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i'm richard lui. thanks for spending your sunday afternoon with us. happening this hour, the fire storm sweeping the west coast. more than 30 people now confirmed dead this hour. dozens of others remaining missesing. firefighters working around the clock battling the out of control flames. president trump trying to flip a state that's not voted for a republican president since 2004. his message to a critical voting block on the campaign trail. it's game day in america. the first sunday of the nfl season during the coronavirus pandemic. the major changes now in effect for players and for fans as well. we'll start this hour with some breaking news. a wile fire cry issuisis on the coast continues on a sunday. 33 people now dead and donzs are still missing as the fire zone continues the grow in the west. california, oregon, washington state, all fighting to desperately quell the flames. the fires have now burned an
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area the size of new jersey. more than 3.1 million acres of land have burned in california just this year. the august complex fire is the largest in state history. with us now, nbc scott cohen in butte county, california by the north complex fire. we spoke yesterday. what has changed in last 24 hours? >> reporter: we're still waiting to see about the weather. up with of the tragic things that changed about this north complex fire is we got word of three additional dead. 12 people, of the 33 people that you said have died in all of these fires in the west, nearly a third of them here in this north complex fire. just to give you a little bit of orientation, the august complex, which as you mentioned is the largest in state history, that's west of here. that's 877,000 acres.
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roughly the siefz tze of the gr c c yan. it's a massive fire in actually three different zones and to further give you a sense of perspective, the north zone of this fire, they are trying to steer the fire into the scar from the campfire in paradise from two years ago. gives you a sense of just how pervasive wildfires are becoming in the west. pervasive and destructive. >> we do have a structure that's not been prepped. fires backing down the hill now. it's exactly what we want. we'll go ahead and both crews are cutting lines around the structure defense. fire still burning. we do have a spot across the road which is not what we wanted.
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we're keeping the fire down. >> that situation with the smoke is something we're watching sloesly. it's still as you can see very smoky here. the weather pattern is changing. the winds are kicking up. that's good for the air quality but it is not good when it comes to the fires. >> scott, thank you for the latest there in california. appreciate that. president trump is in las vegas today. his second stop on the tour this weekend. on satsds he was in the small town of minden, nevada after planes. reno had to be scrapped because of covid concerns. he repeated his baseless tlam claims that democrats plan to cheat in november. >> now i can be really vicious and we'll start by say iing tha they're trying to rig this election. it's the only way they will win.
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>> joining us now, vaughn hilliard live in las vegas. the president will be coming back. what's the plan? >> reporter: the president is in las vegas today. he is holding a round table of what he's calling latinos for trump before heading to into the suburbs of las vegas. you hear him say it's a rigged election. it's only the way we're going the lose. he's taking aim at the democratic governor suggesting that millions of ballots have been entrusted into his hands
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and he's not to be trusted. this is a twofold campaign. he spoke for 90 minutes last night. there's very little policy. only one minute worth of discussion about the wildfires that are ravaging across 12 states. this is classic what you could call donald trump. we're 51 days away from election day. take a listen to him last night. >> nobody wants to go. this is a guy that we're entrusting with millions of ballots, millions and millions and we're supposed to win these states. >> reporter: suggesting you don't have to have an authorized signature which is completely
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false. that is why this counting process is expected to take a while in states like nevada here. there is a signature verification process in which they go and match signatures on those mail in ballots to those within the state database. the second part is what you heard him mocking joe biden for holding these socially distanced smaller campaign events. you saw him have thousands of maskless individuals gathered together. this is a president here who is essentially doing exactly what he did on those audio tapes this spring with bob woodward when he said, he would play it down. meaning the severity, the potential impact of the coronavirus. you saw him gather thousands, still together despite anthony fauci just the day prior going onto television and saying himself that this is not a time for folks to not take this seriously.
