as a slower rate and are able to take care of them as we are gathering evidence. none of it is rounding a curve. this is not almost over. despite the wishful thinking of the white house. >> i think one of the things that we have, robin, that is of concern, is that way back in february, the president already said that this was going to be deadlier than the flu and what i've had a hard time, basically, aligning is the fact that even during his knowledge of this, he basically stigmatized our best defense, which was mask wearing. can you speak a little to this and perhaps what we could have prevented had we had clear

instruction from the white house? . >> [ inaudible ] >> robin, i believe we actually have a technical difficulty. so i will go ahead and ask dr. cass what your take on that is. >> i think, what my take on that honestly is we have seen the evidence on the ground since day one. it's been very difficult to watch the messaging from the white house not be consistent with science, even the limited science we've had. i will tell you personally to watch the tape of a february or a january conversation with the evidence that he knew and he verbalized how dangerous this was and we didn't get a warning on the ground and then we had to watch patients literally suffocate in the hallway of our hospitals is a feeling i actually cannot put into words. >> erin, i think this proportionately impacts the covid crisis on black and brown communities has been decimated. the president has can yet to acknowledge it. in the book, woodward tries to

get the president to admit that he has privilege. instead, he said woodward has drank the cool aid and he has done more for black folks than any other president. speak to that. >> well, i mean, you saw this message during republican national convention. you know, in president trump's america, racism is a vestige of the past. it is not something that is with us today. there is no legacy, you know, from slavery and segregation and you know anybody who believes otherwise is simply wrong or, you know, they're the ones that are deluding themselves. you know, i think, you know, that is a theme that we're going to continue to see in the 50-ish days or so headed into the general election, just avoiding the reality that this is a poke that is disproportionately affecting black and brown americans, not just from a health perspective, from an

economic perspective. the president is not, you know, discussing what his plan is for helping, you know, american who's are suffering. we hit the six month mark yesterday since the world health organization declared this a pandemic. you know, whether millions of americans get sick from this virus or not, so many people, every american is really being impacted by this virus and without you know an adequate response, i this i the pandemic is coming to a sharper lease, especially for minority communities and that could make this political and something we could see showing up at the ballot box in november. >> as we enter flu season, there is also an expectation that dr. fauci pointed out, we will see more cases of covid ramping up. what can we expect now september, october and november? >> so i think we can expect to see a lot of changing data, more importantly changing guidance, to tell communities if your infection rates are going up or more importantly your testing is going down. remember the more people that

had respiratory virus and the flu, the more will test for coronavirus. people need to be kind to each other and humble and the idea that we will have an evolving landscape and listen to the scientists and the data, because we're going to have to really rise to the occasion of the country since our leadership seems to be naming us. >> erin, i want to talk to you specifically about what you mentioned that our answer mate lie in the ballot box. a lot of the trump rallies are individuals not wearing masks. one of the things that always touches me is the fact that it seems to be so much on racial lines. the folks that we find are essential workers are disproportionately black and brown. the loss of life you mention reasonable doubt disproportionately black and brown. the lallys are not black and brown. how do you think we can address a public health crisis through a lens not politicizeed that is something to protect your fellow neighbor? >> well, i think it's as a doctor was just saying, you know, we started this pandemic

with the mant ra, the motto, we're all in this together. right. but six months in, it does not feel like we are all in this together. there is a divide that does feel politicized. that does feel racial. you know, and there should be a message, you know, from political leadership that really binds us as americans and i am also struck by, you know, the fact that that six-month milestone came on 9/11 and i think all of us as americans can remember the sense of unity we felt in that moment. that sense of unity is what is missing in this country and it's certainly missing, you know, amid the pandemic. so, you know, that is a message that certainly has been contrasted by the biden-harris campaign they are certainly doing a lot of socially distanced campaigning to the extent that they are doing campaigning, wearing masks, trying to set an example. you know, these are the kind of things that you know do go along with that you seen that make a difference in some of the other countries in terms of how

political leadership can set an example for citizens to follow and feel they are unified in this effort to fight you know this invisible enemy. >> dr. kass, erin, you heard it from erin, wear a mask. up next, what voters say is a 2020 priority. plus, later on in the show, how president trump is trying to use potential supreme court nominees to excite his base. stick around. t nominees to excite his base. stick around people should feel proud about using paper and packaging. as a child, we learn that trees are good for the environment. it's renewable. so we can keep this beneficial cycle continuing on for generations to come.