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>> we know that we have work to do. we have said from the beginning and vice president biden has been very clear about this as has senator harris that we're really working to earn every single vote in this country. we want to earn the votes of the latino and hispanic community. we're doing the work, george. >> jowhat is the latest from th biden campaign in terms houf th -- of how they are answering to what the trump campaign has been sailing? >> reporter: you can hear from the biden/harris ticket an emphasis in recent weeks on how the latino community has been impact by the pan demonstrate
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basic. you look at numbers in terms of who has been impacted, it's been a disproportionate impact on communities of color and the latino community who you look at how the economy has impacted the communities. also disproportionately impacted there. the message that the biden/harris ticket has been trying to push with these latino communities in various states like arizona, like florida, like nevada, like vaughn was just talking about, you see this message about the pandemic and how joe biden and kamala harris will handle it should they be elected. that's the message they are taking forward. kamala harris did an interview with the telemundo station yesterday in arizona. listen to what he said about this. >> this is the bottom line. joe and i are committed to fighting for immigrants, to fighting for working people, to fighting to build back better. donald trump has spent full time trying to sow hate and division. he has spent so much time being
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more concerned about the stock market than he is the corner market and supporting the people who run small businesses. he's been quite weak in terms of what we need in a leader which is to protect the people and support them. >> reporter: you hear a couple of things to point out. we saw a poll yesterday. the new york times poll pointing out that voters felt that joe biden did better on issues when it comes to handling pandemic and it comes to handling issues over race and the protests that he with have seen over the summer. it's interesting to see kamala harris talking about how trump has sewn late and division in the country. she's trying to pull a bit oen this economic crisis as well and show that joe biden and herself could handle this effectively should they be elected. richard. >> all right. thau thank you so much for your reporting.
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president trump spent much of the weekend defending his remarks on the coronavirus that showed he intentionally played down the seriousness. the president doubled down on talking point that was refuted friday. >> think about it, having vaccine is good. we're rounding the urn. it's happening. it's happening. you see. >> now, here is biden's running mate kamala harris speaking with telemundo. >> i don't think we can trust anything donald trump says. he's more concerned with protecting himself than protecting the american people. the president of the united states has one job as the highest priority, which is to keep the people safe. he has failed to do that. >> joining us right now, former florida congressman david jolly. national chairman of the serve america movement.
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alaina beverly. is this one different, what we have reporting from bob woodward, the president on tape? >> i think this is more damning because it demonstrates what we already know, which is that he mishandled this pan demonstrate basic and -- pandemic and put our lives at risk. it shows donald trump not caring for any of our lives. this is one more piece of evidence proving that donald
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trump mismanaged all of our lives when it comes to this pandemic and also has an effect on the economy and those will be two primary issues that voters decide upon for this upcoming election. >> a criticism of the trump campaign. daif david, we look at criticism of the biden campaign, why isn't he out on the trail this weekend? >> in large part because joe biden is doing the responsible thing. if you consider as vaughn said what donald trump did at this super spreader rally he held was affirm the reporting in bob woodward's book. he's playing it down in word indeed. joe biden is trying the lead by example is the case he would make for why he's not out holding rallies. at the same time he's sitting on the lead. it's donald trump that needs to create the momentum. i think you'll see biden and harris be very surgical in their
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strategy. just as you played senator harris speaking to his panic or cuban population, they will begin to address both issues and demographics they need to hold and the ourn out in november. beyond that, it's donald trump who is the candidate with desperation. it's not joe biden. he's playing hold serve at this point. >> as you heard the criticism coming from the trump campaign against the biden campaign and that is he's in his basement. he's slow and terms of the intensity, president trump saying the gloves are off now. i'm going after him and it's not going to be good, is what he's saying. >> that's right. he's also going after mail in voting and attacking mail in voting at every opportunity. he even did so in nevada this weekend. he is criticizing joe biden for being realistic and being safe in regards to how he's campaigning but the way the democrats are promoting mail in
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voting and early voting as a safe, effective way of participating in our democracy this go around. by contrast, trump's campaign is pushing for his supporters to vote on election day, in part to ensure he can undermine the result of the election if on election night there is an overwhelming showing of support for him but mail in votes are still being counted. he's using this as an opportunity to undermine the results of the election. he is really a tail of two turn out strategies here. one donald trump's campaign saying every one vote on election day regardless of what type of risk that might be to your health. what it might mean for long lives and what it might mean for congestion on election day. the democrats and the biden/harris campaign urge voters to vote however they can, safely and early, if possible.
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>> david, let's talk about state you know well. florida and we had a couple of data points come out within the last week which you have been watching. not only the political report ticking it slightly to the right, we have the latino vote at the momentum at 50% and the latest nbc news poll and when you look at that, then $100 million coming from michael bloomberg, where is florida going. >> florida is a 50/50 state. democrats are continued the try to flip the script there but they come up a few points short. it's only a few points. michael bloomberg putting $100 million in for context, $100 million is what an entire statewide race costs.