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a record 32 million latinos are projected to be eligible to vote in november according to puig research center. about 40% of the eligible voters are between the ages of 18-to-35 according to census data. what is driving them to the polls in november? a new survey in telemundo reveals 82 percent of young latino voters say the recent

black lives matter mo tests are moteing them to vote. social inequity is the most important social issue for their generation according to survey. latino voters are now the largest non-white voter in the country. so how should campaigns work to reach them? now is an anchor for tell me hundred do and a senior writer for cnb doctor news.com and a bernie sanders officer for his campaign and he is author of how bernie sanders brought latinos into the revolution. suzanne, i want to start with you. you have done extensive work on the latino vote when we first met i want to say almost a decade ago. what are you seeing that is so different, perhaps, than when you started covering this issue. >> i think the biggest thing is this pathway just seeing there is attention to not just the

latino vote, but latino voters as individuals as from different countries, diane saystors, different time periods in the u.s. or where they were born. that sort of thing. i think that's one of the more interesting things of this election. >> so, i want to talk to you a little about the fact that the black lives matter movement was the one that was the leading issue in the poll that you just did with telemundo. we found something very similar and when we dug a little deeper, we discovered it was because of the issue of policing within the latino community. can you speak a little to that and to your findings? >> yes, absolutely. so as you just said, thank you for having me on. you just said at the beginning of this segment, more than 80% of the young latino voters believe social inequality is their biggest motivation to go out and vote november 3rd. it's not a surprise.

because three out of four latinos, young latinos, all their families, all their friends, say they were a target of a racial attack during past two years. half of them said they were asked to stop speaking spanish in public so that explains why social enequities and the social justice is so important to them and it's the main motivation for this young latino voters to go out and vote. >> chuck, i think one of the conversations we have about latinos around president trump that is under reported is the great anxiety that latinos feel being latino in america. peek to this in your experience and the work you do politically and is the biden campaign catching onto it? >> there an amazing amount of anxiety out there. latinos are over indexing in this coronavirus. our children are ten times more likely to catch it off the cdc study. we are more likely to be

essential workers. we have had the brunt of this disease in our community. now, we're expected to get everybody all riled up to vote. when you talk about these young la dino votetino voters. get your notepad is you just go ask them. what you have been doing your entire lifetime. you can't overcomplicate this. the problem is young latino voters fall outside a prime universe. they don't never get talked to. in the bernie book i talk about how we pent along this demographic. you can walk and chew time. literally go spend some money to ask them. >> one of the things when you talk to latino voters, they have an outside influence in their families. but i want to ask suzanne, are you right now in one of the

prime outbreaks of the latino community when it comes to covid out in texas. how is that impacting latino's participation? how are they thinking the government is addressing their issues or not? >> well, i think that's a great question to ask right now. i live very close to a mall. i just went by there today to check and see. and there are people, young people going out to the mall with their masks on. they are participating. but i also think that the enthusiasm that we saw in 2018 when we saw a big jump in young voters and a big jump in latino voters overall, that has got to be impacted by the pandemic. by people seeing their loved ones die. even my list of friends i'm starting to see grow of friends having relatives die. so you know that that has got to be having an impact on people trying to decide whether they should go out or not n. this state, you don't get mail-in ballots. you have to show up. and there is concern that's

registering in the polls among hispanics about wanting to go out to vote also of not knowing how to go about voting by mail if they want to do that. >> we did a study and found that 75% of latinos were concerned about voting under covid-19 and 59% of them had never voted by vote by mail and you are right, a lot of individual states actually leave vote by mail off the table for so many. julio, i want to ask more about the survey. what else did you find that was counterintuitive oftentimes of the way the main stream discusses latinos when it comes to in terms of elections? >> so, you know, we usually talk about the latino vote as a mon a lithic group and a group that doesn't really participate. but what we found in this poll that telemundo and boston news conducted is that 64% of these young latinos are really willing

to go out and vote. they say they will definitely go out and participate. in this is a group of people that do want to make change, are interested in the issues that are going on in the country right now. the thing is that when you ask them to name a politician that's defending their community, a third of them could not name one. 6% named joe biden. and 3% named president donald trump. so they want to participate. they want to find a leader. but right now, they aren't really finding the voice that they would like to hear. >> this is where, chuck, i want to bring in your expertise. i know for a fact that when we talk specifically to the latino community about the anxiety of policing. when we were connected protesting we saw in the streets to voting, we saw a over 27% increase, we were meeting them where they were, we were speaking to their truth. can you talk about they want to

participate but there is a complete disconnect it seems on national campaigns on how to reap them? >> i made my point in that initial statement. they don't know who you are you are not talking to them. i'm talking to the top ten super pacs they raised $500 million the three super pacs focused on the latinos raised a combined $5 million. the do nor committee says you have to invest in these young brown voters leak you are in the persuadable voters. this week, monday, my pac is going to drop 3 million pieces of mail to young and older latinos, because i'm so worried about connecting with them around the issues you are talking about. that's why we are dropping the most amount of mail in florida, north carolina and pennsylvania than any pac has ever done. i am so worried that joe biden

and his team are not doing it. i want to do it myself. >> i think one of the things we often talk about is what chuck is alluding to. in the last two elections, 49% of latino registered voters never received a contact from a political or a candidate. we know that the reason people are interested in the latino vote, though, is they are disproportionately young, oftentimes more aligned with progressive values. tell me about the opportunity you see in texas right now. because that is where the majority of young latinos actually reside. >> actually, last week i believe texas democrats had launched a program to reach a million people in one week who had not voted. who were not registered. so, clearly, there is a lot of opportunity and i think are you right. but at the same time, who ill we're feeling all this angst and people are being contacted, the national association of latino elect and appointed officials, their poll showed 78% of the

latinos they polled are certain they will vote. it wasn't a huge sample. but they're going to continue testing it and i think we are seeing people that are saying, i'm going to vote no matter what. they're feeling the angst. they are also feeling, i got to do something one way or another. whether it's, i want to make sure the economy gets better later or i want -- i don't like the way coronavirus was handled. i think we are still seeing people engage. the question is, will it reach the level in 2018 when we saw a good uptick of latinos. the projection is 14.6 million of the 32 million will show up. that's less than half that are eligible. there is a lot of opportunity out there to get more latinos. all are eligible and many are registered to get out and vote. >> julio, i want to leave you the last word. do you see more allieship between the african-american community and latino community based on the fact that so many

latinos are aligned with the black lives matter movement? >> i do. i absolutely do feel that a lot of latinos feel connected and feel sympathy for this movement. actually feel a part of it. because they bleed the same kind of problems and issues that are letting the african-american community eat every day. so i think there is an opportunity for both campaigns. yes, i just want to quote what chuck and lausanne just said, no one should assume the latino vote will come out and participate. they need to be engaged for them to be a part of the electoral process. >> keep sounding the i alarm. thank you for what you do. a whistle blower says they were told to downplay the threats and what they are saying about that today. stick around.