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bloomberg is funding the entire biden operation in florida to try to put him over the top. the his panic demographic is not monolithic. republicans over perform with that part of the hispanic population. >> i would say within that group there's variance by age and generation. i think you'll see the biden campaign focusing on the younger generation and reaching out to them. >> all right. thank you so much. have a great sunday. coming up, it's the first nfl sunday during the pandemic. the big changes fans can expect on and off the field.
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justice system. nora d, annehy resigned a she i worried that bill barr is pressing to speed up the report before election day. the doj filed documents to represent president trump in a defamation lawsuit brought by e jean carol who said that president trump sexually asauled her in the mid-19990s. let's bring in joe winebanks. msnbc kribtser. -- kribcontributor. how would that work? >> you have named so many issues that show that bill barr is leading a department of injustice. not a department of justice.
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the idea he would be seeking to represent the president in a case brought by e. jean carol is something that does not pass the red face test. you cannot claim that the president was acting in his official capacity as the president, when he denied knowing her. the durham report is an outrage as well. first of all, bill barr was very active in that. he actually interviewed people. that's unusual. more importantly, in a normal department of justice case. you investigate in secret and then you either indict or you never say anything. the idea you would issue an interim report is beyond belief. there is no such thing and it violates everything and we're within 60 days of an election and the department of justice policy is within 60 days of an
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election, you do nothing that might influence the election. we should have learned that from what comey did four years ago. i hope that american people will not accept this outrage in terms of how the department of justice is run. >> as you look at what may or may not be coming out within the magical 60 days in terms of from this department of justice, what are you hearing in terms of what might happen here? >> what a lot of people are waiting for is a real fight over whether or not the durham invets gags co -- investigation comes up with some kind of report that's short of a final report. that would be highly unusual in the least.
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there are clear signs of pressure within that investigation and the resignation is widely interpreted as having been because she feared there was internal political pressure either to speed up the investigation or to come to particular conclusions, we don't know. either way, she's a veteran, federal prosecutor who had worked for durham for decades and was recruited by him to come in and help in this investigation. she walked out on thursday night saying as the hartford current reports her note didn't say why she was leaving. only she was sorry to do so. >> jill, do you expect to see some sort of interim report? >> i think if we can judge on
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barr's behavior, lafayette square where he violated what she should have been doing and this recent thing with the federal tort's claim act being invoked but yes. he will pressure people to do it. we also have the resignation of someone from a presidential commission saying they aren't really trying to find the truth. that happened this week also. yes, there might be. it would be completely wrong but that hasn't stopped the trump administration or william barr, the attorney general from taking those actions. i fear that they might do something. they should have learned from the past and americans should not pay attention to something
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that will come out, possibly making accusations that cannot be rebutted in the next month. it takes longer than that. it's unfair to do that. sgr what the wo >> what's the word in term of morale? >> they describe the situation of low morale and great concern among career prosecutors and investigators. the fbi and in the federal prosecutor's offices at the justice department. he was a long time washington
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fixture, widely respected, clearly a partisan republican lawyer but a widely respected one and his entry into the justice department was seen originally as potentially not such a bad thing. maybe a good thing. he knows how the place is run and could do so professionally but there is a widespread sense, certainly within the justice department but also among congressional democrats and elsewhere that he's run the place in a very partisan fashion. >> all right. thank you so much for your perspective and expertise. up next, armed malitia group clashes with protesters. why what we're seeing now may be a sign of things to come. seeine a sign of things to come
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well. most have been there patrolling the areas and clashing with demonstrators. the movement has grown during the trump years empower bid the president's law and order rhetoric. what is driving the movement remains murky. a recent piece sheds some light on the inner workings of armed groups and explains why we may see more of it in future. the authors of that report. thank you both for being here. what is the malitia movement as you have defined it in your report and investigative reporting? >> one of the challenges here is when we talk about malitia, we're not talking about one thing. we're talking about groups that are very organized that have hierarchies and have dues and
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trainings. we're also talking about people organizing entirely online. people who don't know each other. may never have met in person. may not have a tie to a specific group but still when there's this sense that they need to show up, perhaps to one of these protests, they will appear with heavily armed and that's one of the challenges here. the main thing that they do have in common is a strong sense of pro-individual rights and a pro-gun rights ideology. they might not have much else in common. it's hard to define what these groups are and their motivations may be very different. >> let's dig into that. if they are called to arrive, what is the purpose that they are trying to realize when they get there and they are driven, in your report here, they are