. two damaging reports out this week showing the president using his power to influence parts of the government at his will. first, the resignation of a top aid to the prosecutor involved in the investigation into the russia investigation stepped down as assistant to u.s. attorney john durham. it's unsure why she left. they say she was unsure about bill barr to deliver their results before the november election. we learned a whistleblower says the department of homeland security lied to congress and distorted information on russia interference in an attempt to match statements the president has made. the white house and dhs secretary denied these accusations. let's bring in julia ainsley and a national correspondent and nikkei editor at large and

author of "how to catch a russian spy." julian, i want to talk about your own experience when you were trying to make a report on dhs that said that there was basically only six individuals that had crossed the border where there had been a terrorist that had been profiled as terrorists and then the white house pushed back saying that was more like 4,000. can you talk more about that experience? >> so, right, this is all based on a report that we published in january of 2019. this was at the time the government was shut down and the trump administration wanted to make the argument that a government shutdown was worth it. because we needed a border wall, trump's border wall in order to keep out terrorists. so they wanted the number of terrorists crossing the border to be high and shock the american public with that number. at the time sarah huckabee said there was 4,000 terrorists crossing a year. nbc news got the correct data that border and customs found

out that number was more like six. six were on the known or suspected terrorism watch list. those people aren't convicted terrorists. their names were on the stop list in the first half of the fiscal year 2018. we put out that fact check and we published that in january. what they were coming forward and talking act is relevant because of the new whistle proceeder complaint that says inside dhs there were people who were silenced to get out the very data we published. what we are coming forward and saying now is at the time i published that story there was a spokes woman at dhs kate waldman, now she's married to steven miller the architect-of-all of these anti-immigration policies at the white house. she called me and talked to med and my editor and said you cannot run this story because it's within, it will be harmful to law enforcement. it will put people in danger. i went to former heads of the dhs and said, is that the case?

they said, no, that's not the case. then she calls me and says the numbers are wrong and if we did not detract the story, dhs will be putting out a statement saying this story is wrong i'm sure natasha can attest, journalists get nervous when somebody calls them and tell them their story was wrought. i had to go with the data in front of my face, it was supplied to congress by that very agency. so we stuck with our reporting and now we are coming forward and talking about the effort to try i to silence our reporting because of this whistleblower complaint that now shows that this effort wasn't just something that was going on between me and one spokesperson. this was not only a department wide by an administration wide effort to try to silence the actual numbers of people known or suspected terrorists crossing that border because the numbers were too low to support what the president needed to justify a government shutdown in order to build his wall. >> natasha, i start there

because i want to quote tom ridge basically saying that was not the intent that dhs was established, that every single american should be outraged at how this administration is using dhs for their own benefit. can you speak a little to this? >> yeah. i can definitely speak to the allegation the whistleblower made about the idea that the intel on russia was downplayed and told to be completely, basically ignored, intelligence about china and iran. that is in line with pretty much all of the reporting that we've done over the last year or so about the president's total reluctance to watch or engage with anything related to russia's interference in either the 2016 election or 2018 returns or now the 2020 election. we know that he fired a former acting director of national intelligence because one of his deputies briefed congress of the ongoing russia interference. we know the president made his

national security staff terrified of bringing up russia around him. so now we see kind of a concrete example and the whistleblower allegations need to be verified and they aren't going through the committees, who are investigating them. we see concrete examples put forward of this whistleblower of a suppression and politicization that we shouldn't be surprised by. because we have been seeing it in front of our eyes so long. apc news reported before this whistleblower complaint came out another report out of dhs of russia interference had been blocked because the under secretary chad wolf didn't want to make the president angry. so this is more of the president wanting dhs intelligence and dhs actions to fit his narrative, because he views it as an organization that is really key to pursuing his agenda. >> were these logs or policies broken simply to benefit the president of the united states or was there another intention?