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driven by causes more than brands or groups. >> right. one of the things that the researchers who have been studying malitia movements that ties these groups together is their belief they are the people that can save their community. that can help their community and they are the only ones left who can. they are looking at these situations where there's a protest, where there's riot and they are sort of designating themselves as the saviors of the community. >> do they have any connection or coordination here at all with law enforcement or political groups? are they purely operating by themselves? >> they are generally operating by themselves. this can be hard to tell just the way they organize can be hard to track. a lot of it happens online. facebook event will sort of appear and disappear 12 hours later. this is one of the mysteries of these groups. another challenge is that their
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ideologies aren't consistent as i just mentioned. some of these folks who show up may be pro-police. some of them are anti-police. >> how many are there? give me a sense here of how many, where they are at in the country and you're laughing though. i see beth you have laughing. >> i'm laughing because it's not a thing you can count that way. up with of things that come up a lot is antifa is not a group. there are some organized malitia movements that are like the boy scouts with big guns but there's a lot of people that kind of identify with this idea of gun rights and the idea of being the people that can save the community and they count as malitia but they are also not a group. they are not somebody that like organizing plans, necessarily as
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much as like responding to what other people who share the same ideas suggest they should do it. >> without even knowing what the criteria would be here, are there good malitias and are their bad malitias? >> i don't think those are labels that we can apply. there are malitias that will say no. we're not part of the white power movement. we're just anti-government. that doesn't mean they are individual members don't hold racist view s, perhaps. they are not motivated by that ideology. i think the lack of ideological
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ties is one of the things that make it hard to categorize whether the groups are good or bad. >> very quickly here. ethnic diversity within the groups. they have been around since the '80s? quickly. >> these are white suburban, ex-urban people. they are not generally speaking anything other than that. at least that tends to be the majority. >> really come peming piece if you can see it on 538 for our viewers out there. do read through it. you can hit a lot of interesting points. thank you so much. coming up, a look at the coronavirus pandemic is fueling nationwide food crisis. next weekend, we're expanding our sad and sunday coverage as well. we want to let you know about that. sharp no-nonsense approach to news based on her years of international reporting.
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they've been told that if you come into a low income neighborhood, you're not going to make money. >> in this era where covid-19 is disproportion nagtionately affe brown and black people, is there food vablts and this increased propensity to be affected by covid. >> most of the people especially in my neighborhood are bound by a food system that is charity based and subsidized based. a lot of the cheap food comes into our neighborhood. >> joining us now, andrew zimmer. great to see you. what surprised you in doing this episode, this special? >> i think the biggest surprise wasn't so much one that i had living in this food world for as
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long as i had and being on msnbc and reporting on this since march. i think maybe the surprise will be for the viewer to see that not only have the stories on the front page of the newspapers and the a block of the evening news about covid-19 affecting our food supply, hunger in america and the closure of restaurants, not only are the stories still around, the trouble has trebled. the need has gotten more intense and as you heard karen washington say to joy, the c-19 pandemic along with the cultural pandemic that we're enduring as well right now has ripped off the covering on so many of these issue. what we found is that since april, they've gotten worse without a solution in sight.
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we're in desperate need of federal leadership. >> if you had to describe a food desert, what am i looking for? what are the indicationing of something going bad? >> fresh wholesome food available within a mile of your residence means you're not in a food desert. what we define as wholesome food has changed in this country. a greater degree of americans every single year find themselves further and further away from soup markets as more superer markets close and more dollar stores move in. they don't offer fresh fruits, fresh venn tabgetables and meat. they have a freezer section as the unhealthy foods we don't want people to eat. the biggest take away is to remember we have two food americas. eating well in america is a class issue. we just had 20 to 30% of
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american who is were living just above that poverty line bounce down below it because the unemployment numbers are still high and those monthly checks have gotten smaller and you can keep going on and on and on with all the economic inequities and adversely affecting people of color. >> i've heard of some restaurants when they had to be closed, they were just putting meals together and trying to infuse into these spaces that we're calling food deserts. tell me about something inspiring of group, an organization, a restaurant that is doing something to stop this problem. >> there's so many. the restaurants industry has always been the first respond enwhen it comes to helping out. food people were on the ground at 9/11. they were on the ground in all the hurricanes and earthquakes and other national disasters, natural disasters that he we had. food people just started
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pivoting immediately. they said we have got a space. there are hundred people so they started offering meal boxes. they started offering grocery items in neighborhoods that didn't have access because the restaurants had the accounts the bring the fresh food in. by may, we saw that the fru vegetable had fixed their distribution issues so those restaurants pivoted heavily into restaurants and take out options. restaurants can't survive on 25, 40, 50% of past revenues given the business models that they started before covid and so the restaurants act, something that people can no go look at saverestaurants.com and sign on and learn about. we talk about this in our spesh tonight. we have to pass the restaurants act on capital hill in washington, d.c. restaurants represent almost 5% of gdp.