>> well, i mean, if we're talking about dhs and just the concept of why it was created. it was created post-9/11. when i think of my training as a young intelligence officer, we learned everything about the misuse of intelligence to lead up to the iraq war. and so when i read the complaint and i sa you the conflation of ksds, known suspected terrorists with sia special interest aliens, look, the latter is a number that's much larger. and the administration tried to say sias are not terrorists are terrorists because it's a much more shocking number. it's exactly the same thing as the misuse of intelligence to justify, you know, the invasion of iraq and, of course, we shouldn't be surprised that the trump administration is misusing intelligence that they're unwilling to go after russia. when it comes to russia, the trump administration has come out and said china poses a larger counterintelligence threat. that's correct from a simple method of how much they collect,

how much they staechlt don't don't pose the same threat or to the election as our democracy. it's a misrepresentation of intelligence. lastly, the thing that strikes me is that when i talk to sources and people in the administration, there is a feeling very much like this is the fall of saigon. when i read that complaint, it's basically people turning on even other. the names that show up. koucachi th cuccinelli and wolf. it's when you think of the whistleblower i think of alex vindman or sally yates. i have to say part of this is self-serving. i think there are people in the administration who think there is a potential to get trump reelected and, frankly, looking to save their own hide. i think it's worth mentioning this is something that comes on the heels of the election, this is something also saying he was

a recipient of negative action. which, look, he has a right to counter that. it's also important to understand, you know, i don't know, i think of alex vindman, i think what he didn't have. how he sacrificed his career. and this ain't it. i want to point that out, we have to set a bar here. that as we get close to the election, there may very well be more people that will come out and say things, where were they two years ago? a year ago? frankly, it's a little self-serving for me. >> i want to talk about the threat of the russia investigation. you talked about how there is russia interference. i asked as speaker pelosi last weekend specifically on how the intelligence community no longer wants to brief congress behind closed doors. take a listen. >> he's making sure that the intelligence, you don't get intelligence briefings live. what does that signal to you? >> what it signals is that he's engaged in fright and fear as

usual and what we're saying to people is do not pay any attention to what he is saying. he wants to discredit your vote. so he's trying everything. russia manipulation, which he invites. undermining the postal system, which he encourages. misrepresenting the validity of vote by mail. it's a horrible situation that we find ourselves in. >> natasha, what do we lose with that in-person teleconference to congress? >> this is upsetting to democrats because in up with of the closed-door briefing also that they have had, it matters to the point where [ inaudible ] finally before the election with a specific goal of helping to reelect donald trump. that was something they had not said to that point publicly. with a lot of pressing, a lot of

questioning about the substance of the intelligence, they finally got him to say that. that kind of back and forth and raising both sides of the aisle, raising questions of the intelligence, asking probing questions to get a better sense of the broader threat and the bigger picture. that is lost when all you are getting is a piece of paper with information on it that the intel excellence community or the politically-appointed obviously director of national intelligence john ratcliffe wants congress to know. so if you are getting a piece of paper, reading it, it's obviously too deep. you can't engage in the way you would with someone who is there, who is briefing you. you can ask questions and go back and forth. again, it does have a real impact. i believe the pretty to that point to say that russia was interfering for trump. they may not have ultimately released that statement. >> thank you. next, we take a look at how parks and churches have become

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from houston, parks and churches becoming virtual learning spaces for kids to study remotely during this pandemic. we check in with parents dropping their kids off. >> i love it because here they can actually have somebody right there with them watching them. there is a teacher. so it's like a win-win. >> i work from home some days. i will go into my office some days. it just depending. i'm glad to have that flexibility, but i'm not at home every day so it's important that my daughter can go and feel safe and that she will still get the learning she is supposed to. >> i am beginning to think about kids and what the school does for them.