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we can't allow 14 million restaurant employees the say unemployed. >> andrew zimmer, looking forward to tonight's special. always like watching you and you do bring the message across to so many people across america. you enjoy tonight on our special. thanks again. 11:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. up next, football is back in a big way. what fans can expect from the first sunday of the nfl season in the era of covid. e nfl season in the era of covid. introducing stocks by the slice from fidelity. now you can trade stocks and etfs for any amount you choose instead of buying by the share. all with no commissions. stocks by the slice from fidelity. get your slice today. stocks by the slice from fidelity. verizon knows how to build unlimited right. start with america's most awarded network. i'm on my phone 24/7. then for the first time ever, include disney+, hulu and espn+. we're a big soccer family. "handmaid's tale ." i love "frozen ".
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the names of breonna taylor, george floyd, ahmaud arbery, trayvon martin and others. when asked about the meaning behind her masks, she responded with a question of her own. >> what was the message that you got? was more of the question. i feel like the point is to make people start talking. >> osaka is now the first women's player in more than a decade to win three majors before her 23rd birthday. still on sports, big 10 college football may be making a comeback. they are considering playing a fool football season after all. it could start as soon as a month from now. the associated press reports the availability of rapid daily covid-19 testing. the conferences faced pushback including some from president trump since it decided to postpone the season over concerns about playing through the pandemic.
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pro football off and running. today is the first nfl sunday of the season, but it's going to be a little different this year, as you can probably imagine. in jacksonville,villevil florid people are considering going or looking at what's going on here, gary, what are the safety precautions? >> today was a big win for the jaguars on the field and in the stands where they say about 14,000 tickets were sold to today's game. i took a walk inside to check out what it was like to be a fan in today's game. when you walk in, there is magnatometers. and when it gets to the seating, everything is spread out. there is six feet at least between any group of people in the stands and there is tip ties on seats you cannot sit in.
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i talked to a number of fans about their thoughts. here is what they had to say. >> well, we're going to be here. we're huge jaguar fans. we have never missed a game in 20-something years since we've been in jacksonville. we had to move our seats around and they're really keeping people apart in the stadium. >> i like the way they did the spacing and the rules they have inside, so i feel really good about it. i'm a nurse so i'm aware of stuff. >> there were options for fans that did want to stay home and watch it on tv. you could have the fun of a jumbotron from home. you could participate in the trivia games and even get a free t-shirt out of the deal. >> what about services? we all like buying a good hamburger, cheeseburger. what do they got? >> lots of hot dogs, lots of pretzels. not every stand was open because
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they did move some people around in terms of staffing. there is a lot more folks making sure people are wearing masks and walking around. but it was very successful in terms of the number of people i saw wearing masks. it is required inside the sa stadium to wear masks. officials tell me it could be a win for everyone if they keep wearing masks. >> it's going to be a lot of fun. everybody is looking forward to it. the nfl season getting going on this sunday. that's all the time i've got for you this hour. the reverend al sharp ton takes over on the top of the hour next on "politics nation." thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body,
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and despite the fact that the smoke from those fires was detectable even at his rally, the president's only mention of the spreading infernos came during this strange rambling aside. >> tonight our hearts are with all of the communities in the west battling devastating wild fires. i'm going there the day after tomorrow. i'm staying in your state tonight, but i'm going to be going to california. spoke to the folks in oregon, washington. they have never had anything like this. but, you know, it is about forest management. please remember the words, very simple, forest management. >> the president's explanation for the wild fire is nonsensible at best and an outright lie at best. experts agree that the severity
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