certainly, it's the place where they get an education. it's also the place where many of those kids eat. it's the place where many kids are referred for help service. especially for mental health service. it's the place where children who live in an environment that's not safe for them, it's their safe place to go. and i begin to think about our churches at that time and still mostly here in houston, they're closed so we have all this space. >> we said, well, what if the united methodist churches opened up and allowed students to come in and having a says and provide a loving and encouraging environment and we can kind of connect with the school district. it will be like a match made in heaven. >> this is more or less a safe environment for her to be around. it's time for me to be at home working since march, and if they

offer lunch, they offer stretch time, outside time so this is like perfect for the kids. >> the reason i cho es this option for my kids to go to church is i do not have the internet service plus the time schedule. so like i can't be with my kids and go to work at the same time. >> i think some of them would have quit their jobs. i this i they would have been out and hustled again looking for some more friends they can, you know, get their kids to stay with. it's just such a heart wrenching decision to have to make. and i'm sorry that some of them would have had to quit their jobs. because in this environment that we're in now, there aren't a lot of opportunities. so you got to hang on to what you got. >> priscilla thompson, thank you for your reporting. trump surprised us this week with a potential list of supreme court nominees. who would it motivate more?

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thanks for joining me right now. i want to talk to you specifically about tom cotton and ted cruz being on that short list. shortly after the president named that both of them said they would support roe vs. wade. they would overturn it. excuse me. is that unusual for a supreme court justice, potential nominees to actually say how they would act on the bench? >> absolutely. that is why i think this move by donald trump has the potential this time to backfire politically. in 2016 remember when he put out the short list he did it in the primary because there were so many misgivings among rank and file evangelical voters that were not sure whether they could trust donald trump when it came to abortion which is a key issue for them. it made sense in 2016 for him to put out this list. now though he is two months from the general election. this is the time he should be expanding his coalition by putting household names of polarizing figures like ted cruz and tom cotton on his list he'll have the exact opposite effect. i think this will do more to

galvanize democrats and left leaning independents than it will have a net positive effect for him among his base. previously in the past with supreme court nominees they like to keep their cards close to the vest. they like to defer rather than answer questions on key issues like abortion and aca but with ted cruz and tom cotton there is no mystery about their positions on these issues. tom cotton tweeted out he wants to get rid of row v. wade after he was included on the list. that message will not sit well with other republicans running in senate races and now have to answer for whether they would support people like ted cruz. >> the other thing i thought was interesting was the day he released the list it just happened to be the same day that they released the audiotapes of bob woodward. do you think this was more of a bait and switch? >> well, he was planning to do this anyway. the exact timing might have been sped up to try to eclipse the bad news cycle. they were planning to do this in

general. i think donald trump is missing the both here. the situation has changed vastly since 2016. that is to say democratic voters prioritize the supreme court as an issue much more now than in 2016. in 2016 this was really an all gain and no pain move for donald trump. he could rally his base and not worry about any backlash among democrats because historically democratic voters have not prioritized the supreme court and we've lived to regret it. now poll after poll from pew and morning consult and krn, three polls in the last month alone have shown democratic voters more so than republican voters are saying the supreme court will be a very important issue in the election. the health concerns about ruth bader ginsburg, lingering impact of brett kavanaugh's bruising confirmation battle in 2018 are creating an effect where democratic voters may go to the polls with the supreme court in mind more so than trump supporters. >> in the absence of getting any legislation passed in congress we are seeing the supreme court finding themselves deciding really big policy decisions.

can you speak a little bit to that? >> absolutely. the supreme court frankly has just become too powerful. there was some reporting at the end of this term in june about -- there were some surprise verdicts from the supreme court because john roberts sided with the liberals in a handful of cases and that created a few news cycles suggesting maybe the court is not as conservative as people think. look at the rulings coming out in state after state when it comes to voting rights issues. you see all kinds of efforts in states to try to expand the franchise and give people an opportunity to vote by mail and the supreme court is time after time striking down efforts to expand the vote. john roberts is joining with the conservatives on the 5-4 rulings. i think that is going to make the supreme court an even more political issue in the weeks to come. >> thanks so much for your time. that is all the time i have for tonight. i'll see you back tomorrow here at 6:00 p.m. eastern. joshua johnson takes over the top of the hour. he'll talk with congresswoman

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hey there. i'm joshua johnson. from nbc news world headquarters in new york. the election is 52 days away. new polling out today shows joe biden leading in four battleground states but most of

those leads are within the margin of